=== CarlosNeyPastor_ is now known as CarlosNeyPastor === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [06:57] good morning === danilos` is now known as danilos [08:31] Good morning all; happy Work Like A Dog Day! 😃 [08:32] woef [08:53] orga_ , after changing console=tty0, it just hung on boot logo [09:07] mandel, ping [09:22] HaoLi, awesome ... so you got over the hump :) [09:25] ogra_,hello [09:26] your next prob is that adbd wont let you in ... (it checks for the screen lock state and only starts after the android container is fully up, which i guess is the bit failing for you now) [10:07] some one here cross-building packages for touch too? [10:08] always getting problems with python3.4 in vivid with sbuild (see http://paste.ubuntu.com/12005895/) [10:09] ogra_: any idea? [10:11] nope, i either build natively on a chromebook in a chroot or i use qemu-user-static (which i think sbuild uses too) [10:11] or i just use a native PPA ;) [10:11] hm [10:12] ogra_: yeah, if you have upload access on one :) [10:12] morphis: yes doing that [10:12] but not for all packages.. [10:12] morphis, i can get you access, one sec [10:12] and hm havent stumbled over that issue yet.. [10:13] morphis, check your mail :) [10:13] ogra_: thanks [10:13] anpok_: I basicaly set it up with an : mk-sbuild --target armhf vivid [10:13] (and see PM) [10:14] morphis: there are a lot of packages not working with cross building schroot. [10:14] hm [10:16] morphis: .. hm you can try to manually install it .. maybe you see why it refuses to install python [10:16] I did but there seem to be problems betwne python3.4 and python3.4-minimal === pstolowski is now known as pstolowski|lunch [11:09] faenil, hi, what build-dep do I need? [11:13] faenil, qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-ui-toolkit I guess :) === tripflag is now known as trf === trf is now known as trfl [11:20] does ubuntu touch use the android kernel drivers when ported to a new phone? [11:20] if it's an android phone [11:26] hifi: it uses the android drivers in containers. [11:27] hifi, yes, it has to [11:27] (if you want fully functional hardware at least :) ) [11:29] ok, yeah, I'm probably a bit off-topic, but I'm trying to figure out how I can enable stuff like usb tethering and such from /sys interface but I seem to be at loss how it's supposed to work [11:29] orga_, stuck at boot after changing to console=tty0 [11:29] http://textuploader.com/artaf [11:29] I figured if ubuntu touch is sharing very little code with android userspace you guys would probably know how I can do such things [11:29] this is the last_kmsg before [11:30] been booting this old zte blade with stock kernel into busybox and tinkering around [11:30] is the mounting error on usrdata something I need to work on? [11:30] I can't directly use ubuntu touch binaries as they are for newer arm hardware though [11:31] orga_ , any pointer will be much appreciated [11:37] Hawk_, looks like upstart (init) iself doesnt get along with your kernel, try to find out if you have all kernel options enabled that upstart needs [11:38] you are definitely in the rootfs already when it dies though, so the progress doesnt look bad :) [11:38] yes. it didnt mount the android system.img properly though [11:38] i use the script to add the kernel config [11:39] * ogra_ would google for "used greatest stack depth" [11:39] seems the kernel is not allowing something that the binaries expect there [11:39] or some such (wildly guessing here) [11:39] phablet-porting-scripts [11:40] i see. its the kernel that i need to focus on then? [11:40] well, that might not be complete or not turn off interfering options [11:40] yeah,, thats where i would start at least [11:41] ok, would have to check those previous successful xperia port then. thanks [11:42] hifi, the usb tethering is al done in userspace by setting options via setprop in the android container alongside with adjusting network config in the ubuntu userspace for it [11:42] doing this xperia l is driving me nut. have to take out the battery every single time it hang [11:43] ogra_: if setprop is used, does it mean it requires non-free userspace utilities to do that switch? [11:43] whats nonfree about setprop ? :) [11:44] well, why do you need to use setprop in the first place? [11:44] what's magical about it [11:44] the android container manages the usb gadget [11:44] the kernel exposes /sys and /dev interfaces, right? [11:44] to tell the android container we want something changed we use setprop, the container notices the change and applies te config it has for this case in init.rc [11:45] we leave all HW handling to the container where possible and only interact with it [11:45] else you end up with a mess [11:45] we could definitely just do it from sysfs if wanted [11:45] but then yoou have to maintain hw config in two places and need to keep them in sync [11:46] makes sense I guess [11:46] my goal here actually is to try to just get debian armel to run with as little changes as possible on the hardware as it's binary compatible [11:46] (if you check your inir.rc for your device wou will likely see that it only writes to sysfs to make the actual change too) [11:47] it doesn't actually [11:47] well, init.usb.rc or some such usually [11:47] I tried looking for it but I can't find the sysfs interface anywhere [11:47] tere are sub-files of init.rc [11:47] everywhere I look it's supposed to be at /sys/class/android_usb/android0/ [11:47] but I don't have /sys/class/android_usb [11:47] right [11:47] well,, then your kernel doesnt have the android gadget enabled i guess [11:47] not even when I adb in the running android system [11:48] which definitely can switch it on [11:48] so check how it is switched on ;) [11:48] if I only knew where to look, right? :p [11:49] usually it is either directly talking to the gadget via sysfs or it uses a functionfs on top to modify the setup [11:49] it's weird I can't find any references that don't use android_usb sysfs class [11:49] at least in android 4.x (i never looked deeply into older versions) [11:49] this is way old, 2.2 with 2.6.32 kernel [11:49] ah [11:49] yeah, that might be different then [11:49] so it's very likely it changed [11:50] at least I could compile the kernel still to get debug output without adb, so that's something [11:50] I thought I could see from the actual kernel source how the mode switch is done [11:50] (mind you, you wont be able to usea recent debian on it then ... systemd requites 3. kernels) [11:50] *requires [11:51] in the end I could run a newer kernel if the drivers are portable [11:54] heh, thats surely quite some effort [11:54] (do you thinnk that is actually worth it ? ) [11:54] I'm on vacation, all bets are off [11:55] it's an interesting concept to reuse old phones as small wireless enabled servers, don't you think? [11:55] old android phones are starting to accumulate and the hardware is fairly usable [11:56] oh, yeah, for server stuff for sure ... if you dont mind wlan speed :) [11:58] the first thing from the community when we released the first nexus4 image for ubuntu was that they made tomcat work on it :) [11:58] with usb tethering you could have a host system that a bunch of phones connect to and you get lower latency [11:58] (including a whole java IDE that ran on it) [11:58] heh [11:59] I also hope I can built this without actually much coding, it's all about gathering the pieces together [11:59] unfortunately ubuntu touch binaries weren't compatible [11:59] we inly use armel inside the container ;) [12:00] (or rather: we let android use what it wants in there) [12:00] kind of a requirement if you have to use binary drifers [12:01] *drivers [12:02] how is the wifi? I see the kernel only exposes rmnet interfaces along with usb0 and tunl/sit [12:02] afaik rmnet is used for gsm networking etc.? [12:03] yes [12:04] for wifi you likelly have a wlan0 device after the driver was initialized properly [12:05] I likely require some sort of sysfs magic or rfkill magic to enable it [12:05] as I don't see any wireless interfaces [12:06] you likely require firmware to be uploaded to the chip [12:06] ah [12:06] check your init.rc files (once again) :) [12:07] init.athwlan.sh only does setprop magic again, damn it === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [12:07] ah, found the firmware [12:07] well, the setprop usually triggers something ... [12:07] and a .ko kernel module [12:08] (something that gets picked up by some init.rc service) [12:12] cool, got wlan0 up [12:12] so that's something === pstolowski|lunch is now known as pstolowski [12:19] I guess the next thing I should try is getting a newer kernel to run then if I plan to run systemd enabled debian on it [12:19] thanks a lot ogra_ [12:35] Guys it's very urgent canm some tell me how I install ubtunu oin my android> [12:38] hectortrope, what device do you have? [12:38] micromax a311 [12:38] its having octacore processor [12:38] !devices | hectortrope [12:38] hectortrope: You can find the full list of devices, official images, community images, and works in progress at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices [12:38] 2gb ram [12:40] hectortrope, there are some lg devices, but not your it seems. If it's not there, you can't install ubuntu on your device. [12:43] may be no one tried I think so [12:44] hectortrope, you mean noone tried to port to the device ? yeah, thats a pretty hard task [12:44] you need to know a lot about both systems to do that [12:44] (and about build systems too) [12:45] ogra_: But after rooting my android I removed some pre-apps and now phone not working [12:46] so better tinme to install ubunru [12:46] well, you first have to do a port ... thats a month or more of work for an experienced person i'd say [12:48] port?