[03:59] Good morning [06:03] good morning [06:45] bonjour didrocks! [06:47] hey pitti, how are you? [06:48] didrocks: quite well, thanks! cursing at my n00b understanding of cmake/C++ etc. [06:48] pitti: could have been worse, like qmake :) [06:48] didrocks: I'm sure I'll hit that too :) [06:49] the later, the best! :) [06:49] the better* [07:25] good morning desktopers [07:25] re seb128 [07:25] re didrocks [07:45] bonjour seb128 ! [07:45] pitti, salut, comment ça va aujourd'hui ? [07:46] seb128: je vais bien, merci ! et toi ? [07:47] pitti, je vais bien aussi, merci ;-) [07:47] seb128: having fun with fixing FTBFS of C++ packages ;) [07:47] just spent a day to unscrew a phone [07:47] which was frustrating [07:47] I had nuke the imei, needed to install specific images and tools [07:47] it's no fun to figure out all the tools and find specific roms [07:47] urgh [07:48] I once completely screwed up my Xperia [07:48] I had to install windows and some recovery windows program that reset the entire thing including the bootloader with some magic [07:48] not fun [07:48] seb128: i. e. you even broke the bootloader? [07:48] I wouldn't know how to access such a thing without fastboot [07:49] yes [07:49] the phone looked very bricked [07:49] like screen would never turn on [07:49] and it would not vibrate [07:49] but apparently it still reacts to usb plug and power button press [07:49] because some tools react when the device is plugged or button pressed [07:49] even if the device doesn't show any sign [07:50] anyway I got it fixed [07:50] great [07:50] but it took me a while to get the details right [07:50] imei is also annoying to put back [07:50] you can do it from the engineering mode on android [07:50] but that way it's not persistent [07:50] I put ubuntu back on the device and had no imei again [07:51] hey seb128 pitti didrocks [07:51] had to reput android and find other tools [07:51] oh well, it's done now [07:51] hey darkxst, how are you? [07:51] I can go back to do work ;-) [07:51] hey darkxst [07:51] good evening darkxst [07:52] pitti, I'm good, enjoying a very dry winter, although its wet today [07:53] seb128, the pkg-config checks for keybindings in compiz are not even used, so I just removed them [07:54] bug 1481541 [07:54] bug 1481541 in compiz (Ubuntu) "avoid build-dep on gnome-control-center-dev" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1481541 [07:54] morning all [07:54] hey willcooke [07:55] morning willcooke [07:56] People who know about Gnome: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2015-August/015651.html [07:56] That seems like a pretty good idea ^^ [07:56] Is it an easy job? [08:01] darkxst, great [08:02] willcooke, hey [08:02] willcooke, bug #246185 [08:02] bug 246185 in gnome-keyring (Ubuntu) ""Unlock Private Key" dialog mysteriously refers to "an application"" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/246185 [08:02] good old 6 digits bug ;-) [08:03] yo yo [08:03] hey Laney [08:03] hey Laney [08:03] bonjour Laney [08:04] hey Laney [08:07] hey didrocks and seb128 and pitti and darkxst! [08:07] what's up? [08:08] debubububuggging :) [08:08] * Laney checks http://pad.ubuntu.com/gcc-5-transition for overnight news [08:08] Laney: working full steam on FTBFS stuff [08:09] * Laney gets a mail from _rene_ about Debconf and remembers to buy $train_ticket [08:11] Laney: can all your "test builds" be removed now? [08:11] or any FTBFS there? [08:12] seb128, hrm. Seems to be that working out which application is requesting the unlock is "hard". I still think there is value in at least trying. I might add it to my wish list. What do you think? [08:12] pitti: the "Successful" bunch at the end are all uploaded [08:12] along with the unsuccessful ones because I forgot to remove those .changes files :-/ [08:13] Laney: I mean, we can just mass-delete this, or are there some FTBFSes which we need to move into that sectin? [08:13] willcooke, feel free to do, my experience says that if an annoying bug didn't get fixed in 8 years there is usually