flocculant | knome pleia2 - could you social media LTS testing please :) | 06:17 |
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knome | wut | 06:17 |
flocculant | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2015-August/010839.html | 06:17 |
knome | i'll tweet | 06:18 |
flocculant | thanks knome :) | 06:18 |
knome | done | 06:18 |
knome | bbl | 06:39 |
ochosi | morning all | 06:46 |
flocculant | morning ochosi | 06:47 |
knome | hey ochosi | 07:10 |
knome | flocculant, what was it you thought potentially useful information from tracker? | 07:11 |
flocculant | for others - a sum of test report numbers | 07:12 |
knome | per milestone? | 07:12 |
knome | or per build? | 07:12 |
knome | or per cycle? | 07:12 |
flocculant | well | 07:12 |
knome | i can get any and each, fwiw | 07:12 |
flocculant | maybe a weekly running total | 07:12 |
knome | well - at least i believe so | 07:12 |
knome | that's the hardest one :D | 07:12 |
knome | but i'll see per milestone first | 07:13 |
ochosi | hehe | 07:13 |
flocculant | ha ha | 07:13 |
ochosi | nicely played, flocculant | 07:13 |
flocculant | well milestone is a now and again thing - not sure what use that is | 07:13 |
knome | flocculant, that's a starting point for further introspection | 07:13 |
flocculant | maybe - 2 - milestone(s) and daily(ies) | 07:14 |
knome | milestone being any milestone set in tracker | 07:14 |
knome | inluding daily | 07:14 |
flocculant | reason I say sum is assuming our tracker grabs numbers once a day | 07:14 |
knome | it can do it more often | 07:15 |
knome | i can also get xubuntu upgrade tests in there relatively easily | 07:15 |
flocculant | and if it is going to do so, grab before 10:00UTC | 07:15 |
knome | i can make it grab at 9:35:23 | 07:16 |
knome | if that's what you fancy | 07:16 |
flocculant | not going to be able to get into much discussion - getting sorted for work | 07:16 |
flocculant | that time would be ok - image builds ~10am | 07:16 |
knome | ok - let's see what comes of this | 07:16 |
flocculant | what *I* would love is a way to put in date x and date y and get numbers of tests done per milestone | 07:23 |
flocculant | I'll try and talk to dkessel and balloons about that | 07:24 |
knome | flocculant, i might be able to do that... it's not completely trivial, or a light operation, but it can be donw | 07:26 |
knome | *done | 07:27 |
flocculant | ok :) | 07:27 |
knome | it's better to do that in the tracker | 07:27 |
knome | but... | 07:27 |
knome | yeah. | 07:27 |
knome | $things are better done $elsewhere | 07:27 |
flocculant | yep - would be - but with tracker we have it's not possible to do that | 07:27 |
ochosi | flocculant: anything you want us to discuss in the meeting or will you be about? | 07:29 |
ochosi | (read "getting ready for work, so that sounded like you're not going to make it) | 07:29 |
flocculant | you could bring up trusty testing - woke up to that ... | 07:29 |
flocculant | knome: what I'd love to see from tracker is something like http://paste.ubuntu.com/11998490/ | 07:31 |
flocculant | might be best to report that as tracker bug | 07:31 |
knome | definitely... | 07:31 |
flocculant | ochosi: and no - not going to be here - so just trusty atm :) | 07:32 |
ochosi | alrighty :) | 07:32 |
flocculant | there'll be QA mails going to list - lots | 07:32 |
ochosi | anything you want us to discuss concretely or shall we just #info it? | 07:32 |
flocculant | just want to get trusty done first | 07:32 |
flocculant | info will do :) | 07:32 |
ochosi | okeydokey :) | 07:33 |
flocculant | knome: I thought as much :) | 07:33 |
flocculant | might get lost today in change to fibre broadband - if I do I'll see you tomorrow :) | 07:36 |
flocculant | bbl | 07:36 |
ochosi | okeydokey, hf flocculant :) | 07:36 |
ochosi | !team | meeting in 30mins | 08:02 |