/ [12:49] so impossible for me? [12:49] why one month? [12:49] ogra_: any tutorials? [12:50] well, one month for someone who knows about compiling android and the internals about how ubuntu operates with the android container [12:50] for someone inexperienced it will take way linger [12:50] *longer [12:50] there is a link to the portin guide in the channel topic [12:52] but why one month? [12:52] if I foloow step by step one in one day etc? [12:55] hectortrope: if you work 24h a day on that port you will be faster than one month :) but it is a lot of work. its not "click here and everything works" [12:55] k1l_: :-( [12:55] lol shit [12:55] very very tough? [12:56] I need some phone and will it stop existing android? [12:56] you need to have some knowledge about the underlying systems. and that is more than the average user got. [12:58] hectortrope, one bit of porting means to know the android tree and remove *everything* thats not needed for minimal HW bits ... that alone will take you days [12:58] (unless you know the source tree for your device in and out already) === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [13:00] there seem to be some guys on xda fiddeling with that device. but its not a big hacking community like on the famous devices like nexus etc. [13:04] jgdx: apt-get build-deps ubuntu-ui-toolkit should be okay [13:04] Will making my phone writable break OTA updates? [13:04] jgdx: sorry I'm currenty talking via login shell, I upgraded my system to be able to build unity and it doesn't boot anymore [13:04] (yay) [13:04] just that action I mean, not modifying the base system [13:04] gvs77, no [13:05] OTA will parf on changes ... but not just because you made the system writable [13:05] *barf [13:05] faenil, what did you do? That just happened to me. [13:06] jgdx I did apt-get update and upgrade [13:07] Thanks ogra_, that makes sense [13:09] faenil, using the overlay ppa by any chance? [13:12] jgdx: yup [13:12] faenil, :) check if you have a 52-ubuntu-touch.conf in your lightdm conf.d [13:12] jgdx: see #unity to read more about the error I have [13:13] k [13:17] ok ogra_ Thanks [14:38] the stable-phone-overlay has a new xserver-xorg-core that breaks the intel driver which renders some people's machine unbootable [14:38] any idea who to ask to either rever that xserver-xorg-core or upload the new driver that doesn't break? [14:38] erm [14:38] why in the world would anyone enable the phone overlay PPA on a PC ? [14:39] ogra_: because it's the only way to develop [14:39] huh ? [14:39] ogra_: huh what? [14:39] the only way to build unity8 is to use the stable-phone-overlay [14:39] you are running ubuntu touch on your PC to devlop ? [14:40] or wily (which is obiously stupid) [14:40] yes, in a chroot or other build env [14:40] or compile 100 packages by hand [14:40] so yes, i run stable-phone-overlay and that's what we've been recommending to people to do in unity8 [14:40] oh man [14:40] ogra_: no i'm not running ubuntu touch to develop [14:40] but i need the libraries [14:41] well, there are other packages with newer versions that will completely bust your install [14:41] nope [14:41] lightdm for example [14:41] it's all working fine and dandy [14:41] except xorg-server-core [14:41] and has been like that for months === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk [14:42] well, i doubt anyone expects that you enable that PPA on your desktop install [14:42] and its a super dangerous thing to do [14:43] ogra_: well that's interesting because everyone on the unity8 team does [14:43] and as i said it's what we officially recommend [14:43] so i doubt anyone every cared how old or new the xserver is [14:43] so it's funny that someone has such a different opinion [14:43] yes, and i say thats mildly insane to recommend to people without warning them that it has the otential to trash their install [14:44] ok [14:44] so basically you're saying we can't develop [14:44] unless we use the stupid chroot [14:44] good stuff [14:44] (like i think it is massively (not mildly) instne to ask endusers to test wireless AP and make their phones writable) [14:44] sure you can develop === vrruiz_ is now known as rvr [14:45] enlighten me [14:45] i would just not recommend that method to people [14:45] which method would you recommend? [14:46] develop in a chroot, test on a test system, in a VM or on an actual phone ... seemingly you are building x86 for testing so a VM should do fine [14:46] just dont make people use that PPA for desktop installs [14:47] many packages in there have phone specific patches or hacks ... a dist-upgrade might get you whatnot instlled ... [14:47] develop in a chroot is not an option [14:47] not sure i uhnderstand [14:48] you mean you cant edit code inside a chroot like you can edit it on your PC filesystem ? [14:48] don't worry, i'm not going to convince you and neither the other way around :) [14:48] let's just continue