[01:08] <darkxst> robert_ancell, hey
[01:08] <darkxst> robert_ancell, would I be able to get your endorsement for ubuntu-desktop packageset application? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimLunn/DesktopApplication
[02:16] <robert_ancell> darkxst, sure
[02:18] <darkxst> robert_ancell, thanks
[02:28] <robert_ancell> darkxst, do you just want me to edit my existing endorsement and mention ~ubuntu-desktop?
[02:29] <robert_ancell> oh, i see
[02:29] <robert_ancell> It's in the "previous endorsement" category
[02:30] <darkxst> robert_ancell, cut+paste (and edit) would be fine?
[02:31] <robert_ancell> yeah, that's what I'm doing
[02:32] <darkxst> ok
[05:18] <pitti> Good morning
[06:14] <didrocks> good morning
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[07:34] <pitti> bonjour didrocks, ça va ?
[07:36] <didrocks> ça va bien pitti, et toi ?
[07:36] <pitti> didrocks: je vais bien aussi, merci !
[07:36] <pitti> didrocks: just rolled out britney, take II
[07:36] <pitti> this time without breaking the world :)
[07:36] <didrocks> ahah ;)
[07:36] <didrocks> better today than a Friday, right? :p
[07:37] <didrocks> anyway, for take I, that was a "nothing bad can ever happened", right? :p
[07:37] <didrocks> happen*
[07:37] <pitti> didrocks: yeah -- stupid logic error which the tests didn't catch :(
[07:37] <pitti> "who tests the tests"
[07:38] <didrocks> I had a similar situation last week btw
[07:38] <didrocks> like "hum, the tests would have told me if this was broken"
[07:38] <didrocks> <look at the tests>
[07:38] <didrocks> "oh………"
[07:38] <didrocks> :)
[07:39] <pitti> my tests were actually fine, just not sufficiently large to catch that case
[07:42] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[07:42] <seb128> re didrocks
[07:42] <seb128> hey pitti
[07:43] <didrocks> re seb128
[07:45] <pitti> bonjour seb128 !
[07:46] <seb128> hey pitti, ça va bien ?
[07:47] <pitti> seb128: oui ! je suis cassé britney à nouveau ! :-)
[07:47] <pitti> seb128: (pas pour de vrai cette fois)
[07:56] <willcooke> morning seb128 pitti
[07:56] <willcooke> and didrocks and hik--
[07:56] <didrocks> hey willcooke!
[07:56] <pitti> hey willcooke, how are you?
[07:56] <willcooke> and Laney in about 5 mins
[07:56] <willcooke> pitti, all good!
[07:57] <seb128> hey willcooke
[07:57] <hik--> good morning willcooke didrocks pitti seb128 :)
[07:57] <didrocks> morning hik-- ;)
[07:58] <seb128> hey hik--, how are you?
[07:59] <hik--> good :) how are you guys?
[08:01] <Laney> HAI
[08:01] <seb128> good! though very frustrated by a mx4 phone, I wasted a day to try to get it to work without success :-/
[08:01] <Laney> five minutes, good guess
[08:02] <seb128> hate hardware hate hate hate
[08:02] <seb128> hey Laney
[08:02] <pitti> seb128: phone-in-a-vm? :-/
[08:03] <seb128> pitti, I've a device and I would like it to work ;-)
[08:03] <seb128> that's so frustrating
[08:03]  * pitti hugs seb128
[08:03]  * seb128 hugs pitti back
[08:03] <seb128> I can throw any update.zip to the flyme recovery
[08:03] <seb128> it always ends up with "firmware corrupt"
[08:03] <Laney> didn't you have it working before?