ubottu | meeting in 30mins: bluesabre, jjfrv8, knome, lderan, micahg, Noskcaj, ochosi, pleia2, slickymaster, Unit193 | 08:02 |
ochosi | alrighty | 08:31 |
ochosi | #startmeeting | 08:31 |
meetingology | Meeting started Tue Aug 4 08:31:16 2015 UTC. The chair is ochosi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. | 08:31 |
meetingology | Available commands: action commands idea info link nick | 08:31 |
ochosi | !team | meeting time! | 08:31 |
ubottu | meeting time!: bluesabre, jjfrv8, knome, lderan, micahg, Noskcaj, ochosi, pleia2, slickymaster, Unit193 | 08:31 |
ochosi | welcome everybody, who's about? | 08:31 |
knome | o– | 08:31 |
ochosi | hm, menage a deux? :) | 08:33 |
ochosi | wake up Unit193! | 08:33 |
ObrienDave | he's sleeping ;P | 08:33 |
knome | ObrienDave, isn't that when you tell somebody to wake up? | 08:33 |
ochosi | yeah, seemingly went bacak to bed | 08:33 |
ochosi | that sucks, the first work item is for him :) | 08:34 |
knome | ochosi, my action is done | 08:34 |
ochosi | oh perfect, a netsplit | 08:35 |
knome | time for secret decisions! | 08:35 |
ochosi | :p | 08:36 |
knome | boring meeting | 08:37 |
ochosi | well, i guess we can come back to the open action items later | 08:37 |
knome | is this why i'm up before noon? | 08:37 |
knome | ;)= | 08:37 |
ochosi | #topic Open action items | 08:37 |
ochosi | knome: you mentioned something about having completed something there? | 08:38 |
knome | yes, my only open action item | 08:38 |
ochosi | oddly, i only see the xubuntu-dev action item as open from last meeting | 08:38 |
knome | take the garbage out of your eye | 08:38 |
ochosi | oh | 08:39 |
ochosi | there it is | 08:39 |
knome | yes, under the "Action items, by person" header | 08:39 |
knome | it's very confusing, i know! | 08:39 |
ochosi | hehe | 08:39 |
ochosi | only looked at the top of the summary therer | 08:39 |
ochosi | so anyway, Unit193 ? | 08:39 |
ochosi | any news on xubuntu-dev to review requirements for xubuntu-core iso, investigating patches to livecd-rootfs, ubuntu-cdimage and debian-cd ? | 08:40 |
knome | i saw a patch for that yesterday | 08:40 |
knome | http://paste.openstack.org/show/5KhCuR1s4j0RGIc5sav0/ | 08:40 |
ochosi | right, i've seen that one before too | 08:40 |
knome | but - i don't know what that is supposed to be a patch against | 08:40 |
Unit193 | livecd-rootfs | 08:41 |
knome | i tried to get Unit193 push it into a branch so we could have nice MPs... | 08:41 |
ochosi | +1 | 08:41 |
Unit193 | Doubt it's ready for that. | 08:41 |
knome | for "what" exactly? | 08:41 |
ochosi | also, Unit193, would you mind splitting up the workitem in the blueprint a bit? | 08:41 |
knome | that would be nice. | 08:42 |
Unit193 | Wouldn't mind. | 08:42 |
knome | Unit193, split it up - you'll got to keep all pieces though | 08:42 |
knome | *get | 08:42 |
knome | anyway, please do MPs | 08:42 |
ochosi | #action Unit193 to split up the xubuntu-core workitem on the blueprint to be able to track the progress better | 08:43 |
meetingology | ACTION: Unit193 to split up the xubuntu-core workitem on the blueprint to be able to track the progress better | 08:43 |
Unit193 | When they're ready. | 08:43 |
knome | Unit193, thanks. | 08:43 |
Unit193 | ochosi: Split it however you like. | 08:43 |
ochosi | actually MPs can be updated easily | 08:43 |
ochosi | Unit193: wait, that was your action item | 08:43 |
ochosi | also, iirc micahg said he would help, but wasn't sure what part you needed help with, so just create a workitem for him that tells him what to do | 08:43 |
knome | and MPs need branches, so you can push to a branch and do a MP once the branch is ready for a merge... but i don't really care if you prepare and do MPs once stuff is ready | 08:43 |
ochosi | uhm right, since it's obviously early and Unit193 doesn't seem to want to discuss this any further, let's move on... | 08:45 |
