[06:57] <dholbach> good morning
[08:31] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Work Like A Dog Day! 😃
[08:32] <justCarakas> woef
[08:53] <Hawk_> orga_ , after changing console=tty0, it just hung on boot logo
[09:07] <jgdx> mandel, ping
[09:22] <ogra_> HaoLi, awesome ... so you got over the hump :)
[09:25] <HaoLi> ogra_,hello
[09:26] <ogra_> your next prob is that adbd wont let you in ... (it checks for the screen lock state and only starts after the android container is fully up, which i guess is the bit failing for you now)
[10:07] <morphis> some one here cross-building packages for touch too?
[10:08] <morphis> always getting problems with python3.4 in vivid with sbuild (see http://paste.ubuntu.com/12005895/)
[10:09] <morphis> ogra_: any idea?
[10:11] <ogra_> nope, i either build natively on a chromebook in a chroot or i use qemu-user-static (which i think sbuild uses too)
[10:11] <ogra_> or i just use a native PPA ;)
[10:11] <morphis> hm
[10:12] <morphis> ogra_: yeah, if you have upload access on one :)
[10:12] <anpok_> morphis: yes doing that
[10:12] <anpok_> but not for all packages..
[10:12] <ogra_> morphis, i can get you access, one sec
[10:12] <anpok_> and hm havent stumbled over that issue yet..
[10:13] <ogra_> morphis, check your mail :)
[10:13] <morphis> ogra_: thanks
[10:13] <morphis> anpok_: I basicaly set it up with an : mk-sbuild --target armhf vivid
[10:13] <ogra_> (and see PM)
[10:14] <anpok_> morphis: there are a lot of packages not working with cross building schroot.
[10:14] <morphis> hm
[10:16] <anpok_> morphis: .. hm you can try to manually install it .. maybe you see why it refuses to install python
[10:16] <morphis> I did but there seem to be problems betwne python3.4 and python3.4-minimal
[11:09] <jgdx> faenil, hi, what build-dep do I need?
[11:13] <jgdx> faenil, qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-ui-toolkit I guess :)
[11:20] <hifi> does ubuntu touch use the android kernel drivers when ported to a new phone?
[11:20] <hifi> if it's an android phone
[11:26] <k1l> hifi: it uses the android drivers in containers.
[11:27] <ogra_> hifi, yes, it has to
[11:27] <ogra_> (if you want fully functional hardware at least :) )
[11:29] <hifi> ok, yeah, I'm probably a bit off-topic, but I'm trying to figure out how I can enable stuff like usb tethering and such from /sys interface but I seem to be at loss how it's supposed to work
[11:29] <Hawk_> orga_,  stuck at boot after changing to console=tty0
[11:29] <Hawk_> http://textuploader.com/artaf
[11:29] <hifi> I figured if ubuntu touch is sharing very little code with android userspace you guys would probably know how I can do such things
[11:29] <Hawk_> this is the last_kmsg before
[11:30] <hifi> been booting this old zte blade with stock kernel into busybox and tinkering around
[11:30] <Hawk_> is the mounting error on usrdata something I need to work on?
[11:30] <hifi> I can't directly use ubuntu touch binaries as they are for newer arm hardware though
[11:31] <Hawk_> orga_ , any pointer will be much appreciated
[11:37] <ogra_> Hawk_, looks like upstart (init) iself doesnt get along with your kernel, try to find out if you have all kernel options enabled that upstart needs
[11:38] <ogra_> you are definitely in the rootfs already when it dies though, so the progress doesnt look bad :)
[11:38] <Hawk_> yes. it didnt mount the android system.img properly though
[11:38] <Hawk_> i use the script to add the kernel config
[11:39]  * ogra_ would google for "used greatest stack depth"
[11:39] <ogra_> seems the kernel is not allowing something that the binaries expect there
[11:39] <ogra_> or some such (wildly guessing here)
[11:39] <Hawk_> phablet-porting-scripts
[11:40] <Hawk_> i see. its the kernel that i need to focus on then?
[11:40] <ogra_> well, that might not be complete or not turn off interfering options
[11:40] <ogra_> yeah,, thats where i would start at least
[11:41] <Hawk_> ok, would have to check those previous successful xperia port then. thanks
[11:42] <ogra_> hifi, the usb tethering is al done in userspace by setting options via setprop in  the android container alongside with adjusting network config in the ubuntu userspace for it
[11:42] <Hawk_> doing this xperia l is driving me nut. have to take out the battery every single time it hang
[11:43] <hifi> ogra_: if setprop is used, does it mean it requires non-free userspace utilities to do that switch?
