=== chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === dpm_ is now known as dpm === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [12:21] Hi, is there the Q&A today at 15 UTC here? [12:31] Jimbo_Jambo, yes indeed :) [12:32] :D yuppye ! [12:41] hi all [12:50] hi all [12:50] this is biraj from india [12:51] hi biraj [13:13] hope it works [13:13] hi everyone [13:22] Jimbo_Jambo: c [13:22] Jimbo_Jambo: hi [13:23] Neko__: hi [14:06] hey hey - starting in about 55 mins [14:08] it wouldn't be started at 15.00 UTC (5 min ago), instead? ^^ [14:08] no [14:09] if you type in "date -u" in your terminal for example, you get UTC time [14:09] Tue Aug 4 14:08:45 UTC 2015 [14:09] http://www.worldtimeserver.com/aktuelle-Zeit-in-UTC.aspx [14:09] or click the link on ubuntuonair.com: https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=2015-08-04T15:00:00 [14:09] most (western) european countries have +2 timezone [14:11] I think it causing by legal hours addedd on March [14:41] hello [14:43] o/ [14:43] yo yo yo [14:44] hello! [14:44] dholbach: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiKxjLkV8sA [14:45] :) [14:47] morning! [14:47] Good Morning :) [14:47] damn it dholbach I just realised you were being hip and down widda kids and all that, I'm old I spend all my time chasing you young whipersnappers off my lawn ;) [14:48] I'll take that as a compliment then ... or something :) [14:48] hi Melio, hi bbtt2014tb :) [14:49] Hello what is this Live Stream Going to be about [14:49] davmor2, I hadn't ever heard the term whipersnappers before :) [14:49] bbtt2014tb: "ubuntu" i guess :) [14:50] Be very disappointed if it's not! [14:50] but i think it will be about the roadmap oli.ries rolled out yesterday [14:50] dpm: you're obviously not old enough either ;) [14:50] bbtt2014tb, it's going to be our regular Ubuntu Q&A, with olli as our featured guest to talk and take questions about the Ubuntu roadmap and convergence [14:50] Oh I thought it was going to be about Cat and Dogs Dang it [14:51] dpm: Thanks at least you can tell me [14:51] bbtt2014tb: http://www.olli-ries.com/t-242d/ [14:51] hi all, i'm using elementary OS freya.. what's yours? [14:52] Windows 10 [14:53] what's the experience in Windows 10? [14:53] i dual boot windows 10 and ubuntu [14:53] ubuntu sees way more hardware then windows does on my laptop. [14:53] 6 Mins to go [14:54] 1 [14:54] yep [14:54] Hi everyone [14:54] hello OhYash [14:54] yeah.. [14:54] windows10 went a whole step closer to the linux desktops, design and functionality wise, imho [14:54] this webclient sux [14:54] dholbach, not sure if you could hear me, I ony got noise from your end [14:54] it doesnt automaticly scroll to the bottom of the chat [14:54] now you can get a 4x4 tiling on win10, and different workspaces.... [14:55] I'm on Hermes (android) this is good. [14:55] olli, I heard you all right - let me log out and back in again [14:55] k1l_: and here I am enjoying woobly windows [14:56] limivanb Its more stabled I think then Windows 8.1 [14:56] contana on windows 10 is a bummer [14:56] it's so primative [14:56] I would rather just use my android "ok google" interface [14:57] Melio good to hear 😂😁😀 [14:57] @bbtt2014tb thanks for the feedback [14:57] Melio : Why do you think it a bumer. I think it has great it like a pressonal assistant [14:57] dragon dictate had voice control working 15 years ago properly. they keep reinventing the wheel [14:58] Never heard of that [14:58] it doesnt launch apps, it has no search [14:58] anybody here know how to install counter strike (any version) in Ubuntu? [14:58] But I can tell Google Now is the most immature voice assistant I've ever used [14:58] Melio: It Launches Apps and Searches It better then OK GOOGLE [14:59] limivanb: if it's on steam it'll install on linux if it's a compatible game. otherwise you need to look at wine [14:59] Its gonna happen.... its gonna happen now [14:59] bbtt2014tb: i havent seen it do that. I'll keep playing with it [14:59] o/ [15:00] ok, about to start in a minute [15:00] @Melio: thanks.. only 2 options? wine or steam? [15:00] Beer! [15:01] going live [15:01] limivanb: i would start there [15:02] mmmm beer [15:02] I see loading bar, oh, I forgot my internet is slow [15:02] http://drool.popey.com/ [15:02] 5pm here [15:02] hi all [15:02] hi all [15:02] hello hello [15:02] hey hey [15:02] Helo [15:02] 11pm here in the Philippines [15:02] totaly beer o'clock then [15:02] 4pm in grey England here :) [15:03] All is good, sound and 720p video [15:03] almost beer o'clock [15:03] dpm: Can hear you loud and clear. :) [15:03] !