ochosi | #topic Team updates | 08:45 |
Unit193 | ochosi: Not much to say, so I said little. :P | 08:45 |
ochosi | frankly, the paste you link to every now and then tells me practically nothing, so i really wouldn't know where you stand on the matter and how to help | 08:46 |
knome | #done knome improved the status tracker and fixed some bugs (assigned bugs are now correctly assigned to the assignee) | 08:47 |
ochosi | Unit193: maybe micah understands the livecd stuff, but in that case just create a workitem for him to review some branches of yours (before that you obviously have to push some branches) | 08:47 |
knome | #done knome started looking at the QA trackers XML-RPC interface | 08:47 |
knome | #undo | 08:47 |
knome | ochosi, ^^please #undo | 08:47 |
ochosi | #undo | 08:47 |
meetingology | Removing item from minutes: TOPIC | 08:47 |
knome | what? | 08:47 |
knome | :'( | 08:47 |
ochosi | awesome | 08:47 |
knome | lderan!!! | 08:47 |
ochosi | the #done thing doesn't really work it seems | 08:48 |
ochosi | #topic Team updates | 08:48 |
knome | not when undoing, it seems... | 08:48 |
knome | #done knome improved the status tracker and fixed some bugs (assigned bugs are now correctly assigned to the assignee) | 08:48 |
knome | #done knome started looking at the QA trackers XML-RPC interface in preparation to pulling data to the tracker | 08:48 |
ochosi | #info ochosi pushed several updates to Greybird to improve the look of CSDs, can be tested via the shimmer-daily PPA | 08:49 |
knome | #done knome updated the "For Derivatives" page on the website - landing the preliminary package list with xubuntu branding - feedback welcome from developers | 08:49 |
ochosi | #info ochosi started working on an "a11y" version of Greybird's window manager theme, WIP can be checked out and commented on here: https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird/tree/xfwm4-a11y | 08:50 |
knome | #done knome worked on PDF exports for the documentation; basic exports are now ready to go | 08:51 |
ochosi | nice one | 08:51 |
knome | #done krytarik updated the Makefiles for the documentation | 08:51 |
knome | #nick krytarik | 08:51 |
ochosi | hmright, i'm done, anything/anyone else? | 08:53 |
knome | hmm i guess yes | 08:53 |
knome | to be complete | 08:53 |
knome | #done knome added a burndown chart for the status tracker | 08:53 |
ochosi | #done bluesabre and micahg uploaded shimmer-themes 2.0.0 to wily | 08:54 |
ochosi | mkay, then let's move on | 08:54 |
ochosi | #topic Announcements | 08:54 |
ochosi | #info there's a new 14.04 LTS point release coming up, please help with testing! | 08:55 |
Unit193 | Mmm, indeed. | 08:55 |
knome | #info more information at https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2015-August/010839.html | 08:55 |
knome | (slightly, but more) | 08:55 |
ochosi | darn, beat me to it :) | 08:55 |
* ochosi empties his paste-cache | 08:56 | |
Unit193 | Mica forwarded one that was more. | 08:56 |
knome | #info General information on 14.04.3: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2015-August/010838.html | 08:56 |
ochosi | good good | 08:56 |
ochosi | any other announcements? | 08:58 |
knome | nope | 08:58 |
ochosi | ok good, let's move on then | 09:00 |
ochosi | #topic Discussion | 09:00 |
ochosi | knome: anything you wanna discuss wrt tracker? | 09:00 |
knome | not really, unless anybody has feature requests or complaints | 09:01 |
knome | or have found bugs | 09:01 |
ochosi | no complaints, this is really awesome sauce | 09:01 |
knome | good to hear | 09:01 |
ochosi | i'd love to see it hooked up to xubuntu.org asap | 09:01 |
knome | well, one thing i just figured out would be great too: | 09:01 |
knome | when a work item gets marked done, save an entry to the database | 09:01 |
knome | so we can track when certain things have happened | 09:02 |
