[03:59] <pitti> Good morning
[06:03] <didrocks> good morning
[06:45] <pitti> bonjour didrocks!
[06:47] <didrocks> hey pitti, how are you?
[06:48] <pitti> didrocks: quite well, thanks! cursing at my n00b understanding of cmake/C++ etc.
[06:48] <didrocks> pitti: could have been worse, like qmake :)
[06:48] <pitti> didrocks: I'm sure I'll hit that too :)
[06:49] <didrocks> the later, the best! :)
[06:49] <didrocks> the better*
[07:25] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[07:25] <didrocks> re seb128
[07:25] <seb128> re didrocks
[07:45] <pitti> bonjour seb128 !
[07:45] <seb128> pitti, salut, comment ça va aujourd'hui ?
[07:46] <pitti> seb128: je vais bien, merci ! et toi ?
[07:47] <seb128> pitti, je vais bien aussi, merci ;-)
[07:47] <pitti> seb128: having fun with fixing FTBFS of C++ packages ;)
[07:47] <seb128> just spent a day to unscrew a phone
[07:47] <seb128> which was frustrating
[07:47] <seb128> I had nuke the imei, needed to install specific images and tools
[07:47] <seb128> it's no fun to figure out all the tools and find specific roms
[07:47] <pitti> urgh
[07:48] <pitti> I once completely screwed up my Xperia
[07:48] <pitti> I had to install windows and some recovery windows program that reset the entire thing including the bootloader with some magic
[07:48] <pitti> not fun
[07:48] <pitti> seb128: i. e. you even broke the bootloader?
[07:48] <pitti> I wouldn't know how to access such a thing without fastboot
[07:49] <seb128> yes
[07:49] <seb128> the phone looked very bricked
[07:49] <seb128> like screen would never turn on
[07:49] <seb128> and it would not vibrate
[07:49] <seb128> but apparently it still reacts to usb plug and power button press
[07:49] <seb128> because some tools react when the device is plugged or button pressed
[07:49] <seb128> even if the device doesn't show any sign
[07:50] <seb128> anyway I got it fixed
[07:50] <pitti> great
[07:50] <seb128> but it took me a while to get the details right
[07:50] <seb128> imei is also annoying to put back
[07:50] <seb128> you can do it from the engineering mode on android
[07:50] <seb128> but that way it's not persistent
[07:50] <seb128> I put ubuntu back on the device and had no imei again
[07:51] <darkxst> hey seb128 pitti didrocks
[07:51] <seb128> had to reput android and find other tools
[07:51] <seb128> oh well, it's done now
[07:51] <pitti> hey darkxst, how are you?
[07:51] <seb128> I can go back to do work ;-)
[07:51] <seb128> hey darkxst
[07:51] <didrocks> good evening darkxst
[07:52] <darkxst> pitti, I'm good, enjoying a very dry winter, although its wet today
[07:53] <darkxst> seb128, the pkg-config checks for keybindings in compiz are not even used, so I just removed them
[07:54] <darkxst> bug 1481541
[07:54] <willcooke> morning all
[07:54] <darkxst> hey willcooke
[07:55] <didrocks> morning willcooke
[07:56] <willcooke> People who know about Gnome:  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2015-August/015651.html
[07:56] <willcooke> That seems like a pretty good idea ^^
[07:56] <willcooke> Is it an easy job?
[08:01] <seb128> darkxst, great
[08:02] <seb128> willcooke, hey
[08:02] <seb128> willcooke, bug #246185
[08:02] <seb128> good old 6 digits bug ;-)
[08:03] <Laney> yo yo
[08:03] <didrocks> hey Laney
[08:03] <seb128> hey Laney
[08:03] <pitti> bonjour Laney
[08:04] <darkxst> hey Laney
[08:07] <Laney> hey didrocks and seb128 and pitti and darkxst!
[08:07] <Laney> what's up?
