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| dholbach | good morning | 06:57 |
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| JamesTait | Good morning all; happy Work Like A Dog Day! 😃 | 08:31 |
| justCarakas | woef | 08:32 |
| Hawk_ | orga_ , after changing console=tty0, it just hung on boot logo | 08:53 |
| jgdx | mandel, ping | 09:07 |
| ogra_ | HaoLi, awesome ... so you got over the hump :) | 09:22 |
| HaoLi | ogra_,hello | 09:25 |
| ogra_ | your next prob is that adbd wont let you in ... (it checks for the screen lock state and only starts after the android container is fully up, which i guess is the bit failing for you now) | 09:26 |
| morphis | some one here cross-building packages for touch too? | 10:07 |
| morphis | always getting problems with python3.4 in vivid with sbuild (see http://paste.ubuntu.com/12005895/) | 10:08 |
| morphis | ogra_: any idea? | 10:09 |
| ogra_ | nope, i either build natively on a chromebook in a chroot or i use qemu-user-static (which i think sbuild uses too) | 10:11 |
| ogra_ | or i just use a native PPA ;) | 10:11 |
| morphis | hm | 10:11 |
| morphis | ogra_: yeah, if you have upload access on one :) | 10:12 |
| anpok_ | morphis: yes doing that | 10:12 |
| anpok_ | but not for all packages.. | 10:12 |
| ogra_ | morphis, i can get you access, one sec | 10:12 |
| anpok_ | and hm havent stumbled over that issue yet.. | 10:12 |
| ogra_ | morphis, check your mail :) | 10:13 |
| morphis | ogra_: thanks | 10:13 |
| morphis | anpok_: I basicaly set it up with an : mk-sbuild --target armhf vivid | 10:13 |
| ogra_ | (and see PM) | 10:13 |
| anpok_ | morphis: there are a lot of packages not working with cross building schroot. | 10:14 |
| morphis | hm | 10:14 |
| anpok_ | morphis: .. hm you can try to manually install it .. maybe you see why it refuses to install python | 10:16 |
| morphis | I did but there seem to be problems betwne python3.4 and python3.4-minimal | 10:16 |
| === pstolowski is now known as pstolowski|lunch | ||
| jgdx | faenil, hi, what build-dep do I need? | 11:09 |
| jgdx | faenil, qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-ui-toolkit I guess :) | 11:13 |
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| hifi | does ubuntu touch use the android kernel drivers when ported to a new phone? | 11:20 |
| hifi | if it's an android phone | 11:20 |
| k1l | hifi: it uses the android drivers in containers. | 11:26 |
| ogra_ | hifi, yes, it has to | 11:27 |
| ogra_ | (if you want fully functional hardware at least :) ) | 11:27 |
| hifi | ok, yeah, I'm probably a bit off-topic, but I'm trying to figure out how I can enable stuff like usb tethering and such from /sys interface but I seem to be at loss how it's supposed to work | 11:29 |
| Hawk_ | orga_, stuck at boot after changing to console=tty0 | 11:29 |
| Hawk_ | http://textuploader.com/artaf | 11:29 |
| hifi | I figured if ubuntu touch is sharing very little code with android userspace you guys would probably know how I can do such things | 11:29 |
| Hawk_ | this is the last_kmsg before | 11:29 |
| hifi | been booting this old zte blade with stock kernel into busybox and tinkering around | 11:30 |
| Hawk_ | is the mounting error on usrdata something I need to work on? | 11:30 |
| hifi | I can't directly use ubuntu touch binaries as they are for newer arm hardware though | 11:30 |
| Hawk_ | orga_ , any pointer will be much appreciated | 11:31 |
| ogra_ | Hawk_, looks like upstart (init) iself doesnt get along with your kernel, try to find out if you have all kernel options enabled that upstart needs | 11:37 |
| ogra_ | you are definitely in the rootfs already when it dies though, so the progress doesnt look bad :) | 11:38 |
| Hawk_ | yes. it didnt mount the android system.img properly though | 11:38 |
| Hawk_ | i use the script to add the kernel config | 11:38 |
| * ogra_ would google for "used greatest stack depth" | 11:39 | |
| ogra_ | seems the kernel is not allowing something that the binaries expect there | 11:39 |
| ogra_ | or some such (wildly guessing here) | 11:39 |
| Hawk_ | phablet-porting-scripts | 11:39 |
| Hawk_ | i see. its the kernel that i need to focus on then? | 11:40 |
| ogra_ | well, that might not be complete or not turn off interfering options | 11:40 |
| ogra_ | yeah,, thats where i would start at least | 11:40 |
| Hawk_ | ok, would have to check those previous successful xperia port then. thanks | 11:41 |
| ogra_ | hifi, the usb tethering is al done in userspace by setting options via setprop in the android container alongside with adjusting network config in the ubuntu userspace for it | 11:42 |