[11:43] <ogra_> whats nonfree about setprop ? :)
[11:44] <hifi> well, why do you need to use setprop in the first place?
[11:44] <hifi> what's magical about it
[11:44] <ogra_> the android container manages the usb gadget
[11:44] <hifi> the kernel exposes /sys and /dev interfaces, right?
[11:44] <ogra_> to tell the android container we want something changed we use setprop,  the container notices the change and applies te config it has for this case in init.rc
[11:45] <ogra_> we leave all HW handling to the container where possible and only interact with it
[11:45] <ogra_> else you end up with a mess
[11:45] <ogra_> we could definitely just do it from sysfs if wanted
[11:45] <ogra_> but then yoou have to maintain hw config in two places and need to keep them in sync
[11:46] <hifi> makes sense I guess
[11:46] <hifi> my goal here actually is to try to just get debian armel to run with as little changes as possible on the hardware as it's binary compatible
[11:46] <ogra_> (if you check your inir.rc for your device wou will likely see that it only writes to sysfs to make the actual change too)
[11:47] <hifi> it doesn't actually
[11:47] <ogra_> well, init.usb.rc or some such usually
[11:47] <hifi> I tried looking for it but I can't find the sysfs interface anywhere
[11:47] <ogra_> tere are sub-files of init.rc
[11:47] <hifi> everywhere I look it's supposed to be at /sys/class/android_usb/android0/
[11:47] <hifi> but I don't have /sys/class/android_usb
[11:47] <ogra_> right
[11:47] <ogra_> well,, then your kernel doesnt have the android gadget enabled i guess
[11:47] <hifi> not even when I adb in the running android system
[11:48] <hifi> which definitely can switch it on
[11:48] <ogra_> so check how it is switched on ;)
[11:48] <hifi> if I only knew where to look, right? :p
[11:49] <ogra_> usually it is either directly talking to the gadget via sysfs or it uses a functionfs on top to modify the setup
[11:49] <hifi> it's weird I can't find any references that don't use android_usb sysfs class
[11:49] <ogra_> at least in android 4.x (i never looked deeply into older versions)
[11:49] <hifi> this is way old, 2.2 with 2.6.32 kernel
[11:49] <ogra_> ah
[11:49] <ogra_> yeah, that might be different then
[11:49] <hifi> so it's very likely it changed
[11:50] <hifi> at least I could compile the kernel still to get debug output without adb, so that's something
[11:50] <hifi> I thought I could see from the actual kernel source how the mode switch is done
[11:50] <ogra_> (mind you, you wont be able to usea recent debian on it then ... systemd requites 3. kernels)
[11:50] <ogra_> *requires
[11:51] <hifi> in the end I could run a newer kernel if the drivers are portable
[11:54] <ogra_> heh, thats surely quite some effort
[11:54] <ogra_> (do you thinnk that is actually worth it ? )
[11:54] <hifi> I'm on vacation, all bets are off
[11:55] <hifi> it's an interesting concept to reuse old phones as small wireless enabled servers, don't you think?
[11:55] <hifi> old android phones are starting to accumulate and the hardware is fairly usable
[11:56] <ogra_> oh, yeah, for server stuff for sure ... if you dont mind wlan speed :)
[11:58] <ogra_> the first thing from the community when we released the first nexus4 image for ubuntu was that they made tomcat work on it :)
[11:58] <hifi> with usb tethering you could have a host system that a bunch of phones connect to and you get lower latency
[11:58] <ogra_> (including a whole java IDE that ran on it)
[11:58] <hifi> heh
[11:59] <hifi> I also hope I can built this without actually much coding, it's all about gathering the pieces together
[11:59] <hifi> unfortunately ubuntu touch binaries weren't compatible
[11:59] <ogra_> we inly use armel inside the container ;)
[12:00] <ogra_> (or rather: we let android use what it wants in there)
[12:00] <ogra_> kind of a requirement if you have to use binary drifers
[12:01] <ogra_> *drivers
[12:02] <hifi> how is the wifi? I see the kernel only exposes rmnet interfaces along with usb0 and tunl/sit
[12:02] <hifi> afaik rmnet is used for gsm networking etc.?
[12:03] <ogra_> yes
[12:04] <ogra_> for wifi you likelly have a wlan0 device after the driver was initialized properly
[12:05] <hifi> I likely require some sort of sysfs magic or rfkill magic to enable it
[12:05] <hifi> as I don't see any wireless interfaces
[12:06] <ogra_> you likely require firmware to be uploaded to the chip
[12:06] <hifi> ah
[12:06] <ogra_> check your init.rc files (once again) :)
[12:07] <hifi> init.athwlan.sh only does setprop magic again, damn it
[12:07] <hifi> ah, found the firmware
[12:07] <ogra_> well, the setprop usually triggers something ...