[08:04] <seb128> ubuntu is installed on it
[08:04] <willcooke> seb128, it might be worth you asking ondra, he helped me unbrick a phone
[08:04] <seb128> but partitionning didn't got well
[08:04] <seb128> and nuked the imei
[08:04] <seb128> or without an imei you can't do calls/smses
[08:04] <seb128> and to restore an imei you need specific tools
[08:04] <Laney> seems bad
[08:05] <seb128> so I'm trying to put an android/flyme back on it
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[08:35] <Laney> bah
[08:35] <Laney> this systemd postinst screen locking bug is annoying
[08:36] <pitti> bug 1473800
[08:36] <ubot5> bug 1473800 in systemd (Ubuntu) "restarting logind during systemd update causes screen to lock" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1473800
[08:36] <pitti> yeah, haven't figured this out yet
[08:36] <pitti> restarting logind does that
[08:36] <pitti> I wonder if either that doesn't restore its state properly or something in unit gets upset if it loses the d-bus connection to logind
[08:36] <pitti> "unity"
[08:37] <Laney> I was just perusing the journal before looking for a bug
[08:37] <Laney> thanks for the fast fingers!
[08:39] <Laney> I bet unity gets scared when it loses logind
[08:39]  * Laney looks in the code quickly
[08:50]  * Laney shrugs
[09:02] <doko> Sweet5hark, libreoffice ftbfs. please can you care about that?
[09:02] <doko> also, you are neither on #ubuntu-devel, nor #distro
[09:08] <Sweet5hark> doko: yes, will do.
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[10:46] <zeorin> Hi all, I'm having a problem where I can't log in to my desktop
[10:47] <zeorin> When I enter the password for my username the login prompt and the 'dots' disappear but nothing else happens
[10:47] <zeorin> The mouse is still responsive
[10:48] <zeorin> When I check .xsession-errors, there is a line that tells me that upstart couldn't start upstart-udev-bridge, even though my system uses systemd (Ubuntu 15.04)
[10:48] <zeorin> I'm pretty stumped... any help is most welcome :-)
[10:56] <zeorin> I don't even know where to start looking for the correct error messages that surely would be recorded somewhere. I have a hunch that the errors in .xsession-errors are just old leftovers from the switch to systemd
[11:00] <zeorin> The only way I can get back to the login screen is by either restarting the computer or restarting lightdm (/etc/init.d/lightdm restart)
[11:13] <zeorin> any takers?
[11:31] <zeorin> I've also managed to find out that lightdm spawns upstart (seems strange to me), and that upstart spawns sh and sh spawns sleep
[11:31] <zeorin> sh and sleep eventually terminate, but upstart does not
[11:32] <zeorin> Should lightdm even be spawning upstart on a systemd system?
[11:33] <seb128> zeorin, hey, try #ubuntu for user questions
[11:34] <zeorin> No one is answering me there at all
[11:34] <zeorin> Thanks though
[11:35] <seb128> zeorin, you might want to check logs in .cache/upstart
[11:35] <seb128> zeorin, or with systemd now maybe sudo journalctl
[11:36] <seb128> you can also look to /var/log/lightdm/lightdm.log and x-0-greeter.log
[11:37] <seb128> zeorin, and yes, lightdm should spawn upstart, systemd is pid1 but user sessions are still upstart
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[12:02] <zeorin> seb128: sorry, people in #ubuntu were answering, but I
[12:02] <zeorin> I
[12:02] <zeorin> I'm still no closer to a solve
[12:05] <zeorin> seb128: .cache/upstart/dbus.log says: /proc/self/fd/9/: 3: /proc/self/fd/9: initctl: not found
[12:05] <seb128> zeorin, dpkg -l | grep upstart?
[12:07] <zeorin> a few results, all are marked ii except libupstart1:amd64 which is marked rc
[12:08] <zeorin> seb128: sorry, am working on a vtty, don't know how to copy/paste in this environment
[12:08] <seb128> zeorin, install "upstart" then
[12:09] <zeorin> seb128: that won't mess with systemd?
[12:09] <seb128> no
[12:10] <zeorin> says it's already at the newest version
[12:10] <seb128> hum
[12:10] <seb128> "which initctl"?
