[16:25] <phillw> hi wxl I've just sent an email.... decision time :)
[16:47] <wxl> does anyone remember where the seeds are under version control?
[16:47] <wxl> i can find the current copies and i note there's a change aug 4 http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/seeds/lubuntu.trusty/
[16:56] <krytarik> wxl: https://code.launchpad.net/~lubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/lubuntu.trusty
[16:56] <phillw> wxl: Never been involved with that to that depth, what is seeded is set by Julien
[16:56] <phillw> I'm not sure if anyone else has commit privs to the seed area.
[16:57] <phillw> (for lubuntu)
[16:57] <wxl> working on this at #ubuntu-devel if anyone wants to come
[16:57] <wxl> also just emailed about it
[16:57] <wxl> but
[16:57] <wxl> https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~lubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/lubuntu.trusty/revision/296
[16:57] <wxl> that's the problem child
[16:59] <phillw> wxl: I'm not welcome on there.... Soz, you're on your own :/
[17:01] <phillw> rafaellaguna: your cloak is not being applied correctly ... go check your settings!!!!
[17:01] <rafaellaguna> O.O
[17:01] <wxl> oh man i have the worst splinter
[17:01] <wxl> where is ppc for trusty btw? sigh
[17:01] <wxl> i guess that one's out?
[17:02] <rafaellaguna> everything looks fine here, phillw
[17:02] <phillw> wxl: it was out at 14.04.1
[17:02] <phillw> (18:00:42) rafaellaguna [~rafaellag@184.Red-83-45-201.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] entered the room.
[17:02] <phillw> (18:00:42) rafaellaguna left the room (quit: Changing host).
[17:02] <phillw> (18:00:42) rafaellaguna [~rafaellag@ubuntu/member/rafaellaguna] entered the room.
[17:02] <phillw> rafaellaguna: do not call me a liar ^^^^
[17:02] <wxl> phillw: oh right i forgot
[17:02] <rafaellaguna> well, it is now, phillw :)
[17:02] <wxl> i should make a wiki to document all the weird exceptions
[17:03] <rafaellaguna> wxl, again, every single comment to Lubuntu mailing list is awaiting approval?
[17:03] <wxl> argh
[17:03] <wxl> 1s
[17:03] <krytarik> !doublejoin | rafaellaguna
[17:03] <phillw> wxl: we have one already
[17:04] <wxl> phillw: where?
[17:04] <rafaellaguna> thanks ubot93, I will
[17:04] <phillw> wxl: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes/Lubuntu
[17:04] <wxl> oh that yes :)
[17:05] <wxl> i meant kind of a running thing but that's fine
[17:05] <phillw> it holds 14.04, 14.04.1 etc
[17:05] <phillw> wxl: no way can we split, as cdimage works that way.
[17:06] <wxl> phillw: that's fine. i meant something different anyways
[17:06] <phillw> krytarik: thanks
[17:06] <krytarik> phillw: Sure.
[17:07] <phillw> wxl: okies ... been few testers for 14.04.3 - but, it is not going to be CD sized and tested by cut off.... So, it's for you to make the call and we move to 14.04.04 with no alternates and look after the desktop ISOs...
[17:08] <wxl> yep
[17:08] <rafaellaguna> krytarik, you're very kind. But I'll try logging in with another app with native SASL support.
[17:08] <wxl> krytarik: hm?
[17:08] <wxl> oh derp
[17:08] <wxl> hahahah
[17:08] <wxl> #ubuntu-release
[17:08] <krytarik> lol
[17:08] <wxl> sorry krytarik
[17:09]  * wxl hands his head in shame
[17:11] <tsimonq2> Ok, I have a question. On this page: http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/341/builds/95070/testcases, I am the only person who tested the packages! What is the reasoning for this? Does nobody focus on the packaging QA for Lubuntu?
[17:12] <wxl> i could get rid of some of these  * Languages: zh-hans hu bn sv ar fi hi el ca da hi
[17:12] <tsimonq2> wxl: On this page: http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/341/builds/95070/testcases, I am the only person who tested the packages! What is the reasoning for this? Does nobody focus on the packaging QA for Lubuntu?
