[07:07] <sitter> Riddell: you forgot to unpause ci
[07:45] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:48] <sitter> Riddell: you installed a .so symlink in a bin package http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/frameworks/kglobalaccel.git/commit/?h=kubuntu_unstable&id=66d2f3a81704cb14731377199290e27e952b3961
[09:14] <sitter> Riddell: didn't we take notes at the kubuntu bof?
[09:14] <sitter> by we I mean someone other than me :P
[09:26] <sitter> Riddell: kjs might fail on i386 https://launchpadlibrarian.net/213546641/buildlog_ubuntu-wily-i386.kjs_5.12.0%2Bgit20150804.0918%2B15.10-0_BUILDING.txt.gz
[09:48] <sitter> Riddell: !!!!!!!!!
[09:49] <Riddell> morning sitter
[09:49] <sitter> Riddell: backlog plz. kubuntu bof notes
[09:49] <Riddell> looking at k3b is on my todo
[10:15] <blaze> just upgraded to wily. well, it seems that pure qt apps doesn't understand they're on kde anymore
[10:27] <soee> what ? :D
[10:30] <clivejo> ovidiu-florin: will you test digikam 4.12 on wily, its in my PPA?
[10:40] <clivejo> sick_rimmit: hi rick
[12:13] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:31] <blaze> soee: wait, i'll think how to put it in a simple way, for stupid people
[12:33] <blaze> kde file dialog is not working in qt4 apps
[12:35] <ahoneybun> add a description for your ppa clivejo :)
[13:02] <clivejo> ahoneybun: a description?
[13:02] <ahoneybun> yea tell us what is in the pppa
[13:02] <ahoneybun> I know we can look at the LP page
[13:02] <ahoneybun> but still
[13:03] <ahoneybun> I'm also installing digikam
[13:03] <ahoneybun> I see a new build of kdeconnect as well
[13:05] <clivejo> oh the kdeconnect is just an experiment
[13:05] <clivejo> it doesnt fix the file transter problem 
[13:05] <ahoneybun> well it was insatlled
[13:08] <ahoneybun> well it started  :)
[13:11] <clivejo> ahoneybun: have you a PPA?
[13:11] <ahoneybun> I have a ppa
[13:11] <clivejo> where?
[13:11] <clivejo> oh found you
[13:11] <ahoneybun> yep
[13:12] <ahoneybun> kubuntu-settings is the only useful one atm
[13:12] <clivejo> you keep a separate archive for each?
[13:13] <ahoneybun> kinda a messup on my end
[13:13]  * sitter preps CI for apps 15.08
[13:13] <sitter> Riddell: merging kubuntu_unstable into kubuntu_stable for 15.08
[13:14] <sitter> also no one volunteered to package the new kf5 packages :(
[13:14] <clivejo> ahoneybun: do you know how muon updater works?
[13:14] <clivejo> where the packaging is for it?
[13:15] <ahoneybun> nope
[13:15] <sitter> http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/plasma/muon.git/
[13:15] <clivejo> need to add a dep on python-future
[13:16] <sitter> clivejo: why?
[13:17] <ahoneybun> how do I force apt to upgrade packages?
[13:17] <ahoneybun> it sees 3 but then I run apt upgrade and it does nothing
[13:17] <clivejo> I was getting dist release updates nofications
[13:18] <sitter> that has nothing to do with python-future
[13:18] <clivejo> Im on wily and it was telling me that there was a new release
[13:18] <ahoneybun> damn it
[13:18] <clivejo> after conversation with Riddell he suggested installing python-future
[13:18] <clivejo> and the issue has been resloved
[13:19] <clivejo> muon-updater doesnt use python scripts?
[13:19] <sitter> yes it does
[13:19] <sitter> that script does not use python future though
[13:19] <clivejo> strange :/
[13:19] <sitter> not necessarily
[13:19] <clivejo> the issue has been resolved
[13:19] <sitter> if you see the bug I am thinking about it is purely timing dependent
[13:20] <sitter> so it might not appear 300 times in a row, might reappear at the 301st start though
[13:20] <clivejo> this bug was almost all the time
[13:20] <clivejo> kept displaying a nofication
[13:21]  * ahoneybun might have broken his install
[13:22] <clivejo> ahoneybun: how did you do that?!?