[12:10] <zeorin> seb128: initctl not found
[12:10] <seb128> sudo apt-get install --reinstall upstart
[12:11] <seb128> then try again
[12:11] <seb128> or
[12:11] <seb128> ls -l /sbin/initctl
[12:13] <zeorin> seb128: /sbin/initctl exists
[12:14] <zeorin> seb128: wasn't running which initctl as root
[12:14] <seb128> zeorin, your PATH seems buggy then
[12:14] <seb128> zeorin, what do you have in /etc/environment?
[12:15] <seb128> the /sbin dir should be in the user PATH
[12:20] <zeorin> seb128: I think you may be on to something there. I had commented a line out there, because I read in the docs that /etc/environment was deprecated and that /etc/login.defs ought to be used for that now
[12:20] <seb128> zeorin, k, that's what created your issue I gueess then
[12:20] <zeorin> Restoring /etc/environment did the trick! Thank you so much!
[12:21] <seb128> yw!
[12:21] <seb128> don't trust everything writen on the internet ;-)
[12:22] <seb128> oh, also a good rule is to not change things if they work!
[12:24] <zeorin> seb128: yeah I generally try to stick to that, but I'm also wary of cruft in my system. I've had this one running since ubuntu 11.04, without any reinstalls (just distribution upgrades), so sometimes there's cruft left behind. My first Linux was Debian 3.0 so I though I knew what I was doing :-o
[12:25] <seb128> :-)
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[13:04] <ltsampros> Hey ppl
[13:04] <ltsampros> I know that this is not a support channel but nowhere else to go :)
[13:07] <ltsampros> I'm facing the dreaded gnome-keyring issue
[13:07] <ltsampros> I've stumbled upon bug 1271591
[13:07] <ubot5> bug 1271591 in gnome-keyring (Ubuntu Trusty) "upstart job race prevents gnome-keyring from being ssh agent" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1271591
[13:07] <ltsampros> and while I've applied fixes and newer packages etc etc, still there is no SSH_AUTH_SOCK in descended gnome-terminals
[13:07] <ltsampros> is there any proper fix for this ?
[13:29] <andyrock> is gcc going to point to gcc5?
[13:29] <andyrock> by defaul
[13:29] <andyrock> default
[13:29] <pitti> andyrock: yes, it already does in -proposed
[13:29] <pitti> i. e. everything that gets uploaded builds with 5
[13:30]  * andyrock forgot to enable proposed repo
[13:30] <andyrock> thanks
[13:30] <pitti> andyrock: just for avoidance of doubt: never do that on actual machines
[13:31] <pitti> andyrock: at most do it temporarily in schroots or so
[13:31] <andyrock> i'm doing that on the virtual machine
[13:31] <andyrock> :D
[13:50] <Laney> scared
[13:50] <Laney> I have a big heap of renamed packages
[15:30] <hikiko> hello :)
[15:30] <willcooke> :D
[15:30] <seb128> hey
[15:30] <willcooke> hikiko wins the Meeting price
[15:30] <didrocks> hey
[15:30] <willcooke> *prize
[15:30] <hikiko> hahaha
[15:30] <willcooke> Lots of people on holiday this week
[15:30] <willcooke> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2015-08-04
[15:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Aug  4 15:30:57 2015 UTC.  The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[15:30] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
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[15:31] <willcooke> Roll call: andyrock, attente, desrt (out),  dgadomski, didrocks, fjkong (might be packing), happyaron (out), hikiko, laney, larsu (out), qengho (out), seb128, sweet5hark (out), themuso (out), tkamppeter (out), trevino(out), robert_ancell (out)
[15:31] <Laney> yo
[15:31] <dgadomski> o/
[15:31] <hikiko> wow, really lots of people
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[15:32] <ltsampros> hi hikiko :P
[15:32] <didrocks> a lot of people… out! that's not representative of the desktop team :p
[15:32] <hikiko> hello ltsampros :p
[15:32] <willcooke> Probably unfair to ask andyrock to start :)
[15:32]  * didrocks was waiting eagerly to andyrock though
[15:32] <Laney> hey
[15:32] <attente> hi hi
[15:33] <Laney> willcooke: you should explain why the list is different :)
[15:33] <willcooke> Different to??