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ALL IS GOOD !!!!! [15:03] QUESTION: News on North American Phone yet? [15:03] prefix questions with QUESTION: pls. [15:03] hi david [15:03] bring on the questions! [15:03] QUESTION: when can we download the Ubuntu Personal iso image (with installer) [15:04] i love ubuntu [15:04] QUESTION: Will ubuntu touch support snapshots? [15:04] i want to join ubuntu community team [15:04] Will Ubuntu run Windows Application without WINE [15:04] bbtt2: why would it do that? [15:04] bbtt2, remember to prefix the questions with QUESTION: for us not to miss them [15:05] bbtt2, QUESTION: Will Ubuntu run Windows Application without WINE [15:05] kivi NO! [15:05] wablablabla, not my question! [15:05] We want to know what your scrum # status is! [15:05] http://www.olli-ries.com/t-242d/ [15:05] blog post olli is talking about [15:06] my son uses ubuntu on his nexus 4 [15:06] he loves it. [15:06] heh, nice [15:06] ITS SO LGAGGY [15:06] nice Melio [15:06] QUESTION: Ram consumption Unity7 (Xorg) vs Unity8 (Mir)... [15:06] unfortunately olli lives in a hole in the ground where internet access is spotty, bear with it :) [15:06] ^^ I can relate [15:06] QUESTION: Is deb-based ubuntu going to be stopped once Ubuntu Personal becomes stable? [15:06] OhYash: that's not really a question [15:07] QUESTION: Who is deb-based and snappy-based ubuntu targetted at? [15:07] I searched for ubuntu make the other day, researching gcc, and was momentarily confused~ [15:07] popey: TIL that olli and I are neighbors. [15:07] (Because Internet) [15:07] nhaines: caves ftw [15:07] OhYash, interesting question, but it's hard to really decipher something like that [15:08] mhall119 was writing a actual question, changed it.. [15:08] QUSTION: when will this page (ubuntuonair.com) be redesigned? it's frustrating now!!! please at least move the comment/irc next to the video (right) and make it more beautiful! maybe drop the dotted background [15:08] balloons yeah, but with windowed mode and on current state [15:09] wablablabla: it'll be improved as soon as somebody offers to do the work to improve it, are you volunteering? [15:09] mhall119: i'm a taxi driver :))) [15:10] you have a computer that you can type on, that's all the equipment you need :) [15:10] and you have a car, you can drive somewhere with internet access! :D [15:10] I did make changes to make the irc box bigger a bit ago [15:10] i guess.. i can design something )) [15:10] Question: What is the minimum requirements to join the ubuntu development team? [15:10] it's technically nicer now :-) [15:10] Hi everyone, sorry to disturb. I know it's not correct to talk about another distro here but I need some help about Linux Mint. Can anyone lend me a hand? [15:11] QUESTION: In which part of Ubuntu would you like people to get involved? [15:11] question: want to localize ubuntu touch localization? [15:11] wablablabla: we've had people from all kinds of professions contribute to Ubuntu, it's not just those who write software for a living [15:11] QUESTION: olli - In ubuntu snappy, are there any things such as libraries that you will need to build statically? [15:12] Mint17: have you tried Mint's help channels? [15:12] kivi, not necessarily - you can also bundle shared libraries and set something like LD_LIBRARY_PATH when running the binary [15:12] mhall119 there is only one(non-registered) and they are zzZz! since a while [15:12] kivi, so, you could copy a library from a .deb and put it into the snap [15:13] any part as long as i can manage. [15:13] Mint17, or ask on stackexchange or their forums or something? [15:13] Mint17, in any case this channel is about the current live show of http://ubuntuonair.com/ [15:13] Mint17: also try mailinglists, forums, whatever else Mint provides [15:14] ok guys, thanks anyway. === bas is now known as Guest44652 [15:14] Question: What are the new features of next version of Ubuntu? [15:14] dholbach, when running the binary? [15:14] QUESTION: Can Unity8 & Mir be used in deb-based ubuntu? (since it uses click packaging on the phone) [15:15] good questions everyone! [15:15] yeah [15:15] got a lot of questions to queue up [15:15] nik90, sure, there's a container for that! [15:15] * balloons ducks [15:15] olli, QUESTION: What is the difference between unity8, unity next, ubuntu touch... is there one that I'm missing? [15:15] QUESTION: Gnome has been working on their own application sandboxing (see, e.g., https://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2014/07/10/desktop-containers-the-way-forward/). Has there been / will there be any collaboration with