[17:12] <phillw> tsimonq2: please do not repeat yourself
[17:13] <tsimonq2> sorry
[17:13] <tsimonq2> I am just really confused
[17:13] <wxl> tsimonq2: currently no, but i'd love to have it done, so keep on it!
[17:14] <tsimonq2> I can't until Sunday, but as long as there is nobody working on this(and even if attention is attracted to it), I will continue!
[17:15] <wxl> tsimonq2: would it be too much of a pain for you to post a message to the list pointing out this?
[17:15] <phillw> wxl: there is an email floating around about the removal of a 'bit' that supports jp language support... but rafael is more familiar with it... Not even sure if 14.04 or 15.04 or 15.10 !!!! I just know it is not RHEL v6 and RHEL v7 realted !!
[17:16] <tsimonq2> See, I am a teen, and my parents are divorced, so my wily machine is at my mothers and I go by her on Sunday. If only there was another person to help...
[17:16] <tsimonq2> I will!
[17:16] <tsimonq2> Totally!
[17:16] <wxl> much appreciated tsimonq2 !
[17:16] <tsimonq2> What is the email address again?
[17:16] <tsimonq2> wxl:
[17:17] <wxl> tsimonq2: lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com
[17:17] <tsimonq2> Thanks!
[17:18] <phillw> wxl: that has got to be the worst posting of a ML in recent history... Rafael has already told you that every thing is going into the moderation queue :( :(
[17:18] <phillw> Including mine
[17:19] <wxl> phillw: those are fixed now finally, but you guys did not use your usual emails, os you can't exactly blame me for that :)
[17:20] <phillw> wxl: then possibly ask tsimonq2 to join the lubuntuqa mailing list? spamming users with requests on test cases seems to me a rather stupid thing to do..... but, that is just IMHO, boss :)
[17:21] <wxl> phillw: he's already on it
[17:21] <tsimonq2> phillw: wxl: I haven't sent it yet...do you have any other suggestions phillw?
[17:22] <melodie> hi
[17:22] <melodie> wxl when you want
[17:22] <phillw> tsimonq2: wxl is TL on here, we are is minions :)
[17:23] <tsimonq2> wxl: Do YOU have any other suggestions? I will send it within 2 minutes otherwise...
[17:23] <phillw> tsimonq2: but joining the lubuntu-qa ML I think would be a good idea... But, the boss has to approve that :)
[17:23] <tsimonq2> I already have...
[17:23] <tsimonq2> :P
[17:24] <tsimonq2> I got the emails about the alternate .isos
[17:24] <wxl> melodie: you can find this info on the iso tracker, but it does fit on 800. the amd is 727, so not sure if it would work with overburn
[17:24] <wxl> tsimonq2: just send it
[17:24] <tsimonq2> k
[17:25] <tsimonq2> wxl: Sent
[17:25] <wxl> rec'd
[17:25] <krytarik> wxl: I suggest creating 'lubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com', and moving to there - more open to the wider community.
[17:26] <wxl> krytarik: well technically there's lubuntu-qa on launchpad
[17:27] <krytarik> wxl: "Policy: You must be a team member to subscribe to the team mailing list."
[17:27] <tsimonq2> wxl: I joined lubuntu-qa on launchpad about a half an hour ago :P
[17:27] <phillw> krytarik: to many mailing lists is too confusing.
[17:27] <krytarik> phillw: Hence I said 'move' it.
[17:28] <phillw> krytarik: as QA == devel
[17:28] <rafaellaguna> krytarik, using a higher delay now. also autologin isn't recommended, right?
[17:28] <phillw> krytarik: no, QA / testing is humans ... devel is the people we keep in darkened cellars coding :D :D
[17:28] <krytarik> rafaellaguna: You mean auto join - why not?
[17:29] <phillw> rafaellaguna: you came in cloaked
[17:29] <tsimonq2> phillw: lol
[17:29] <krytarik> rafaellaguna: I mean, I've not enabled it for most channels myself, but...