[15:33] <didrocks> last week :p
[15:33] <willcooke> ohhh
[15:33] <didrocks> like "moar people"
[15:33] <didrocks> Laney: good call btw ;)
[15:33] <willcooke> Ok, then before we start
[15:34] <willcooke> Welcome to three new members of the Desktop Team!  A big round of applause please for andyrock, hikiko and Trevinho
[15:34] <didrocks> welcome guys!
[15:34] <ogra_> willcooke, growing a desktop empire, eh ? :)
[15:34] <hikiko> thank you! nice to meet you :)
[15:35] <Laney> \o/
[15:35] <willcooke> ogra_, :D
[15:36] <willcooke> Lets kick off then, I'll skip andyrock and we can come back to him at the end
[15:36] <willcooke> #topic attente
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[15:36] <attente> short week due to holiday yesterday
[15:36] <attente> getting up to speed with xmir, ended up doing a clean install to get u8 working again
[15:36] <attente> debugging gtk under xmir, found a workaround to get gtk apps running under xmir
[15:36] <attente> (eof)
[15:36] <willcooke> thanks attente - good news for the work around, thanks
[15:37] <willcooke> #topic dgadomski
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[15:37] <dgadomski> hi, my week was mainly about:
[15:37] <dgadomski> *looks like the commit suggested by upstream solves bug #1464645, tests look promising. I will prepare a debdiff for SRU with it.
[15:37] <ubot5> bug 1464645 in gvfs (Ubuntu) "Samba shares over gvfs do not respect ACL rules" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1464645
[15:37] <dgadomski> *send patch for bug #1473458 (retrying dbus call if the error was DBUS_GERROR_LIMITS_EXCEEDED), waiting for their feedback
[15:37] <ubot5> bug 1473458 in NetworkManager "NM not listing all configured connections" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1473458
[15:37] <dgadomski> *set up environment and successfully reproduced bug #1124250, working towards a fix, currently it's mainly affecting precise with trusty kernel
[15:37] <ubot5> bug 1124250 in linux (Ubuntu Utopic) "Partially incorrect uid mapping with nfs4/idmapd/ldap-auth" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1124250
[15:37] <dgadomski> EOF
[15:37] <willcooke> Thanks dgadomski
[15:37] <dgadomski> thanks
[15:38] <willcooke> dgadomski, we now have some excellent U7 and Compiz skillz with hikiko, Trevinho and andyrock - so be sure to let us know if you need any help there
[15:38] <willcooke> #topic didrocks
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[15:38] <dgadomski> good to know, thank you willcooke
[15:38] <didrocks> hey
[15:38] <didrocks> Ubuntu Make:
[15:38] <didrocks> - finished reviewing and last issues squashing on Firefox Dev Language support. Excellent work from our new contributor!