| Hawk_ | doing this xperia l is driving me nut. have to take out the battery every single time it hang | 11:42 |
| hifi | ogra_: if setprop is used, does it mean it requires non-free userspace utilities to do that switch? | 11:43 |
| ogra_ | whats nonfree about setprop ? :) | 11:43 |
| hifi | well, why do you need to use setprop in the first place? | 11:44 |
| hifi | what's magical about it | 11:44 |
| ogra_ | the android container manages the usb gadget | 11:44 |
| hifi | the kernel exposes /sys and /dev interfaces, right? | 11:44 |
| ogra_ | to tell the android container we want something changed we use setprop, the container notices the change and applies te config it has for this case in init.rc | 11:44 |
| ogra_ | we leave all HW handling to the container where possible and only interact with it | 11:45 |
| ogra_ | else you end up with a mess | 11:45 |
| ogra_ | we could definitely just do it from sysfs if wanted | 11:45 |
| ogra_ | but then yoou have to maintain hw config in two places and need to keep them in sync | 11:45 |
| hifi | makes sense I guess | 11:46 |
| hifi | my goal here actually is to try to just get debian armel to run with as little changes as possible on the hardware as it's binary compatible | 11:46 |
| ogra_ | (if you check your inir.rc for your device wou will likely see that it only writes to sysfs to make the actual change too) | 11:46 |
| hifi | it doesn't actually | 11:47 |
| ogra_ | well, init.usb.rc or some such usually | 11:47 |
| hifi | I tried looking for it but I can't find the sysfs interface anywhere | 11:47 |
| ogra_ | tere are sub-files of init.rc | 11:47 |
| hifi | everywhere I look it's supposed to be at /sys/class/android_usb/android0/ | 11:47 |
| hifi | but I don't have /sys/class/android_usb | 11:47 |
| ogra_ | right | 11:47 |
| ogra_ | well,, then your kernel doesnt have the android gadget enabled i guess | 11:47 |
| hifi | not even when I adb in the running android system | 11:47 |
| hifi | which definitely can switch it on | 11:48 |
| ogra_ | so check how it is switched on ;) | 11:48 |
| hifi | if I only knew where to look, right? :p | 11:48 |
| ogra_ | usually it is either directly talking to the gadget via sysfs or it uses a functionfs on top to modify the setup | 11:49 |
| hifi | it's weird I can't find any references that don't use android_usb sysfs class | 11:49 |
| ogra_ | at least in android 4.x (i never looked deeply into older versions) | 11:49 |
| hifi | this is way old, 2.2 with 2.6.32 kernel | 11:49 |
| ogra_ | ah | 11:49 |
| ogra_ | yeah, that might be different then | 11:49 |
| hifi | so it's very likely it changed | 11:49 |
| hifi | at least I could compile the kernel still to get debug output without adb, so that's something | 11:50 |
| hifi | I thought I could see from the actual kernel source how the mode switch is done | 11:50 |
| ogra_ | (mind you, you wont be able to usea recent debian on it then ... systemd requites 3. kernels) | 11:50 |
| ogra_ | *requires | 11:50 |
| hifi | in the end I could run a newer kernel if the drivers are portable | 11:51 |
| ogra_ | heh, thats surely quite some effort | 11:54 |
| ogra_ | (do you thinnk that is actually worth it ? ) | 11:54 |
| hifi | I'm on vacation, all bets are off | 11:54 |
| hifi | it's an interesting concept to reuse old phones as small wireless enabled servers, don't you think? | 11:55 |
| hifi | old android phones are starting to accumulate and the hardware is fairly usable | 11:55 |
| ogra_ | oh, yeah, for server stuff for sure ... if you dont mind wlan speed :) | 11:56 |
| ogra_ | the first thing from the community when we released the first nexus4 image for ubuntu was that they made tomcat work on it :) | 11:58 |
| hifi | with usb tethering you could have a host system that a bunch of phones connect to and you get lower latency | 11:58 |
| ogra_ | (including a whole java IDE that ran on it) | 11:58 |
| hifi | heh | 11:58 |
| hifi | I also hope I can built this without actually much coding, it's all about gathering the pieces together | 11:59 |
| hifi | unfortunately ubuntu touch binaries weren't compatible | 11:59 |
| ogra_ | we inly use armel inside the container ;) | 11:59 |
| ogra_ | (or rather: we let android use what it wants in there) | 12:00 |
| ogra_ | kind of a requirement if you have to use binary drifers | 12:00 |
| ogra_ | *drivers | 12:01 |
| hifi | how is the wifi? I see the kernel only exposes rmnet interfaces along with usb0 and tunl/sit | 12:02 |
| hifi | afaik rmnet is used for gsm networking etc.? | 12:02 |
| ogra_ | yes | 12:03 |
