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pittiGood morning03:59
didrocksgood morning06:03
pittibonjour didrocks!06:45
didrockshey pitti, how are you?06:47
pittididrocks: quite well, thanks! cursing at my n00b understanding of cmake/C++ etc.06:48
didrockspitti: could have been worse, like qmake :)06:48
pittididrocks: I'm sure I'll hit that too :)06:48
didrocksthe later, the best! :)06:49
didrocksthe better*06:49
seb128good morning desktopers07:25
didrocksre seb12807:25
seb128re didrocks07:25
pittibonjour seb128 !07:45
seb128pitti, salut, comment ├ža va aujourd'hui ?07:45
pittiseb128: je vais bien, merci ! et toi ?07:46
seb128pitti, je vais bien aussi, merci ;-)07:47
pittiseb128: having fun with fixing FTBFS of C++ packages ;)07:47
seb128just spent a day to unscrew a phone07:47
seb128which was frustrating07:47
seb128I had nuke the imei, needed to install specific images and tools07:47
seb128it's no fun to figure out all the tools and find specific roms07:47
pittiurgh07:47
pittiI once completely screwed up my Xperia07:48
pittiI had to install windows and some recovery windows program that reset the entire thing including the bootloader with some magic07:48
pittinot fun07:48
pittiseb128: i. e. you even broke the bootloader?07:48
pittiI wouldn't know how to access such a thing without fastboot07:48
seb128yes07:49
seb128the phone looked very bricked07:49
seb128like screen would never turn on07:49
seb128and it would not vibrate07:49
seb128but apparently it still reacts to usb plug and power button press07:49
seb128because some tools react when the device is plugged or button pressed07:49
seb128even if the device doesn't show any sign07:49
seb128anyway I got it fixed07:50
pittigreat07:50
seb128but it took me a while to get the details right07:50
seb128imei is also annoying to put back07:50
seb128you can do it from the engineering mode on android07:50
seb128but that way it's not persistent07:50
seb128I put ubuntu back on the device and had no imei again07:50
darkxsthey seb128 pitti didrocks07:51
seb128had to reput android and find other tools07:51
seb128oh well, it's done now07:51
pittihey darkxst, how are you?07:51
seb128I can go back to do work ;-)07:51
seb128hey darkxst07:51
didrocksgood evening darkxst07:51
darkxstpitti, I'm good, enjoying a very dry winter, although its wet today07:52
darkxstseb128, the pkg-config checks for keybindings in compiz are not even used, so I just removed them07:53
darkxstbug 148154107:54
ubot5bug 1481541 in compiz (Ubuntu) "avoid build-dep on gnome-control-center-dev" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/148154107:54
willcookemorning all07:54
darkxsthey willcooke07:54
didrocksmorning willcooke07:55
willcookePeople who know about Gnome:  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2015-August/015651.html07:56
willcookeThat seems like a pretty good idea ^^07:56
willcookeIs it an easy job?07:56
seb128darkxst, great08:01
seb128willcooke, hey08:02
seb128willcooke, bug #24618508:02
ubot5bug 246185 in gnome-keyring (Ubuntu) ""Unlock Private Key" dialog mysteriously refers to "an application"" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/24618508:02
seb128good old 6 digits bug ;-)08:02
Laneyyo yo08:03
didrockshey Laney08:03
seb128hey Laney08:03
pittibonjour Laney08:03
darkxsthey Laney08:04
Laneyhey didrocks and seb128 and pitti and darkxst!08:07
Laneywhat's up?08:07
didrocksdebubububuggging :)08:08
* Laney checks http://pad.ubuntu.com/gcc-5-transition for overnight news08:08
pittiLaney: working full steam on FTBFS stuff08:08
* Laney gets a mail from _rene_ about Debconf and remembers to buy $train_ticket08:09
pittiLaney: can all your "test builds" be removed now?08:11
pittior any FTBFS there?08:11
willcookeseb128, hrm.  Seems to be that working out which application is requesting the unlock is "hard".  I still think there is value in at least trying.  I might add it to my wish list.  What do you think?08:12
Laneypitti: the "Successful" bunch at the end are all uploaded08:12
Laneyalong with the unsuccessful ones because I forgot to remove those .changes files :-/08:12
pittiLaney: I mean, we can just mass-delete this, or are there some FTBFSes which we need to move into that sectin?08:13
seb128willcooke, feel free to do, my experience says that if an annoying bug didn't get fixed in 8 years there is usually a reason ;-)08:13
