[06:17] <flocculant> knome pleia2 - could you social media LTS testing please :)
[06:17] <knome> wut
[06:17] <flocculant> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2015-August/010839.html
[06:18] <knome> i'll tweet
[06:18] <flocculant> thanks knome :)
[06:18] <knome> done
[06:39] <knome> bbl
[06:46] <ochosi> morning all
[06:47] <flocculant> morning ochosi 
[07:10] <knome> hey ochosi 
[07:11] <knome> flocculant, what was it you thought potentially useful information from tracker?
[07:12] <flocculant> for others - a sum of test report numbers 
[07:12] <knome> per milestone?
[07:12] <knome> or per build?
[07:12] <knome> or per cycle?
[07:12] <flocculant> well 
[07:12] <knome> i can get any and each, fwiw
[07:12] <flocculant> maybe a weekly running total 
[07:12] <knome> well - at least i believe so
[07:12] <knome> that's the hardest one :D
[07:13] <knome> but i'll see per milestone first
[07:13] <ochosi> hehe
[07:13] <flocculant> ha ha 
[07:13] <ochosi> nicely played, flocculant 
[07:13] <flocculant> well milestone is a now and again thing - not sure what use that is
[07:13] <knome> flocculant, that's a starting point for further introspection
[07:14] <flocculant> maybe - 2 - milestone(s) and daily(ies) 
[07:14] <knome> milestone being any milestone set in tracker
[07:14] <knome> inluding daily
[07:14] <flocculant> reason I say sum is assuming our tracker grabs numbers once a day 
[07:15] <knome> it can do it more often
[07:15] <knome> i can also get xubuntu upgrade tests in there relatively easily
[07:15] <flocculant> and if it is going to do so, grab before 10:00UTC 
[07:16] <knome> i can make it grab at 9:35:23
[07:16] <knome> if that's what you fancy
[07:16] <flocculant> not going to be able to get into much discussion - getting sorted for work
[07:16] <flocculant> that time would be ok - image builds ~10am 
[07:16] <knome> ok - let's see what comes of this
[07:23] <flocculant> what *I* would love is a way to put in date x and date y and get numbers of tests done per milestone 
[07:24] <flocculant> I'll try and talk to dkessel and balloons about that
[07:26] <knome> flocculant, i might be able to do that... it's not completely trivial, or a light operation, but it can be donw
[07:27] <knome> *done
[07:27] <flocculant> ok :)
[07:27] <knome> it's better to do that in the tracker
[07:27] <knome> but...
[07:27] <knome> yeah.
[07:27] <knome> $things are better done $elsewhere
[07:27] <flocculant> yep - would be - but with tracker we have it's not possible to do that 
[07:29] <ochosi> flocculant: anything you want us to discuss in the meeting or will you be about?
[07:29] <ochosi> (read "getting ready for work, so that sounded like you're not going to make it)
[07:29] <flocculant> you could bring up trusty testing - woke up to that ... 
[07:31] <flocculant> knome: what I'd love to see from tracker is something like http://paste.ubuntu.com/11998490/
[07:31] <flocculant> might be best to report that as tracker bug
[07:31] <knome> definitely...
[07:32] <flocculant> ochosi: and no - not going to be here - so just trusty atm :) 
[07:32] <ochosi> alrighty :)
[07:32] <flocculant> there'll be QA mails going to list - lots 
[07:32] <ochosi> anything you want us to discuss concretely or shall we just #info it?
[07:32] <flocculant> just want to get trusty done first
[07:32] <flocculant> info will do :)
[07:33] <ochosi> okeydokey :)
[07:33] <flocculant> knome: I thought as much :)
[07:36] <flocculant> might get lost today in change to fibre broadband - if I do I'll see you tomorrow :) 
[07:36] <flocculant> bbl 
[07:36] <ochosi> okeydokey, hf flocculant :)
[08:02] <ochosi> !team | meeting in 30mins
[08:31] <ochosi> alrighty
[08:31] <ochosi> #startmeeting
[08:31] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Aug  4 08:31:16 2015 UTC.  The chair is ochosi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[08:31] <ochosi> !team | meeting time!