| ogra_ | for wifi you likelly have a wlan0 device after the driver was initialized properly | 12:04 |
| hifi | I likely require some sort of sysfs magic or rfkill magic to enable it | 12:05 |
| hifi | as I don't see any wireless interfaces | 12:05 |
| ogra_ | you likely require firmware to be uploaded to the chip | 12:06 |
| hifi | ah | 12:06 |
| ogra_ | check your init.rc files (once again) :) | 12:06 |
| hifi | init.athwlan.sh only does setprop magic again, damn it | 12:07 |
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| hifi | ah, found the firmware | 12:07 |
| ogra_ | well, the setprop usually triggers something ... | 12:07 |
| hifi | and a .ko kernel module | 12:07 |
| ogra_ | (something that gets picked up by some init.rc service) | 12:08 |
| hifi | cool, got wlan0 up | 12:12 |
| hifi | so that's something | 12:12 |
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| hifi | I guess the next thing I should try is getting a newer kernel to run then if I plan to run systemd enabled debian on it | 12:19 |
| hifi | thanks a lot ogra_ | 12:19 |
| hectortrope | Guys it's very urgent canm some tell me how I install ubtunu oin my android> | 12:35 |
| jgdx | hectortrope, what device do you have? | 12:38 |
| hectortrope | micromax a311 | 12:38 |
| hectortrope | its having octacore processor | 12:38 |
| jgdx | !devices | hectortrope | 12:38 |
| ubot5 | hectortrope: You can find the full list of devices, official images, community images, and works in progress at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices | 12:38 |
| hectortrope | 2gb ram | 12:38 |
| jgdx | hectortrope, there are some lg devices, but not your it seems. If it's not there, you can't install ubuntu on your device. | 12:40 |
| hectortrope | may be no one tried I think so | 12:43 |
| ogra_ | hectortrope, you mean noone tried to port to the device ? yeah, thats a pretty hard task | 12:44 |
| ogra_ | you need to know a lot about both systems to do that | 12:44 |
| ogra_ | (and about build systems too) | 12:44 |
| hectortrope | ogra_: But after rooting my android I removed some pre-apps and now phone not working | 12:45 |
| hectortrope | so better tinme to install ubunru | 12:46 |
| ogra_ | well, you first have to do a port ... thats a month or more of work for an experienced person i'd say | 12:46 |
| hectortrope | port?/ | 12:48 |
| hectortrope | so impossible for me? | 12:49 |
| hectortrope | why one month? | 12:49 |
| hectortrope | ogra_: any tutorials? | 12:49 |
| ogra_ | well, one month for someone who knows about compiling android and the internals about how ubuntu operates with the android container | 12:50 |
| ogra_ | for someone inexperienced it will take way linger | 12:50 |
| ogra_ | *longer | 12:50 |
| ogra_ | there is a link to the portin guide in the channel topic | 12:50 |
| hectortrope | but why one month? | 12:52 |
| hectortrope | if I foloow step by step one in one day etc? | 12:52 |
| k1l_ | hectortrope: if you work 24h a day on that port you will be faster than one month :) but it is a lot of work. its not "click here and everything works" | 12:55 |
| hectortrope | k1l_: :-( | 12:55 |
| hectortrope | lol shit | 12:55 |
| hectortrope | very very tough? | 12:55 |
| hectortrope | I need some phone and will it stop existing android? | 12:56 |
| k1l_ | you need to have some knowledge about the underlying systems. and that is more than the average user got. | 12:56 |
| ogra_ | hectortrope, one bit of porting means to know the android tree and remove *everything* thats not needed for minimal HW bits ... that alone will take you days | 12:58 |
| ogra_ | (unless you know the source tree for your device in and out already) | 12:58 |
| === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g | ||
| k1l_ | there seem to be some guys on xda fiddeling with that device. but its not a big hacking community like on the famous devices like nexus etc. | 13:00 |
| faenil | jgdx: apt-get build-deps ubuntu-ui-toolkit should be okay | 13:04 |
| gvs77 | Will making my phone writable break OTA updates? | 13:04 |
| faenil | jgdx: sorry I'm currenty talking via login shell, I upgraded my system to be able to build unity and it doesn't boot anymore | 13:04 |
| faenil | (yay) | 13:04 |
| gvs77 | just that action I mean, not modifying the base system | 13:04 |
| ogra_ | gvs77, no | 13:04 |
| ogra_ | OTA will parf on changes ... but not just because you made the system writable | 13:05 |
| ogra_ | *barf | 13:05 |
| jgdx | faenil, what did you do? That just happened to me. | 13:05 |
| faenil | jgdx I did apt-get update and upgrade | 13:06 |