working [14:49] seems like ... i just find that pretty irresponsible to recommend to externals (at least without a big fat warning<) [14:50] but i guess you will deal with unbootable developer machines then ... :P [14:50] i totally agree it's irresponsible to break people machines [14:50] that's what i'm exactly complaining about [14:51] but you are the righteous chroot developer and need to force everyone onto your workflow [14:51] it'd be much easier just not breaking people's machines [14:52] perhaps there needs to be a separate PPA to suit the different use case? [14:52] there's no different usecase, that ppa has worked fine since it's inception, and it's very easy to fix [14:52] if i knew who to talk, that is obviously not ogra_ [14:54] mcphail, a separate PPA wouldnt solve the issue that you end up with a hybrid desktop-phone install that is full of phone specific patches to packages the noirmal archive doesnt have [14:54] tsdgeos, try sil2100 [15:21] hello guys [15:21] There is my application : http://www.jeodrive.com/download/qfacts-tar/ [15:22] I can lunch it very well on desktop but impossible to start it into my aquaris E4.5 [15:24] Sdk-Launcher> Received a failed event [15:24] there is my error === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [15:44] hiya guys [15:44] I need help [15:44] mete@Animus:~$ ubuntu-device-flash touch --channel=ubuntu-touch/stable/ubuntu [15:44] 2015/08/05 16:42:54 Expecting the device to expose an adb interface... [15:44] 2015/08/05 16:42:54 Device is |shieldtablet| [15:44] Device shieldtablet not found on server https://system-image.ubuntu.com channel ubuntu-touch/stable/ubuntu [15:44] what should I do or how should I load [15:44] mete@Animus:~$ ubuntu-device-flash touch --channel=ubuntu-touch/stable/ubuntu [15:44] 2015/08/05 16:42:54 Expecting the device to expose an adb interface... [15:44] 2015/08/05 16:42:54 Device is |shieldtablet| [15:44] Device shieldtablet not found on server https://system-image.ubuntu.com channel ubuntu-touch/stable/ubuntu [15:44] any ideas/ [15:44] ? [15:45] guys [15:45] hello [15:45] we don't have an image for the nvidia shield tablet [15:47] so I cant install ? [15:47] :( [15:47] Is there any other os I can load ? [15:49] No idea [15:49] You certainly can't install Ubuntu. === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader [15:50] heh, perhaps you can ... if jumping through some fiery hoops :) but we are surely the wrong people to ask about that [15:51] if you want to port the ubuntu touch images to the shield people in here will surely answer questions ... weather there are other OSes you have to ask nvidia [15:51] how? [15:51] ask to who? [15:52] no idea [15:52] how can I port then ? [15:52] you need the android source for the device ... do you have that ? [15:52] then there is a porting guide in the channel topic [15:53] note that this isnt an easy task and requires a lot of work [15:53] oh god .... [15:53] okay then what if I can change the device name and serials [15:53] andmake it I dont know [15:53] nexus [15:53] and then [15:53] no [15:54] install nexus image? [15:54] different hardware inside [15:54] wtf my phone in my pocket went so hot, it went to gastboot mode on its won, and I can't reboot it anymore [15:54] okay so [15:54] if anyone has ideas.... [15:54] like putting a ford engine in a toyota only harder [15:54] :-( [15:54] kalikiana: hold power down for longer than you think you need to [15:54] hmmm okay [15:54] okay what about How can I change the serial and product Id? [15:54] kalikiana, plus 5 seconds ... [15:55] :) [15:55] lol [15:55] mete_: for what purpose? [15:55] mete_, why would you want that ? [15:55] mete_: http://forum.xda-developers.com/shield-tablet/general/request-porting-ubuntu-touch-t2869169 [15:55] good find k1l_ [15:56] wow [15:56] mete_: you could ask there if there is a new effort to do it now. [15:56] will read that [15:56] it wont take long [15:56] oh yes my porpuse is clear [15:56] because recently thers a giant recall on devices [15:56] fire hazardous [15:56] and I will recevie another one [15:56] yay, free stuff [15:57] but with this one Ill like to see linux ubuntu touch [15:57] yeap [15:57] :P [15:57] yeah, not gonna happen till someone does the port [15:57] had someone in here had the "red light of death" on his n4? my n4 died on a night on the QI charger and doesnt boot anymore [15:57] yes [15:57] charge from wall charger [15:57] and maybe disconnect battery if it really wont charge [15:58] yeah disconnectin the battery always helps with that [15:58] did charge from wallplug, open it, disconnect battery etc. nothing did the trick so far :( [15:58] though usually charging suffices [15:58] :( [15:58] is it a nice high capacity charger? [15:59] yeah, you want something with 2A or more [15:59] maybe its a late fallback from the swimming-with-my-n4 form one month ago. i did dry it and it worked