[08:08] <didrocks> debubububuggging :)
[08:08]  * Laney checks http://pad.ubuntu.com/gcc-5-transition for overnight news
[08:08] <pitti> Laney: working full steam on FTBFS stuff
[08:09]  * Laney gets a mail from _rene_ about Debconf and remembers to buy $train_ticket
[08:11] <pitti> Laney: can all your "test builds" be removed now?
[08:11] <pitti> or any FTBFS there?
[08:12] <willcooke> seb128, hrm.  Seems to be that working out which application is requesting the unlock is "hard".  I still think there is value in at least trying.  I might add it to my wish list.  What do you think?
[08:12] <Laney> pitti: the "Successful" bunch at the end are all uploaded
[08:12] <Laney> along with the unsuccessful ones because I forgot to remove those .changes files :-/
[08:13] <pitti> Laney: I mean, we can just mass-delete this, or are there some FTBFSes which we need to move into that sectin?
[08:13] <seb128> willcooke, feel free to do, my experience says that if an annoying bug didn't get fixed in 8 years there is usually a reason ;-)
[08:13] <Laney> you can remove it
[08:14] <Laney> I'm going to check https://launchpad.net/~laney/+uploaded-packages in a minute after buying a train ticket and adding darkxst to ubuntu-desktop
[08:22] <seb128> willcooke, ^ what Laney said btw
[08:22] <willcooke> seb128, Laney - thank you!
[08:25] <Laney> thanks for what? :)
[08:25] <willcooke> Laney, I was trying to work out how to add darkxst - but I was struggling with permissions.  And now I don't have to try!
[08:25] <Laney> oh right, yeah, this is the Ubuntu team not the Canonical one
[08:26] <willcooke> that reminds me, I really should do something about Ubuntu membership
[08:27] <seb128> yeah, you should!
[08:28] <Laney> then you get the cool IRC cloak
[08:28] <willcooke> :)
[08:32]  * Laney eyes the 12 hour return train
[08:32] <Laney> nice overnight stay in Derby anyone?
[08:32] <willcooke> urgh
[08:32] <willcooke> They should pay you
[08:33] <Laney> hah
[08:33] <Laney> too right
[08:33] <didrocks> Laney: to go to debconf?
[08:33] <Laney> ye
[08:34] <Laney> there is actually a train from st pancras at 22:00
[08:34] <Laney> flight gets in at 20:20
[08:34] <Laney> seems tight
[08:36] <Laney> or get to derby then catch the bus
[08:36] <Laney> meh
[08:37]  * Laney books
[09:44] <seb128> tiheum, hey, nice to see all those icons fixes, do you know when you plan to do a landing?
[09:47] <tiheum> seb128: Hi, I have still a few updates to do this week (we're in a bug sprint). But we could create a silo next week so the landing might be quite soon.
[09:48] <seb128> tiheum, ok, great, can you ping me when you get a silo so I can test code changes to use the new icons?
[09:48] <tiheum> seb128, sure
[09:48] <seb128> tiheum, thanks
[09:53] <Sweet5hark> 7 minutes to go ...
[10:03] <Sweet5hark> and http://www.libreoffice.org/ looking all shiny ...
[10:04] <Laney> ${major_version}++ ?
[10:04] <Sweet5hark> Laney: yep, LibreOffice 5.0 with some shiny new branding.
[10:06] <Sweet5hark> ricotz: feel free to copy over 5.0.0 for vivid/precise/wily to the fresh ppa too now. Its officially released although the full PR will be delayed a bit for $reasons.
[10:07] <Laney> happyaron: want to grab our Ubuntu delta for zinnia to Debian for debian bug #791322?
[10:09] <ricotz> Sweet5hark, done
[10:13] <Sweet5hark> ricotz: thanks!
[10:13] <chrisccoulson> maaaaaaan, it sucks not having my own internet connection
[10:17] <willcooke> chrisccoulson, at the mercy of cafe wifi?
[10:17] <chrisccoulson> willcooke, not quite - my Mum's wifi
[10:17] <Laney> worse than cafe if PE28 internet is anything to go by :)
[10:17] <willcooke> :)
[10:20] <Laney> chrisccoulson: weren't you moving out to the sticks?