| gvs77 | Thanks ogra_, that makes sense | 13:07 |
| jgdx | faenil, using the overlay ppa by any chance? | 13:09 |
| faenil | jgdx: yup | 13:12 |
| jgdx | faenil, :) check if you have a 52-ubuntu-touch.conf in your lightdm conf.d | 13:12 |
| faenil | jgdx: see #unity to read more about the error I have | 13:12 |
| jgdx | k | 13:13 |
| hectortrope | ok ogra_ Thanks | 13:17 |
| tsdgeos | the stable-phone-overlay has a new xserver-xorg-core that breaks the intel driver which renders some people's machine unbootable | 14:38 |
| tsdgeos | any idea who to ask to either rever that xserver-xorg-core or upload the new driver that doesn't break? | 14:38 |
| ogra_ | erm | 14:38 |
| ogra_ | why in the world would anyone enable the phone overlay PPA on a PC ? | 14:38 |
| tsdgeos | ogra_: because it's the only way to develop | 14:39 |
| ogra_ | huh ? | 14:39 |
| tsdgeos | ogra_: huh what? | 14:39 |
| tsdgeos | the only way to build unity8 is to use the stable-phone-overlay | 14:39 |
| ogra_ | you are running ubuntu touch on your PC to devlop ? | 14:39 |
| tsdgeos | or wily (which is obiously stupid) | 14:40 |
| ogra_ | yes, in a chroot or other build env | 14:40 |
| tsdgeos | or compile 100 packages by hand | 14:40 |
| tsdgeos | so yes, i run stable-phone-overlay and that's what we've been recommending to people to do in unity8 | 14:40 |
| ogra_ | oh man | 14:40 |
| tsdgeos | ogra_: no i'm not running ubuntu touch to develop | 14:40 |
| tsdgeos | but i need the libraries | 14:40 |
| ogra_ | well, there are other packages with newer versions that will completely bust your install | 14:41 |
| tsdgeos | nope | 14:41 |
| ogra_ | lightdm for example | 14:41 |
| tsdgeos | it's all working fine and dandy | 14:41 |
| tsdgeos | except xorg-server-core | 14:41 |
| tsdgeos | and has been like that for months | 14:41 |
| === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk | ||
| ogra_ | well, i doubt anyone expects that you enable that PPA on your desktop install | 14:42 |
| ogra_ | and its a super dangerous thing to do | 14:42 |
| tsdgeos | ogra_: well that's interesting because everyone on the unity8 team does | 14:43 |
| tsdgeos | and as i said it's what we officially recommend | 14:43 |
| ogra_ | so i doubt anyone every cared how old or new the xserver is | 14:43 |
| tsdgeos | so it's funny that someone has such a different opinion | 14:43 |
| ogra_ | yes, and i say thats mildly insane to recommend to people without warning them that it has the otential to trash their install | 14:43 |
| tsdgeos | ok | 14:44 |
| tsdgeos | so basically you're saying we can't develop | 14:44 |
| tsdgeos | unless we use the stupid chroot | 14:44 |
| tsdgeos | good stuff | 14:44 |
| ogra_ | (like i think it is massively (not mildly) instne to ask endusers to test wireless AP and make their phones writable) | 14:44 |
| ogra_ | sure you can develop | 14:44 |
| === vrruiz_ is now known as rvr | ||
| tsdgeos | enlighten me | 14:45 |
| ogra_ | i would just not recommend that method to people | 14:45 |
| tsdgeos | which method would you recommend? | 14:45 |
| ogra_ | develop in a chroot, test on a test system, in a VM or on an actual phone ... seemingly you are building x86 for testing so a VM should do fine | 14:46 |
| ogra_ | just dont make people use that PPA for desktop installs | 14:46 |
| ogra_ | many packages in there have phone specific patches or hacks ... a dist-upgrade might get you whatnot instlled ... | 14:47 |
| tsdgeos | develop in a chroot is not an option | 14:47 |
| ogra_ | not sure i uhnderstand | 14:47 |
| ogra_ | you mean you cant edit code inside a chroot like you can edit it on your PC filesystem ? | 14:48 |
| tsdgeos | don't worry, i'm not going to convince you and neither the other way around :) | 14:48 |
| tsdgeos | let's just continue working | 14:48 |
| ogra_ | seems like ... i just find that pretty irresponsible to recommend to externals (at least without a big fat warning<) | 14:49 |
| ogra_ | but i guess you will deal with unbootable developer machines then ... :P | 14:50 |
| tsdgeos | i totally agree it's irresponsible to break people machines | 14:50 |
| tsdgeos | that's what i'm exactly complaining about | 14:50 |
| tsdgeos | but you are the righteous chroot developer and need to force everyone onto your workflow | 14:51 |
| tsdgeos | it'd be much easier just not breaking people's machines | 14:51 |
| mcphail | perhaps there needs to be a separate PPA to suit the different use case? | 14:52 |
| tsdgeos | there's no different usecase, that ppa has worked fine since it's inception, and it's very easy to fix | 14:52 |