a reason ;-) [08:13] you can remove it [08:14] I'm going to check https://launchpad.net/~laney/+uploaded-packages in a minute after buying a train ticket and adding darkxst to ubuntu-desktop [08:22] willcooke, ^ what Laney said btw [08:22] seb128, Laney - thank you! [08:25] thanks for what? :) [08:25] Laney, I was trying to work out how to add darkxst - but I was struggling with permissions. And now I don't have to try! [08:25] oh right, yeah, this is the Ubuntu team not the Canonical one [08:26] that reminds me, I really should do something about Ubuntu membership [08:27] yeah, you should! [08:28] then you get the cool IRC cloak [08:28] :) [08:32] * Laney eyes the 12 hour return train [08:32] nice overnight stay in Derby anyone? [08:32] urgh [08:32] They should pay you [08:33] hah [08:33] too right [08:33] Laney: to go to debconf? [08:33] ye [08:34] there is actually a train from st pancras at 22:00 [08:34] flight gets in at 20:20 [08:34] seems tight [08:36] or get to derby then catch the bus [08:36] meh [08:37] * Laney books === ltsampro` is now known as ltsampros [09:44] tiheum, hey, nice to see all those icons fixes, do you know when you plan to do a landing? [09:47] seb128: Hi, I have still a few updates to do this week (we're in a bug sprint). But we could create a silo next week so the landing might be quite soon. [09:48] tiheum, ok, great, can you ping me when you get a silo so I can test code changes to use the new icons? [09:48] seb128, sure [09:48] tiheum, thanks [09:53] 7 minutes to go ... [10:03] and http://www.libreoffice.org/ looking all shiny ... [10:04] ${major_version}++ ? [10:04] Laney: yep, LibreOffice 5.0 with some shiny new branding. [10:06] ricotz: feel free to copy over 5.0.0 for vivid/precise/wily to the fresh ppa too now. Its officially released although the full PR will be delayed a bit for $reasons. [10:07] happyaron: want to grab our Ubuntu delta for zinnia to Debian for debian bug #791322? [10:07] Debian bug 791322 in src:zinnia "zinnia: library transition may be needed when GCC 5 is the default" [Important,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/791322 [10:09] Sweet5hark, done [10:13] ricotz: thanks! [10:13] maaaaaaan, it sucks not having my own internet connection [10:17] chrisccoulson, at the mercy of cafe wifi? [10:17] willcooke, not quite - my Mum's wifi [10:17] worse than cafe if PE28 internet is anything to go by :) [10:17] :) [10:20] chrisccoulson: weren't you moving out to the sticks? [10:21] Laney, they have adsl in the sticks [10:21] Laney, not quite the sticks - I'm right on the edge of a small market town. We have fibre here (our cabinet was upgraded a few weeks ago), but I need to wait for Openreach [10:21] or atleast I do! [10:22] I'm here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bourne,_Lincolnshire [10:23] darkxst: indeed! I think they get about 512kbps or maybe a bit more these days but it's better than dialup at least [10:24] chrisccoulson: not far from good old p-town [10:24] but I am less than a km from the exchange so its good [10:24] I remember phoning up BT as a youth to beg for DSL [10:24] we were 3 houses too far away from the exchange by copper length [10:29] Laney, but the people who live right next to their exchange aren't laughing now (if they're on exchange-only lines) [10:30] I looked at a house on an EO line - it's stuck with ADSL [10:30] oh really? [10:34] Laney, apparently they need to install a cabinet next to the exchange and move the lines across, which is a lot more work and costs quite a bit [10:43] seb128, Laney - in larsu's absence a quick question... the scroll bars in the dash in 15.10 are still the original Unity ones - will that change and they will become the new OSB? [10:43] no [10:43] I pointed that out by then, I don't think anyone took an action item to change them [10:44] those are a custom unity thing, so I guess it's up to our unity people to say how much work that would be [10:44] muhahahah [10:44] my gut feeling is that it's going to be non trivial and maybe not