[04:04] <mapito> hey all
[04:15] <mapito> hi zmoylan-pi
[04:35] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[07:17] <MooDoo> howdy all
[07:18] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[07:20] <MooDoo> :)
[08:15] <nucc11> anybody using 2FA on their SSH server? do you know a linux GUI client that can do 2FA ?
[08:15] <nucc11> i mean for SFTP
[08:15] <popey> does it have to be gui?
[08:16] <nucc11> yea, meant for a normal person
[08:16] <popey> oh
[08:16] <nucc11> i myself am fine with sftp on the cli
[08:16] <popey> well I use a python program called 2fa.py which could easily be wrapped in a gui
[08:17] <nucc11> is it this one? https://code.launchpad.net/~toykeeper/+junk/2fa ??
[08:17] <popey> yes
[08:17] <nucc11> ah, Cyberduck does support 2FA :)
[08:17] <nucc11> problem solved
[08:26] <foobarry> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-33772261
[08:26] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:26] <foobarry> i don't understand why it isn't a breach of copyrigth law to use the leaked hackingteam code?
[08:27] <popey> because it isnt
[08:27] <foobarry> "When Joe Greenwood, of cybersecurity firm 4Armed, saw that source code for the programme had been dumped online by hackers, he couldn't resist experimenting with it."
[08:27] <foobarry> why not?
[08:27] <popey> just like it's not copyright infringement to watch a movie you didnt pay for
[08:27] <popey> it's copyright infringement to _distribute_ the code or movie
[08:28] <popey> but distribute != use
[08:29] <popey> which is why you generally don't get prosecuted for downloading a film or computer software, but might for re-distributing it, if you distribute to enough people to get noticed
[08:29] <foobarry> it is breaking a law though
[08:29] <popey> what law?
[08:29] <foobarry> to download without permission of the copyright holder. unauthorised downloading and use
[08:30] <foobarry> just checking
[08:31] <popey> copying is allowed for the purposes of news reporting and critique
[08:31] <popey> and you just linked to bbc news :)
[08:31] <foobarry> which is permitted by the copyright holder
[08:31] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Work Like A Dog Day! 😃
[08:32] <popey> not the way I read it
[08:33] <foobarry> " Downloading a song, film or television programme without paying for it is a breach of copyright. In the UK, the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988 currently protects copyrighted materials and if you download or distribute copyrighted files without permission you could potentially face a civil action for thousands of pounds of damages"
[08:33] <foobarry> civil not criminal law
[08:35] <nucc11> well, the BBC article is useless.
[08:36] <foobarry> although finding the chapter and verse seems difficult. tends to talk about making a copy, etc
[08:36] <nucc11> no info about what flaws are exploited, or what someone can do to avoid being hacked like that
[08:37] <nucc11> i just might wind up buying an iphone… it seems to actually be the most secure of the mobile OSes
[08:37] <foobarry> your phone would need to be rooted first
[08:37] <foobarry> nucc11: lol
[08:37] <nucc11> foobarry: that was only for iphones.
[08:37] <nucc11> androids as far as the news of the hacking team leaks go, could be hacked without being rooted
[08:37] <nucc11> ios was the only one which was mostly impenetrable if it wasn't rooted
[08:38] <brobostigon> every system has flaws, every system has bugs and can be hacked, no system is totallly safe.
[08:38] <nucc11> brobostigon: of course. but speaking in relative terms, android appears to be tbe most porus.
[08:39] <nucc11> porous :p
[08:39] <foobarry> depends how you use it.
[08:40] <brobostigon> well, it in my mind, has a good balence between security and freedom, if you use abit of logic, it is nominally fairly safe, like any system, you use abit of logic and use obvious security, like not downloading silly email attachments etc.
[08:41] <foobarry> it is the closest mobile OS to windows XP though
[08:41] <foobarry> people downloading random kernels and apks without consideration
[08:41] <brobostigon> for example, a program like tasker, would be basiclly impossible on IOS.
[08:41] <foobarry> wild west
[08:41] <brobostigon> some people do that yes, and i thank thats plain stupid.
[08:43] <nucc11> anyway, that's one consideration. the other one is battery life, and actual perceived performance.
[08:43] <nucc11> but no need to start a flamewar.