| tsdgeos | if i knew who to talk, that is obviously not ogra_ | 14:52 |
| ogra_ | mcphail, a separate PPA wouldnt solve the issue that you end up with a hybrid desktop-phone install that is full of phone specific patches to packages the noirmal archive doesnt have | 14:54 |
| ogra_ | tsdgeos, try sil2100 | 14:54 |
| NymeriaFr | hello guys | 15:21 |
| NymeriaFr | There is my application : http://www.jeodrive.com/download/qfacts-tar/ | 15:21 |
| NymeriaFr | I can lunch it very well on desktop but impossible to start it into my aquaris E4.5 | 15:22 |
| NymeriaFr | Sdk-Launcher> Received a failed event | 15:24 |
| NymeriaFr | there is my error | 15:24 |
| === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk | ||
| mete_ | hiya guys | 15:44 |
| mete_ | I need help | 15:44 |
| mete_ | mete@Animus:~$ ubuntu-device-flash touch --channel=ubuntu-touch/stable/ubuntu | 15:44 |
| mete_ | 2015/08/05 16:42:54 Expecting the device to expose an adb interface... | 15:44 |
| mete_ | 2015/08/05 16:42:54 Device is |shieldtablet| | 15:44 |
| mete_ | Device shieldtablet not found on server https://system-image.ubuntu.com channel ubuntu-touch/stable/ubuntu | 15:44 |
| mete_ | what should I do or how should I load | 15:44 |
| mete_ | mete@Animus:~$ ubuntu-device-flash touch --channel=ubuntu-touch/stable/ubuntu | 15:44 |
| mete_ | 2015/08/05 16:42:54 Expecting the device to expose an adb interface... | 15:44 |
| mete_ | 2015/08/05 16:42:54 Device is |shieldtablet| | 15:44 |
| mete_ | Device shieldtablet not found on server https://system-image.ubuntu.com channel ubuntu-touch/stable/ubuntu | 15:44 |
| mete_ | any ideas/ | 15:44 |
| mete_ | ? | 15:44 |
| mete_ | guys | 15:45 |
| popey | hello | 15:45 |
| popey | we don't have an image for the nvidia shield tablet | 15:45 |
| mete_ | so I cant install ? | 15:47 |
| mete_ | :( | 15:47 |
| mete_ | Is there any other os I can load ? | 15:47 |
| popey | No idea | 15:49 |
| popey | You certainly can't install Ubuntu. | 15:49 |
| === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader | ||
| ogra_ | heh, perhaps you can ... if jumping through some fiery hoops :) but we are surely the wrong people to ask about that | 15:50 |
| ogra_ | if you want to port the ubuntu touch images to the shield people in here will surely answer questions ... weather there are other OSes you have to ask nvidia | 15:51 |
| mete_ | how? | 15:51 |
| mete_ | ask to who? | 15:51 |
| ogra_ | no idea | 15:52 |
| mete_ | how can I port then ? | 15:52 |
| ogra_ | you need the android source for the device ... do you have that ? | 15:52 |
| ogra_ | then there is a porting guide in the channel topic | 15:52 |
| ogra_ | note that this isnt an easy task and requires a lot of work | 15:53 |
| mete_ | oh god .... | 15:53 |
| mete_ | okay then what if I can change the device name and serials | 15:53 |
| mete_ | andmake it I dont know | 15:53 |
| mete_ | nexus | 15:53 |
| mete_ | and then | 15:53 |
| popey | no | 15:53 |
| mete_ | install nexus image? | 15:54 |
| popey | different hardware inside | 15:54 |
| kalikiana | wtf my phone in my pocket went so hot, it went to gastboot mode on its won, and I can't reboot it anymore | 15:54 |
| mete_ | okay so | 15:54 |
| kalikiana | if anyone has ideas.... | 15:54 |
| popey | like putting a ford engine in a toyota only harder | 15:54 |
| kalikiana | :-( | 15:54 |
| popey | kalikiana: hold power down for longer than you think you need to | 15:54 |
| kalikiana | hmmm okay | 15:54 |
| mete_ | okay what about How can I change the serial and product Id? | 15:54 |
| ogra_ | kalikiana, plus 5 seconds ... | 15:54 |
| ogra_ | :) | 15:55 |
| kalikiana | lol | 15:55 |
| popey | mete_: for what purpose? | 15:55 |
| ogra_ | mete_, why would you want that ? | 15:55 |
| k1l_ | mete_: http://forum.xda-developers.com/shield-tablet/general/request-porting-ubuntu-touch-t2869169 | 15:55 |
| popey | good find k1l_ | 15:55 |
| mete_ | wow | 15:56 |
| k1l_ | mete_: you could ask there if there is a new effort to do it now. | 15:56 |
| mete_ | will read that | 15:56 |
| popey | it wont take long | 15:56 |
| mete_ | oh yes my porpuse is clear | 15:56 |
| mete_ | because recently thers a giant recall on devices | 15:56 |
| mete_ | fire hazardous | 15:56 |
| mete_ | and I will recevie another one | 15:56 |
| popey | yay, free stuff | 15:56 |
| mete_ | but with this one Ill like to see linux ubuntu touch | 15:57 |
| mete_ | yeap | 15:57 |
| mete_ | :P | 15:57 |
| popey | yeah, not gonna happen till someone does the port | 15:57 |
| k1l_ | had someone in here had the "red light of death" on his n4? my n4 died on a night on the QI charger and doesnt boot anymore | 15:57 |