Laneyyou can remove it08:13
LaneyI'm going to check https://launchpad.net/~laney/+uploaded-packages in a minute after buying a train ticket and adding darkxst to ubuntu-desktop08:14
seb128willcooke, ^ what Laney said btw08:22
willcookeseb128, Laney - thank you!08:22
Laneythanks for what? :)08:25
willcookeLaney, I was trying to work out how to add darkxst - but I was struggling with permissions.  And now I don't have to try!08:25
Laneyoh right, yeah, this is the Ubuntu team not the Canonical one08:25
willcookethat reminds me, I really should do something about Ubuntu membership08:26
seb128yeah, you should!08:27
Laneythen you get the cool IRC cloak08:28
willcooke:)08:28
* Laney eyes the 12 hour return train08:32
Laneynice overnight stay in Derby anyone?08:32
willcookeurgh08:32
willcookeThey should pay you08:32
Laneyhah08:33
Laneytoo right08:33
didrocksLaney: to go to debconf?08:33
Laneyye08:33
Laneythere is actually a train from st pancras at 22:0008:34
Laneyflight gets in at 20:2008:34
Laneyseems tight08:34
Laneyor get to derby then catch the bus08:36
Laneymeh08:36
* Laney books08:37
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seb128tiheum, hey, nice to see all those icons fixes, do you know when you plan to do a landing?09:44
tiheumseb128: Hi, I have still a few updates to do this week (we're in a bug sprint). But we could create a silo next week so the landing might be quite soon.09:47
seb128tiheum, ok, great, can you ping me when you get a silo so I can test code changes to use the new icons?09:48
tiheumseb128, sure09:48
seb128tiheum, thanks09:48
Sweet5hark7 minutes to go ...09:53
Sweet5harkand http://www.libreoffice.org/ looking all shiny ...10:03
Laney${major_version}++ ?10:04
Sweet5harkLaney: yep, LibreOffice 5.0 with some shiny new branding.10:04
Sweet5harkricotz: feel free to copy over 5.0.0 for vivid/precise/wily to the fresh ppa too now. Its officially released although the full PR will be delayed a bit for $reasons.10:06
Laneyhappyaron: want to grab our Ubuntu delta for zinnia to Debian for debian bug #791322?10:07
ubot5Debian bug 791322 in src:zinnia "zinnia: library transition may be needed when GCC 5 is the default" [Important,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/79132210:07
ricotzSweet5hark, done10:09
Sweet5harkricotz: thanks!10:13
chrisccoulsonmaaaaaaan, it sucks not having my own internet connection10:13
willcookechrisccoulson, at the mercy of cafe wifi?10:17
chrisccoulsonwillcooke, not quite - my Mum's wifi10:17
Laneyworse than cafe if PE28 internet is anything to go by :)10:17
willcooke:)10:17
Laneychrisccoulson: weren't you moving out to the sticks?10:20
darkxstLaney, they have adsl in the sticks10:21
chrisccoulsonLaney, not quite the sticks - I'm right on the edge of a small market town. We have fibre here (our cabinet was upgraded a few weeks ago), but I need to wait for Openreach10:21
darkxstor atleast I do!10:21
chrisccoulsonI'm here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bourne,_Lincolnshire10:22
Laneydarkxst: indeed! I think they get about 512kbps or maybe a bit more these days but it's better than dialup at least10:23
Laneychrisccoulson: not far from good old p-town10:24
darkxstbut I am less than a km from the exchange so its good10:24
LaneyI remember phoning up BT as a youth to beg for DSL10:24
Laneywe were 3 houses too far away from the exchange by copper length10:24
chrisccoulsonLaney, but the people who live right next to their exchange aren't laughing now (if they're on exchange-only lines)10:29
chrisccoulsonI looked at a house on an EO line - it's stuck with ADSL10:30
Laneyoh really?10:30
chrisccoulsonLaney, apparently they need to install a cabinet next to the exchange and move the lines across, which is a lot more work and costs quite a bit10:34
willcookeseb128, Laney - in larsu's absence a quick question... the scroll bars in the dash in 15.10 are still the original Unity ones - will that change and they will become the new OSB?10:43
seb128no10:43
seb128I pointed that out by then, I don't think anyone took an action item to change them10:43
seb128those are a custom unity thing, so I guess it's up to our unity people to say how much work that would be10:44
willcookemuhahahah10:44