[08:44] <foobarry> well there's always ubuntu mobile
[08:44] <nucc11> worse battery life
[08:44] <nucc11> limited app support.
[08:44] <foobarry> i thought we were talkign security
[08:44] <nucc11> ubuntu is untested, so you can't make any credible statements about it's security
[08:44] <nucc11> it's still too niche right now
[08:45] <nucc11> unless you're proposing security through obscurity
[09:02] <davmor2> JamesTait: EASY!!!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlDdcCzKjsc   also if dogs worked as hard as we do I'd be impressed ;)
[09:02] <JamesTait> davmor2, they have to work harder - those touch screen phones are difficult to use without opposable thumbs!
[09:09] <davmor2> JamesTait: that why with all have cats though, well that and to steal the cravendale obviously
[09:11] <davmor2> MooDoo: this morning I have jump the line but obviously that leads into banana boat song because of "the movie"
[09:12] <awilkins> They should so totally do Cats vs Cows on those ads
[09:12] <awilkins> And then Cat-team-up-with-Cows to take on the Humans
[09:14] <brobostigon> anyone have an og pebble, who can test my new watchface in a few weeks time?
[09:23] <MooDoo> davmor2: van halen for me
[10:46] <davmor2> well that was fun
[10:46] <davmor2> I discovered how to break virgin
[10:47] <knightwise> afternoon
[10:47] <brobostigon> hi knightwise
[10:49] <nucc11> davmor2:  how?
[10:50] <foobarry> on reddit?
[10:50] <foobarry> sorry, bit rude :Z
[10:50] <davmor2> scp a copy of an iso from your home server from your website rather than intranet
[10:51] <nucc11> you break your router?
[10:51] <davmor2> nucc11: no just overloaded it I think
[10:51] <nucc11> so you were exaggerating
[10:52] <nucc11> check and make sure it's not buffer-bloat
[10:52] <davmor2> nucc11: no it took out the internet for me :)
[10:52] <nucc11> it took out your router. likely due to packet queuing.
[10:52] <foobarry> haven't heard buffer bloat since the digg days
[10:52] <davmor2> nucc11: probably
[10:52] <nucc11> personally, i set the TXqueue lenght on all the interfaces on my router to 100
[10:55] <nucc11> assuming the router did not crash and reboot, it's more likely the packets were being queued unfairly in favour of the large download
[10:55] <nucc11> and other connections were simply timing out due to packet loss
[10:56] <nucc11> especially considering virgin media's pitiful upload speeds
[10:56] <davmor2> nucc11: well when I say it took out the internet it stopped the download of the iso too
[10:56] <nucc11> then likely the router crashed
[10:56] <davmor2> nucc11: the minute I switched to internal network is transferred in seconds
[10:56] <nucc11> or you got throttled to nothingness
[10:57] <davmor2> nucc11: :)
[10:57] <nucc11> internal network is probably gigabit
[10:57] <davmor2> nucc11: yeap
[10:58] <nucc11> there's no contention there, so you can't even compare the two.
[11:43] <ujjain> how does active directory actually work? you specify a domain
[11:43] <ujjain> how does it know to which hostnames to connect?
[11:43] <ujjain> dns resolution or...?
[11:45] <MooDoo> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Directory
[11:50] <davmor2> ujjain: you always miss "MAGIC" everything is done by magic
[11:57] <Laney> omg GBBO tonight
[11:59] <ujjain> how can I get all the Active-Diretory servers for a domain?
[12:08] <davmor2> ujjain: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ActiveDirectoryWinbindHowto and https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/samba-ad-integration.html and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ActiveDirectoryHowto
[12:10] <ujjain> yeah, that doesn't really help much, it's about finding out which domain controlelrs exist
[12:10] <ujjain> to find out if connectivity is good
[12:10] <ujjain> between them
[12:10] <ujjain> because now it works like 60% of the time, 40% of the time timeouts
[12:10] <ujjain> I'd like to compile a list of all available domain controllers from the linux server
[12:11] <ujjain> and like run nc -w1 ... on the port to see if it's available
[14:08] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[14:10] <davmor2> bigcalm: morning dude
[14:10] <bigcalm> Hi davmor2
[14:11] <bigcalm> 14.04.3 is out.  What's there left for you to do?