[08:31] <ochosi> welcome everybody, who's about?
[08:31] <knome> o–
[08:33] <ochosi> hm, menage a deux? :)
[08:33] <ochosi> wake up Unit193!
[08:33] <ObrienDave> he's sleeping ;P
[08:33] <knome> ObrienDave, isn't that when you tell somebody to wake up?
[08:33] <ochosi> yeah, seemingly went bacak to bed
[08:34] <ochosi> that sucks, the first work item is for him :)
[08:34] <knome> ochosi, my action is done
[08:35] <ochosi> oh perfect, a netsplit
[08:35] <knome> time for secret decisions!
[08:36] <ochosi> :p
[08:37] <knome> boring meeting
[08:37] <ochosi> well, i guess we can come back to the open action items later
[08:37] <knome> is this why i'm up before noon?
[08:37] <knome> ;)=
[08:37] <ochosi> #topic Open action items
[08:38] <ochosi> knome: you mentioned something about having completed something there?
[08:38] <knome> yes, my only open action item
[08:38] <ochosi> oddly, i only see the xubuntu-dev action item as open from last meeting
[08:38] <knome> take the garbage out of your eye
[08:39] <ochosi> oh
[08:39] <ochosi> there it is
[08:39] <knome> yes, under the "Action items, by person" header
[08:39] <knome> it's very confusing, i know!
[08:39] <ochosi> hehe
[08:39] <ochosi> only looked at the top of the summary therer
[08:39] <ochosi> so anyway, Unit193 ?
[08:40] <ochosi> any news on xubuntu-dev to review requirements for xubuntu-core iso, investigating patches to livecd-rootfs, ubuntu-cdimage and debian-cd ?
[08:40] <knome> i saw a patch for that yesterday
[08:40] <knome> http://paste.openstack.org/show/5KhCuR1s4j0RGIc5sav0/
[08:40] <ochosi> right, i've seen that one before too
[08:40] <knome> but - i don't know what that is supposed to be a patch against
[08:41] <Unit193> livecd-rootfs
[08:41] <knome> i tried to get Unit193 push it into a branch so we could have nice MPs...
[08:41] <ochosi> +1
[08:41] <Unit193> Doubt it's ready for that.
[08:41] <knome> for "what" exactly?
[08:41] <ochosi> also, Unit193, would you mind splitting up the workitem in the blueprint a bit?
[08:42] <knome> that would be nice.
[08:42] <Unit193> Wouldn't mind.
[08:42] <knome> Unit193, split it up - you'll got to keep all pieces though
[08:42] <knome> *get
[08:42] <knome> anyway, please do MPs
[08:43] <ochosi> #action Unit193 to split up the xubuntu-core workitem on the blueprint to be able to track the progress better
[08:43] <meetingology> ACTION: Unit193 to split up the xubuntu-core workitem on the blueprint to be able to track the progress better
[08:43] <Unit193> When they're ready.
[08:43] <knome> Unit193, thanks.
[08:43] <Unit193> ochosi: Split it however you like.
[08:43] <ochosi> actually MPs can be updated easily
[08:43] <ochosi> Unit193: wait, that was your action item
[08:43] <ochosi> also, iirc micahg said he would help, but wasn't sure what part you needed help with, so just create a workitem for him that tells him what to do
[08:43] <knome> and MPs need branches, so you can push to a branch and do a MP once the branch is ready for a merge... but i don't really care if you prepare and do MPs once stuff is ready
[08:45] <ochosi> uhm right, since it's obviously early and Unit193 doesn't seem to want to discuss this any further, let's move on...