[12:07] <hifi> and a .ko kernel module
[12:08] <ogra_> (something that gets picked up by some init.rc service)
[12:12] <hifi> cool, got wlan0 up
[12:12] <hifi> so that's something
[12:19] <hifi> I guess the next thing I should try is getting a newer kernel to run then if I plan to run systemd enabled debian on it
[12:19] <hifi> thanks a lot ogra_
[12:35] <hectortrope> Guys it's very urgent canm some tell me how I install ubtunu oin my android>
[12:38] <jgdx> hectortrope, what device do you have?
[12:38] <hectortrope> micromax a311
[12:38] <hectortrope> its having octacore processor
[12:38] <jgdx> !devices | hectortrope
[12:38] <hectortrope> 2gb ram
[12:40] <jgdx> hectortrope, there are some lg devices, but not your it seems. If it's not there, you can't install ubuntu on your device.
[12:43] <hectortrope> may be no one tried I think so
[12:44] <ogra_> hectortrope, you mean noone tried to port to the device ? yeah, thats a pretty hard task
[12:44] <ogra_> you need to know a lot about both systems to do that
[12:44] <ogra_> (and about build systems too)
[12:45] <hectortrope> ogra_:  But after rooting my android I removed some pre-apps and now phone not working
[12:46] <hectortrope> so better tinme to install ubunru
[12:46] <ogra_> well, you first have to do a port ... thats a month or more of work for an experienced person i'd say
[12:48] <hectortrope> port?/
[12:49] <hectortrope> so impossible for me?
[12:49] <hectortrope> why one month?
[12:49] <hectortrope> ogra_:  any tutorials?
[12:50] <ogra_> well, one month for someone who knows about compiling android and the internals about how ubuntu operates with the android container
[12:50] <ogra_> for someone inexperienced it will take way linger
[12:50] <ogra_> *longer
[12:50] <ogra_> there is a link to the portin guide in the channel topic
[12:52] <hectortrope> but why one month?
[12:52] <hectortrope> if I foloow step by step one in one day etc?
[12:55] <k1l_> hectortrope: if you work 24h a day on that port you will be faster than one month :) but it is a lot of work. its not "click here and everything works"
[12:55] <hectortrope> k1l_:  :-(
[12:55] <hectortrope> lol shit
[12:55] <hectortrope> very very tough?
[12:56] <hectortrope> I need some phone and will it stop existing android?
[12:56] <k1l_> you need to have some knowledge about the underlying systems. and that is more than the average user got.
[12:58] <ogra_> hectortrope, one bit of porting means to know the android tree and remove *everything* thats not needed for minimal HW bits ... that alone will take you days
[12:58] <ogra_> (unless you know the source tree for your device in and out already)
[13:00] <k1l_> there seem to be some guys on xda fiddeling with that device. but its not a big hacking community like on the famous devices like nexus etc.
[13:04] <faenil> jgdx: apt-get build-deps ubuntu-ui-toolkit should be okay
[13:04] <gvs77> Will making my phone writable break OTA updates?
[13:04] <faenil> jgdx: sorry I'm currenty talking via login shell, I upgraded my system to be able to build unity and it doesn't boot anymore
[13:04] <faenil> (yay)
[13:04] <gvs77> just that action I mean, not modifying the base system
[13:04] <ogra_> gvs77, no
[13:05] <ogra_> OTA will parf on changes ... but not just because you made the system writable
[13:05] <ogra_> *barf
[13:05] <jgdx> faenil, what did you do? That just happened to me.
[13:06] <faenil>  jgdx I did apt-get update and upgrade
[13:07] <gvs77> Thanks ogra_, that makes sense
[13:09] <jgdx> faenil, using the overlay ppa by any chance?
[13:12] <faenil> jgdx: yup
[13:12] <jgdx> faenil, :) check if you have a 52-ubuntu-touch.conf in your lightdm conf.d
[13:12] <faenil> jgdx: see #unity to read more about the error I have
[13:13] <jgdx> k
[13:17] <hectortrope> ok ogra_  Thanks
[14:38] <tsdgeos> the stable-phone-overlay has a new xserver-xorg-core that breaks the intel driver which renders some people's machine unbootable
[14:38] <tsdgeos> any idea who to ask to either rever that  xserver-xorg-core or upload the new driver that doesn't break?