[14:11] <davmor2> bigcalm: WOT
[14:11] <popey> party
[14:12] <davmor2> bigcalm: where did you get that from
[14:12] <bigcalm> davmor2: I've been running do-release-upgrade on my VMs all morning and it's giving me 14.04.3
[14:13] <davmor2> bigcalm: hmmmm it shouldn't it isn't released till it is through testing
[14:13] <davmor2> bigcalm: 14.04.3 is released on thursday
[14:13] <bigcalm> snafu2 ~ $ ssh proliant
[14:13] <bigcalm> Welcome to Ubuntu 14.04.3 LTS (GNU/Linux 3.13.0-61-generic x86_64)
[14:13] <bigcalm> That's my physical microserver
[14:14] <davmor2> bigcalm: oh dear
[14:15] <bigcalm> Who's head will now roll?
[14:15] <bigcalm> davmor2: anyway. So now that 14.04.3 is out, you can come to the LUG tonight :D
[14:15] <davmor2> bigcalm: it isn't out and I'm still testing it
[14:16] <bigcalm> Crikey, cutting it fine
[14:16] <bigcalm> Or is that always the way?
[14:17] <davmor2> bigcalm: You start testing on Monday find any installer issues, then there is a last spin up the day before
[14:17] <bigcalm> Okay
[14:26] <foobarry> anyone used twython twitter bot?
[14:31] <davmor2> bigcalm: I know why, it has installed 14.04.2 + all updates, which is effectively 14.04.3
[14:33] <bigcalm> davmor2: it's the ISO that drops on Thursday then?
[14:33] <davmor2> bigcalm: yeap
[14:33] <bigcalm> Gotcha
[14:39] <mapito> can someone see if this wors for them ; https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bzr0qvz6uRerOGRfOEptU2p0ZkU/view its android lollipop files i need for flashing
[14:40] <mapito> but everytime i try and dl off google drive it fails before finishing;[
[15:34] <popey> willcooke: http://order-order.com/2015/08/05/ee-recall-exploding-death-chargers/
[15:34] <willcooke> \o/
[15:34] <willcooke> Good job they'd run out before I got one
[15:35] <popey> hah
[15:35] <davmor2> 1
[15:35] <popey> cheapo batteries are terrible - non shocker
[15:49] <shauno> tomorrow is .3 ?
[15:50] <popey> ya
[15:51] <shauno> hm.  timing is almost funny.  microserver thingie arrived today
[15:51] <mapps> what a hassle
[15:51] <mapps> to move my broadband i have to go there with my new rental agreement
[15:51] <mapps> and pay another £50 activation fee
[15:51] <mapps> seems fair
[16:02] <diddledan> shauno: new micro server! \o/
[16:02] <zmoylan-pi> how much would it cost to start as a new customer>
[16:12] <shauno> gotta admit, totally confused so far.  if I define an array in it's raid thingie, I still just see the physical disks in the ubuntu installer
[16:12] <jpds> shauno: Yep
[16:13] <jpds> shauno: Wait, what brand of RAID is it?
[16:13] <shauno> whatever's built into the machine, hp smart array something
[16:13] <diddledan> hp I would guess
[16:16] <shauno> pretty convinced this is going to go horribly wrong.  with two disks in raid1, I should be addressing a single logical volume, not two physical volumes
[16:17] <diddledan> shauno: is it not listed under a different device file?
[16:17] <shauno> I don't see it in the partitioning widget in the installer, no
[16:19] <popey> thats not proper raid
[16:19] <popey> I'd use linux md raid over that
[16:19] <shauno> I did try that first, but it failed to install grub
[16:20] <popey> did you make a separate /boot ?
[16:20] <popey> actually grub2 may not need that
[16:23] <shauno> not a /boot, but I did put the OS in the first 20GB, because I know I have a 2tb limit
[16:24] <diddledan> shauno: does /dev/cciss/ exist? that's where one of the hp smart array drivers put the array
[16:25] <diddledan> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/precise/man4/cciss.4.html
[16:25] <diddledan> really need to figure out what card it's using tho
[16:25] <shauno> it doesn't appear to (I'm still in the installer, so .. drivers?)