[15:38] <didrocks> - another new contributor (rewriting part of the readme) review + merge
[15:38] <didrocks> - those 2 were released today in 0.9.2! (blog post on planet ubuntu + g+ + tweet)
[15:38] <didrocks> - updated Ubuntu Make wiki page to be more current
[15:38] <didrocks> - other review on intel SDK support
[15:38] <didrocks> - bug triaging
[15:39] <didrocks> Developer experience:
[15:39] <didrocks> - experienced and continued working on the season 1 example app (design/page navigation/bottom edge/settings storage/u1db reload/filtering-sorting). Fought on some aspects of it and tried to create best practices
[15:39] <didrocks> - opened and communicated to the Ubuntu SDK team multiple issues (around u1db/model, bottom edge, some layouting)
[15:39] <didrocks> - talked and gave and give advices to the SDK team on installing multiple frameworks support
[15:39] <didrocks> - searched and ordered dev advocacy devices
[15:39] <didrocks> EOF
[15:39] <willcooke> thanks didrocks - very cool to see new community contributors - thanks for making them welcome
[15:39] <willcooke> #topic FJKong
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[15:39] <FJKong> 1 testing sogou Im shuangpin color of tips string
[15:40] <FJKong> 2 update scope of pinyin searching
[15:40] <FJKong> 3 update converting from Chinese to pinyin
[15:40] <FJKong> 4 fix suspended account with help of #is
[15:40] <FJKong> eof
[15:40] <willcooke> Glad you got your account sorted out.  Hope you have a great time in Europe
[15:40] <willcooke> #topic happyaron
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[15:40] <willcooke> off today
[15:41] <willcooke> I'll come back to hikiko at the end
[15:41] <willcooke> #topic Laney
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[15:41] <Laney> hello
[15:41] <Laney> • Upload e-d-s 3.16
[15:41] <Laney> • Review/merge/upload new patch from abeato to gst-bad
[15:41] <Laney> • Cherry-pick glib patch to fix crash in GOptionContext; upload to Debian; sync
[15:41] <Laney> • python3.5 fixes
[15:41] <Laney> ∘ Fix ipython testsuite; fwd to Debian
[15:41] <Laney> ∘ Fix pyside
[15:41] <Laney> • Fix telepathy-qt5 FTBFS with new gstreamer (its fault - using broken rules); fwd upstream
[15:41] <Laney> • Hopefully fix graphical glitches in VMs using the qxl driver by cherry-picking some stuff from Fedora
[15:41] <Laney> • Help out with gcc5 transition - got a big heap of packages to upload
[15:41] <Laney> • DMB: meeting, try to make some policy clear
[15:41] <Laney> • Try libinput X driver
[15:41] <Laney> • Help with A2 release by pressing buttons, pulling levers & prodding folk
[15:41] <Laney> • Review/give feedback on u-s-d branch from tseliot to fix issues where touchscreens don't work sometimes
[15:41] <Laney> • Off Thursday and Friday
[15:41] <Laney> ⚙
[15:41] <seb128> Laney, how did the keyboard change go btw?
[15:42] <Laney> seems to have fixed it
[15:42] <willcooke> Thanks Laney, and special thanks for the A2 work
[15:42] <seb128> great
[15:42] <Laney> I didn't believe it would
[15:42] <Laney> so yes that is good :P
[15:42] <Laney> HOWEVER
[15:42] <Laney> now there's a rattling noise inside the laptop
[15:42] <Laney> seems he dropped a screw or something
[15:42] <willcooke> maybe a snake
[15:42] <seb128> urg
[15:42] <willcooke> be careful
[15:43] <willcooke> try putting a live mouse inside and see if the noise stops
[15:43] <Laney> HSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
[15:43] <willcooke> #topic seb128
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[15:43] <Laney> wait, who typed that?
[15:43] <willcooke> LOL
[15:43] <seb128> 4 works day only (vac on friday)
[15:43] <seb128> • worked on the gcc5 transition (renamed some 25 libraries)
[15:43] <seb128> • spent near from a day fighting with device issues (trying to get a working imei back)
[15:43] <seb128> • SRUed libtimezonemap/u-c-c location fix to vivid
[15:43] <seb128> • discussed bluez5 with the new bluetooth guy in the touch team (nice to get somebody working on the bluetooth stack!)
[15:43] <seb128> </week>
[15:43] <Laney> new bluetooth guy?
[15:44] <seb128> (lot of bugs triage as well)
[15:44] <seb128> Laney, yeah, the phone guys have a bluetooth maintainer
[15:44] <Laney> nice
[15:44] <Laney> who?
[15:44] <Laney> is that 'stop pinging cyphermox'? :P
[15:44] <didrocks> nice, so the touch side for bluez will happen it seems!
[15:44] <seb128> morphis on IRC
[15:44] <cyphermox> moo>
[15:44] <willcooke> excellent, thanks seb128
[15:45] <seb128> Laney, he submitted https://code.launchpad.net/~morphis/ubuntu-system-settings/bt-always-do-async-calls/+merge/266201 and started triaging some bugs
[15:45] <seb128> yw!