[10:21] <darkxst> Laney, they have adsl in the sticks
[10:21] <chrisccoulson> Laney, not quite the sticks - I'm right on the edge of a small market town. We have fibre here (our cabinet was upgraded a few weeks ago), but I need to wait for Openreach
[10:21] <darkxst> or atleast I do!
[10:22] <chrisccoulson> I'm here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bourne,_Lincolnshire
[10:23] <Laney> darkxst: indeed! I think they get about 512kbps or maybe a bit more these days but it's better than dialup at least
[10:24] <Laney> chrisccoulson: not far from good old p-town
[10:24] <darkxst> but I am less than a km from the exchange so its good
[10:24] <Laney> I remember phoning up BT as a youth to beg for DSL
[10:24] <Laney> we were 3 houses too far away from the exchange by copper length
[10:29] <chrisccoulson> Laney, but the people who live right next to their exchange aren't laughing now (if they're on exchange-only lines)
[10:30] <chrisccoulson> I looked at a house on an EO line - it's stuck with ADSL
[10:30] <Laney> oh really?
[10:34] <chrisccoulson> Laney, apparently they need to install a cabinet next to the exchange and move the lines across, which is a lot more work and costs quite a bit
[10:43] <willcooke> seb128, Laney - in larsu's absence a quick question... the scroll bars in the dash in 15.10 are still the original Unity ones - will that change and they will become the new OSB?
[10:43] <seb128> no
[10:43] <seb128> I pointed that out by then, I don't think anyone took an action item to change them
[10:44] <seb128> those are a custom unity thing, so I guess it's up to our unity people to say how much work that would be
[10:44] <willcooke> muhahahah
[10:44] <seb128> my gut feeling is that it's going to be non trivial and maybe not the top priority/most important thing to work on
[10:44] <seb128> though consistency would be good
[10:45] <willcooke> yeah, I agree - but I'll ask Trevinho tomorrow when he's back (if I remember).  Seems like a valid target for 16.04 though - depending  on LOE
[10:46] <Laney> indeed
[10:46] <Laney> would be good to have a bug for it
[10:47] <willcooke> Laney, against Unity right?
[10:48] <Laney> I think nux draws those
[10:48] <willcooke> thx
[10:53] <seb128> lunch, bbiab
[11:57] <jtaylor> I'm getting really tired with this stupid unity launcher hides behind all windows bug
[11:57] <jtaylor> I seem to be able to reproduce it somewhat reliable by launching a tcltk app
[11:57] <jtaylor> any hints on debugging the cause?
[11:59] <Laney> probably want Trevinho, who should be around from tomorrow
[12:01]  * Laney goes to collect suit from dry cleaners
[12:01] <jtaylor> k, I have no clue about how to tackle gui/WM issues
[12:05] <ogra_> heh, tcltk is still a thing ?
[12:07] <jtaylor> unfortunately
[12:07] <jtaylor> too many useful science tools are written in it
[12:08] <jcastro> hey willcooke
[12:08] <jcastro> willcooke: so, I set up a new gaming machine over the weekend
[12:08] <jcastro> willcooke: and I'd like to formally beg for us to do a better job bringing stable nvidia drivers to the LTS
[12:10] <ogra_> WHATS WRONG WITH THEM ? MY DESKTOP RUNS STEAM STUFF JUST FINE
[12:10] <ogra_> EEEK
[12:10] <ogra_> sorry
[12:10]  * ogra_ hands out earplugs to the room
[12:12] <jtaylor> wasn't nvida updated on stable just a few days ago?
[12:12] <jtaylor> which is nice because it removed the need for me to patch the package for the 3.19 lts kernel :)
[12:12] <ogra_> yep, i just got the updaate today
[12:14] <jcastro> check the versions, those are old
[12:15] <ogra_> well, the edgers PPA might have newer ones if they dont suffice for you
[12:16] <ogra_> my gtk970 is definitely good enough with the shipped drivers for running borderlands2 or metro on my triple head setup at usable FPS
[12:16] <ogra_> *gtx
[12:19] <jcastro> I'd just like for there to be "I'm a gamer just get the latest nvidia" without needing edger PPAs.