[16:58] <shauno> bah, just tried with a /boot and it did the same
[17:03] <daftykins> don't you have to install mdadm in the live session to see such arrays as a single unit?
[17:03] <daftykins> when it's the desktop ISO
[17:04] <shauno> I'm using the -server dialog-basd one
[17:05] <shauno> I have less and less idea what's going on though.  it seems /boot can't be on the array?
[17:05] <daftykins> hrmm
[17:06] <shauno> I dunno.  if I follow the instructions grub doesn't install.  and if I follow the instructions to use the hardware raid, I don't get raid.  that's all I've got so far
[17:08] <daftykins> oh this is the little toy microserver, interesting
[17:09] <shauno> yeah
[17:09] <daftykins> i'd keep the OS off an array personally :D
[17:09] <shauno> on my dell I just set the array in perc, the installer sees one disk and I install on it
[17:09] <daftykins> never played with one of those though, but as popey says perhaps RAID off and just let Linux handle it would be best
[17:09] <davmor2> shauno: which instructions are you following and for what version of ubuntu
[17:09] <daftykins> yeah but that's a proper controller
[17:10] <shauno> yeah, I'm trying "let linux handle it" at the moment, that's the version that leaves me with no grub
[17:10] <daftykins> but you have some BIOS config fighting it perhaps
[17:10] <shauno> davmor2: using https://help.ubuntu.com/14.04/serverguide/advanced-installation.html and 14.04.2
[17:10] <daftykins> is it even an up to date BIOS?
[17:11] <davmor2> shauno: what happens if you try a standard install initially to ensure that everything works?
[17:11] <shauno> (and sneaking a peek at debian's equivalent docs too, since I know most the serverguide is just copied verbatim from one release to the next)
[17:11] <davmor2> shauno: and is raid setup in the bios
[17:12] <shauno> I turned it back off in HP's stuff
[17:42] <shauno> bah.  tried to do everything perfecly normally (guided lvm), it won't boot from that either
[17:42] <daftykins> the BIOS is the newest? :>
[17:42] <daftykins> i bet there's some gotcha setting
[17:47] <SuperEngineer> Yesterday morning an nVidia update appeared in update list, was duly downloaded, installed itself without problem.
[17:48] <SuperEngineer> Yesterday evening on when starting PC, it got to log on, it logged on & went straight back to log on screen [no error shown] - would *not* go to desktop
[17:48] <SuperEngineer> I had no problem when reverting previous kernel ;)  Tonight I reinstalled the latest image [.61] - all ok again.
[17:48] <SuperEngineer> I put that last lot up here just in case it helps someone.
[17:50] <SuperEngineer> [noticed one odd thing in reverting to previous kernel... Steam claimed I had no games installed!  No prob now back to  .61
[17:51] <daftykins> 3.19 ?
[17:52] <SuperEngineer> 3.13.0-61
[17:53] <daftykins> ah so 14.04
[17:54] <SuperEngineer> & it was definitely the nVidia update that did it [no other update done] - my guess it is that it was trying to send display to my hdmi [TV & "2nd monitor"]
[17:55] <SuperEngineer> daftykins, yup 14.04
[18:11] <shauno> well, it looks like I'm getting somewhere.  I noticed the auto-lvm thingie created a 1MB 'biosgrub' partition at the start of the disk, so I did the same
[19:13] <SavageWolf> Anyone know about Nvidia GPUs?
[19:14] <daftykins> more specifically?
[19:14] <daftykins> what's your actual support question? :)
[19:14] <SavageWolf> I'm just wondering if the GT 540M is still supported.
[19:15] <SavageWolf> Like, if the drivers and whatnot are still supposed to work.
[19:16] <daftykins> that sounds like an optimus laptop inclusion, and yes
[19:16] <daftykins> likely you'll want to install at least nvidia-331 along with nvidia-prime
[19:16] <SavageWolf> I'm having this issue: http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=201716 (which isn't really Mint specific) and I'm not sure whether it's due to a hardware fault, the card being too old, or what.
[19:17] <daftykins> so you're running Mint and asking for help in here 'cause the Mint channel on spotchat is no use, or?