[13:22] <ahoneybun> I added your ppa lol
[13:22] <ahoneybun> and then removed it
[13:22] <clivejo> :O
[13:22] <ahoneybun> I removed the ppa but I can't update
[13:22] <ahoneybun> well downgrade to the official kdeconnect
[13:23] <ahoneybun> still on your version
[13:23] <sitter> clivejo: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=349787#c4
[13:23] <clivejo> ahoneybun: use ppa purge
[13:23] <ahoneybun> muon always pops up for me
[13:24] <sitter> clivejo: what you could do is remove python-future. then run /usr/share/libmuon/applicationsbackend/releasechecker see what happens if it complains about future being missing there is a bug in one of the python libraries used, if not it is simply a timing issue
[13:24] <sitter> actually, it probably is a timing issue eitherway it might jsut be that if an underlying dependency problem in python makes the python helper return quickly the condition outlined in the bug comment happens
[13:24] <clivejo> sitter: <Riddell> clivejo: what does python /usr/share/libmuon/applicationsbackend/releasechecker; echo $?  give you?
[13:25] <clivejo> it was saying "Could not load list of meta packages: No module named configparser"
[13:26] <sitter> right so it was tripping over missing deps, made the script return early, triggering the problem outlined in the comment
[13:26] <clivejo> I installed python-future and it now returns a !
[13:26] <clivejo> 1
[13:27] <sitter> not sure how future relates to configparser though :P
[13:27] <clivejo> beyond me !
[13:27] <clivejo> its magic
[13:28] <sitter> clivejo: locate configparser |grep python
[13:29] <sitter> also
[13:29] <sitter> grep -ri configparser /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/UpdateManager/
[13:30] <clivejo> https://paste.kde.org/piw9cupl5
[13:31] <clivejo> added both to that paste
[13:32] <sitter>  /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/future/moves/configparser.py
[13:32] <sitter> clivejo: I only see one in the paste
[13:32] <clivejo> reload
[13:32] <clivejo> I revised it
[13:32] <sitter> I did :(
[13:32] <sitter> clivejo: surely the revision has a new id
[13:32] <clivejo> https://paste.kde.org/pijochkul
[13:32] <clivejo> sorry sitter didnt realise that
[13:33] <sitter> righto
[13:33] <clivejo> any clues?
[13:33] <sitter> clivejo: python3-update-manager needs a dependency on python-future
[13:33] <sitter> eh
[13:33] <sitter> clivejo: python3-update-manager needs a dependency on python3-future
[13:33] <sitter> python3-future apparently contains /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/future/moves/configparser.py which is apparently used by /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/UpdateManager/Core/MetaRelease.py:    import configparser
[13:34] <clivejo> is python-future just a meta package?
[13:34] <sitter> clivejo: did you install python-future or python3-future?
[13:35] <clivejo> just python-future
[13:35] <sitter> that makes no sense now :P
[13:35]  * sitter spins up a container
[13:35] <clivejo> LOL
[13:36] <sitter> at any rate, whatever dependency it brought in... the problem is in some library not muon. muon's releasechecker only uses the UpdateManager module
[13:38] <ahoneybun> seems like a restart got it back to working order so far
[13:42] <sitter> clivejo: I can't reproduce this
[13:43] <clivejo> strange
[13:43]  * sitter purges and tries without recommends
[13:43] <clivejo> must be my install
[13:44] <sitter> clivejo: I think installing python packages sometimes compiles the modules so it doesn't have to interpret all of it all the time, perhaps something there went wrong
[13:44] <sitter> thing is.. configparser.py is also in python minimal and that should always be installed
[13:52] <sitter> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12000167/ :(
[13:54] <sitter> nope
[13:54] <sitter> clivejo: can't reproduce it
[13:54] <sitter> had minimal dep set installed, releasechecker fails as it is not critical functionality. installed python3-update-manager works as expected
[13:54] <sitter> so whatever went wrong for you it doesn't appear to be an actual problem in the packaging
[17:42] <sgclark> ugh not feeling well at all, despite 13 hours of sleep.
[17:45] <lordievader> sgclark: :(
[17:48] <clivejo> jetlag?
[17:50] <ahoneybun> sgclark: you body needs to recover from jetlag and other tihings
[17:50] <ahoneybun> *your
[17:51] <sgclark> yeah, and I ended up with sore throat and a cold :(
[17:52] <ahoneybun> oh noews
[17:54] <clivejo> probably the old stale re-circualted air on the phone
[17:54] <clivejo> plane
[17:57] <mamarley> Modern planes usually have HEPA air filtration and also quite a bit of air is brought in from outside.
[17:58] <mamarley> However, it is often very dry air, which can cause a sore throat and a runny nose.