seb128my gut feeling is that it's going to be non trivial and maybe not the top priority/most important thing to work on10:44
seb128though consistency would be good10:44
willcookeyeah, I agree - but I'll ask Trevinho tomorrow when he's back (if I remember).  Seems like a valid target for 16.04 though - depending  on LOE10:45
Laneyindeed10:46
Laneywould be good to have a bug for it10:46
willcookeLaney, against Unity right?10:47
LaneyI think nux draws those10:48
willcookethx10:48
seb128lunch, bbiab10:53
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jtaylorI'm getting really tired with this stupid unity launcher hides behind all windows bug11:57
jtaylorI seem to be able to reproduce it somewhat reliable by launching a tcltk app11:57
jtaylorany hints on debugging the cause?11:57
Laneyprobably want Trevinho, who should be around from tomorrow11:59
* Laney goes to collect suit from dry cleaners12:01
jtaylork, I have no clue about how to tackle gui/WM issues12:01
ogra_heh, tcltk is still a thing ?12:05
jtaylorunfortunately12:07
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jtaylortoo many useful science tools are written in it12:07
jcastrohey willcooke12:08
jcastrowillcooke: so, I set up a new gaming machine over the weekend12:08
jcastrowillcooke: and I'd like to formally beg for us to do a better job bringing stable nvidia drivers to the LTS12:08
ogra_WHATS WRONG WITH THEM ? MY DESKTOP RUNS STEAM STUFF JUST FINE12:10
ogra_EEEK12:10
ogra_sorry12:10
* ogra_ hands out earplugs to the room12:10
jtaylorwasn't nvida updated on stable just a few days ago?12:12
jtaylorwhich is nice because it removed the need for me to patch the package for the 3.19 lts kernel :)12:12
ogra_yep, i just got the updaate today12:12
jcastrocheck the versions, those are old12:14
ogra_well, the edgers PPA might have newer ones if they dont suffice for you12:15
ogra_my gtk970 is definitely good enough with the shipped drivers for running borderlands2 or metro on my triple head setup at usable FPS12:16
ogra_*gtx12:16
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jcastroI'd just like for there to be "I'm a gamer just get the latest nvidia" without needing edger PPAs.12:19
jcastrohttps://launchpad.net/~mamarley/+archive/ubuntu/nvidia12:19
jcastrokind of what like this guy is doing but more official12:19
jcastroogra_: also, get shadow of mordor, it's quite excellent and will exercise your 97012:20
ogra_jcastro, well, then tseliot would need to live in the future or some such :)12:24
ogra_it requires some time to package and QA the new driver12:25
ogra_(just to let a stereotype out: snappy will fix that ;) )12:25
jcastroyea, I just don't like being so behind on the drivers with all these new games coming out.12:29
willcookeright, it's not that easy - we don't maintain the Nvidia drivers, and we dont have the resources or skillsets to do that.12:30
willcookeplus QA of course12:30
ogra_in the bright and shiny future you will just install nvidia-gamer-kernel-latest.snap and be done ;)12:31
willcookeI look forward to it!12:31
jcastroyeah I get all that, it just doesn't help me today. :)12:31
ogra_well, there were reasons we started snappy ;)12:32
ogra_this is one of them12:32
tseliotjcastro: what driver version do you need?12:45
jcastrotseliot: 352.3012:47
ricotztseliot, hi, the packaging could really use some updates, also in regard for 355.x12:48
tseliotI'm waiting for 352 to be approved in wily-proposed (I uploaded that on July 23 but it's still in NEW)12:49
ricotztseliot, as usual please take the tarballs from edgers12:49
tseliotricotz: yes, I have the code in my local branch but I won't upload 355 (as it's a short lived release). I can certainly push 355 to my git branch though12:50
ricotztseliot, ok, I am more talking about finally using debsrc 3.0 for driver and settings12:51
ricotztseliot, and fixing this weird kernel 3.18 patch ;)12:51
tseliotricotz: are you saying that you did the work yourself (in which case patches are welcome), or that I should be working on it?12:51
tseliotand what's wrong with the patch for 3.18?12:52
ricotzmeaning I updated the packaging for 355 and properly tweaked the patch12:52
ricotzI didn't move it to debsrc312:52
tseliotricotz: I have some commits by NVIDIA for 355, so you might want to use those instead12:53