[08:45] <ochosi> #topic Team updates
[08:45] <Unit193> ochosi: Not much to say, so I said little. :P
[08:46] <ochosi> frankly, the paste you link to every now and then tells me practically nothing, so i really wouldn't know where you stand on the matter and how to help
[08:47] <knome> #done knome improved the status tracker and fixed some bugs (assigned bugs are now correctly assigned to the assignee)
[08:47] <ochosi> Unit193: maybe micah understands the livecd stuff, but in that case just create a workitem for him to review some branches of yours (before that you obviously have to push some branches)
[08:47] <knome> #done knome started looking at the QA trackers XML-RPC interface
[08:47] <knome> #undo
[08:47] <knome> ochosi, ^^please #undo
[08:47] <ochosi> #undo
[08:47] <meetingology> Removing item from minutes: TOPIC
[08:47] <knome> what?
[08:47] <knome> :'(
[08:47] <ochosi> awesome
[08:47] <knome> lderan!!!
[08:48] <ochosi> the #done thing doesn't really work it seems
[08:48] <ochosi> #topic Team updates
[08:48] <knome> not when undoing, it seems...
[08:48] <knome> #done knome improved the status tracker and fixed some bugs (assigned bugs are now correctly assigned to the assignee)
[08:48] <knome> #done knome started looking at the QA trackers XML-RPC interface in preparation to pulling data to the tracker
[08:49] <ochosi> #info ochosi pushed several updates to Greybird to improve the look of CSDs, can be tested via the shimmer-daily PPA
[08:49] <knome> #done knome updated the "For Derivatives" page on the website - landing the preliminary package list with xubuntu branding - feedback welcome from developers
[08:50] <ochosi> #info ochosi started working on an "a11y" version of Greybird's window manager theme, WIP can be checked out and commented on here: https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird/tree/xfwm4-a11y
[08:51] <knome> #done knome worked on PDF exports for the documentation; basic exports are now ready to go
[08:51] <ochosi> nice one
[08:51] <knome> #done krytarik updated the Makefiles for the documentation
[08:51] <knome> #nick krytarik
[08:53] <ochosi> hmright, i'm done, anything/anyone else?
[08:53] <knome> hmm i guess yes
[08:53] <knome> to be complete
[08:53] <knome> #done knome added a burndown chart for the status tracker
[08:54] <ochosi> #done bluesabre and micahg uploaded shimmer-themes 2.0.0 to wily
[08:54] <ochosi> mkay, then let's move on
[08:54] <ochosi> #topic Announcements
[08:55] <ochosi> #info there's a new 14.04 LTS point release coming up, please help with testing!
[08:55] <Unit193> Mmm, indeed.
[08:55] <knome> #info more information at https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2015-August/010839.html
[08:55] <knome> (slightly, but more)
[08:55] <ochosi> darn, beat me to it :)
[08:56]  * ochosi empties his paste-cache
[08:56] <Unit193> Mica forwarded one that was more.
[08:56] <knome> #info General information on 14.04.3: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2015-August/010838.html
[08:56] <ochosi> good good
[08:58] <ochosi> any other announcements?
[08:58] <knome> nope
[09:00] <ochosi> ok good, let's move on then
[09:00] <ochosi> #topic Discussion
[09:00] <ochosi> knome: anything you wanna discuss wrt tracker?
[09:01] <knome> not really, unless anybody has feature requests or complaints
[09:01] <knome> or have found bugs
[09:01] <ochosi> no complaints, this is really awesome sauce
[09:01] <knome> good to hear
[09:01] <ochosi> i'd love to see it hooked up to xubuntu.org asap
[09:01] <knome> well, one thing i just figured out would be great too:
[09:01] <knome> when a work item gets marked done, save an entry to the database
[09:02] <knome> so we can track when certain things have happened
[09:02] <knome> useful for the team updates too
[09:02] <knome> or maybe even replaces
[09:02] <knome> unless there is something that doesn't fit into work items
[09:02] <ochosi> mm, right
[09:02] <ochosi> how do you do that for the burndown now?