[17:29] <tsimonq2> phillw: I might join that in the future
[17:29] <rafaellaguna> krytarik, some say the autologin could work before the identify command or the SASL connection.
[17:29] <tsimonq2> phillw: :P
[17:29] <rafaellaguna> then the double login appears
[17:29] <melodie> wxl but it does fit on 800 : this you can provide as information along with "dvd" and "live usb" (referring to your mail on the mailing list)
[17:30] <wxl> yep melodie
[17:30] <tsimonq2> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/lubuntu-users/2015-August/009865.html
[17:30] <tsimonq2> wxl
[17:30] <wxl> of course it can't be assumed that everyone has a 800
[17:30] <wxl> tsimonq2: shoot i told you the wrong place. that's fine but it should go to qa :/
[17:30] <tsimonq2> email address?
[17:30] <tsimonq2> :P
[17:31] <wxl> lubuntu-qa@lists.launchpad.net
[17:31] <tsimonq2> k
[17:32] <tsimonq2> Done
[17:33] <tsimonq2> wxl: I am not seeing it in the archives...
[17:33] <tsimonq2> ?
[17:33] <wxl> tsimonq2: you sent to the launchpad list? if so it takes a little bit
[17:33] <tsimonq2> I am here: https://lists.launchpad.net/lubuntu-qa/
[17:33] <tsimonq2> lol ok that explains it
[17:33] <tsimonq2> Ubuntu lists is usually instant
[17:33] <tsimonq2> :P
[17:33] <wxl> just got it
[17:33] <tsimonq2> cool
[17:34] <tsimonq2> wxl: Not in the archives yet...:P
[17:34] <wxl> i know
[17:34] <wxl> blame it on python
[17:35] <tsimonq2> wxl: And can somebody fix this goshdarn mini.iso problem with Lubuntu!
[17:35] <wxl> tsimonq2: which is that?
[17:35] <tsimonq2> https://lists.launchpad.net/lubuntu-qa/msg05244.html
[17:36] <wxl> this has to do with the mini.iso?
[17:36] <tsimonq2> wxl: Or rather this: https://lists.launchpad.net/lubuntu-qa/msg05247.html
[17:36] <tsimonq2> with the alternate .iso
[17:36] <tsimonq2> ask phillw
[17:37] <wxl> oh
[17:37] <wxl> yeah we're not getting alternates for trusty
[17:37] <wxl> probably won't at all
[17:37] <wxl> it's a problem that the release team needs to fix and they haven't had time
[17:37] <wxl> perhaps it will get done by .5 :)
[17:37] <tsimonq2> wxl: Sorry...what do you mean by .5?
[17:38] <wxl> tsimonq2: 14.04.5, the last point update for trusty
[17:38] <tsimonq2> wxl: HA, you already have it for .2, why wait all that time?(or was it a joke, in which case, I get it)
[17:38] <wxl> tsimonq2: it's just a matter of needing someone else's help that has limited time
[17:39] <wxl> tsimonq2: the fact that we're the only flavor providing alternates does not help
[17:39] <tsimonq2> Then we should have our own guy...
[17:39] <tsimonq2> Because that just sucks
[17:39] <wxl> true but finding the extra bodies is a problem
[17:40] <tsimonq2> Good point
[17:40] <tsimonq2> ...
 of course it can't be assumed that everyone has a 800 || they are less expensive to buy than DVD's generally.
[17:40] <tsimonq2> Mailing lisits?
[17:40] <tsimonq2> idk
[17:41] <wxl> melodie: true, but that doesn't mean anything. some people are just lazy :)
[17:41] <tsimonq2> I will think about it...
[17:41] <melodie> so sometimes it could be helfpul, at least one more choice
[17:41] <tsimonq2> lol *lists
[17:41] <tsimonq2> not lisits
[17:41] <melodie> wxl if they are lazy, they pay someone to install for them, end of the problem.
[17:42] <melodie> hi tsimonq2 I just saw your mail on the qa list : where are you from?
[17:42] <tsimonq2> Green Bay, WI, USA
[17:42] <melodie> ok
[17:42] <tsimonq2> ANd you? :P
[17:42] <melodie> WI is Wisconsin?