knome | useful for the team updates too | 09:02 |
knome | or maybe even replaces | 09:02 |
knome | unless there is something that doesn't fit into work items | 09:02 |
ochosi | mm, right | 09:02 |
ochosi | how do you do that for the burndown now? | 09:02 |
ochosi | or is that just the sum that you save there | 09:02 |
knome | just save a done/inprogress/total of items | 09:02 |
ochosi | right, so you're considering individual workitem dates | 09:03 |
ochosi | makes sense to me | 09:03 |
knome | yes, but just as a list | 09:03 |
knome | eg. no more/different burndown charts | 09:03 |
Unit193 | Going to put it on the /dev page? | 09:03 |
knome | Unit193, at some point maybe. | 09:03 |
knome | i'd rather get some hosting that is not mine. | 09:03 |
Unit193 | Or rather more useful, in this topic. | 09:03 |
knome | and get it hooked | 09:04 |
knome | i will have to talk about that, likely with pleia2 | 09:04 |
ochosi | mhm, indeed | 09:04 |
ochosi | knome: workitem? ;) | 09:04 |
knome | maybe | 09:04 |
knome | i just added a few already... | 09:04 |
knome | if you look at the details page, i have loads... | 09:04 |
ochosi | anyway, i guess the email reminders/summaries will be really helpful too | 09:05 |
knome | more than any individual | 09:05 |
ochosi | yeah i know | 09:05 |
knome | yeah, i should hook that up | 09:05 |
ochosi | but you're known to be workitem-king | 09:05 |
knome | hah | 09:05 |
ochosi | i think you've been for several cycles | 09:05 |
knome | yeah, i'm not saying "i'm doing more", i'm just saying "yes, i will track work"... | 09:05 |
ochosi | yeah, but that's quite good | 09:05 |
ochosi | it has taken some time for me to appreciate the usefulness of that | 09:06 |
knome | ok, i have another discussion item | 09:06 |
knome | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2015-March/010670.html | 09:06 |
ochosi | anyhow, apart from the email feature i have the feeling that the tracker is rather feature-complete atm | 09:07 |
knome | from the UI yes, but not the admin UI; there is literally no admin UI | 09:07 |
knome | and many things are hardcoded | 09:07 |
knome | so i'll need to consider how i will want to manage that in the future | 09:07 |
ochosi | right, but i'm not sure there was any admin interface to status.ubuntu.com | 09:07 |
knome | i don't think so | 09:08 |
ochosi | but yeah, that'd be another feature | 09:08 |
knome | but that doesn't mean we shouldn't have one | 09:08 |
ochosi | indeed | 09:08 |
knome | there are a few things that would be "nice to have" regarding that, so.. | 09:08 |
ochosi | #subtopic Seeds & Composition XSD Review | 09:08 |
knome | so anyway | 09:08 |
knome | that | 09:08 |
knome | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2015-March/010670.html | 09:08 |
knome | i believe the outcome of that thread was that people are fine with it | 09:09 |
knome | though, i didn't get any comments from eg. micahg, who said he wanted to comment | 09:09 |
ochosi | yes | 09:09 |
ochosi | i'd say we update it now as it is clearly better than what we have | 09:09 |
knome | otoh, it's 5 months since the thread began... | 09:09 |
ochosi | if he has concerns he can always mention them and we can try to work them out | 09:10 |
Unit193 | I think I made comments on that. | 09:10 |
knome | yes... we likely have a pad for that | 09:10 |
knome | but where... | 09:10 |
knome | http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-sd-seeds-composition | 09:11 |
knome | that's the one | 09:11 |
knome | so i believe that's the version we want | 09:11 |
ochosi | ah yeah, i remember that one | 09:11 |
knome | Unit193, would you say your concerns are addressed in that version? | 09:12 |
Unit193 | I don't remember so I'll say 'sure' | 09:12 |
ochosi | heh | 09:12 |
ochosi | that's the spirit | 09:12 |
ochosi | :) | 09:12 |
knome | can you check it, please? | 09:12 |