| popey | yes | 15:57 |
| popey | charge from wall charger | 15:57 |
| popey | and maybe disconnect battery if it really wont charge | 15:57 |
| ogra_ | yeah disconnectin the battery always helps with that | 15:58 |
| k1l_ | did charge from wallplug, open it, disconnect battery etc. nothing did the trick so far :( | 15:58 |
| ogra_ | though usually charging suffices | 15:58 |
| popey | :( | 15:58 |
| popey | is it a nice high capacity charger? | 15:58 |
| ogra_ | yeah, you want something with 2A or more | 15:59 |
| k1l_ | maybe its a late fallback from the swimming-with-my-n4 form one month ago. i did dry it and it worked afterwards, i thought at least | 15:59 |
| kalikiana | my finger is starting to hurt, I wonder how long I need to hold.... | 15:59 |
| ogra_ | yeah, probably your battery catched a cold that only developed slowly | 15:59 |
| k1l_ | 2A or more? i will look out for a powerfull charger. but i got a n6 now for 350euro. so i could run ubuntu on the n4 full time as spare device. | 16:00 |
| kalikiana | popey: ogra_ I had to do power+up :-P | 16:11 |
| popey | \o/ | 16:11 |
| popey | that too | 16:11 |
| ogra_ | oh | 16:11 |
| kalikiana | I figured it might be wrong when my hands hurt :-D | 16:11 |
| kalikiana | curiously it booted super fast | 16:12 |
| kalikiana | well, not complaining now | 16:12 |
| Paddy_NI | I wonder where "Podbird" gets its database of podcasts from? | 16:15 |
| Paddy_NI | Ubuntu Podcast is not there oddly, nor is BadVoltage | 16:15 |
| Paddy_NI | I must have a proper look at the source later | 16:16 |
| popey | yeah they are | 16:16 |
| Paddy_NI | hmm.. | 16:17 |
| popey | http://people.canonical.com/~alan/screenshots/device-2015-08-05-171710.png | 16:17 |
| popey | [M#:http://people.canonical.com/~alan/screenshots/device-2015-08-05-171735.png | 16:17 |
| Paddy_NI | popey, Ha | 16:18 |
| Paddy_NI | Must be a picnic error | 16:18 |
| popey | ya | 16:18 |
| Paddy_NI | It only gave me very few results earlier | 16:18 |
| Paddy_NI | Possibly could have timed out or something | 16:18 |
| Paddy_NI | Two versions of the MP3 feed and one that does not specify what it is | 16:19 |
| Paddy_NI | I'll assume that is the OGG | 16:19 |
| Elleo | Paddy_NI: it uses the itunes database | 16:20 |
| Paddy_NI | Elleo, Ah I see, I wonder why not gPodder | 16:20 |
| Paddy_NI | Elleo, I guess the iTunes one has a larger database | 16:21 |
| Paddy_NI | And is more likely to contain valid links etc | 16:21 |
| Elleo | Paddy_NI: yeah, much larger | 16:22 |
| Paddy_NI | Awesome | 16:22 |
| Paddy_NI | Love the app btw | 16:22 |
| Paddy_NI | Nice and simple | 16:22 |
| Elleo | Paddy_NI: we might add support for gPodder as well at some point, but it's not a priority right now | 16:22 |
| Elleo | Paddy_NI: thanks :) | 16:22 |
| Paddy_NI | Cool | 16:22 |
| Paddy_NI | I guess you are perhaps waiting to see how "Online Accounts" will be implemented in a more integrated manner | 16:23 |
| Elleo | Paddy_NI: main focus at the moment is developing our own webservices backend | 16:23 |
| Elleo | Paddy_NI: so we can have our server sync podcast location between devices and provide push notifications when new episodes appear | 16:23 |
| Paddy_NI | Excellent now that is something I would love to see | 16:24 |
| Elleo | (plus a bunch of other cool stuff, like recommendations, etc.) | 16:24 |
| Elleo | Paddy_NI: http://mikeasoft.com/~mike/symbolic-notification.png <-- a WIP screenshot from a little while back | 16:24 |
| Elleo | I just need a chunk of free time in which to get it all finished off really | 16:25 |
| Elleo | but that doesn't look like it'll happen any time soon | 16:25 |
| Paddy_NI | That looks really nice | 16:26 |
| Paddy_NI | It's really weird having an Ubuntu Phone in hand | 16:26 |
| Elleo | heh | 16:26 |
| Paddy_NI | I have been forcing myself to use it as a primary device since either Sunday or Monday | 16:27 |
| Paddy_NI | My Xperia Z2 has become a glorified TV/media remote | 16:27 |
| Paddy_NI | DLNA compatibility would make my frickin day | 16:28 |
| Paddy_NI | :-) | 16:28 |
| Paddy_NI | Dinner time :-) | 16:28 |
| Paddy_NI | Will the Ubuntu Phone be more akin to iPhone than Android when it comes to obtaining applications? | 16:52 |
| Paddy_NI | Eventually I mean | 16:52 |
| ogra_ | whats the difference ? | 16:53 |
| * ogra_ has never owned an iphone | 16:53 | |
| Paddy_NI | I quite like that I can install apps from various sources on Android. iPhone has a more "Orwellian" feel to it | 16:54 |
| ogra_ | you can sideload anything you want on your ubuntu phone | 16:54 |
