[06:17] knome pleia2 - could you social media LTS testing please :) [06:17] wut [06:17] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2015-August/010839.html [06:18] i'll tweet [06:18] thanks knome :) [06:18] done [06:39] bbl [06:46] morning all [06:47] morning ochosi [07:10] hey ochosi [07:11] flocculant, what was it you thought potentially useful information from tracker? [07:12] for others - a sum of test report numbers [07:12] per milestone? [07:12] or per build? [07:12] or per cycle? [07:12] well [07:12] i can get any and each, fwiw [07:12] maybe a weekly running total [07:12] well - at least i believe so [07:12] that's the hardest one :D [07:13] but i'll see per milestone first [07:13] hehe [07:13] ha ha [07:13] nicely played, flocculant [07:13] well milestone is a now and again thing - not sure what use that is [07:13] flocculant, that's a starting point for further introspection [07:14] maybe - 2 - milestone(s) and daily(ies) [07:14] milestone being any milestone set in tracker [07:14] inluding daily [07:14] reason I say sum is assuming our tracker grabs numbers once a day [07:15] it can do it more often [07:15] i can also get xubuntu upgrade tests in there relatively easily [07:15] and if it is going to do so, grab before 10:00UTC [07:16] i can make it grab at 9:35:23 [07:16] if that's what you fancy [07:16] not going to be able to get into much discussion - getting sorted for work [07:16] that time would be ok - image builds ~10am [07:16] ok - let's see what comes of this [07:23] what *I* would love is a way to put in date x and date y and get numbers of tests done per milestone [07:24] I'll try and talk to dkessel and balloons about that [07:26] flocculant, i might be able to do that... it's not completely trivial, or a light operation, but it can be donw [07:27] *done [07:27] ok :) [07:27] it's better to do that in the tracker [07:27] but... [07:27] yeah. [07:27] $things are better done $elsewhere [07:27] yep - would be - but with tracker we have it's not possible to do that [07:29] flocculant: anything you want us to discuss in the meeting or will you be about? [07:29] (read "getting ready for work, so that sounded like you're not going to make it) [07:29] you could bring up trusty testing - woke up to that ... [07:31] knome: what I'd love to see from tracker is something like http://paste.ubuntu.com/11998490/ [07:31] might be best to report that as tracker bug [07:31] definitely... [07:32] ochosi: and no - not going to be here - so just trusty atm :) [07:32] alrighty :) [07:32] there'll be QA mails going to list - lots [07:32] anything you want us to discuss concretely or shall we just #info it? [07:32] just want to get trusty done first [07:32] info will do :) [07:33] okeydokey :) [07:33] knome: I thought as much :) [07:36] might get lost today in change to fibre broadband - if I do I'll see you tomorrow :) [07:36] bbl [07:36] okeydokey, hf flocculant :) [08:02] !team | meeting in 30mins [08:02] meeting in 30mins: bluesabre, jjfrv8, knome, lderan, micahg, Noskcaj, ochosi, pleia2, slickymaster, Unit193 [08:31] alrighty [08:31] #startmeeting [08:31] Meeting started Tue Aug 4 08:31:16 2015 UTC. The chair is ochosi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [08:31] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick [08:31] !team | meeting time! [08:31] meeting time!: bluesabre, jjfrv8, knome, lderan, micahg, Noskcaj, ochosi, pleia2, slickymaster, Unit193 [08:31] welcome everybody, who's about? [08:31] o– [08:33] hm, menage a deux? :) [08:33] wake up Unit193! [08:33] he's sleeping ;P [08:33] ObrienDave, isn't that when you tell somebody to wake up? [08:33] yeah, seemingly went bacak to bed [08:34] that sucks, the first work item is for him :) [08:34] ochosi, my action is done [08:35] oh perfect, a netsplit [08:35] time for secret decisions! [08:36] :p [08:37] boring meeting [08:37] well, i guess we can come back to the open action items later [08:37] is this why i'm up before noon? [08:37] ;)= [08:37] #topic Open action items [08:38] knome: you mentioned something about having completed something there? [08:38] yes, my only open action item [08:38] oddly, i only see the xubuntu-dev action item as open from last meeting [08:38] take the garbage out of your eye [08:39] oh [08:39] there it is [08:39] yes, under the "Action items, by person" header [08:39] it's very confusing, i know! [08:39] hehe [08:39] only looked at the top of the summary therer [08:39] so anyway, Unit193 ? [08:40] any news on xubuntu-dev to review requirements for xubuntu-core iso, investigating patches to livecd-rootfs, ubuntu-cdimage and debian-cd ? [08:40] i saw a patch for that yesterday [08:40] http://paste.openstack.org/show/5KhCuR1s4j0RGIc5sav0/ [08:40] right, i've seen that one before too [08:40] but - i don't know what that is supposed to be a patch against [08:41] livecd-rootfs [08:41] i tried to get Unit193 push it into a branch so we could have nice MPs... [08:41] +1 [08:41] Doubt it's ready for that. [08:41] for "what" exactly? [08:41] also, Unit193, would you mind splitting up the workitem in the blueprint a bit? [08:42] that would be nice. [08:42] Wouldn't mind. [08:42] Unit193, split it up - you'll got to keep all pieces though [08:42] *get [08:42] anyway, please do MPs [08:43] #action Unit193 to split up the xubuntu-core workitem on the blueprint to be able to track the progress better [08:43] ACTION: Unit193 to split up the xubuntu-core workitem on the blueprint to be able to track the progress better [08:43] When they're ready. [08:43] Unit193, thanks. [08:43] ochosi: Split it however you like. [08:43] actually MPs can be updated easily [08:43] Unit193: wait, that was your action item [08:43] also, iirc micahg said he would help, but wasn't sure what part you needed help with, so just create a workitem for him that tells him what to do [08:43] and MPs need branches, so you can push to a branch and do a MP once the branch is ready for a merge... but i don't really care if you prepare and do MPs once stuff is ready [08:45] uhm right, since it's obviously early and Unit193 doesn't seem to want to discuss this any further, let's move on... [08:45] #topic Team updates [08:45] ochosi: Not much to say, so I said little. :P [08:46] frankly, the paste you link to every now and then tells me practically nothing, so i really wouldn't know where you stand on the matter and how to help [08:47] #done knome improved the status tracker and fixed some bugs (assigned bugs are now correctly assigned to the assignee) [08:47] Unit193: maybe micah understands the livecd stuff, but in that case just create a workitem for him to review some branches of yours (before that you obviously have to push some branches) [08:47] #done knome started looking at the QA trackers XML-RPC interface [08:47] #undo [08:47] ochosi, ^^please #undo [08:47] #undo [08:47] Removing item from minutes: TOPIC [08:47] what? [08:47] :'( [08:47] awesome [08:47] lderan!!! [08:48] the #done thing doesn't really work it seems [08:48] #topic Team updates [08:48] not when undoing, it seems... [08:48] #done knome improved the status tracker and fixed some bugs (assigned bugs are now correctly assigned to the assignee) [08:48] #done knome started looking at the QA trackers XML-RPC interface in preparation to pulling data to the tracker [08:49] #info ochosi pushed several updates to Greybird to improve the look of CSDs, can be tested via the shimmer-daily PPA [08:49] #done knome updated the "For Derivatives" page on the website - landing the preliminary package list with xubuntu branding - feedback welcome from developers [08:50] #info ochosi started working on an "a11y" version of Greybird's window manager theme, WIP can be checked out and commented on here: https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird/tree/xfwm4-a11y [08:51] #done knome worked on PDF exports for the documentation; basic exports are now ready to go [08:51] nice one [08:51] #done krytarik updated the Makefiles for the documentation [08:51] #nick krytarik [08:53] hmright, i'm done, anything/anyone else? [08:53] hmm i guess yes [08:53] to be complete [08:53] #done knome added a burndown chart for the status tracker [08:54] #done bluesabre and micahg uploaded shimmer-themes 2.0.0 to wily [08:54] mkay, then let's move on [08:54] #topic Announcements [08:55] #info there's a new 14.04 LTS point release coming up, please help with testing! [08:55] Mmm, indeed. [08:55] #info more information at https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2015-August/010839.html [08:55] (slightly, but more) [08:55] darn, beat me to it :) [08:56] * ochosi empties his paste-cache [08:56] Mica forwarded one that was more. [08:56] #info General information on 14.04.3: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2015-August/010838.html [08:56] good good [08:58] any other announcements? [08:58] nope [09:00] ok good, let's move on then [09:00] #topic Discussion [09:00] knome: anything you wanna discuss wrt tracker? [09:01] not really, unless anybody has feature requests or complaints [09:01] or have found bugs [09:01] no complaints, this is really awesome sauce [09:01] good to hear [09:01] i'd love to see it hooked up to xubuntu.org asap [09:01] well, one thing i just figured out would be great too: [09:01] when a work item gets marked done, save an entry to the database [09:02] so