afterwards, i thought at least [15:59] my finger is starting to hurt, I wonder how long I need to hold.... [15:59] yeah, probably your battery catched a cold that only developed slowly [16:00] 2A or more? i will look out for a powerfull charger. but i got a n6 now for 350euro. so i could run ubuntu on the n4 full time as spare device. [16:11] popey: ogra_ I had to do power+up :-P [16:11] \o/ [16:11] that too [16:11] oh [16:11] I figured it might be wrong when my hands hurt :-D [16:12] curiously it booted super fast [16:12] well, not complaining now [16:15] I wonder where "Podbird" gets its database of podcasts from? [16:15] Ubuntu Podcast is not there oddly, nor is BadVoltage [16:16] I must have a proper look at the source later [16:16] yeah they are [16:17] hmm.. [16:17] http://people.canonical.com/~alan/screenshots/device-2015-08-05-171710.png [16:17] [M#:http://people.canonical.com/~alan/screenshots/device-2015-08-05-171735.png [16:18] popey, Ha [16:18] Must be a picnic error [16:18] ya [16:18] It only gave me very few results earlier [16:18] Possibly could have timed out or something [16:19] Two versions of the MP3 feed and one that does not specify what it is [16:19] I'll assume that is the OGG [16:20] Paddy_NI: it uses the itunes database [16:20] Elleo, Ah I see, I wonder why not gPodder [16:21] Elleo, I guess the iTunes one has a larger database [16:21] And is more likely to contain valid links etc [16:22] Paddy_NI: yeah, much larger [16:22] Awesome [16:22] Love the app btw [16:22] Nice and simple [16:22] Paddy_NI: we might add support for gPodder as well at some point, but it's not a priority right now [16:22] Paddy_NI: thanks :) [16:22] Cool [16:23] I guess you are perhaps waiting to see how "Online Accounts" will be implemented in a more integrated manner [16:23] Paddy_NI: main focus at the moment is developing our own webservices backend [16:23] Paddy_NI: so we can have our server sync podcast location between devices and provide push notifications when new episodes appear [16:24] Excellent now that is something I would love to see [16:24] (plus a bunch of other cool stuff, like recommendations, etc.) [16:24] Paddy_NI: http://mikeasoft.com/~mike/symbolic-notification.png <-- a WIP screenshot from a little while back [16:25] I just need a chunk of free time in which to get it all finished off really [16:25] but that doesn't look like it'll happen any time soon [16:26] That looks really nice [16:26] It's really weird having an Ubuntu Phone in hand [16:26] heh [16:27] I have been forcing myself to use it as a primary device since either Sunday or Monday [16:27] My Xperia Z2 has become a glorified TV/media remote [16:28] DLNA compatibility would make my frickin day [16:28] :-) [16:28] Dinner time :-) [16:52] Will the Ubuntu Phone be more akin to iPhone than Android when it comes to obtaining applications? [16:52] Eventually I mean [16:53] whats the difference ? [16:53] * ogra_ has never owned an iphone [16:54] I quite like that I can install apps from various sources on Android. iPhone has a more "Orwellian" feel to it [16:54] you can sideload anything you want on your ubuntu phone [16:54] ogra_, I have yet to play with that [16:54] i dont think we'll support external stores in the default images ever though ... [16:55] I guess I mean I can download APKs on android and install them [16:55] but the source is out there ... you could set up your own store and provide your own images ;) [16:55] right, thats what i meant by sideloading [16:55] you can just install a click package via adb or the terminal [16:56] ogra_, Awesome [16:57] I wonder if this option will permeate as time goes on [16:58] ubuntu will remain ubuntu [16:58] it will persist ... [16:58] which means if you decide to install stuff from other places, you get to keep the broekn pieces :) [16:58] dobey, Nice one :-) [16:58] well, there might be vendors in the future that disallow adb or prevent the terminal from being installable or some such [16:58] you never know :) [16:58] ogra_, I guess that is understandable [16:59] but on the distro level we definitely wont drop that feature [16:59] ogra_: well, not unless they provide their own app store instead of ours, i guess [16:59] ogra_: i don't think we'll ever blacklist our own terminal app :P [16:59] dobey, i guess that depends on $$$ involved ;) [17:00] Is the new Plasma Mobile built on Ubuntu Touch? [17:00] it uses the basic image, yes [17:00] and replaces Mir and unity8 [17:02] I guess if they are not using Mir that will sort of break any sharing between the two with regards code [17:03] KDE Connect would be very welcome on Ubuntu Touch === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD [17:06] ogra_, Do you use a Nexus 4 for development? === a7med is now known as Neo31 [17:18] They should totally include a link to Canonical/Ubuntus swag store on the phone, might be a good way to get some revenue... [17:18]