[19:17] <daftykins> !mint
[19:18] <SavageWolf> The problem isn't specific to Mint and it occurred back when I was using Ubuntu.
[19:18] <daftykins> that's not what i asked
[19:18] <ali1234> SavageWolf: that is a bug in the game, or in nvidia driver
[19:18] <daftykins> yeah so you're talking about using bumblebee which is the ancient implementation for optimus
[19:18] <daftykins> use something old, gonna have problems
[19:18] <ali1234> there should be another error close by
[19:18] <SavageWolf> Oh, is there something new that replaced Bumblebee?
[19:18] <ali1234> but it won't be helpful
[19:18] <daftykins> yeah i just said, nvidia-prime
[19:19] <daftykins> but yeah, Mint has its' own problems
[19:19] <ali1234> i have triggered those types of error purely from software with opengl
[19:20] <ali1234> and with just a normal desktop GPU
[19:20] <SavageWolf> Anyway, I'm waiting for a reply on the forum, I just asked here because "is this card too old" seems like something quick and easy to answer that someone up-to-date with things would know.
[19:21] <daftykins> what forum?
[19:21] <ali1234> i use a GTX 780 - it can still crash
[19:22] <SavageWolf> The mint support forum I linked earlier.
[19:22] <ali1234> you cuod try the channel for nvidia driver as well
[19:22] <SavageWolf> Could something like this be caused by high memory load, come to think of it?
[19:22] <ali1234> i think it's #nvidia
[19:22] <ali1234> it is always quiet there though
[19:22] <ali1234> not this cannot be caused by high load
[19:23] <ali1234> it is a bug and only a bug
[19:23] <SavageWolf> Anyway, how does this prime thing work, does it give you a button to press to switch cards?
[19:24] <daftykins> wouldn't be a very stable system if load caused such issues :P
[19:24] <daftykins> look it up
[19:26] <SavageWolf> Anyway, I'll try this nvidia-prime thing, thanks.
[19:26] <daftykins> SavageWolf: sorry but you should seek your own distros support
[19:27] <SavageWolf> Okay, okay.
[19:29] <ali1234> technically all support is off topic for this channel, no?
[19:30] <daftykins> *shrug*
[19:30] <daftykins> just annoys me the Mint, elementary and even CentOS users that come in #ubuntu
[19:30] <daftykins> when in the above case this one was not even on the right network ;)
[19:30] <ali1234> i can understand it for #ubuntu
[19:30] <ali1234> but this isn't #ubuntu
[19:31] <daftykins> i don't really know what the purpose of the region specific channels is at all
[19:33] <ali1234> personally i think we should help mint users when we can
[19:34] <daftykins> that's nice :)
[19:37] <ali1234> http://www.element14.com/community/docs/DOC-64259/l/atmel-cad-library-for-cadsoft-eagle-software
[19:37] <ali1234> how annoying
[19:38] <ali1234> luckily you can just hide the thing that prevents you from downloading using the inspector
[19:38] <davmor2> I think we should help any user the best we can, unless it's MooDoo he should just know better
[19:39] <ali1234> the way i see it if we chase them off they're never going to switch from mint to ubuntu...
[19:39] <bittin> https://pastie.se/ea31004a wtf people
[19:39]  * zmoylan-pi raises hand with os/2 question... :-)
[19:40] <daftykins> do we want them to switch?
[19:40] <ali1234> i don't
[19:40] <daftykins> bittin: no thanks
[19:40] <bittin> daftykins: what?
[19:40] <ali1234> but i'd be happy if everyone just kept on using windows
[19:41] <daftykins> sharing silly links
[19:41] <bittin> ah
[20:04] <ali1234> since when did RS have free delivery?
[20:04] <zmoylan-pi> since they assumed your place was one of their storage units as it has so much gear in it? :-)
[20:05] <ali1234> ha
[20:05] <davmor2> ali1234: it's happens automatically on your millionth purchase
[20:06] <ali1234> what's this, dark souls on humble bundle?