we can track when certain things have happened [09:02] useful for the team updates too [09:02] or maybe even replaces [09:02] unless there is something that doesn't fit into work items [09:02] mm, right [09:02] how do you do that for the burndown now? [09:02] or is that just the sum that you save there [09:02] just save a done/inprogress/total of items [09:03] right, so you're considering individual workitem dates [09:03] makes sense to me [09:03] yes, but just as a list [09:03] eg. no more/different burndown charts [09:03] Going to put it on the /dev page? [09:03] Unit193, at some point maybe. [09:03] i'd rather get some hosting that is not mine. [09:03] Or rather more useful, in this topic. [09:04] and get it hooked [09:04] i will have to talk about that, likely with pleia2 [09:04] mhm, indeed [09:04] knome: workitem? ;) [09:04] maybe [09:04] i just added a few already... [09:04] if you look at the details page, i have loads... [09:05] anyway, i guess the email reminders/summaries will be really helpful too [09:05] more than any individual [09:05] yeah i know [09:05] yeah, i should hook that up [09:05] but you're known to be workitem-king [09:05] hah [09:05] i think you've been for several cycles [09:05] yeah, i'm not saying "i'm doing more", i'm just saying "yes, i will track work"... [09:05] yeah, but that's quite good [09:06] it has taken some time for me to appreciate the usefulness of that [09:06] ok, i have another discussion item [09:06] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2015-March/010670.html [09:07] anyhow, apart from the email feature i have the feeling that the tracker is rather feature-complete atm [09:07] from the UI yes, but not the admin UI; there is literally no admin UI [09:07] and many things are hardcoded [09:07] so i'll need to consider how i will want to manage that in the future [09:07] right, but i'm not sure there was any admin interface to status.ubuntu.com [09:08] i don't think so [09:08] but yeah, that'd be another feature [09:08] but that doesn't mean we shouldn't have one [09:08] indeed [09:08] there are a few things that would be "nice to have" regarding that, so.. [09:08] #subtopic Seeds & Composition XSD Review [09:08] so anyway [09:08] that [09:08] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2015-March/010670.html [09:09] i believe the outcome of that thread was that people are fine with it [09:09] though, i didn't get any comments from eg. micahg, who said he wanted to comment [09:09] yes [09:09] i'd say we update it now as it is clearly better than what we have [09:09] otoh, it's 5 months since the thread began... [09:10] if he has concerns he can always mention them and we can try to work them out [09:10] I think I made comments on that. [09:10] yes... we likely have a pad for that [09:10] but where... [09:11] http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-sd-seeds-composition [09:11] that's the one [09:11] so i believe that's the version we want [09:11] ah yeah, i remember that one [09:12] Unit193, would you say your concerns are addressed in that version? [09:12] I don't remember so I'll say 'sure' [09:12] heh [09:12] that's the spirit [09:12] :) [09:12] can you check it, please? [09:13] the brownish color is Unit193 [09:14] * The package should be maintained well upstream hrm.. [09:15] "The above guidelines can be omitted when there are extensive benefits to seeding the package, ..." [09:15] this is a strategy document, it's idealist, we'll never get tehre [09:16] (Also, if we have 'well', can't it be 'well maintained'?) [09:16] but it's good to have a goal [09:16] Hah. [09:16] ok, so ochosi, will you do the honors of updating the wiki, or shall i? [09:16] knome: thou shallst [09:17] #action knome to update the Strategy Document wiki page with the new "Seeds & Composition" section [09:17] ACTION: knome to update the Strategy Document wiki page with the new "Seeds & Composition" section [09:17] alrighty [09:17] is that it or is there more to discuss? [09:17] i think that's about it [09:18] wait [09:18] Unit193: anything else from your side? [09:18] #undo the last item [09:18] * ochosi waits [09:18] i did it already [09:18] #undo [09:18] Removing item from minutes: ACTION [09:18] ta [09:18] Not that I can think of. [09:18] I wouldn't know, ask krytarik. [09:18] :D [09:18] ok, then let's conclude that part and the meeting ftm [09:18] #Schedule next meeting [09:18] argh [09:18] hah [09:19] do i have to undo that? [09:19] or will the clowns eat me if i try [09:19] no [09:19] #topic Schedule next meeting [09:19] it isn't recognised as a command [09:20] #info slickymaster is to schedule the next meeting [09:20] boo, Unit193 isn't