[00:13] what's the cross-platform story for ubuntu-thingies and non-ubuntu-thingies apps? [00:13] it seems the only solution is "cordova" [00:14] qt would be ideal except that ubuntu has components unique to ubuntu and you need to use those to get the ubuntu look-n-feel while on other platforms you just use skinned variations of the same component set (as far as I can see) [00:15] s/the same/a single/ [00:16] e.g. I want to target both windows and ubuntu - so how would I build a qml frontend for that? [00:17] qml is horrible for "actual" windows [00:18] Qt is a huge mess of dependencies and libs [00:18] "actual" windows? [00:18] a in desktop yes [00:19] the best cross platform library is SDL2 by about a million miles [00:19] but of course it doesn't do guis [00:20] so almost certainly not what you want for apps [00:21] what most people do is write a core library, which is either a C++ library or a web API, and then make an app around it unique for each platform [00:23] so you have a few choices for how to make a "killer" app [00:24] you can make something which is effectively a webpage in an app. requires that you have access to data people can't get any other way [00:24] or you can write a game [00:24] I'm not sure I get what you mean with "requires that you have access to data people can't get any other way" [00:25] for example all the london tube apps [00:25] the only alternative is to try to use the tfl webpage and that's just a joke [00:26] although that's a bad example because the data apis are public so there's already like a million of those apps [00:28] last time i checked, Qt for android will increase the size of your apk by about 75mb [00:28] and pretty much the same on windows [00:29] in comparison, gstreamer is 12mb and SDL is about 2mb [00:30] ouch [00:30] it's actually a big problem for Qt that nobody uses it by default [00:30] except for... maemo and symbian... both dead [00:31] and jolla/sailfish and ubuntu, both not mainstream [00:31] because Qt is really a huge download if you don't already have it in your OS [00:31] and people hate that [00:32] sucky nuts [00:32] they *might* have fixed this somewhat with Qt 5 [00:32] but... my expectations are low at this point [00:47] eww - the formatting on the subpages of this page is/are evil https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/apps/html5/sdk-15.04/ContentHub/ [00:47] very difficult to scan those pages without reading intently [00:48] e.g. "parameters" pops out several times as a section title as though that is more important than the actual function name [00:50] the vertical spacing is all wonky too - text runs-on like "destroys the remote object. this proxy object is not valid anymore.\ndirection(callback)" [00:50] the \n is newline [00:51] so is that sentence describing the direction(callback) bit or the bit before it with a much larger gap [00:52] seems other parts of the html5 docs are all the same, in these regards [00:53] huh. that is indeed butt-ugly [00:54] this is a good example: https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/apps/html5/sdk-15.04/UbuntuUI.Dialog/ [00:54] scroll down to the "show()" line [00:54] Hide a dialog by removing 'active' class [00:54] show( ) [00:54] nice, we use "show()" to hide? [00:57] the qml docs seem nicely formatted. so it's just the html5 side that's rather eye-raping [00:57] I was going to say it's interesting that the qml docs get it right, but they're using table-abuse instead, which I can't condone either [00:57] grr [00:58] it's actually quite funny. eg, https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/apps/qml/sdk-15.04/QtQuick.Drag/#dragStarted-signal [00:58] oh god, the markup of the qml docs is evil [00:58] each one of those grey boxes they're using as a heading, is a table [00:59] a table containing a single cell in a single row [00:59] jee [00:59] zus [01:00] well, we know what you're doing tonight :) I expect patches by the morning! [01:00] :D [01:00] I'm expecting they're generated somehow. so to patch it I need to figure out how they're generated [01:04] https://code.launchpad.net/~developer-ubuntu-com-dev/developer-ubuntu-com/django-cms [01:07] looks convincing, since the qdoc.css the qml docs use, is in http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~developer-ubuntu-com-dev/developer-ubuntu-com/django-cms/files/head:/api_docs/static/api_docs/css/ [01:08] if not, it at least give away which team you need to go offer your bod^H^H^Hservices to [01:09] (also, I'm in