the top priority/most important thing to work on [10:44] though consistency would be good [10:45] yeah, I agree - but I'll ask Trevinho tomorrow when he's back (if I remember). Seems like a valid target for 16.04 though - depending on LOE [10:46] indeed [10:46] would be good to have a bug for it [10:47] Laney, against Unity right? [10:48] I think nux draws those [10:48] thx [10:53] lunch, bbiab === pstolowski is now known as pstolowski|lunch [11:57] I'm getting really tired with this stupid unity launcher hides behind all windows bug [11:57] I seem to be able to reproduce it somewhat reliable by launching a tcltk app [11:57] any hints on debugging the cause? [11:59] probably want Trevinho, who should be around from tomorrow [12:01] * Laney goes to collect suit from dry cleaners [12:01] k, I have no clue about how to tackle gui/WM issues [12:05] heh, tcltk is still a thing ? [12:07] unfortunately === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [12:07] too many useful science tools are written in it [12:08] hey willcooke [12:08] willcooke: so, I set up a new gaming machine over the weekend [12:08] willcooke: and I'd like to formally beg for us to do a better job bringing stable nvidia drivers to the LTS [12:10] WHATS WRONG WITH THEM ? MY DESKTOP RUNS STEAM STUFF JUST FINE [12:10] EEEK [12:10] sorry [12:10] * ogra_ hands out earplugs to the room [12:12] wasn't nvida updated on stable just a few days ago? [12:12] which is nice because it removed the need for me to patch the package for the 3.19 lts kernel :) [12:12] yep, i just got the updaate today [12:14] check the versions, those are old [12:15] well, the edgers PPA might have newer ones if they dont suffice for you [12:16] my gtk970 is definitely good enough with the shipped drivers for running borderlands2 or metro on my triple head setup at usable FPS [12:16] *gtx === pstolowski|lunch is now known as pstolowski [12:19] I'd just like for there to be "I'm a gamer just get the latest nvidia" without needing edger PPAs. [12:19] https://launchpad.net/~mamarley/+archive/ubuntu/nvidia [12:19] kind of what like this guy is doing but more official [12:20] ogra_: also, get shadow of mordor, it's quite excellent and will exercise your 970 [12:24] jcastro, well, then tseliot would need to live in the future or some such :) [12:25] it requires some time to package and QA the new driver [12:25] (just to let a stereotype out: snappy will fix that ;) ) [12:29] yea, I just don't like being so behind on the drivers with all these new games coming out. [12:30] right, it's not that easy - we don't maintain the Nvidia drivers, and we dont have the resources or skillsets to do that. [12:30] plus QA of course [12:31] in the bright and shiny future you will just install nvidia-gamer-kernel-latest.snap and be done ;) [12:31] I look forward to it! [12:31] yeah I get all that, it just doesn't help me today. :) [12:32] well, there were reasons we started snappy ;) [12:32] this is one of them [12:45] jcastro: what driver version do you need? [12:47] tseliot: 352.30 [12:48] tseliot, hi, the packaging could really use some updates, also in regard for 355.x [12:49] I'm waiting for 352 to be approved in wily-proposed (I uploaded that on July 23 but it's still in NEW) [12:49] tseliot, as usual please take the tarballs from edgers [12:50] ricotz: yes, I have the code in my local branch but I won't upload 355 (as it's a short lived release). I can certainly push 355 to my git branch though [12:51] tseliot, ok, I am more talking about finally using debsrc 3.0 for driver and settings [12:51] tseliot, and fixing this weird kernel 3.18 patch ;) [12:51] ricotz: are you saying that you did the work yourself (in which case patches are welcome), or that I should be working on it? [12:52] and what's wrong with the patch for 3.18? [12:52] meaning I updated the packaging for 355 and properly tweaked the patch [12:52] I didn't move it to debsrc3 [12:53] ricotz: I have some commits by NVIDIA for 355, so you might want to use those instead [12:55] tseliot, https://paste.debian.net/plain/289365 [12:55] as for debsrc3, I'm already busy with a lot of other stuff, so I don't see that happening any time soon [12:56] right [12:56] (or better finding out why conftest.sh isnt working properly) [12:57] I will [12:57] there are also some obsolete files too [12:58] like debian/dkms.conf [12:58] ok [12:58] right === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [13:02] tseliot, feel free to push your 355 changes [13:02] ricotz: I will [13:16] willcooke, "** Tags added: rls-w-incomming" [13:16] willcooke, I guess it's a typo in this one, but mentioning it in case, the tag name has one "m" only [13:16] I fixed this one [13:17] argh. I suck. Thanks seb128 [13:17] yw! [13:18] pitti, that hostname bug, do you think /etc/hosts should be updated? or it's fine to have it keeping the old name? [13:19] seb128: as long as nsswitch.conf contains myhostname, it doesn't need to be updated [13:19] "it" == /etc/hsots [13:20] k [13:20] I wonder if we should resume that discussion [13:20] or just add the recommends to u-c-c [13:20] since it's in systemd now and doesn't need a mir [13:22] installing libnss-myhostname auto-adds itself to nsswitch, so merely recommending it indeed ought to fix it for phone images [13:22] didn't slangasek have a problem with libnss-myhostname? [13:23] pitti, I was thinking desktop more than phone, I don't think we have an UI to change hostname on the phone [13:23] Laney, he did yes, which is why I said " I wonder if we should resume that discussion" [13:23] ah, ok [13:23] ok, just checking [13:23] Laney, I would just do it otherwise [13:24] ah, I'm not aware of slangasek's concerns there [13:24] pitti, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libnss-myhostname/+bug/1162478/comments/6 [13:24] Ubuntu bug 1162478 in libnss-myhostname (Ubuntu) "[FFe] [MIR] libnss-myhostname" [Undecided,Invalid] [13:26] pitti, do you know if systemd upstream refuses to update /etc/hosts on principle or what's the issue there? [13:26] hm, *shrug* [13:26] well, it's keeping the same information in two different files, and /etc/hosts is rather pointless [13:26] they (and other people too, like xnox) are trying to get rid of files in /etc/ [13:26] and /etc/hosts is one of these "unbreak my system" ones which need to be there with an exactly defined contents [13:27] so I disagree with Steve on that [13:27] how do you recommend moving forward? [13:27] 1- just add the recommends and ignore Steve [13:27] 2- try to have that discussion again, maybe on ubuntu-devel@ [13:28] 3- disable hostname change in u-c-c [13:28] ? [13:28] having the rename available but buggy is worth than not having it [13:29] seb128, yes, that also affects us, in fact we probably filed the original MIR [13:29] darkxst, well, systemd is in main so as far as your are concerned you can add that recommends and be done with it [13:29] having the discussion before feature freeze again could help [13:29] Steve wrote on that bugs that flavor decide for themselve [13:29] but it wasn't back then? [13:30] back then nss-myhostname was a standalone thing [13:30] and MIR was rejected [13:30] now it's in systemd [13:30] so it's in main [13:30] darkxst, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libnss-myhostname/+bug/1162478/comments/8 [13:30] Ubuntu bug 1162478 in libnss-myhostname (Ubuntu) "[FFe] [MIR] libnss-myhostname" [Undecided,Invalid] [13:31] I do agree that if we adopt it, we shouldn't bring it in by way of gnome-control-center, but install it by default and stop creating /etc/hosts [13:31] pitti, is that a discussion you are wanting to start maybe? [13:32] not particularly :) but I can bring it up in my 1&1 with Steve to keep it with low noise for now [13:32] that would be nice [13:36] pitti, thanks [13:37] seb128, that would be thoughts for another day, I'm barely awake as it is [13:38] * darkxst goes bed! [13:38] darkxst, night [13:38] cya darkxst [14:04] Trevinho, ChrisTownsend, the fix for bug #1405349 seems to not work for me, I still get the issue on wily [14:05] bug 1405349 in unity (Ubuntu Trusty) "switching to activated guest session causes screen blank" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1405349 [14:05] does it work for you? [14:18] seb128: I'll try it out. I know it worked correctly when I reviewed that MP. [14:24] seb128: The test case in https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/unity/screensaver-monitors-vt-changes/+merge/259534 works for me. [14:31] oh, maybe the indicator does something more [14:31] I use indicator-session to go from guest to user to guest === vrruiz_ is now known as rvr [14:54] seb128: Yeah, you're right. If I actually followed the directions in the bug instead of the test case in the MP, I would have caught that. [14:54] seb128: It did fix the test case though:P === Tm_Tr is now known as Guest98434 [15:45] Laney, ping [15:59] jhodapp: hiya, best to ask directly ;) [16:00] Laney, well wanted to make sure you were still around before I asked [16:01] I'd have responded later on, but anyway [16:01] here we are! [16:01] Laney, anyway, we need to go up to gstreamer 1.5.2 for vivid+overlay, are you able to push the needed source packages into silo 21 easily? [16:03] are you sure? [16:03] Laney, yes because I'm trying to bring vivid+overlay up to where wily is at in terms of media-hub and such [16:03] 1.5.x releases aren't stable [16:04] you might want to wait for 1.6 no? [16:05] Laney, hmm, the only thing is it appears to fix a critical bug in the background playlist support, which is what I'm trying to land in silo 21 [16:06] Laney, if it's easy for you to push into the silo, can we try it? If it doesn't pass QA, then I can sync media-hub up to the point of needing 1.5.2 [16:08] I'm sure it will basically work but I don't know if other bugs are lurking [16:08] anyway, more to the point - I'm finishing shortly and then I'm away for two days so I can't help you this week I'm afraid [16:08] Laney, right, it will need a very thorough QA of course, but I was already needing that for my landing [16:08] maybe try seb128 ? [16:09] You'll want a plan to go to 1.6.0 without having to wade through bureaucracy :) [16:09] Laney, I'm trying to get this done in the next few hours, so can you list quickly what I'd need to generate a source package of for my silo that you normally do? [16:10] Laney, jhodapp, sorry in an hangout, can't really read whole backlog, can you give some context? [16:10] jhodapp: I'd just bump the versions to add "~overlay1" (or whatver the standard suffix is), do a test build with sbuild and then upload to the PPA if that passes [16:10] seb128: gstreamer stack to an overlay silo [16:10] k [16:11] I can help with that if you want [16:11] it just needs to be uploaded in a silo ppa I guess [16:11] seb128, oh great, that'd be awesome [16:11] yes, silo 21 [16:11] oh [16:11] next few hours [16:11] no, sorry [16:11] :) [16:11] I'm in an hangout and having people for dinner [16:11] need to wrap up and go just after that call [16:11] alright [16:11] if you're brave or don't care [16:11] then just bump the versions and upload without test building [16:12] Laney, what's the source that I need...don't know where gstreamer lives [16:12] for ubuntu packaging [16:13] just take the wily packages, dch -i, append ~vivid1 change target to vivid and debuild -S -sa/dput [16:14] seb128, alright thanks [16:14] yep [16:14] awesome, thanks for the quick help guys [16:15] gstreamer1.0 gst-plugins-{good,bad,ugly,base}1.0 gst-libav1.0 [16:15] think that's all [16:15] awesome [16:15] dunno if ugly is on the image even [16:15] not by default [16:15] then leave it [16:15] wait, not for amr? [16:15] Laney, how about the gst-hybris package? [16:16] that comes from bad [16:16] ok [16:16] Laney, I'll double check, but at least that list is comprehensive enough for me to look === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD === CrazyMelon is now known as CrazyLemon [22:11] can glibmm2.4 and libgtksourceviewmm be updated to the current upstream unstable release? Both include c++11 patching