knome | the brownish color is Unit193 | 09:13 |
Unit193 | * The package should be maintained well upstream hrm.. | 09:14 |
knome | "The above guidelines can be omitted when there are extensive benefits to seeding the package, ..." | 09:15 |
knome | this is a strategy document, it's idealist, we'll never get tehre | 09:15 |
Unit193 | (Also, if we have 'well', can't it be 'well maintained'?) | 09:16 |
knome | but it's good to have a goal | 09:16 |
Unit193 | Hah. | 09:16 |
knome | ok, so ochosi, will you do the honors of updating the wiki, or shall i? | 09:16 |
ochosi | knome: thou shallst | 09:16 |
knome | #action knome to update the Strategy Document wiki page with the new "Seeds & Composition" section | 09:17 |
meetingology | ACTION: knome to update the Strategy Document wiki page with the new "Seeds & Composition" section | 09:17 |
ochosi | alrighty | 09:17 |
ochosi | is that it or is there more to discuss? | 09:17 |
knome | i think that's about it | 09:17 |
knome | wait | 09:18 |
ochosi | Unit193: anything else from your side? | 09:18 |
knome | #undo the last item | 09:18 |
* ochosi waits | 09:18 | |
knome | i did it already | 09:18 |
ochosi | #undo | 09:18 |
meetingology | Removing item from minutes: ACTION | 09:18 |
knome | ta | 09:18 |
Unit193 | Not that I can think of. | 09:18 |
Unit193 | I wouldn't know, ask krytarik. | 09:18 |
Unit193 | :D | 09:18 |
ochosi | ok, then let's conclude that part and the meeting ftm | 09:18 |
ochosi | #Schedule next meeting | 09:18 |
ochosi | argh | 09:18 |
knome | hah | 09:18 |
ochosi | do i have to undo that? | 09:19 |
ochosi | or will the clowns eat me if i try | 09:19 |
knome | no | 09:19 |
ochosi | #topic Schedule next meeting | 09:19 |
knome | it isn't recognised as a command | 09:19 |
ochosi | #info slickymaster is to schedule the next meeting | 09:20 |
knome | boo, Unit193 isn't the next chair | 09:20 |
ochosi | #endmeeting | 09:20 |
meetingology | Meeting ended Tue Aug 4 09:20:15 2015 UTC. | 09:20 |
meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2015/xubuntu-devel.2015-08-04-08.31.moin.txt | 09:20 |
knome | that would have been the cherry on top of the cake topping | 09:20 |
ochosi | hehe indeed | 09:20 |
Unit193 | Good, that'd be bad. | 09:20 |
knome | thanks ochosi | 09:20 |
Unit193 | Too many meetings with nothing on the agenda. | 09:20 |
* ochosi considers to change the order on the meetings page | 09:20 | |
Unit193 | Yes. | 09:20 |
ochosi | thanks y'all | 09:20 |
knome | ochosi, if you ordered by team name alphabetically... | 09:21 |
knome | XPL -> Artwork -> Debian | 09:21 |
ochosi | ok, minutes are up | 09:24 |
ochosi | alrighty, gotta take off | 09:24 |
ochosi | have a nice day everyone! | 09:24 |
knome | have a nice day | 09:24 |
ochosi | and sorry again for the odd meeting time | 09:25 |
Unit193 | Works better than others.. | 09:25 |
bluesabre | woops, meeting | 10:42 |
flocculant | can someone check that cdimage isn't just playing up for me please - http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/20150804/wily-desktop-amd64.iso | 16:13 |
flocculant | getting network unreachable - but I've had internet work going on here | 16:14 |
drc | looks like I'm grabbing it... | 16:15 |
flocculant | ... looks like I can grab ubuntu's daily ok :| | 16:15 |
flocculant | which is not helpful :p | 16:15 |
krytarik | flocculant: Same here though - the entirety of cdimage. | 16:17 |
flocculant | krytarik: dead do you mean? | 16:17 |
krytarik | Yap. | 16:17 |
flocculant | ok - perhaps the big pipe across the pond has a leak then :p | 16:17 |
drc | OK, I'm confused. I can go to http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/20150804/ and grab anything I see...what am I doing wrong? :) | 16:18 |
flocculant | though - I appear to be able to connect with f/fox but not wget nor with zsync | 16:18 |