[14:38] <ogra_> erm
[14:38] <ogra_> why in the world would anyone enable the phone overlay PPA on a PC ?
[14:39] <tsdgeos> ogra_: because it's the only way to develop
[14:39] <ogra_> huh ?
[14:39] <tsdgeos> ogra_: huh what?
[14:39] <tsdgeos> the only way to build unity8 is to use the stable-phone-overlay
[14:39] <ogra_> you are running ubuntu touch on your PC to devlop ?
[14:40] <tsdgeos> or wily (which is obiously stupid)
[14:40] <ogra_> yes, in a chroot or other build env
[14:40] <tsdgeos> or compile 100 packages by hand
[14:40] <tsdgeos> so yes, i run stable-phone-overlay and that's what we've been recommending to people to do in unity8
[14:40] <ogra_> oh man
[14:40] <tsdgeos> ogra_: no i'm not running ubuntu touch to develop
[14:40] <tsdgeos> but i need the libraries
[14:41] <ogra_> well, there are other packages with newer versions that will completely bust your install
[14:41] <tsdgeos> nope
[14:41] <ogra_> lightdm for example
[14:41] <tsdgeos> it's all working fine and dandy
[14:41] <tsdgeos> except xorg-server-core
[14:41] <tsdgeos> and has been like that for months
[14:42] <ogra_> well, i doubt anyone expects that you enable that PPA on your desktop install
[14:42] <ogra_> and its a super dangerous thing to do
[14:43] <tsdgeos> ogra_: well that's interesting because everyone on the unity8 team does
[14:43] <tsdgeos> and as i said it's what we officially recommend
[14:43] <ogra_> so i doubt anyone every cared how old or new the xserver is
[14:43] <tsdgeos> so it's funny that someone has such a different opinion
[14:43] <ogra_> yes, and i say thats mildly insane to recommend to people without warning them that it has the otential to trash their install
[14:44] <tsdgeos> ok
[14:44] <tsdgeos> so basically you're saying we can't develop
[14:44] <tsdgeos> unless we use the stupid chroot
[14:44] <tsdgeos> good stuff
[14:44] <ogra_> (like i think it is massively (not mildly) instne to ask endusers to test wireless AP and make their phones writable)
[14:44] <ogra_> sure you can develop
[14:45] <tsdgeos> enlighten me
[14:45] <ogra_> i would just not recommend that method to people
[14:45] <tsdgeos> which method would you recommend?
[14:46] <ogra_> develop in a chroot, test on a test system, in a VM or on an actual phone ... seemingly you are building x86 for testing so a VM should do fine
[14:46] <ogra_> just dont make people use that PPA for desktop installs
[14:47] <ogra_> many packages in there have phone specific patches or hacks ... a dist-upgrade might get you whatnot instlled ...
[14:47] <tsdgeos> develop in a chroot is not an option
[14:47] <ogra_> not sure i uhnderstand
[14:48] <ogra_> you mean you cant edit code inside a chroot like you can edit it on your PC filesystem ?
[14:48] <tsdgeos> don't worry, i'm not going to convince you and neither the other way around :)
[14:48] <tsdgeos> let's just continue working
[14:49] <ogra_> seems like ... i just find that pretty irresponsible to recommend to externals (at least without a big fat warning<)
[14:50] <ogra_> but i guess you will deal with unbootable developer machines then ... :P
[14:50] <tsdgeos> i totally agree it's irresponsible to break people machines
[14:50] <tsdgeos> that's what i'm exactly complaining about
[14:51] <tsdgeos> but you are the righteous chroot developer and need to force everyone onto your workflow
[14:51] <tsdgeos> it'd be much easier just not breaking people's machines
[14:52] <mcphail> perhaps there needs to be a separate PPA to suit the different use case?
[14:52] <tsdgeos> there's no different usecase, that ppa has worked fine since it's inception, and it's very easy to fix
[14:52] <tsdgeos> if i knew who to talk, that is obviously not ogra_
[14:54] <ogra_> mcphail, a separate PPA wouldnt solve the issue that you end up with a hybrid desktop-phone install that is full of phone specific patches to packages the noirmal archive doesnt have
[14:54] <ogra_> tsdgeos, try sil2100
[15:21] <NymeriaFr> hello guys
[15:21] <NymeriaFr> There is my application : http://www.jeodrive.com/download/qfacts-tar/
[15:22] <NymeriaFr> I can lunch it very well on desktop but impossible to start it into my aquaris E4.5
[15:24] <NymeriaFr> Sdk-Launcher> Received a failed event
[15:24] <NymeriaFr> there is my error
[15:44] <mete_> hiya guys
[15:44] <mete_> I need help
[15:44] <mete_> mete@Animus:~$ ubuntu-device-flash touch --channel=ubuntu-touch/stable/ubuntu
[15:44] <mete_> 2015/08/05 16:42:54 Expecting the device to expose an adb interface...