[09:02] <ochosi> or is that just the sum that you save there
[09:02] <knome> just save a done/inprogress/total of items
[09:03] <ochosi> right, so you're considering individual workitem dates
[09:03] <ochosi> makes sense to me
[09:03] <knome> yes, but just as a list
[09:03] <knome> eg. no more/different burndown charts
[09:03] <Unit193> Going to put it on the /dev page?
[09:03] <knome> Unit193, at some point maybe.
[09:03] <knome> i'd rather get some hosting that is not mine.
[09:03] <Unit193> Or rather more useful, in this topic.
[09:04] <knome> and get it hooked
[09:04] <knome> i will have to talk about that, likely with pleia2 
[09:04] <ochosi> mhm, indeed
[09:04] <ochosi> knome: workitem? ;)
[09:04] <knome> maybe
[09:04] <knome> i just added a few already...
[09:04] <knome> if you look at the details page, i have loads...
[09:05] <ochosi> anyway, i guess the email reminders/summaries will be really helpful too
[09:05] <knome> more than any individual
[09:05] <ochosi> yeah i know
[09:05] <knome> yeah, i should hook that up
[09:05] <ochosi> but you're known to be workitem-king
[09:05] <knome> hah
[09:05] <ochosi> i think you've been for several cycles
[09:05] <knome> yeah, i'm not saying "i'm doing more", i'm just saying "yes, i will track work"...
[09:05] <ochosi> yeah, but that's quite good
[09:06] <ochosi> it has taken some time for me to appreciate the usefulness of that
[09:06] <knome> ok, i have another discussion item
[09:06] <knome> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2015-March/010670.html
[09:07] <ochosi> anyhow, apart from the email feature i have the feeling that the tracker is rather feature-complete atm
[09:07] <knome> from the UI yes, but not the admin UI; there is literally no admin UI
[09:07] <knome> and many things are hardcoded
[09:07] <knome> so i'll need to consider how i will want to manage that in the future
[09:07] <ochosi> right, but i'm not sure there was any admin interface to status.ubuntu.com
[09:08] <knome> i don't think so
[09:08] <ochosi> but yeah, that'd be another feature
[09:08] <knome> but that doesn't mean we shouldn't have one
[09:08] <ochosi> indeed
[09:08] <knome> there are a few things that would be "nice to have" regarding that, so..
[09:08] <ochosi> #subtopic Seeds & Composition XSD Review
[09:08] <knome> so anyway
[09:08] <knome> that
[09:08] <knome> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2015-March/010670.html
[09:09] <knome> i believe the outcome of that thread was that people are fine with it
[09:09] <knome> though, i didn't get any comments from eg. micahg, who said he wanted to comment
[09:09] <ochosi> yes
[09:09] <ochosi> i'd say we update it now as it is clearly better than what we have
[09:09] <knome> otoh, it's 5 months since the thread began...
[09:10] <ochosi> if he has concerns he can always mention them and we can try to work them out
[09:10] <Unit193> I think I made comments on that.
[09:10] <knome> yes... we likely have a pad for that
[09:10] <knome> but where...
[09:11] <knome> http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-sd-seeds-composition
[09:11] <knome> that's the one
[09:11] <knome> so i believe that's the version we want
[09:11] <ochosi> ah yeah, i remember that one
[09:12] <knome> Unit193, would you say your concerns are addressed in that version?
[09:12] <Unit193> I don't remember so I'll say 'sure'
[09:12] <ochosi> heh
[09:12] <ochosi> that's the spirit
[09:12] <ochosi> :)
[09:12] <knome> can you check it, please?
[09:13] <knome> the brownish color is Unit193
[09:14] <Unit193> * The package should be maintained well upstream    hrm..
[09:15] <knome> "The above guidelines can be omitted when there are extensive benefits to seeding the package, ..."
[09:15] <knome> this is a strategy document, it's idealist, we'll never get tehre
[09:16] <Unit193> (Also, if we have 'well', can't it be 'well maintained'?)