them? [15:15] kivi: snappy personal [15:15] heh :) [15:16] kivi, yep, just add a small shell script which uses LD_LIBRARY_PATH as environment variable [15:16] I hadn't heard about snappy personal until 15 minutes ago. [15:16] if you missed it, here's olli's blog post again: http://www.olli-ries.com/t-242d/ [15:16] balloons: ah yes..so in the container I can install both deb-based and click-based apps? [15:16] QUESTION: when will Ubuntu Personal land on Ubuntu Phones? [15:17] dholbach, so LD_LIBRARY_PATH=somesharedlib.so [15:18] and then /path/to/binary? [15:18] woot dd! [15:18] kivi, LD_LIBRARY_PATH=./libs/ ./run-my-binary [15:18] or something [15:18] QUESTION: want to join ubuntu community team ? how? [15:19] dholbach, ah got it [15:19] biraj: 90% of being a part of the Ubuntu community is just showing up :) [15:19] QUESTION: What do you think the landscape will look like for 3rd party developers by 16.04? [15:19] biraj: what areas are you interested in? [15:19] nik90, hehe. Actually, that's a good question. I've never tried to install debs, but there's no reason I can think of that I couldn't [15:19] dholbach, what about a python interpreter though? ive been looking at virtualenv, after failing to get a satisfactory binary by building it statically. [15:20] dpm - like time machine on mac [15:20] nik90, I of course was being silly as running the unity8 desktop in lxc while on unity7 [15:20] biraj: http://community.ubuntu.com/ is a good place to start, there's a "Find a Task" button there that will direct you to other areas depending on your interests [15:20] popey, yes! [15:20] QUESTION [15:20] olli: asking yourself null questions? [15:20] mhall119: thanks [15:20] makes him seem more popular! [15:20] lol [15:21] :D [15:21] that would be easy to answer at least :) [15:21] kivi, I don't know what the newest is on python - http://www.wefearchange.org/2015/04/creating-python-snaps.html is already 4 months old [15:21] kivi, maybe just ask in #snappy for now [15:21] dholbach, oh i'll take a look at that [15:21] oh! great tips! [15:21] thanks [15:21] kivi, instructions might have changed :) [15:22] QUESTION: Are workspaces planned for Unity 8? [15:22] mhall119: i am looking for basically tech evangelism and localization [15:22] QUESTION: on market there are some MHL cables to connect MX4 with monitor. Will that feature land in Ubuntu edition? Or is there any other way to connect MX4 with monitor (bluetooth, wifi)? Is there a technical problem or lack of developers to do that? [15:23] QUESTION: since SDL2 is used so much for gaming are there any plans to officially support SDL2? maybe even with a default template in Ubuntu SDK [15:23] Silviu: yes, you can see them in the new switcher screen demo that's making the rounds on G+ [15:23] QUESTION: Canonical seem to have got rid of Ubuntu One just when it was needed the most. Are there any plans to have some kind of official way of synchronising things from Ubuntu phone to Ubuntu on your laptop etc? (or do I have to wait until we can get syncthing on the phone?) [15:23] QUESTION: Is there any communication with KDE community over "Shashlik" (Android Applications on Real Linux) approach by Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen? Does Ubuntu consider this? [15:23] Silviu: the preview at hte top, above the window stack, is the workspace swither [15:24] QUESTION: so 16.04 will be (the last) "traditional" desktop ubuntu with unity7, xorg and .deb packages? from that on it will start to be unity8, MIR and snappy? [15:24] QUESTION: All the discussion is about Phones, where do the Tablets stand right now? (Such as 'Supported' Nexus 10) [15:24] k1l_: no [15:24] Can I ask questions unrelated to the blog that olli posted? [15:25] QUESTION: Any work to let me run Snap applications on the deb system for the 16.04 release? Would make it much easier for app developers to target us [15:25] FAKE QUESTION: I heard from an employee of Canonical that you were definitely moving to a rolling release on the Linux Unplugged action show. When will this happen? [15:25] /s/action// [15:25] kivi: FAKE ANSWER as soon as we change the default browser, music player and file manager :) [15:26] ha ha [15:26] kivi: haha, that's not fake! :) [15:26] did I say that? :) [15:26] kivi, mhall119 it will happen 1.5 years ago [15:26] olli: awesome thnx, that answered my questions. [15:26] or did you miss that part where we are effectively rolling? [15:26] "Canonical going to rolling release (source: former Canonical employee popey )" [15:26] mhall119: please help me to get started with tech evangelism and localization [15:26] ha