[15:44] <mete_> 2015/08/05 16:42:54 Device is |shieldtablet|
[15:44] <mete_> Device shieldtablet not found on server https://system-image.ubuntu.com channel ubuntu-touch/stable/ubuntu
[15:44] <mete_> what should I do or how should I load
[15:44] <mete_> mete@Animus:~$ ubuntu-device-flash touch --channel=ubuntu-touch/stable/ubuntu
[15:44] <mete_> 2015/08/05 16:42:54 Expecting the device to expose an adb interface...
[15:44] <mete_> 2015/08/05 16:42:54 Device is |shieldtablet|
[15:44] <mete_> Device shieldtablet not found on server https://system-image.ubuntu.com channel ubuntu-touch/stable/ubuntu
[15:44] <mete_> any ideas/
[15:44] <mete_> ?
[15:45] <mete_> guys
[15:45] <popey> hello
[15:45] <popey> we don't have an image for the nvidia shield tablet
[15:47] <mete_> so I cant install ?
[15:47] <mete_> :(
[15:47] <mete_> Is there any other os I can load ?
[15:49] <popey> No idea
[15:49] <popey> You certainly can't install Ubuntu.
[15:50] <ogra_> heh, perhaps you can ... if jumping through some fiery hoops :) but we are surely the wrong people to ask about that
[15:51] <ogra_> if you want to port the ubuntu touch images to the shield people in here will surely answer questions ... weather there are other OSes you have to ask nvidia
[15:51] <mete_> how?
[15:51] <mete_> ask to who?
[15:52] <ogra_> no idea
[15:52] <mete_> how can I port then ?
[15:52] <ogra_> you need the android source for the device ... do you have that ?
[15:52] <ogra_> then there is a porting guide in the channel topic
[15:53] <ogra_> note that this isnt an easy task and requires a lot of work
[15:53] <mete_> oh god ....
[15:53] <mete_> okay then what if I can change the device name and serials
[15:53] <mete_> andmake it I dont know
[15:53] <mete_> nexus
[15:53] <mete_> and then
[15:53] <popey> no
[15:54] <mete_> install nexus image?
[15:54] <popey> different hardware inside
[15:54] <kalikiana> wtf my phone in my pocket went so hot, it went to gastboot mode on its won, and I can't reboot it anymore
[15:54] <mete_> okay so
[15:54] <kalikiana> if anyone has ideas....
[15:54] <popey> like putting a ford engine in a toyota only harder
[15:54] <kalikiana> :-(
[15:54] <popey> kalikiana: hold power down for longer than you think you need to
[15:54] <kalikiana> hmmm okay
[15:54] <mete_> okay what about How can I change the serial and product Id?
[15:54] <ogra_> kalikiana, plus 5 seconds ...
[15:55] <ogra_> :)
[15:55] <kalikiana> lol
[15:55] <popey> mete_: for what purpose?
[15:55] <ogra_> mete_, why would you want that ?
[15:55] <k1l_> mete_: http://forum.xda-developers.com/shield-tablet/general/request-porting-ubuntu-touch-t2869169
[15:55] <popey> good find k1l_
[15:56] <mete_> wow
[15:56] <k1l_> mete_: you could ask there if there is a new effort to do it now.
[15:56] <mete_> will read that
[15:56] <popey> it wont take long
[15:56] <mete_> oh yes my porpuse is clear
[15:56] <mete_> because recently thers a giant recall on devices
[15:56] <mete_> fire hazardous
[15:56] <mete_> and I will recevie another one
[15:56] <popey> yay, free stuff
[15:57] <mete_> but with this one Ill like to see linux ubuntu touch
[15:57] <mete_> yeap
[15:57] <mete_> :P
[15:57] <popey> yeah, not gonna happen till someone does the port
[15:57] <k1l_> had someone in here had the "red light of death" on his n4? my n4 died on a night on the QI charger and doesnt boot anymore
[15:57] <popey> yes
[15:57] <popey> charge from wall charger
[15:57] <popey> and maybe disconnect battery if it really wont charge
[15:58] <ogra_> yeah disconnectin the battery always helps with that
[15:58] <k1l_> did charge from wallplug, open it, disconnect battery etc. nothing did the trick so far :(
[15:58] <ogra_> though usually charging suffices
[15:58] <popey> :(
[15:58] <popey> is it a nice high capacity charger?