southampton on thursday) [01:10] woo [01:10] I know. I pick some exotic spots for summer holidays :) [01:11] could be worse, you could go wave at my old stomping grounds in Portsmouth [01:12] http://www.macrumors.com/2015/07/31/ibm-200k-macs/ [01:12] IBM in Apple move shocker o0 [01:14] they must have read that article about putting them in racks [01:15] kinda weird to picture them moving away from thinkpads though [01:16] indeed [01:16] shows what Lenovo did with it perhaps [01:16] or more just their partnership growing [01:29] intersting that for all the rage ryanair get, I actually have more frustration with other airlines [01:30] ryanair will let me checkin up to 30 days before a flight. flybe, 36 hours. so on wednesday I have to make a trip to the office on my day off, just to borrow their printer [03:34] hi n [03:48] wut q [03:59] think il watch mr robot:) [05:20] anyone been watching humans chan4? [05:23] morning [05:24] morn;] [05:24] hey mappps , havent watched humans yet. Still on House of cards and Broadchurch [05:25] ahh never seen either always mant to broadchurch as bbc right? [05:25] hoc netflix? [05:25] its on netflix now, we watched the first season on the Bbc [05:27] oh [05:27] broadcurch was bbc ..uk sho yea? [05:27] show [05:28] correct [05:28] the american version sux [05:30] ah didnt know there were 2 [05:33] some lame american spinoff they did of season 1 . [05:33] how often are remakes good? [05:35] not too often [05:35] https://www.youtube.com/user/TheRealHustleA3M/playlists [05:36] ah :) interesting material for my social engineering course :) [06:02] on ep2 atm of humans..seems decent [06:02] did anyone watch that misfts another one i should watch someday [07:44] hmm [08:10] Morning all [08:11] mornin davmor2 [08:14] morning head songs updated and I hate Tait I am likely to travel to Derby soon to beat him mercilessly for todays song [08:19] the birdie song? [08:33] Good morning peeps :) [08:34] hey bigcalm zmoylan-pi [08:34] o/ [08:35] * knightwise is doing some remote Rsync backups to his pi [08:35] * zmoylan-pi is testing my pillow for snooze compatibility... [08:37] zmoylan-pi: you lucky bugger [08:38] bank holiday in ireland. [08:39] true [08:39] what holiday is this ? [08:40] the it's the last chance of a bit of sunshine in ireland before the 13 month rainy season kicks off holiday [08:40] forecast is a weather warning for wind and rain [08:44] knightwise: it's Ireland, It's get drunk day [08:46] no it's sunday 2 so you can sober up for tuesday... [08:50] zmoylan-pi: ah today is sober up from being drunk day fair enough [08:52] popey: oh by the way todays morning head song your fault too, you and JamesTait [08:54] popey: although it is mostly Will Farrell faulty https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvRypx1lbR4 [09:00] morning boys and girls. [09:10] hey brobostigon [09:11] hi knightwise [09:21] my win7 install isn't offering me a win10 [09:23] foobarry must be on the naughty list... :-) [09:25] Good morning all; happy Monday and happy Watermelon Day! 😃 [09:31] JamesTait: for your day https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAO9Vg3wQso for manday fun https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLBSoC_2IY8 and I hate you popey and will farrell for this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvRypx1lbR4 that got stuck in my head this morning [10:15] JamesTait: did you like that :) [10:16] davmor2, the watermelon one melted my brain. I haven't watched the other two, I have work to do! 😝 === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [13:11] https://www.facebook.com/Vocativ/videos/vb.368307893181452/1047699621908939/?type=2&theater [13:11] cool vehicle [13:13] another bad start to the da [13:13] day [13:29] Yuck how i hate this weather [13:29] i slept badly 9-3p waking up every hr; [13:29] ;p [13:29] not even hot for here [15:19] this looks intriguing: https://github.com/yaronn/wopr [15:19] joshua [15:19] barry [15:27] dan [15:30] dan [15:31] dan! [15:33] desperate dan the cowpie man? :-) [15:33] i have literally no idea what is happening [15:34] Wouldn't you rather play a nice game of chess [15:34] no i'd like to play thermonuclear war [15:35] i should have clicked the link [15:36] zmoylan-pi: http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/LocationPhotoDirectLink-g187065-d1077385-i39205908-Mad_O_Rourkes_Pie_Factory-Dudley_West_Midlands_England.html [16:48] so this is in my town http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33762806 [16:49] :S [16:56] oh i didn't know Cilla Black died === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g|EOD [17:08] MartijnVdS: found the video of that :S https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHlfK0Ed8Zk [17:09] daftykins: yeah, that was on national TV there's one from the other side as well (with a very screamy young lady) [17:09] :S [17:56] for anyone who has an XPS13 : Bios A05 is out! [17:56] some guy was claiming Dell have stopped selling the developer edition o0 [17:56] nah [17:56] they temporarily withrew it [17:56] hrmm, any clue why ? [17:56] to integrate fixes into the factory [17:56] basically qa fail [17:56] ah [17:57] is that why the site only says 'get pricing' now? [17:57] dell has qa?? [17:57] * knightwise is still pretty happy with his [17:57] popey: oi leave us out of it nothing to do with us ;) [17:57] I didn't say it was :þ [17:57] who is 'us' o0 [17:57] he works in qa [17:57] (apparently) [17:58] oic [17:59] rare replay out tomorrow. exciting game launch! [17:59] no goldeneye :( [17:59] popey: licensing for that one was basically impossible [18:00] shame [18:00] donkey kong games also absent. nintendo has all the rights for those [18:01] still, viva pinata is amazing [18:01] and the less-censored n64 version of conker's bad fur day [18:01] and blast corps! blast corps is amazing [18:02] :) [18:02] 3pm tomorrow for the xbox gamescom event i believe [18:11] won't be watching. too busy playing blast corps! [18:11] apparently the worst thing by a wide margin in rare replay is the controls for jet force gemini being staggeringly awful [18:30] battletoads :) [18:30] popey: it has perfect dark, that's basically the same game as goldeneye [18:31] blst corps? [18:41] just got my blu ray semi-usable an I must say as a non-film watcher, DVD sucks for quality and blu-ray blew me away (that almost rhymes), not blur(a)y at all [18:43] i watch most tv shows on a 7" tablet so blu ray is wasted on me. most of the films i buy are ancient so will have no benefit on blu ray. my eye sight sucks so 50"+ screen is wasted on me. [18:43] ymmv [18:44] knightwise: does it matter which XPS13? [18:45] Well, i won't be watching too many movies so in that respect, it is wasted on me however for the first time in 3~4yrs (I forget), I can see the benefits of my23.5" IPS display [18:45] I don't watch TV either [18:46] spain time [18:47] going to chinese all you can et and drink [18:47] 20 euros;D [19:02] o0 [19:09] mapito: blast corps was an interesting and unique n64 game [19:13] http://i.imgur.com/H3V0nTi.png [19:15] out of accelerometer, gyro, compass, which one would you think would be most affected by EM interference? [19:16] compass [19:16] that's what i thought too [19:16] but it turns out the answer is accelerometer [19:16] gyro should be the most stable [19:16] surely they have very different assembly [19:16] daftykins: they are all mems - they're all in one chip [19:17] anyway in the graph blue is compass, green in gyro and red is accelerometer [19:17] and black is motor speed [19:18] i suppose the accelerometer could be picking up vibration [19:18] yes it could [19:19] the wheels aren't actually touching the ground though [19:19] you should test it with an em source that isn't moving [19:19] indeed [19:19] i dunno if i have one though [19:20] ah i know [19:22] hmm okay that sent the compass off the chart [19:22] and nothing from the others [19:50] cool found an ssh client for Firefox :) [19:52] * zmoylan-pi has ssh client on java phone :-) [19:53] i even found a vnc client but haven't tested it yet [19:58] http://a.uguu.se/rzdrhe.png [20:00] daftykins: btw, "fixed" my "no audio on nvidia" issue on windows 10 [20:01] by removing the dvi cable and using hdmi [20:03] https://twitter.com/angryearthling/status/617691779622637568/photo/1 [20:04] retro [20:05] is that an E61? They were cool [20:05] wait, no [20:06] indestructible with great battery life and does ereader, mp3s, radio, web, rss, irc, email and more. nokia asha 302. dumbphone with wifi [20:06] The E71 is the one I was thinking of [20:06] popey: you know when you say fixed? worked around might be a better term ;) [20:07] hence the quotes around it [20:08] popey: with all the steam games coming to linux now surely the real fix is to install steamos on that box and be done right :D [20:09] sadly not [20:09] evening [20:10] hi [20:10] hello czajkowski bittin [20:10] * zmoylan-pi waves from the land of supermacs... :-p [20:10] gettings czajkowski [20:10] and