[12:19] <jcastro> https://launchpad.net/~mamarley/+archive/ubuntu/nvidia
[12:19] <jcastro> kind of what like this guy is doing but more official
[12:20] <jcastro> ogra_: also, get shadow of mordor, it's quite excellent and will exercise your 970
[12:24] <ogra_> jcastro, well, then tseliot would need to live in the future or some such :)
[12:25] <ogra_> it requires some time to package and QA the new driver
[12:25] <ogra_> (just to let a stereotype out: snappy will fix that ;) )
[12:29] <jcastro> yea, I just don't like being so behind on the drivers with all these new games coming out.
[12:30] <willcooke> right, it's not that easy - we don't maintain the Nvidia drivers, and we dont have the resources or skillsets to do that.
[12:30] <willcooke> plus QA of course
[12:31] <ogra_> in the bright and shiny future you will just install nvidia-gamer-kernel-latest.snap and be done ;)
[12:31] <willcooke> I look forward to it!
[12:31] <jcastro> yeah I get all that, it just doesn't help me today. :)
[12:32] <ogra_> well, there were reasons we started snappy ;)
[12:32] <ogra_> this is one of them
[12:45] <tseliot> jcastro: what driver version do you need?
[12:47] <jcastro> tseliot: 352.30
[12:48] <ricotz> tseliot, hi, the packaging could really use some updates, also in regard for 355.x
[12:49] <tseliot> I'm waiting for 352 to be approved in wily-proposed (I uploaded that on July 23 but it's still in NEW)
[12:49] <ricotz> tseliot, as usual please take the tarballs from edgers
[12:50] <tseliot> ricotz: yes, I have the code in my local branch but I won't upload 355 (as it's a short lived release). I can certainly push 355 to my git branch though
[12:51] <ricotz> tseliot, ok, I am more talking about finally using debsrc 3.0 for driver and settings
[12:51] <ricotz> tseliot, and fixing this weird kernel 3.18 patch ;)
[12:51] <tseliot> ricotz: are you saying that you did the work yourself (in which case patches are welcome), or that I should be working on it?
[12:52] <tseliot> and what's wrong with the patch for 3.18?
[12:52] <ricotz> meaning I updated the packaging for 355 and properly tweaked the patch
[12:52] <ricotz> I didn't move it to debsrc3
[12:53] <tseliot> ricotz: I have some commits by NVIDIA for 355, so you might want to use those instead
[12:55] <ricotz> tseliot, https://paste.debian.net/plain/289365
[12:55] <tseliot> as for debsrc3, I'm already busy with a lot of other stuff, so I don't see that happening any time soon
[12:56] <tseliot> right
[12:56] <ricotz> (or better finding out why conftest.sh isnt working properly)
[12:57] <tseliot> I will
[12:57] <ricotz> there are also some obsolete files too
[12:58] <ricotz> like debian/dkms.conf
[12:58] <ricotz> ok
[12:58] <tseliot> right
[13:02] <ricotz> tseliot, feel free to push your 355 changes
[13:02] <tseliot> ricotz: I will
[13:16] <seb128> willcooke, "** Tags added: rls-w-incomming"
[13:16] <seb128> willcooke, I guess it's a typo in this one, but mentioning it in case, the tag name has one "m" only
[13:16] <seb128> I fixed this one
[13:17] <willcooke> argh.  I suck.  Thanks seb128
[13:17] <seb128> yw!
[13:18] <seb128> pitti, that hostname bug, do you think /etc/hosts should be updated? or it's fine to have it keeping the old name?