flocculant | drc: it's downloading ok for you? | 16:18 |
drc | so far, but remember the other day when it failed at the end... | 16:19 |
flocculant | heh | 16:19 |
flocculant | today's cdbuild log for us ends with "ssh: connect to host goldenapple.canonical.com port 22: Connection timed out" | 16:19 |
krytarik | flocculant: Only we are on the same side of pond. :P | 16:19 |
krytarik | + the | 16:20 |
flocculant | yea - and it's not working for us - or for me - it works a bit :D | 16:20 |
flocculant | krytarik: did you try with a browser or? | 16:20 |
krytarik | Yep, FF. | 16:20 |
flocculant | oh - now it's working with wget ... | 16:20 |
krytarik | Was going to mention that. | 16:20 |
drc | now...what am I going to do with a spare 15.10 daily image? | 16:21 |
flocculant | test it :D | 16:22 |
krytarik | Seems to be working here too now. | 16:22 |
drc | you thin it has rabies? | 16:22 |
flocculant | wget working - zsync was still failing ... | 16:22 |
flocculant | drc: for sure | 16:22 |
pleia2 | flocculant: knome got twitter, updated fb and G+ | 16:22 |
flocculant | pleia2: thanks :) | 16:22 |
drc | DL'd completely | 16:23 |
flocculant | drc: ok - cheers | 16:23 |
flocculant | something's up somewhere | 16:23 |
drc | GCHQ must have gotten back from their tea break and decided to play with you :) | 16:24 |
flocculant | at least krytarik proved it wasn't dodgy isp's for me :) | 16:24 |
krytarik | LOL - yes. | 16:24 |
drc | hehe...14.04.3 support requests starting already...and it's not even out :) | 16:25 |
flocculant | an unlucky tester ;) | 16:26 |
krytarik | That's just usual updates though. | 16:28 |
krytarik | Tada! :P - http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/b/base-files/base-files_7.2ubuntu5.3/changelog | 16:29 |
flocculant | even so - surely it shouldn't be updat/grading to .3 if it's not been released | 16:29 |
flocculant | ok - so they upgraded the number assuming that the world wouldn't collapse between then and Thursday :p | 16:31 |
drc | ignorance here...can one "upgrade" before a release (i.e., a daily not an alpha/beta/releease). | 16:32 |
flocculant | not a clue | 16:32 |
flocculant | these point releases I guess are oddballs anyway | 16:33 |
krytarik | Hah, this one still lives :P - http://paste.openstack.org/show/LD8ALdFLOmjjIXfpC0K9/ | 17:12 |
ochosi | bluesabre: what did you think of my lame mockup for xfpanel-switch btw? | 22:57 |
bluesabre | hm, which one? | 22:57 |
ochosi | posted it a day ago or so | 22:58 |
ochosi | let me dig it up again or repost... | 22:58 |
ochosi | there it is again: http://imgur.com/nLK2ZD6 | 22:58 |
ochosi | this would be the place i'd include it somehow | 22:59 |
ochosi | not sure yet of the label, that's more of a placeholder really | 22:59 |
bluesabre | wow | 23:03 |
bluesabre | that is lame | 23:03 |
bluesabre | :p | 23:03 |
bluesabre | sure, if we can find a nice way to stick it in there | 23:03 |
ochosi | hehe yeah i know | 23:14 |
ochosi | i did announce the lameness part though | 23:14 |
ochosi | so no surprises there | 23:14 |
ochosi | however, i thought about it a bit and i guess having a single button from which to launch the app is sufficient. deeper integration would basically mean patching it all directly into the panel | 23:15 |
ochosi | and i wonder whether it wouldn't be good to close the panel preferences upon opening xfpanel-switch | 23:16 |
ochosi | might crash anyway when the panel gets restarted | 23:16 |
bluesabre | pretty likely :) | 23:20 |
bluesabre | 2 menulibre bug fixes in one night, I'm on a roll | 23:20 |
bluesabre | :D | 23:20 |
ochosi | heh | 23:22 |
Unit193 | micahg: lp:~unit193/debian-cd/xubuntu-core lp:~unit193/livecd-rootfs/xubuntu-core | 23:27 |
cjbayliss | ochosi: maybe put the "Load/Save Configuration" between the "Help" and "Close" buttons? | 23:42 |
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