[15:59] <ogra_> yeah, you want something with 2A or more
[15:59] <k1l_> maybe its a late fallback from the swimming-with-my-n4 form one month ago. i did dry it and it worked afterwards, i thought at least
[15:59] <kalikiana> my finger is starting to hurt, I wonder how long I need to hold....
[15:59] <ogra_> yeah, probably your battery catched a cold that only developed slowly
[16:00] <k1l_> 2A or more? i will look out for a powerfull charger. but i got a n6 now for 350euro. so i could run ubuntu on the n4 full time as spare device.
[16:11] <kalikiana> popey: ogra_ I had to do power+up :-P
[16:11] <popey> \o/
[16:11] <popey> that too
[16:11] <ogra_> oh
[16:11] <kalikiana> I figured it might be wrong when my hands hurt :-D
[16:12] <kalikiana> curiously it booted super fast
[16:12] <kalikiana> well, not complaining now
[16:15] <Paddy_NI> I wonder where "Podbird" gets its database of podcasts from?
[16:15] <Paddy_NI> Ubuntu Podcast is not there oddly, nor is BadVoltage
[16:16] <Paddy_NI> I must have a proper look at the source later
[16:16] <popey> yeah they are
[16:17] <Paddy_NI> hmm..
[16:17] <popey> http://people.canonical.com/~alan/screenshots/device-2015-08-05-171710.png
[16:17] <popey> [M#:http://people.canonical.com/~alan/screenshots/device-2015-08-05-171735.png
[16:18] <Paddy_NI> popey, Ha
[16:18] <Paddy_NI> Must be a picnic error
[16:18] <popey> ya
[16:18] <Paddy_NI> It only gave me very few results earlier
[16:18] <Paddy_NI> Possibly could have timed out or something
[16:19] <Paddy_NI> Two versions of the MP3 feed and one that does not specify what it is
[16:19] <Paddy_NI> I'll assume that is the OGG
[16:20] <Elleo> Paddy_NI: it uses the itunes database
[16:20] <Paddy_NI> Elleo, Ah I see, I wonder why not gPodder
[16:21] <Paddy_NI> Elleo, I guess the iTunes one has a larger database
[16:21] <Paddy_NI> And is more likely to contain valid links etc
[16:22] <Elleo> Paddy_NI: yeah, much larger
[16:22] <Paddy_NI> Awesome
[16:22] <Paddy_NI> Love the app btw
[16:22] <Paddy_NI> Nice and simple
[16:22] <Elleo> Paddy_NI: we might add support for gPodder as well at some point, but it's not a priority right now
[16:22] <Elleo> Paddy_NI: thanks :)
[16:22] <Paddy_NI> Cool
[16:23] <Paddy_NI> I guess you are perhaps waiting to see how "Online Accounts" will be implemented in a more integrated manner
[16:23] <Elleo> Paddy_NI: main focus at the moment is developing our own webservices backend
[16:23] <Elleo> Paddy_NI: so we can have our server sync podcast location between devices and provide push notifications when new episodes appear
[16:24] <Paddy_NI> Excellent now that is something I would love to see
[16:24] <Elleo> (plus a bunch of other cool stuff, like recommendations, etc.)
[16:24] <Elleo> Paddy_NI: http://mikeasoft.com/~mike/symbolic-notification.png <-- a WIP screenshot from a little while back
[16:25] <Elleo> I just need a chunk of free time in which to get it all finished off really
[16:25] <Elleo> but that doesn't look like it'll happen any time soon
[16:26] <Paddy_NI> That looks really nice
[16:26] <Paddy_NI> It's really weird having an Ubuntu Phone in hand
[16:26] <Elleo> heh
[16:27] <Paddy_NI> I have been forcing myself to use it as a primary device since either Sunday or Monday
[16:27] <Paddy_NI> My Xperia Z2 has become a glorified TV/media remote
[16:28] <Paddy_NI> DLNA compatibility would make my frickin day
[16:28] <Paddy_NI> :-)
[16:28] <Paddy_NI> Dinner time :-)
[16:52] <Paddy_NI> Will the Ubuntu Phone be more akin to iPhone than Android when it comes to obtaining applications?
[16:52] <Paddy_NI> Eventually I mean
[16:53] <ogra_> whats the difference ?
[16:53]  * ogra_ has never owned an iphone
[16:54] <Paddy_NI> I quite like that I can install apps from various sources on Android. iPhone has a more "Orwellian" feel to it
[16:54] <ogra_> you can sideload anything you want on your ubuntu phone
[16:54] <Paddy_NI> ogra_, I have yet to play with that
[16:54] <ogra_> i dont think we'll support external stores in the default images ever though ...