[13:19] <pitti> seb128: as long as nsswitch.conf contains myhostname, it doesn't need to be updated
[13:19] <pitti> "it" == /etc/hsots
[13:20] <seb128> k
[13:20] <seb128> I wonder if we should resume that discussion
[13:20] <seb128> or just add the recommends to u-c-c
[13:20] <seb128> since it's in systemd now and doesn't need a mir
[13:22] <pitti> installing libnss-myhostname auto-adds itself to nsswitch, so merely recommending it indeed ought to fix it for phone images
[13:22] <Laney> didn't slangasek have a problem with libnss-myhostname?
[13:23] <seb128> pitti, I was thinking desktop more than phone, I don't think we have an UI to change hostname on the phone
[13:23] <seb128> Laney, he did yes, which is why I said " I wonder if we should resume that discussion"
[13:23] <pitti> ah, ok
[13:23] <Laney> ok, just checking
[13:23] <seb128> Laney, I would just do it otherwise
[13:24] <pitti> ah, I'm not aware of slangasek's concerns there
[13:24] <seb128> pitti, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libnss-myhostname/+bug/1162478/comments/6
[13:26] <seb128> pitti, do you know if systemd upstream refuses to update /etc/hosts on principle or what's the issue there?
[13:26] <pitti> hm, *shrug*
[13:26] <pitti> well, it's keeping the same information in two different files, and /etc/hosts is rather pointless
[13:26] <pitti> they (and other people too, like xnox) are trying to get rid of files in /etc/
[13:26] <pitti> and /etc/hosts is one of these "unbreak my system" ones which need to be there with an exactly defined contents
[13:27] <pitti> so I disagree with Steve on that
[13:27] <seb128> how do you recommend moving forward?
[13:27] <seb128> 1- just add the recommends and ignore Steve
[13:27] <seb128> 2- try to have that discussion again, maybe on ubuntu-devel@
[13:28] <seb128> 3- disable hostname change in u-c-c
[13:28] <seb128> ?
[13:28] <seb128> having the rename available but buggy is worth than not having it
[13:29] <darkxst> seb128, yes, that also affects us, in fact we probably filed the original MIR
[13:29] <seb128> darkxst, well, systemd is in main so as far as your are concerned you can add that recommends and be done with it
[13:29] <darkxst> having the discussion before feature freeze again could help
[13:29] <seb128> Steve wrote on that bugs that flavor decide for themselve
[13:29] <darkxst> but it wasn't back then?
[13:30] <seb128> back then nss-myhostname was a standalone thing
[13:30] <seb128> and MIR was rejected
[13:30] <seb128> now it's in systemd
[13:30] <seb128> so it's in main
[13:30] <seb128> darkxst, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libnss-myhostname/+bug/1162478/comments/8
[13:31] <pitti> I do agree that if we adopt it, we shouldn't bring it in by way of gnome-control-center, but install it by default and stop creating /etc/hosts
[13:31] <seb128> pitti, is that a discussion you are wanting to start maybe?
[13:32] <pitti> not particularly :) but I can bring it up in my 1&1 with Steve to keep it with low noise for now
[13:32] <seb128> that would be nice
[13:36] <seb128> pitti, thanks
[13:37] <darkxst> seb128, that would be thoughts for another day, I'm barely awake as it is
[13:38]  * darkxst goes bed!
[13:38] <seb128> darkxst, night
[13:38] <willcooke> cya darkxst
[14:04] <seb128> Trevinho, ChrisTownsend, the fix for bug #1405349 seems to not work for me, I still get the issue on wily
[14:05] <seb128> does it work for you?
[14:18] <ChrisTownsend> seb128: I'll try it out.  I know it worked correctly when I reviewed that MP.
[14:24] <ChrisTownsend> seb128: The test case in https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/unity/screensaver-monitors-vt-changes/+merge/259534 works for me.
[14:31] <seb128> oh, maybe the indicator does something more
[14:31] <seb128> I use indicator-session to go from guest to user to guest
[14:54] <ChrisTownsend> seb128: Yeah, you're right.  If I actually followed the directions in the bug instead of the test case in the MP, I would have caught that.