ricotztseliot, https://paste.debian.net/plain/28936512:55
tseliotas for debsrc3, I'm already busy with a lot of other stuff, so I don't see that happening any time soon12:55
tseliotright12:56
ricotz(or better finding out why conftest.sh isnt working properly)12:56
tseliotI will12:57
ricotzthere are also some obsolete files too12:57
ricotzlike debian/dkms.conf12:58
ricotzok12:58
tseliotright12:58
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ricotztseliot, feel free to push your 355 changes13:02
tseliotricotz: I will13:02
seb128willcooke, "** Tags added: rls-w-incomming"13:16
seb128willcooke, I guess it's a typo in this one, but mentioning it in case, the tag name has one "m" only13:16
seb128I fixed this one13:16
willcookeargh.  I suck.  Thanks seb12813:17
seb128yw!13:17
seb128pitti, that hostname bug, do you think /etc/hosts should be updated? or it's fine to have it keeping the old name?13:18
pittiseb128: as long as nsswitch.conf contains myhostname, it doesn't need to be updated13:19
pitti"it" == /etc/hsots13:19
seb128k13:20
seb128I wonder if we should resume that discussion13:20
seb128or just add the recommends to u-c-c13:20
seb128since it's in systemd now and doesn't need a mir13:20
pittiinstalling libnss-myhostname auto-adds itself to nsswitch, so merely recommending it indeed ought to fix it for phone images13:22
Laneydidn't slangasek have a problem with libnss-myhostname?13:22
seb128pitti, I was thinking desktop more than phone, I don't think we have an UI to change hostname on the phone13:23
seb128Laney, he did yes, which is why I said " I wonder if we should resume that discussion"13:23
pittiah, ok13:23
Laneyok, just checking13:23
seb128Laney, I would just do it otherwise13:23
pittiah, I'm not aware of slangasek's concerns there13:24
seb128pitti, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libnss-myhostname/+bug/1162478/comments/613:24
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1162478 in libnss-myhostname (Ubuntu) "[FFe] [MIR] libnss-myhostname" [Undecided,Invalid]13:24
seb128pitti, do you know if systemd upstream refuses to update /etc/hosts on principle or what's the issue there?13:26
pittihm, *shrug*13:26
pittiwell, it's keeping the same information in two different files, and /etc/hosts is rather pointless13:26
pittithey (and other people too, like xnox) are trying to get rid of files in /etc/13:26
pittiand /etc/hosts is one of these "unbreak my system" ones which need to be there with an exactly defined contents13:26
pittiso I disagree with Steve on that13:27
seb128how do you recommend moving forward?13:27
seb1281- just add the recommends and ignore Steve13:27
seb1282- try to have that discussion again, maybe on ubuntu-devel@13:27
seb1283- disable hostname change in u-c-c13:28
seb128?13:28
seb128having the rename available but buggy is worth than not having it13:28
darkxstseb128, yes, that also affects us, in fact we probably filed the original MIR13:29
seb128darkxst, well, systemd is in main so as far as your are concerned you can add that recommends and be done with it13:29
darkxsthaving the discussion before feature freeze again could help13:29
seb128Steve wrote on that bugs that flavor decide for themselve13:29
darkxstbut it wasn't back then?13:29
seb128back then nss-myhostname was a standalone thing13:30
seb128and MIR was rejected13:30
seb128now it's in systemd13:30
seb128so it's in main13:30
seb128darkxst, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libnss-myhostname/+bug/1162478/comments/813:30
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1162478 in libnss-myhostname (Ubuntu) "[FFe] [MIR] libnss-myhostname" [Undecided,Invalid]13:30
pittiI do agree that if we adopt it, we shouldn't bring it in by way of gnome-control-center, but install it by default and stop creating /etc/hosts13:31
seb128pitti, is that a discussion you are wanting to start maybe?13:31
pittinot particularly :) but I can bring it up in my 1&1 with Steve to keep it with low noise for now13:32
seb128that would be nice13:32
seb128pitti, thanks13:36
darkxstseb128, that would be thoughts for another day, I'm barely awake as it is13:37
* darkxst goes bed!13:38
seb128darkxst, night13:38
willcookecya darkxst13:38
seb128Trevinho, ChrisTownsend, the fix for bug #1405349 seems to not work for me, I still get the issue on wily14:04