[16:55] <Paddy_NI> I guess I mean I can download APKs on android and install them
[16:55] <ogra_> but the source is out there ... you could set up your own store and provide your own images ;)
[16:55] <ogra_> right, thats what i meant by sideloading
[16:55] <ogra_> you can just install a click package via adb or the terminal
[16:56] <Paddy_NI> ogra_, Awesome
[16:57] <Paddy_NI> I wonder if this option will permeate as time goes on
[16:58] <dobey> ubuntu will remain ubuntu
[16:58] <ogra_> it will persist ...
[16:58] <dobey> which means if you decide to install stuff from other places, you get to keep the broekn pieces :)
[16:58] <Paddy_NI> dobey, Nice one :-)
[16:58] <ogra_> well, there might be vendors in the future that disallow adb or prevent the terminal from being installable or some such
[16:58] <ogra_> you never know :)
[16:58] <Paddy_NI> ogra_, I guess that is understandable
[16:59] <ogra_> but on the distro level we definitely wont drop that feature
[16:59] <dobey> ogra_: well, not unless they provide their own app store instead of ours, i guess
[16:59] <dobey> ogra_: i don't think we'll ever blacklist our own terminal app :P
[16:59] <ogra_> dobey, i guess that depends on $$$ involved ;)
[17:00] <Paddy_NI> Is the new Plasma Mobile built on Ubuntu Touch?
[17:00] <ogra_> it uses the basic image, yes
[17:00] <ogra_> and replaces Mir and unity8
[17:02] <Paddy_NI> I guess if they are not using Mir that will sort of break any sharing between the two with regards code
[17:03] <Paddy_NI> KDE Connect would be very welcome on Ubuntu Touch
[17:06] <Paddy_NI> ogra_, Do you use a Nexus 4 for development?
[17:18] <Paddy_NI> They should totally include a link to Canonical/Ubuntus swag store on the phone, might be a good way to get some revenue...
[17:18] <Paddy_NI> A scope would be better
[17:19] <Paddy_NI> Or possibly have a Swag category in the existing appstore
[17:19] <ogra_> ha !
[17:19] <ogra_> thats a great idea :)
[17:19] <Paddy_NI> :-)
[17:22] <cwayne> i can see the article on phoronix now
[17:22] <cwayne> "CANONICAL PUSHES ADS TO UNITY8 SCOPES"
[17:23] <Paddy_NI> lol
[17:23] <Paddy_NI> I know that's Precisely why it should be done!
[17:23] <Paddy_NI> You need to feed them something
[17:23] <ogra_> better: "canonical introduces digital coupons"
[17:34] <Paddy_NI> I quite like the Ubuntu Regatta Fleece although I have no idea what size I should get.  I really should purchase some measuring tape...
[17:38] <mariogrip> ondra: what's the status for "phablet-5.0.2_r3"?
[18:57] <kalikiana> wow, the "fastboot mode" happened again, in my pocket
[18:57] <kalikiana> I'm starting to be a bit conerned here
[18:58] <Paddy_NI> ON which handset?
[18:58] <kalikiana> E4.5
[18:59] <kalikiana> had it in my backpocket
[18:59] <kalikiana> locked as usual
[18:59] <kalikiana> it's happened the second time today
[18:59] <Paddy_NI> I can't say I have experienced this yet
[18:59] <Paddy_NI> Backpocket?
[18:59] <k1l_> kalikiana: fastboot mode?
[18:59] <kalikiana> yeah. I have had it "try to unlock itself" before
[18:59] <Paddy_NI> I would never put a phone in my back pocket
[18:59] <kalikiana> but fastboot is new
[19:00] <kalikiana> k1l_: that's what usually I would use for emergency un-bricking after a bad update
[19:00] <kalikiana> it requires holding volume up and power for 10 secs
[19:00] <kalikiana> so... I don't even get how it does it
[19:00] <k1l_> i know fastboot mode. that is when you press power and vol- on most devices on boot
[19:01] <Paddy_NI> Try putting it in a less "tight" pocket and seeing if it does it again
[19:01] <kalikiana> yeah
[19:01] <kalikiana> vol- or vol+ depnds on the device
[19:01] <Paddy_NI> It would not be difficult to activate really
[19:01] <k1l_> sounds like the buttons get pressed in your pocket. and after the shutdown the buttons are still pressed and it gets to fastboot mode.
[19:01] <kalikiana> well, I don't know.. it certainly is concerning me because it makes me totally unavailable silently...