ha [15:27] Taking notes... [15:27] QUESTION: How long until we get languages other than QML? Any chance of a Python SDK? [15:27] heheh Silviu :) [15:27] ok tahnsk [15:27] s [15:28] lol Silviu [15:28] biraj: biraj https://translations.launchpad.net/+groups/ubuntu-translators is the best place to get involved in translations, there's a very active community that works together on them [15:28] o/ [15:28] dpm, that was a question for Olli :) [15:28] dpm, or ask everyone :) [15:28] darrren: we already have HTML5, and unofficially C++ [15:28] that's fine too [15:28] darrren: there's work on Go too [15:28] QUESTION: What is the minimum requirements to join the ubuntu development team? [15:28] limivanb: a computer with internet access [15:29] QUESTION: What are the new features of next version of Ubuntu? [15:29] limivanb: anybody can contribute to Ubuntu at any time [15:29] limivanb: 15.10? [15:29] limivanb: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment [15:30] QUESTION: Is is possible to switch between standard Ubuntu and Personal from the login screen? If not, is there a point where it will be possible? [15:31] What are the potential advantages of a common OS codebase that runs clouds (datacenters), user endpoints (laptops, desktops, phones, tablets) and IoT devices ?. [15:31] QUESTION: I've heard(I think from mhall119) that the backend for the snappy store isn't open sourced. Is that true? If so: why not? Wouldn't it benefit uptake if other parties could distribute snaps? [15:31] dshimer: the login screen lets you switch between desktops, but the difference between deb-based and snappy-based is lower level than that [15:31] QUESTION: is QML really designed for writing games? what is the official supported way for writing games for Ubuntu Phone? html5 and QML will kill your battery and set your phone on fire [15:32] QUESTION: on market there are some MHL cables to connect MX4 with monitor. Will that feature land in Ubuntu edition? Or is there any other way to connect MX4 with monitor (bluetooth, wifi)? Is there a technical problem or lack of developers to do that? [15:32] QUESTION: You're saying that Mir and Unity 8 might arrive with Ubuntu 16.04, if things go well. You'll have two Ubuntu versions, one with Unity 7 and one with Unity 8. Are both going to be LTS releases? [15:32] mhall119: So that is something that couldn't happen? How about between Unity 7 and 8? [15:32] Firstfaw: mx4 doesn't support mhl as far as I am aware. [15:33] Firstfaw: might do with some firmware update later, but I'm not sure. [15:33] QUESTION which core apps needs the most help? [15:33] QUESTION: Is the ubuntu podcast putting on some sort of competition right now? [15:33] halfsail: dekko, the email app, and the calendar [15:33] halfsail, probably best to just start with what you have an active interest in [15:34] halfsail, or pick a bug that looks nice and easy :) [15:34] dshimer: between Unity 7 and Unity 8 is already possible [15:34] halfsail: feel free to ping me after the call - my contact details are at http://launchpad.net/~popey [15:34] olli, will they all need to be statically linked? [15:34] kivi, no [15:34] kivi, I think I answered the question earlier [15:35] always remember to http://blamepopey.com/ [15:35] dholbach, you did; its for the general audience. [15:35] ah ok, sorry :) [15:35] QUESTION: As a developer, how should I be distributing apps so that it reaches a wide audience? (as snaps, deb?) [15:35] kivi, it's actually quite nice: unpack armhf .deb, copy library over, be done :) [15:35] wablablabla: what makes you think that HTML5 or QML games would cause problems on a phone? [15:35] kivi, and there's work in progress to automate this very very much [15:36] mhall119: Do you have a link to instructions? And would there be a reason for a casual user to do so? (not a developer but Ubuntu is all I use for everything) [15:36] mhall119: i have an ubuntu phone [15:36] and it gets really hot [15:36] wablablabla: so do I, and it gets hotter on apps that use the GPS radio than games [15:37] dshimer: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity8inLXC [15:37] QUESTION: Convergence also means "backward compatibility" with the applications currently running on Ubuntu Desktop? Or should they be re-packaged for UbuntuPhone? [15:38] wablablabla: in fact, Neverball is a fun 3D/OpenGL game that doesn't cause any problems on my phone [15:38] well, that's not QML, so maybe not a good example [15:38] Pathwind is QML though, and it runs fine [15:38] :P [15:38] remember that QML is a thin layer on top of Qt, which it itself very efficiently run