[09:16] <knome> but it's good to have a goal
[09:16] <Unit193> Hah.
[09:16] <knome> ok, so ochosi, will you do the honors of updating the wiki, or shall i?
[09:16] <ochosi> knome: thou shallst
[09:17] <knome> #action knome to update the Strategy Document wiki page with the new "Seeds & Composition" section
[09:17] <meetingology> ACTION: knome to update the Strategy Document wiki page with the new "Seeds & Composition" section
[09:17] <ochosi> alrighty
[09:17] <ochosi> is that it or is there more to discuss?
[09:17] <knome> i think that's about it
[09:18] <knome> wait
[09:18] <ochosi> Unit193: anything else from your side?
[09:18] <knome> #undo the last item
[09:18]  * ochosi waits
[09:18] <knome> i did it already
[09:18] <ochosi> #undo
[09:18] <meetingology> Removing item from minutes: ACTION
[09:18] <knome> ta
[09:18] <Unit193> Not that I can think of.
[09:18] <Unit193> I wouldn't know, ask krytarik.
[09:18] <Unit193> :D
[09:18] <ochosi> ok, then let's conclude that part and the meeting ftm
[09:18] <ochosi> #Schedule next meeting
[09:18] <ochosi> argh
[09:18] <knome> hah
[09:19] <ochosi> do i have to undo that?
[09:19] <ochosi> or will the clowns eat me if i try
[09:19] <knome> no
[09:19] <ochosi> #topic Schedule next meeting
[09:19] <knome> it isn't recognised as a command
[09:20] <ochosi> #info slickymaster is to schedule the next meeting
[09:20] <knome> boo, Unit193 isn't the next chair
[09:20] <ochosi> #endmeeting
[09:20] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Aug  4 09:20:15 2015 UTC.  
[09:20] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2015/xubuntu-devel.2015-08-04-08.31.moin.txt
[09:20] <knome> that would have been the cherry on top of the cake topping
[09:20] <ochosi> hehe indeed
[09:20] <Unit193> Good, that'd be bad.
[09:20] <knome> thanks ochosi 
[09:20] <Unit193> Too many meetings with nothing on the agenda.
[09:20]  * ochosi considers to change the order on the meetings page
[09:20] <Unit193> Yes.
[09:20] <ochosi> thanks y'all
[09:21] <knome> ochosi, if you ordered by team name alphabetically...
[09:21] <knome> XPL -> Artwork -> Debian
[09:24] <ochosi> ok, minutes are up
[09:24] <ochosi> alrighty, gotta take off
[09:24] <ochosi> have a nice day everyone!
[09:24] <knome> have a nice day
[09:25] <ochosi> and sorry again for the odd meeting time
[09:25] <Unit193> Works better than others..
[10:42] <bluesabre> woops, meeting
[16:13] <flocculant> can someone check that cdimage isn't just playing up for me please - http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/20150804/wily-desktop-amd64.iso
[16:14] <flocculant> getting network unreachable - but I've had internet work going on here 
[16:15] <drc> looks like I'm grabbing it...
[16:15] <flocculant> ... looks like I can grab ubuntu's daily ok :|
[16:15] <flocculant> which is not helpful :p
[16:17] <krytarik> flocculant: Same here though - the entirety of cdimage.
[16:17] <flocculant> krytarik: dead do you mean? 
[16:17] <krytarik> Yap.
[16:17] <flocculant> ok - perhaps the big pipe across the pond has a leak then :p
[16:18] <drc> OK, I'm confused.  I can go to http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/20150804/ and grab anything I see...what am I doing wrong? :)
[16:18] <flocculant> though - I appear to be able to connect with f/fox but not wget nor with zsync
[16:18] <flocculant> drc: it's downloading ok for you? 
[16:19] <drc> so far, but remember the other day when it failed at the end...