[20:07] <davmor2> ali1234: probably just trying to keep up with competition and upped their price slightly but then you think oh but there is no p&p so I save x.p
[20:07] <ali1234> nobody else does free delivery though
[20:07] <ali1234> rapid does if you spend like £50
[20:07] <shauno> I'm surprised they didn't already?  farnell give me free next-day over 20eur, and I'm not even in the same country
[20:07] <ali1234> farnell is in every country
[20:08] <shauno> we have a web storefront here, but it's always shipped from the UK or the netherlands
[20:08] <shauno> which is why I was surprised their next-day really is next-day, let alone free
[20:09] <shauno> (next-day tends to be a euphamism for 3-5 days here)
[20:09] <davmor2> ali1234: that's my point.  You look at rs lets say X is £10 but on amazon X is £8.50 but £2 p&p all of a sudden you are better off going to rs
[20:09] <ali1234> yes but nothing on RS is £10
[20:10] <ali1234> it's all surface mount resistors that cost 0.01p
[20:10] <davmor2> ali1234: it was just a let's say :)
[20:10] <ali1234> which is why they used to have a minimum order
[20:10] <ali1234> but apparently they dont now
[20:11] <ali1234> i only go to RS for stuff i literally can't get anywhere else
[20:11] <ali1234> for example i'm trying to buy some ATTINY24 in soic-14 packages
[20:12] <ali1234> i guess you are right, they need to compete with the chinese sellers on amazon and ebay
[20:15] <davmor2> ali1234: I would assume that they would need to round up to the nearest real denomination for a sale anyway so if you get 1 0.01p item, they would have to charge you a 1p at a guess
[20:17]  * zmoylan-pi pictures the poor staff navigating warehouse size of one storing ark in indiana jones movie looking for 1 x .01p part... :-)
[20:18] <shauno> heh, they just come on huge reels
[20:19] <shauno> so it's not so much finding them, more likely just annoying them by having them snip 10 off the end of a tape, rather than just throwing a box in the trolley
[20:19] <daftykins> :>
[20:19] <zmoylan-pi> so more like the scene were indy is fleeing the giant rock then when one of the reels is dislodged :-D
[20:20] <ali1234> snip off 10 and put it in an anti-static bag, print a label, and stick it on the bag
[20:20] <shauno> that said, the ones coming in tubes have bugged the familyfriendly out of me.  I don't have drawers that'll fit them
[20:22]  * diddledan plays with shauno's familyfriendlies
[20:22] <diddledan> :-p
[20:23] <diddledan> hint: there is no word or phrase I won't try to convert into a euphemism :-D
[20:23] <shauno> pft.  you're still avoiding the pub tomorrow
[20:24] <daftykins> diddledan's skipping out on your first ever meet up? :(
[20:24] <daftykins> diddledan: poor show!
[20:25] <shauno> lol, you tell him!
[20:26]  * daftykins continues to boo as he takes his empties down to the kitchen
[20:26] <shauno> I'm just not sure what to do in southampton for an evening.  we've only ever driven straight through to the ferry terminal before
[20:27] <zmoylan-pi> oooh, my sister used to work in southampton driving new vehicles off the transporters bringing them in.
[20:28] <shauno> well, I wasn't looking for a job so much, I only have ~8 hours
[20:28] <zmoylan-pi> meant she had a driving licence for all types of vehicles except tracked vehicles which got funny looks every time she was pulled over
[20:30] <daftykins> :D
[20:31] <daftykins> well soton has to have *something* of worth, right? right?
[20:31] <daftykins> stroll in the black forest if that's the name?
[20:31] <shauno> I think that's a cake?
[20:31] <shauno> diddledan: there's cake!
[20:31] <daftykins> new forest!
[20:31] <daftykins> there y'go
[20:31] <diddledan> OMG!
[20:32] <diddledan> CAKE!
[20:32] <daftykins> go for a slice of black forest in the new forest
[20:32] <diddledan> there is a black forest, too, but I don't know where
[20:32] <daftykins> oh yeah amazingstoke is only up the road
[20:32] <diddledan> or maybe it's black country?
[20:32] <daftykins> damn it diddledan i demand you attend!
[20:32] <shauno> I thought black forest was germany
[20:32] <zmoylan-pi> http://www.nerdydaytrips.com/
[20:34] <shauno> lol
[20:34] <shauno> well, I arrive about 5pm and have to be out at the crack of dawn the next day.  so not so much day trips, just .. I guess food and beer :)