[15:45] <willcooke> #topic sweet5hark
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[15:45] <willcooke> LO & Doc Foundation  meetings
[15:45] <willcooke> #topic TheMuso
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[15:46] <willcooke> * Continued working out possible ways to integrate accessibility profiles into Ubuntu a little more tightly.
[15:46] <willcooke> * More upstream text to speech related activities.
[15:46] <willcooke> #topic tkamppeter
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[15:46] <willcooke> Bugs and house hunting
[15:46] <willcooke> #topic robert_ancell
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[15:46] <willcooke> - Fix red and blue channels being swapped on XMir on Nexus 4
[15:46] <willcooke> - Update depends in packages to stop using transitional package names
[15:46] <willcooke> - Update USB ID database in wily
[15:47] <willcooke> oki, doesn't look like andyrock is about, and Trevinho is on holiday, so....
[15:47] <willcooke> #topic hikiko
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[15:47] <hikiko> Installed wily, worked on a small fix in the 3d windows compiz plugin pointed out by bregma (almost done), started working on this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz/+bug/1480863 I found while I am fixing the ezoom plugin to scale also the unity components (atm it only zooms at the compiz windows/components) - this bug needs more work, I didn't find a fix yet EOF :)
[15:47] <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1480863 in Compiz "a menu appears on the panel when we are in spread mode" [Undecided,New]
[15:47] <willcooke> awesome, thanks hikiko
[15:47] <willcooke> #topic willcooke
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[15:48] <willcooke> This week I have mostly been getting some thoughts together on 16.04
[15:48] <willcooke> So as we know (I hope) 16.04 Desktop will be a deb based Unity 7 LTS
[15:49] <willcooke> \o/
[15:49] <willcooke> Our team need to make this the best release ever, so lots of focus on quality, maintainability and hopefully finding time to add some new features
[15:50] <willcooke> One of the first jobs will be to get a list of bugs we want fixed
[15:50] <seb128> +1
[15:50] <willcooke> In U7, Compiz, and elsewhere in the platform
[15:50] <seb128> that's not only for unity
[15:50] <willcooke> :)
[15:50] <seb128> I noticed some on the way while triaging other components, unsure how to tag/mark them
[15:50] <Laney> rls-w-incoming
[15:50] <Laney> although that report is broken atm
[15:50] <willcooke> I was using 16.04-hit-list, but Laney pointed me at that ^^
[15:51] <Laney> I pinged bdmurray about it
[15:51] <seb128> those are the ones the release team care about though
[15:51] <willcooke> should we not use X incoming?
[15:51] <seb128> not our own wishlist
[15:51] <seb128> no?
[15:51] <Laney> they don't use it
[15:51] <Laney> and it has a report working already
[15:51] <Laney> so might as well imho
[15:51] <seb128> k
[15:51] <didrocks> as long they the release team don't consider them blockers as in the past, it's fine
[15:51] <Laney> don't know if X is working atm
[15:52] <willcooke> It gives us a convenient incoming queue, which we can then triage and move to another "will work on queue"
[15:52] <Laney> we could either get that set up or use W and try to fix some for 15.10 then move the rest later
[15:52] <willcooke> it should be easy enough to move them over once it's open
[15:52] <willcooke> Laney, +1
[15:53] <seb128> +1 as well
[15:53] <willcooke> I would also like to ask community members to help us organise that list, suggest things which should be worked on, work on code, etc
[15:53] <willcooke> So I'm trying to find a good mechanism to do that
[15:53] <willcooke> G+ polls - urgh
[15:54] <willcooke> Some Wordpress plugin for voting - urgh
[15:54] <Laney> hmm
[15:54] <willcooke> I wonder if LP can help us with that?