[16:19] <flocculant> heh 
[16:19] <flocculant> today's cdbuild log for us ends with "ssh: connect to host goldenapple.canonical.com port 22: Connection timed out"
[16:19] <krytarik> flocculant: Only we are on the same side of pond. :P
[16:20] <krytarik> + the
[16:20] <flocculant> yea - and it's not working for us - or for me - it works a bit :D
[16:20] <flocculant> krytarik: did you try with a browser or? 
[16:20] <krytarik> Yep, FF.
[16:20] <flocculant> oh - now it's working with wget ... 
[16:20] <krytarik> Was going to mention that.
[16:21] <drc> now...what am I going to do with a spare 15.10 daily image?
[16:22] <flocculant> test it :D
[16:22] <krytarik> Seems to be working here too now.
[16:22] <drc> you thin it has rabies?
[16:22] <flocculant> wget working - zsync was still failing ... 
[16:22] <flocculant> drc: for sure 
[16:22] <pleia2> flocculant: knome got twitter, updated fb and G+
[16:22] <flocculant> pleia2: thanks :)
[16:23] <drc> DL'd completely
[16:23] <flocculant> drc: ok - cheers 
[16:23] <flocculant> something's up somewhere 
[16:24] <drc> GCHQ must have gotten back from their tea break and decided to play with you :)
[16:24] <flocculant> at least krytarik proved it wasn't dodgy isp's for me :)
[16:24] <krytarik> LOL - yes.
[16:25] <drc> hehe...14.04.3 support requests starting already...and it's not even out :)
[16:26] <flocculant> an unlucky tester ;)
[16:28] <krytarik> That's just usual updates though.
[16:29] <krytarik> Tada! :P - http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/b/base-files/base-files_7.2ubuntu5.3/changelog
[16:29] <flocculant> even so - surely it shouldn't be updat/grading to .3 if it's not been released
[16:31] <flocculant> ok - so they upgraded the number assuming that the world wouldn't collapse between then and Thursday :p
[16:32] <drc> ignorance here...can one "upgrade" before a release (i.e., a daily not an alpha/beta/releease).
[16:32] <flocculant> not a clue 
[16:33] <flocculant> these point releases I guess are oddballs anyway
[17:12] <krytarik> Hah, this one still lives :P - http://paste.openstack.org/show/LD8ALdFLOmjjIXfpC0K9/
[22:57] <ochosi> bluesabre: what did you think of my lame mockup for xfpanel-switch btw?
[22:57] <bluesabre> hm, which one?
[22:58] <ochosi> posted it a day ago or so
[22:58] <ochosi> let me dig it up again or repost...
[22:58] <ochosi> there it is again: http://imgur.com/nLK2ZD6
[22:59] <ochosi> this would be the place i'd include it somehow
[22:59] <ochosi> not sure yet of the label, that's more of a placeholder really
[23:03] <bluesabre> wow
[23:03] <bluesabre> that is lame
[23:03] <bluesabre> :p
[23:03] <bluesabre> sure, if we can find a nice way to stick it in there
[23:14] <ochosi> hehe yeah i know
[23:14] <ochosi> i did announce the lameness part though
[23:14] <ochosi> so no surprises there
[23:15] <ochosi> however, i thought about it a bit and i guess having a single button from which to launch the app is sufficient. deeper integration would basically mean patching it all directly into the panel
[23:16] <ochosi> and i wonder whether it wouldn't be good to close the panel preferences upon opening xfpanel-switch
[23:16] <ochosi> might crash anyway when the panel gets restarted
[23:20] <bluesabre> pretty likely :)
[23:20] <bluesabre> 2 menulibre bug fixes in one night, I'm on a roll
[23:20] <bluesabre> :D
[23:22] <ochosi> heh
[23:27] <Unit193> micahg: lp:~unit193/debian-cd/xubuntu-core lp:~unit193/livecd-rootfs/xubuntu-core
[23:42] <cjbayliss> ochosi: maybe put the "Load/Save Configuration" between the "Help" and "Close" buttons?