| Paddy_NI | ogra_, I have yet to play with that | 16:54 |
| ogra_ | i dont think we'll support external stores in the default images ever though ... | 16:54 |
| Paddy_NI | I guess I mean I can download APKs on android and install them | 16:55 |
| ogra_ | but the source is out there ... you could set up your own store and provide your own images ;) | 16:55 |
| ogra_ | right, thats what i meant by sideloading | 16:55 |
| ogra_ | you can just install a click package via adb or the terminal | 16:55 |
| Paddy_NI | ogra_, Awesome | 16:56 |
| Paddy_NI | I wonder if this option will permeate as time goes on | 16:57 |
| dobey | ubuntu will remain ubuntu | 16:58 |
| ogra_ | it will persist ... | 16:58 |
| dobey | which means if you decide to install stuff from other places, you get to keep the broekn pieces :) | 16:58 |
| Paddy_NI | dobey, Nice one :-) | 16:58 |
| ogra_ | well, there might be vendors in the future that disallow adb or prevent the terminal from being installable or some such | 16:58 |
| ogra_ | you never know :) | 16:58 |
| Paddy_NI | ogra_, I guess that is understandable | 16:58 |
| ogra_ | but on the distro level we definitely wont drop that feature | 16:59 |
| dobey | ogra_: well, not unless they provide their own app store instead of ours, i guess | 16:59 |
| dobey | ogra_: i don't think we'll ever blacklist our own terminal app :P | 16:59 |
| ogra_ | dobey, i guess that depends on $$$ involved ;) | 16:59 |
| Paddy_NI | Is the new Plasma Mobile built on Ubuntu Touch? | 17:00 |
| ogra_ | it uses the basic image, yes | 17:00 |
| ogra_ | and replaces Mir and unity8 | 17:00 |
| Paddy_NI | I guess if they are not using Mir that will sort of break any sharing between the two with regards code | 17:02 |
| Paddy_NI | KDE Connect would be very welcome on Ubuntu Touch | 17:03 |
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| Paddy_NI | ogra_, Do you use a Nexus 4 for development? | 17:06 |
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| Paddy_NI | They should totally include a link to Canonical/Ubuntus swag store on the phone, might be a good way to get some revenue... | 17:18 |
| Paddy_NI | A scope would be better | 17:18 |
| Paddy_NI | Or possibly have a Swag category in the existing appstore | 17:19 |
| ogra_ | ha ! | 17:19 |
| ogra_ | thats a great idea :) | 17:19 |
| Paddy_NI | :-) | 17:19 |
| cwayne | i can see the article on phoronix now | 17:22 |
| cwayne | "CANONICAL PUSHES ADS TO UNITY8 SCOPES" | 17:22 |
| Paddy_NI | lol | 17:23 |
| Paddy_NI | I know that's Precisely why it should be done! | 17:23 |
| Paddy_NI | You need to feed them something | 17:23 |
| ogra_ | better: "canonical introduces digital coupons" | 17:23 |
| Paddy_NI | I quite like the Ubuntu Regatta Fleece although I have no idea what size I should get. I really should purchase some measuring tape... | 17:34 |
| mariogrip | ondra: what's the status for "phablet-5.0.2_r3"? | 17:38 |
| === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk | ||
| kalikiana | wow, the "fastboot mode" happened again, in my pocket | 18:57 |
| kalikiana | I'm starting to be a bit conerned here | 18:57 |
| Paddy_NI | ON which handset? | 18:58 |
| kalikiana | E4.5 | 18:58 |
| kalikiana | had it in my backpocket | 18:59 |
| kalikiana | locked as usual | 18:59 |
| kalikiana | it's happened the second time today | 18:59 |
| Paddy_NI | I can't say I have experienced this yet | 18:59 |
| Paddy_NI | Backpocket? | 18:59 |
| k1l_ | kalikiana: fastboot mode? | 18:59 |
| kalikiana | yeah. I have had it "try to unlock itself" before | 18:59 |
| Paddy_NI | I would never put a phone in my back pocket | 18:59 |
| kalikiana | but fastboot is new | 18:59 |
| kalikiana | k1l_: that's what usually I would use for emergency un-bricking after a bad update | 19:00 |
| kalikiana | it requires holding volume up and power for 10 secs | 19:00 |
| kalikiana | so... I don't even get how it does it | 19:00 |
| k1l_ | i know fastboot mode. that is when you press power and vol- on most devices on boot | 19:00 |
| Paddy_NI | Try putting it in a less "tight" pocket and seeing if it does it again | 19:01 |
| kalikiana | yeah | 19:01 |
| kalikiana | vol- or vol+ depnds on the device | 19:01 |
| Paddy_NI | It would not be difficult to activate really | 19:01 |
| k1l_ | sounds like the buttons get pressed in your pocket. and after the shutdown the buttons are still pressed and it gets to fastboot mode. | 19:01 |
| kalikiana | well, I don't know.. it certainly is concerning me because it makes me totally unavailable silently... | 19:01 |