[18:15] <Riddell> get lots of daylight to help with jet lag
[18:18]  * BluesKaj has jetlag from waking up too early these days
[18:19] <clivejo> Riddell: where have you moved to?
[18:20] <Riddell> clivejo: sunny Scotland :)
[18:20] <Riddell> it was getting too hot in Barcelona
[18:20] <clivejo> is it as wet and windy as it is in Ireland?
[18:20] <clivejo> LOL from one extreme to the other
[18:22] <clivejo> Riddell: I tried to package digiKam 4.12 and its in my PPA, will you have a look see if I done it right?
[18:31] <ahoneybun> any slow issues on Wily Riddell?
[18:31] <ahoneybun> got a bit slow since I got bcak
[18:40] <Riddell> clivejo: yep it's on my todo for this evening thanks :)
[18:40] <Riddell> ahoneybun: all good here
[18:40] <ahoneybun> damn it
[18:40] <ahoneybun> takes like 5 secs to click
[18:40] <ahoneybun> sometimes to type
[18:41] <ahoneybun> I wonder if it has to do with the staging-framework
[20:09] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Wily is fine for me. Even on the somewhat slow laptop.
[20:10] <ahoneybun> darn
[20:54] <Riddell> clivejo: digikam looking good, uploaded! can you update it in bzr?
[20:56] <clivejo> how do I do that?
[21:16] <Riddell> clivejo: bzr co bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/digikam/
[21:16] <Riddell> copy in the new debian/ direcotory
[21:16] <Riddell> bzr diff
[21:16] <Riddell> bzr commit
[21:19] <yofel> he can't do that unless he's a member, so either he'll need a merge request or you have to commit
[21:20] <lordievader> Or he can become a member ;)
[21:20] <ahoneybun> ubuntu member?
[21:20] <yofel> ofc, but "right now" isn't really managable :P
[21:21] <lordievader> True, true... But still ;)
[21:21] <ahoneybun> anyone of us can do it for him no?
[21:23] <yofel> you still need council quorum
[21:23] <yofel> and he's been here for ~6 months?
[21:23] <ahoneybun> I meant to commit
[21:24] <yofel> ah right, that sure
[21:24] <yofel> that was more meant as a reminder for Riddell as he doesn't seem to remember that
[21:24] <ahoneybun> sure
[21:24] <Riddell> I think he is a member of ~kubuntu-packagers
[21:25] <ahoneybun> he is
[21:25] <ahoneybun> yellow belt for sure
[21:26] <ahoneybun> things are soo slowww
[21:26] <ahoneybun> on my system
[21:27] <valorie> sgclark: just saw you are sick
[21:27] <valorie> :(
[21:27] <sgclark> very :(
[21:27] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Have you checked why that might be?
[21:28] <valorie> we want more kubuntu members and kubuntu devels!
[21:28] <ahoneybun> things seem a bit better after removing staging-frameworks
[21:28] <ahoneybun> lordievader: ^
[21:28] <ahoneybun> a ppa
[21:28] <valorie> there is still a council and still a group of kubuntu devels to grill new devels
[21:29] <ahoneybun> system76 still love us :)
[21:29] <valorie> sitter: we put the notes for the kubuntu BoF on the bottom of the Neon BoF
[21:29] <valorie> dear god I hate windows
[21:29] <valorie> but at least the visa is paid
[21:29] <valorie> now for the rest of the bills
[21:29] <lordievader> ahoneybun: First stop would be vmstat or atop I'd say ;)
[21:30] <ahoneybun> ewwww windows
[21:30]  * ahoneybun slides lordievader over to #kubuntu
[21:30]  * valorie plunges back into the OS of darkness and dispair
[21:30] <ahoneybun> no?
[21:31] <ahoneybun> not sure what vmstat is saying
[21:31] <lordievader> Hehe, thanks to my recent ram upgrade I forgot today that I had Windows running in the background as a vm... XD
[21:31] <ahoneybun> I have 8gbs
[22:21] <Riddell> clivejo: hum, not working https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/digikam/4:4.12.0-0ubuntu1
[22:22] <clivejo> have to disable proposed 
[22:24] <ahoneybun> Riddell: lets have Canonical pay for a new hdd XD
[22:25] <Riddell> canonical won't, you can always try the ubuntu community fund, but probably not
[22:25] <ahoneybun> jokes of course
[22:30] <Riddell> hi TJ-!
[22:36] <Riddell> ooh frameworks 5.13 is here
[22:38] <valorie> weee, bills are paid
[22:38] <valorie> windows machine doing updates or something
[22:50]  * ahoneybun 's hard drive will die soon I think