ubot5bug 1405349 in unity (Ubuntu Trusty) "switching to activated guest session causes screen blank" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/140534914:05
seb128does it work for you?14:05
ChrisTownsendseb128: I'll try it out.  I know it worked correctly when I reviewed that MP.14:18
ChrisTownsendseb128: The test case in https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/unity/screensaver-monitors-vt-changes/+merge/259534 works for me.14:24
seb128oh, maybe the indicator does something more14:31
seb128I use indicator-session to go from guest to user to guest14:31
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ChrisTownsendseb128: Yeah, you're right.  If I actually followed the directions in the bug instead of the test case in the MP, I would have caught that.14:54
ChrisTownsendseb128: It did fix the test case though:P14:54
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jhodappLaney, ping15:45
Laneyjhodapp: hiya, best to ask directly ;)15:59
jhodappLaney, well wanted to make sure you were still around before I asked16:00
LaneyI'd have responded later on, but anyway16:01
Laneyhere we are!16:01
jhodappLaney, anyway, we need to go up to gstreamer 1.5.2 for vivid+overlay, are you able to push the needed source packages into silo 21 easily?16:01
Laneyare you sure?16:03
jhodappLaney, yes because I'm trying to bring vivid+overlay up to where wily is at in terms of media-hub and such16:03
Laney1.5.x releases aren't stable16:03
Laneyyou might want to wait for 1.6 no?16:04
jhodappLaney, hmm, the only thing is it appears to fix a critical bug in the background playlist support, which is what I'm trying to land in silo 2116:05
jhodappLaney, if it's easy for you to push into the silo, can we try it? If it doesn't pass QA, then I can sync media-hub up to the point of needing 1.5.216:06
LaneyI'm sure it will basically work but I don't know if other bugs are lurking16:08
Laneyanyway, more to the point - I'm finishing shortly and then I'm away for two days so I can't help you this week I'm afraid16:08
jhodappLaney, right, it will need a very thorough QA of course, but I was already needing that for my landing16:08
Laneymaybe try seb128 ?16:08
LaneyYou'll want a plan to go to 1.6.0 without having to wade through bureaucracy :)16:09
jhodappLaney, I'm trying to get this done in the next few hours, so can you list quickly what I'd need to generate a source package of for my silo that you normally do?16:09
seb128Laney, jhodapp, sorry in an hangout, can't really read whole backlog, can you give some context?16:10
Laneyjhodapp: I'd just bump the versions to add "~overlay1" (or whatver the standard suffix is), do a test build with sbuild and then upload to the PPA if that passes16:10
Laneyseb128: gstreamer stack to an overlay silo16:10
seb128k16:10
seb128I can help with that if you want16:11
seb128it just needs to be uploaded in a silo ppa I guess16:11
jhodappseb128, oh great, that'd be awesome16:11
jhodappyes, silo 2116:11
seb128oh16:11
seb128next few hours16:11
seb128no, sorry16:11
jhodapp:)16:11
seb128I'm in an hangout and having people for dinner16:11
seb128need to wrap up and go just after that call16:11
jhodappalright16:11
Laneyif you're brave or don't care16:11
Laneythen just bump the versions and upload without test building16:11
jhodappLaney, what's the source that I need...don't know where gstreamer lives16:12
jhodappfor ubuntu packaging16:12
seb128just take the wily packages, dch -i, append ~vivid1 change target to vivid and debuild -S -sa/dput16:13
jhodappseb128, alright thanks16:14
Laneyyep16:14
jhodappawesome, thanks for the quick help guys16:14
Laneygstreamer1.0 gst-plugins-{good,bad,ugly,base}1.0 gst-libav1.016:15
Laneythink that's all16:15
jhodappawesome16:15
Laneydunno if ugly is on the image even16:15
jhodappnot by default16:15
Laneythen leave it16:15
Laneywait, not for amr?16:15
jhodappLaney, how about the gst-hybris package?16:15
Laneythat comes from bad16:16
jhodappok16:16
jhodappLaney, I'll double check, but at least that list is comprehensive enough for me to look16:16
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Noskcajcan glibmm2.4 and libgtksourceviewmm be updated to the current upstream unstable release? Both include c++11 patching22:11

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