| Paddy_NI | Avoid using your back pocket for a day and see if that remedies the issue | 19:02 |
| kalikiana | that'll be tricky, my other pockets can't take two phones and other stuff :-D | 19:02 |
| Paddy_NI | Ah | 19:02 |
| Paddy_NI | You could invest in one of those kickstarter travel jackets | 19:03 |
| Paddy_NI | lol | 19:03 |
| Paddy_NI | kalikiana, https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/597538543/the-worlds-best-travel-jacket-with-15-features-bau | 19:04 |
| Paddy_NI | kalikiana, Do you have the gel case on or off? | 19:05 |
| Paddy_NI | The case makes the buttons a little tougher to push, maybe that is an option for you | 19:05 |
| Paddy_NI | First determine whether or not it is a pocket related issue | 19:05 |
| Paddy_NI | ;-) | 19:05 |
| kalikiana | Paddy_NI: I never got around to getting one because of not being in spain... and then I forgot to try again. did they improve the store meanwhile? | 19:06 |
| kalikiana | the last time I tried it required a spanish postal code | 19:06 |
| kalikiana | I'd like to get one indeed | 19:07 |
| Paddy_NI | kalikiana, I'm not sure, my E4.5 was give to me my a man called Seamus in the Pub | 19:09 |
| kalikiana | lol | 19:09 |
| kalikiana | that sounds shady :-D | 19:09 |
| Paddy_NI | The really funny thing is it's true | 19:09 |
| Paddy_NI | Actually it's a mate who receives loads of things like that through his work | 19:09 |
| Paddy_NI | He primarily uses an MS stack so the phone was switched on once and never really used | 19:10 |
| Paddy_NI | I think he toyed with the sdk briefly but just does not have the time | 19:10 |
| Paddy_NI | Lucky me | 19:10 |
| Paddy_NI | I have a big bright yellow gel case for it | 19:11 |
| Paddy_NI | I took it off | 19:11 |
| kalikiana | Paddy_NI: so... not happy with the case? | 19:12 |
| kalikiana | I was wondering if the gel case was any good | 19:12 |
| Paddy_NI | It's actually a good case, fits very snuggly | 19:13 |
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| Paddy_NI | Edge gestures however become a little more awkward | 19:13 |
| Paddy_NI | I don't tend to use cases very much | 19:13 |
| cwayne | \o/, just tested my runtracker app, and it was actually more accurate than my fitbit's gps :D | 19:15 |
| Paddy_NI | cwayne, That's pretty neat | 19:16 |
| Paddy_NI | I might give your "scopecreator" a try shortly | 19:19 |
| Paddy_NI | cwayne, ^ | 19:19 |
| cwayne | Paddy_NI: cool :) lemme know if you get any questions | 19:19 |
| Paddy_NI | cwayne, Certainly Sir :-) | 19:19 |
| Paddy_NI | cwayne, Would it be possible to use scopecreator to create a Scope that points to transmission-daemon? | 19:32 |
| cwayne | Paddy_NI: if there's an RSS feed for it perhaps | 19:36 |
| cwayne | it's really just a templaste for RSS, twitter accounts/lists, and youtube channels | 19:36 |
| hectortrope | hi cant I do https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/installing-ubuntu-for-devices/ from debian? | 19:37 |
| Paddy_NI | I guess I could have it point to a list of linux distro torrents | 19:37 |
| cwayne | sure, i mean you could write a scope for transmission-daemon probably, but scopecreator is really kinda limited | 19:38 |
| cwayne | it's more for like, news sites and stuff, so people that aren't necessarily devs can make scopes in 5 minutes | 19:38 |
| plm | Hi all | 19:38 |
| plm | ubuntu phone use just snap instead apt-get? | 19:38 |
| Paddy_NI | cwayne, That's cool I can think of a number of sites that I would like to see news from that easily | 19:39 |
| cwayne | Paddy_NI, yeah, and you can add keywords now so they automagically show up in the news aggregator scope too :) | 19:41 |
| Paddy_NI | cwayne, really? | 19:42 |
| Paddy_NI | Has that update been pushed out yet? | 19:42 |
| plm | anyone? | 19:47 |
| davmor2 | plm: no it is click it will become snap in the future though | 19:54 |
| plm | davmor2: what is difference between click and snap? | 20:10 |
| davmor2 | plm: not a lot, snaps are based off of the work that went into click | 20:12 |
| plm | davmor2: so a click is a snap? :) | 20:16 |
| davmor2 | plm: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/tutorials/build-snaps/ https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/publish/packaging-click-apps/ that might help you | 20:17 |
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| leptone | whats the best way to refer to this project: Ubuntu Touch? Ubuntu for Phones? | 22:24 |
| k1l_ | the plan was ubuntu for phones. but ubuntu touch somewhat got the hype :) | 22:25 |
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