[19:02] <Paddy_NI> Avoid using your back pocket for a day and see if that remedies the issue
[19:02] <kalikiana> that'll be tricky, my other pockets can't take two phones and other stuff :-D
[19:02] <Paddy_NI> Ah
[19:03] <Paddy_NI> You could invest in one of those kickstarter travel jackets
[19:03] <Paddy_NI> lol
[19:04] <Paddy_NI> kalikiana, https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/597538543/the-worlds-best-travel-jacket-with-15-features-bau
[19:05] <Paddy_NI> kalikiana, Do you have the gel case on or off?
[19:05] <Paddy_NI> The case makes the buttons a little tougher to push, maybe that is an option for you
[19:05] <Paddy_NI> First determine whether or not it is a pocket related issue
[19:05] <Paddy_NI> ;-)
[19:06] <kalikiana> Paddy_NI: I never got around to getting one because of not being in spain... and then I forgot to try again. did they improve the store meanwhile?
[19:06] <kalikiana> the last time I tried it required a spanish postal code
[19:07] <kalikiana> I'd like to get one indeed
[19:09] <Paddy_NI> kalikiana, I'm not sure, my E4.5 was give to me my a man called Seamus in the Pub
[19:09] <kalikiana> lol
[19:09] <kalikiana> that sounds shady :-D
[19:09] <Paddy_NI> The really funny thing is it's true
[19:09] <Paddy_NI> Actually it's a mate who receives loads of things like that through his work
[19:10] <Paddy_NI> He primarily uses an MS stack so the phone was switched on once and never really used
[19:10] <Paddy_NI> I think he toyed with the sdk briefly but just does not have the time
[19:10] <Paddy_NI> Lucky me
[19:11] <Paddy_NI> I have a big bright yellow gel case for it
[19:11] <Paddy_NI> I took it off
[19:12] <kalikiana> Paddy_NI: so... not happy with the case?
[19:12] <kalikiana> I was wondering if the gel case was any good
[19:13] <Paddy_NI> It's actually a good case, fits very snuggly
[19:13] <Paddy_NI> Edge gestures however become a little more awkward
[19:13] <Paddy_NI> I don't tend to use cases very much
[19:15] <cwayne> \o/, just tested my runtracker app, and it was actually more accurate than my fitbit's gps :D
[19:16] <Paddy_NI> cwayne, That's pretty neat
[19:19] <Paddy_NI> I might give your "scopecreator" a try shortly
[19:19] <Paddy_NI> cwayne, ^
[19:19] <cwayne> Paddy_NI: cool :) lemme know if you get any questions
[19:19] <Paddy_NI> cwayne, Certainly Sir :-)
[19:32] <Paddy_NI> cwayne, Would it be possible to use scopecreator to create a Scope that points to transmission-daemon?
[19:36] <cwayne> Paddy_NI: if there's an RSS feed for it perhaps
[19:36] <cwayne> it's really just a templaste for RSS, twitter accounts/lists, and youtube channels
[19:37] <hectortrope> hi cant I do https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/installing-ubuntu-for-devices/  from debian?
[19:37] <Paddy_NI> I guess I could have it point to a list of linux distro torrents
[19:38] <cwayne> sure, i mean you could write a scope for transmission-daemon probably, but scopecreator is really kinda limited
[19:38] <cwayne> it's more for like, news sites and stuff, so people that aren't necessarily devs can make scopes in 5 minutes
[19:38] <plm> Hi all
[19:38] <plm> ubuntu phone use just snap instead apt-get?
[19:39] <Paddy_NI> cwayne, That's cool I can think of a number of sites that I would like to see news from that easily
[19:41] <cwayne> Paddy_NI, yeah, and you can add keywords now so they automagically show up in the news aggregator scope too :)
[19:42] <Paddy_NI> cwayne, really?
[19:42] <Paddy_NI> Has that update been pushed out yet?
[19:47] <plm> anyone?
[19:54] <davmor2> plm: no it is click it will become snap in the future though
[20:10] <plm> davmor2: what is difference between click and snap?
[20:12] <davmor2> plm: not a lot, snaps are based off of the work that went into click
[20:16] <plm> davmor2: so a click is a snap? :)
[20:17] <davmor2> plm: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/tutorials/build-snaps/   https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/publish/packaging-click-apps/  that might help you
[22:24] <leptone> whats the best way to refer to this project: Ubuntu Touch? Ubuntu for Phones?
[22:25] <k1l_> the plan was ubuntu for phones. but ubuntu touch somewhat got the hype :)