[15:54] <Laney> if you like triaging queues then just say anyone can use the tag
[15:54] <willcooke> and also, we don't just want a big free for all, so it will take some managing
[15:55] <seb128> we can use tag + maybe serie nomination as a way to acl control those?
[15:55] <willcooke> the tag works for me.  And if it turns out we get a bazillion bugs, then we'll have to work out something else
[15:55] <Laney> otherwise... you can set up a project on LP and get people to 'also affects' bugs to that
[15:56] <Laney> I think that the workflow is that you nominate to the series to 'accept' the bug
[15:56] <didrocks> I wonder if the tools that I built some years ago and design used may be useful
[15:56] <didrocks> with a master task
[15:56] <Laney> then it goes -incoming -> rls-w-bugs
[15:57] <Laney> there was an email from slangasek I think to an internal list a couple of years ago
[15:57] <Laney> but I couldn't find it the other day
[15:57] <seb128> about those tags?
[15:57] <willcooke> ok, I'll have a play with the options in LP and see which is easiest
[15:58] <willcooke> if you guys can try it out as well and let me know what you think we can reach an agreement
[15:58] <didrocks> I'm happy to present the system I put in place for design (and the unity team) at the time if needed
[15:58] <Laney> yeah
[15:58] <didrocks> (they are still using it 4 years later and I maintain the backend from time to time, so it should work… :p)
[15:58] <willcooke> and then we can publicise the plans on mailing list, G+, FB I guess
[15:58] <willcooke> thanks didrocks, let's look at that in our 1:1 this week
[15:58] <didrocks> sure
[15:59] <willcooke> and if seb128, Laney  anyone - you want to see it as well, I'll comment here and you can join the HO
[15:59] <seb128> Laney, "Bug tracking for 12.10" on the platform list on june 2012
[15:59] <seb128> ubuntu-platform@
[15:59] <seb128> linked to https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-q-release-bug-list-workflows
[16:00] <Laney> looks like I lost the archive of that list
[16:00] <seb128> I can fwd that email to you if you want
[16:00] <seb128> but the blueprint should summarize it
[16:01] <seb128> fwded in any case
[16:01] <willcooke> seb128, can I get a copy too?
[16:01] <seb128> willcooke, done
[16:01] <willcooke> thx
[16:02] <willcooke> let's continue this discussion over the next week or so
[16:02] <willcooke> and move to wrap the meeting
[16:02] <willcooke> #topic AOB
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[16:02] <willcooke> Any other business?
[16:02] <willcooke> Generally, people are on holidays, conferences for the next couple of weeks
[16:03] <willcooke> AOB - going once....
[16:03] <willcooke> twice
[16:03] <willcooke> #endmeeting
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[16:04] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Aug  4 16:03:59 2015 UTC.
[16:04] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2015/ubuntu-desktop.2015-08-04-15.30.moin.txt
[16:04] <didrocks> thanks guys
[16:04] <willcooke> Thanks all!
[16:04] <willcooke> hikiko, that's pretty much the format we follow.  Sometimes we get done in 15 mins, sometimes we have more to talk about
[16:05] <willcooke> hikiko, andyrock Trevinho - I would also urge you guys to have U7/Compiz related conversations in this channel
[16:05] <seb128> thanks
[16:05] <willcooke> I think -unity is probably your traditional home, but since we're one team now it would be nice to keep everything here
[16:15] <hikiko> thanks willcooke :)
[16:16] <hikiko> so far we used unity-maintenance but we ll discuss topics here as well
[16:21] <willcooke> thanks hikiko
[16:24] <willcooke> For those of you who missed it:  Roadmap Q&A Hang out on air:  http://ubuntuonair.com/
[16:39] <seb128> willcooke, oh yeah, forgot about that one, I wanted to put it in background, thanks
[17:17] <willcooke> g'night all
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[18:32] <andyrock> sorry guys
[18:34] <andyrock> btw i'm trying to build the gcc5 branches i did for compiz/unity on a wily VM
[18:34] <andyrock> just to check that we don't need to rebuild all the stack
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