on top of OpenGL [15:39] [QUESTION] If I buy a new ubuntu phone, I've to install the apps of my old phone individual, or they can install automatically? Like Android does... [15:39] bq_aquaris: not yet. [15:40] bq_aquaris: it's coming though, the app store is already able to remember what you've installed [15:40] QUESTION: Can Olli sing a song for us at the end, just like Jono used to do? [15:40] kivi: lol [15:41] death metal olli [15:41] nik90, o/ [15:41] olli: u might want to watch out for this :P ^ [15:41] nobody wants that [15:42] popey: I do, a little bit :) [15:42] QUESTION: Are we ever going to see an update to BlueZ 5 in Ubuntu? [15:43] UbuntuUser, the desktop team just had a meeting about this [15:43] dholbach, any progress? It's been a super long time since version 5 came out [15:43] UbuntuUser, maybe ask in #ubuntu-desktop [15:43] dholbach, OK thanks [15:43] UbuntuUser, I'm afraid I don't know [15:44] popey: If there were a Gnome-on-Air, I'd ask them the same question :) [15:44] As an application developer, I'd rather have one sandboxed container format to build for, not two. [15:44] thanks [15:45] QUESTION: Does landscape work on ubuntu phones? [15:46] When gonna be available Stickers on Ubuntu Phone? [15:46] Nunutu: do you mean in the Telegram app? [15:46] Ye [15:46] QUESTION: Does Canonical have any monetisation strategy with Ubuntu on the desktop? [15:46] Nunutu: /join #ubuntu-telegram and you can ask the developers [15:47] Nunutu: last I heard it was planned, but things like stability and getting videos working was higher priority [15:47] [QUESTION] Will the telegram app integrate the messages from the "messaging-app"? [15:47] Nunutu, feel free to subscribe to https://bugs.launchpad.net/libqtelegram/+bug/1419656 [15:47] Okay ty ^^ [15:47] np [15:47] * mhall119 also wants Stickers working on his phone [15:49] QUESTION: Does ongoing developement requarding selling HERE to some companies, anyway affect the HERE map integration in ubuntu touch? If then waht is the next choice for ubuntu phone? [15:50] Guest44652: we already use HERE maps on our commercial phones I think [15:50] QUESTION: So maybe technology like Miracast to share screen? [15:50] template for sdl is here: https://github.com/Sturmflut/ubuntu-touch-sdl-template [15:51] QUESTION: If you hook up a monitor to your ubuntu phone, how will you hook up a mouse and keyboard? Bluetooth? [15:51] FUD-driven-development :) [15:57] Is the UOA still up or ended? Asking cuz I was out for dinner and I'm in IRC client right now. (Lazy to open the webpage) [15:59] OhYash: yes, almost finished [15:59] since I'm guessing that they won't get to my question, is there a better place to ask it? [16:00] Oh, ok, the stream *just* hit the part where david explained how they're gonna handle it... thanks! [16:01] change from the car to a bike on the fly: very funny :) [16:01] Question: MIR will be a great step forward but how will that effect Steam on Ubuntu since Valve is using Debian as they're base? [16:02] their * base [16:03] #spellingnazi [16:03] :-) [16:03] NOPE! [16:03] THAT EXIT popey [16:03] thank's [16:03] :) [16:03] did just popey just leave the hangout :P [16:03] :D [16:04] nicely done [16:04] "Network issues" [16:04] haha [16:04] well done everyone :) [16:04] tons of fun.. Great great questions [16:04] we should do this again [16:04] Next tuesday! [16:04] Elvis has left the building [16:04] hah [16:04] kivi, nice one [16:04] thanks! [16:05] cheers [16:05] my blamepopey.com is still running [16:05] I should package this.. It's a great idle game :-) [16:05] haha [16:05] dpm, and I found out what "broke" my microphone - we had a usb-powered laptop cooler in the office today which I used because it was super hot, turned out that Ubuntu started believing it was a dock with its own microphone which confused the rest of the system........... [16:05] balloons: yes I waited for a while just to see what that game did :P [16:06] success! [16:06] thanks eveyone! [16:06] awesome session [16:06] gtg..bye [16:06] dpm, so there's no way around scorching hot hangouts [16:06] :09 [16:06] :-) [16:06] dholbach, that's even better than my excuse "car got towed because of a slide in the street where it was parked" [16:07] these stories [16:07] I think the germans are a little sun-scorched [16:07] yeah, my brain stopped working days ago [16:07] all right - I call it a day - see you all tomorrow :) [16:15] thanks everyone for joining [16:15] my network stack committed suicide right in time _after_ the HO [16:15] feel free to get in touch at any time [17:33] stream and irc working fine on mx4... :)