indeed greetings [20:11] davmor2: i have ~220 games in steam, "only" ~148 are Linux compatible. [20:11] popey: hahahaha [20:11] mgdm: do you work for netgear then? [20:11] shhh [20:11] popey: heh, no... [20:12] popey: why are you czajkowski bitten ;) [20:15] popey: heh, HDMI definitely wins :> [20:15] zmoylan-pi: tease! [20:15] annoying as it worked fine for a few days then just stopped [20:16] ah well, there was a time when i didn't believe DVI could carry audio too [20:16] some day they may win their case against mcdonalds and set up in uk [20:16] http://www.thejournal.ie/minion-santry-2250639-Aug2015/ I don't care how off-topic this is, dublin's hilarious [20:17] I really, really want to hear that 999 call [20:18] \o/ hcf [20:18] hebridean celtic festival? [20:19] Halt & Catch Fire [20:19] ahhh - seen that on $video_service, any good? [20:20] very [20:20] binge watched the entire season 1 [20:22] didn't think much of it [20:22] loved mad men not a fan of hcf [20:23] I loved the first season. the second is watchable but not quite grabbing me the same way [20:23] yeah, not seen much of s2 yet [20:24] i have heard a lot of people rave about it so maybe i should try it again [20:28] Hmm, mad men - watched about 10 episodes of it and gave up [21:02] shauno: lmao [21:02] the photos are required to fully appeciate the hilarity [21:03] be glad it wasn't the states were you'd have gun happy cops taking out a cartoon character... [21:05] "city police officials are once again warning residents not to shoot at the craft for fear of inadvertainly inciting an interstellar war" (I think that's the correct quote) [21:05] if you're in UK and in the market for a new Dyson, may I warmly recommend the Dyson Outlet on eBay. We scored a cylinder Cinetic Animal Exclusive for 250, got extra bits that neither Dyson.co.uk or Tesco Direct has in their £450-£460 bundles with the same machine. [21:07] same warranty, and from the looks of things the eBay shop is genuinely run by Dyson. [21:08] nifty [21:08] http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/111647436930 [21:09] ordered it on Saturday afternoon and it came by Parcelforce today [21:09] bit confusing that it says 'doesn't post to UK' for me o0 [21:10] heh [21:10] daftykins: but you're not in the uk [21:11] works great with lots of embedded looooong hairs and wool on the carpet, I might add [21:11] more powerful than an upright and easier to carry, too. [21:11] * m0nkey_ sighs: Postage: Doesn't post to Canada [21:11] aww :-( [21:12] diddledan: i am when it suits us [21:12] ok, i need a cheap flight to the uk... [21:13] * zmoylan-pi looks at wind outside... open an umbrella? :-p [21:13] cheapest I can find is $1050, direct. [21:15] m0nkey_: apparently it's cheaper to use france [21:15] m0nkey_: fly to france then train to the uk [21:15] m0nkey_: although that example was based on it being cheaper to fly from france to ameriky via london than fly from london to ameriky [21:15] you probably get a discount if you're willing to be tail gunner on train... :-p [21:16] what airport in france is closest to the eurotunnel? [21:16] aren't there websites that break down those sorts of journeys? [21:16] zmoylan-pi: it's not as if any helicopters really fly through the chunnel [21:16] Is it CDG? [21:16] no idea [21:16] I'm sure I heard of one, it was compared to the current sites that do that for breaking up train journeys/tickets [21:17] diddledan, flight to CDG is $2 cheaper than flying direct to LGW [21:17] hmm [21:18] I think the taxes might be different tho [21:18] that includes taxes [21:18] gotcha [21:18] for both flights [21:18] Delta is $6 more, via AMS landing in LHR [21:18] Oh, that's a KLM flight [21:18] damn this codeshare crap [21:19] If I fly with AirTransat, that means I have to deal with their sucky on-line check-in. [21:19] (it's sucky, because I used to support it) [21:25] damn.. the Transat flight is only $450, with all the taxes and crap addded on, it's over $1000 [23:22] popey: re the matchstick that you posted a link to on twitter earlier - their original blurb seems to state "The product is fully functional today, with the hardware design final, tooling complete, and manufacturing ready to ramp up in the next 30-60 days." so I'm not understanding what the DRM problem is [23:25] for those following-on at home, the link was kickstarter.com/projects/matchstick/matchstick-the-streaming-stick-built-on-firefox-os/posts/1266549?ref=backer_project_update [23:26] following-along** [23:46] o0