the next chair [09:20] #endmeeting [09:20] Meeting ended Tue Aug 4 09:20:15 2015 UTC. [09:20] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2015/xubuntu-devel.2015-08-04-08.31.moin.txt [09:20] that would have been the cherry on top of the cake topping [09:20] hehe indeed [09:20] Good, that'd be bad. [09:20] thanks ochosi [09:20] Too many meetings with nothing on the agenda. [09:20] * ochosi considers to change the order on the meetings page [09:20] Yes. [09:20] thanks y'all [09:21] ochosi, if you ordered by team name alphabetically... [09:21] XPL -> Artwork -> Debian [09:24] ok, minutes are up [09:24] alrighty, gotta take off [09:24] have a nice day everyone! [09:24] have a nice day [09:25] and sorry again for the odd meeting time [09:25] Works better than others.. [10:42] woops, meeting [16:13] can someone check that cdimage isn't just playing up for me please - http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/20150804/wily-desktop-amd64.iso [16:14] getting network unreachable - but I've had internet work going on here [16:15] looks like I'm grabbing it... [16:15] ... looks like I can grab ubuntu's daily ok :| [16:15] which is not helpful :p [16:17] flocculant: Same here though - the entirety of cdimage. [16:17] krytarik: dead do you mean? [16:17] Yap. [16:17] ok - perhaps the big pipe across the pond has a leak then :p [16:18] OK, I'm confused. I can go to http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/20150804/ and grab anything I see...what am I doing wrong? :) [16:18] though - I appear to be able to connect with f/fox but not wget nor with zsync [16:18] drc: it's downloading ok for you? [16:19] so far, but remember the other day when it failed at the end... [16:19] heh [16:19] today's cdbuild log for us ends with "ssh: connect to host goldenapple.canonical.com port 22: Connection timed out" [16:19] flocculant: Only we are on the same side of pond. :P [16:20] + the [16:20] yea - and it's not working for us - or for me - it works a bit :D [16:20] krytarik: did you try with a browser or? [16:20] Yep, FF. [16:20] oh - now it's working with wget ... [16:20] Was going to mention that. [16:21] now...what am I going to do with a spare 15.10 daily image? [16:22] test it :D [16:22] Seems to be working here too now. [16:22] you thin it has rabies? [16:22] wget working - zsync was still failing ... [16:22] drc: for sure [16:22] flocculant: knome got twitter, updated fb and G+ [16:22] pleia2: thanks :) [16:23] DL'd completely [16:23] drc: ok - cheers [16:23] something's up somewhere [16:24] GCHQ must have gotten back from their tea break and decided to play with you :) [16:24] at least krytarik proved it wasn't dodgy isp's for me :) [16:24] LOL - yes. [16:25] hehe...14.04.3 support requests starting already...and it's not even out :) [16:26] an unlucky tester ;) [16:28] That's just usual updates though. [16:29] Tada! :P - http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/b/base-files/base-files_7.2ubuntu5.3/changelog [16:29] even so - surely it shouldn't be updat/grading to .3 if it's not been released [16:31] ok - so they upgraded the number assuming that the world wouldn't collapse between then and Thursday :p [16:32] ignorance here...can one "upgrade" before a release (i.e., a daily not an alpha/beta/releease). [16:32] not a clue [16:33] these point releases I guess are oddballs anyway [17:12] Hah, this one still lives :P - http://paste.openstack.org/show/LD8ALdFLOmjjIXfpC0K9/ [22:57] bluesabre: what did you think of my lame mockup for xfpanel-switch btw? [22:57] hm, which one? [22:58] posted it a day ago or so [22:58] let me dig it up again or repost... [22:58] there it is again: http://imgur.com/nLK2ZD6 [22:59] this would be the place i'd include it somehow [22:59] not sure yet of the label, that's more of a placeholder really [23:03] wow [23:03] that is lame [23:03] :p [23:03] sure, if we can find a nice way to stick it in there [23:14] hehe yeah i know [23:14] i did announce the lameness part though [23:14] so no surprises there [23:15] however, i thought about it a bit and i guess having a single button from which to launch the app is sufficient. deeper integration would basically mean patching it all directly into the panel [23:16] and i wonder whether it wouldn't be good to close the panel preferences upon opening xfpanel-switch [23:16] might crash anyway when the panel gets restarted [23:20] pretty likely :) [23:20] 2 menulibre bug fixes in one night, I'm on a roll [23:20] :D [23:22] heh [23:27] micahg: lp:~unit193/debian-cd/xubuntu-core lp:~unit193/livecd-rootfs/xubuntu-core [23:42] ochosi: maybe put the "Load/Save Configuration" between the "Help" and "Close" buttons?