[14:54] <ChrisTownsend> seb128: It did fix the test case though:P
[15:45] <jhodapp> Laney, ping
[15:59] <Laney> jhodapp: hiya, best to ask directly ;)
[16:00] <jhodapp> Laney, well wanted to make sure you were still around before I asked
[16:01] <Laney> I'd have responded later on, but anyway
[16:01] <Laney> here we are!
[16:01] <jhodapp> Laney, anyway, we need to go up to gstreamer 1.5.2 for vivid+overlay, are you able to push the needed source packages into silo 21 easily?
[16:03] <Laney> are you sure?
[16:03] <jhodapp> Laney, yes because I'm trying to bring vivid+overlay up to where wily is at in terms of media-hub and such
[16:03] <Laney> 1.5.x releases aren't stable
[16:04] <Laney> you might want to wait for 1.6 no?
[16:05] <jhodapp> Laney, hmm, the only thing is it appears to fix a critical bug in the background playlist support, which is what I'm trying to land in silo 21
[16:06] <jhodapp> Laney, if it's easy for you to push into the silo, can we try it? If it doesn't pass QA, then I can sync media-hub up to the point of needing 1.5.2
[16:08] <Laney> I'm sure it will basically work but I don't know if other bugs are lurking
[16:08] <Laney> anyway, more to the point - I'm finishing shortly and then I'm away for two days so I can't help you this week I'm afraid
[16:08] <jhodapp> Laney, right, it will need a very thorough QA of course, but I was already needing that for my landing
[16:08] <Laney> maybe try seb128 ?
[16:09] <Laney> You'll want a plan to go to 1.6.0 without having to wade through bureaucracy :)
[16:09] <jhodapp> Laney, I'm trying to get this done in the next few hours, so can you list quickly what I'd need to generate a source package of for my silo that you normally do?
[16:10] <seb128> Laney, jhodapp, sorry in an hangout, can't really read whole backlog, can you give some context?
[16:10] <Laney> jhodapp: I'd just bump the versions to add "~overlay1" (or whatver the standard suffix is), do a test build with sbuild and then upload to the PPA if that passes
[16:10] <Laney> seb128: gstreamer stack to an overlay silo
[16:10] <seb128> k
[16:11] <seb128> I can help with that if you want
[16:11] <seb128> it just needs to be uploaded in a silo ppa I guess
[16:11] <jhodapp> seb128, oh great, that'd be awesome
[16:11] <jhodapp> yes, silo 21
[16:11] <seb128> oh
[16:11] <seb128> next few hours
[16:11] <seb128> no, sorry
[16:11] <jhodapp> :)
[16:11] <seb128> I'm in an hangout and having people for dinner
[16:11] <seb128> need to wrap up and go just after that call
[16:11] <jhodapp> alright
[16:11] <Laney> if you're brave or don't care
[16:11] <Laney> then just bump the versions and upload without test building
[16:12] <jhodapp> Laney, what's the source that I need...don't know where gstreamer lives
[16:12] <jhodapp> for ubuntu packaging
[16:13] <seb128> just take the wily packages, dch -i, append ~vivid1 change target to vivid and debuild -S -sa/dput
[16:14] <jhodapp> seb128, alright thanks
[16:14] <Laney> yep
[16:14] <jhodapp> awesome, thanks for the quick help guys
[16:15] <Laney> gstreamer1.0 gst-plugins-{good,bad,ugly,base}1.0 gst-libav1.0
[16:15] <Laney> think that's all
[16:15] <jhodapp> awesome
[16:15] <Laney> dunno if ugly is on the image even
[16:15] <jhodapp> not by default
[16:15] <Laney> then leave it
[16:15] <Laney> wait, not for amr?
[16:15] <jhodapp> Laney, how about the gst-hybris package?
[16:16] <Laney> that comes from bad
[16:16] <jhodapp> ok
[16:16] <jhodapp> Laney, I'll double check, but at least that list is comprehensive enough for me to look
[22:11] <Noskcaj> can glibmm2.4 and libgtksourceviewmm be updated to the current upstream unstable release? Both include c++11 patching