[17:42] <melodie> south France, nearby Toulouse
[17:42] <tsimonq2> Yes
[17:42] <tsimonq2> Wow
[17:43] <tsimonq2> Cool!
[17:43] <melodie> :)
[17:43] <tsimonq2> Anyways, this is supposed to be on-topic. If you want to talk, email me. My email is in the mailing list email. :)
[17:43] <melodie> I don't
[17:43] <melodie> just wanted to locate you on the map :)
[17:44] <tsimonq2> lol
[17:44] <wxl> oooh i like this guy already
[17:44] <tsimonq2> Me?
[17:44] <wxl> yes
[17:44] <wxl> focused :)
[17:44] <tsimonq2> lol
[17:44] <tsimonq2> ik
[17:44] <tsimonq2> Again, ON-TOPIC. If you want to talk, email me and we can do a Google Hangout or whatever
[17:44] <tsimonq2> :P
[17:45] <melodie> it will not be necessary, but thanks for proposing
[17:45] <tsimonq2> :)
[17:46] <melodie> I help the lubuntu project very slightly, only when obviously people don't know and I do, which isn't that often (but might help the buddies once a while)
[17:47] <melodie> if you want to just chit chat here and then, you can visit #linuxvillage
[17:47] <tsimonq2> wxl: Just wondering, what do you do for Lubuntu?
[17:47] <tsimonq2> melodie: Cool!
[17:47] <tsimonq2> Will do!
[17:47] <wxl> tsimonq2: release mgr, head of qa, and a bunch of other random stuff unofficially :)
[17:47] <tsimonq2> Cool
[17:47] <melodie> tsimonq2 he is the manager for the versions coming out, an community manager in short
[17:48] <tsimonq2> Is there any way that I can become a member of QA(or am I a member already...)?
[17:48] <wxl> you already are :)
[17:48] <tsimonq2> Well, cool!
[17:48] <wxl> after you have some contributions under your belt, you can become an ubuntu member too
[17:49] <tsimonq2> What kinds of contributions?
[17:49] <wxl> then you can get a cool ubuntu email alias, IRC cloak, a certificate signed by sabdfl
[17:49] <wxl> basically the membership is a recognition of continued help to the ubuntu project (of which lubuntu is a part of)
[17:49] <wxl> by doing testing, etc., you're contributing
[17:50] <wxl> if you help people on irc, it's contributing
[17:50] <wxl> basically anything you do with the project is contributing
[17:50] <wxl> unless it's not helpful :)
[17:50]  * phillw dad home on flying visit.. Mum's operation has gone well.. I have to feed him and send him back to work in the morning.... 
[17:51] <tsimonq2> How do I apply for something like this? And I am a teen...I can contribute in my free time but I don't want to have to spend every second of every day contributing(although I do run Lubuntu)
[17:52] <wxl> tsimonq2: it doesn't mean you do everything every minute, but that you aren't just doing something once every year
[17:52] <wxl> tsimonq2: i'll help get you there but meanwhile, you can start working on your membership application
[17:52] <tsimonq2> wxl: Exactly...now how do I apply/what do I still need to do to be eligible?
[17:52] <tsimonq2> Ok
[17:53] <tsimonq2> Can we email so we aren't flooding this chat?
[17:53] <wxl> we can also go to #lubuntu-offtopic ;)
[17:53] <tsimonq2> I don't have my email hidden on launchpad and I used my email to talk on the mailing list...
[17:53] <tsimonq2> Ok
[17:53] <tsimonq2> Going now...
[17:59] <melodie> wxl Julien just answered
[17:59] <melodie> fortunately I put him in copy with his other mail address in my former mail
[17:59] <melodie> so you are right, you can remove the lang packs
[18:00] <tsimonq2> wxl Go to the offtopic chat :P
[18:00] <melodie> and also if you point me directly to the filesystem.manifest I can propose some packages to remove -which Julien can decide, of course-
[20:41] <ianorlyn> wxl dialies for wiley seem not to have built
[20:57] <phillw> ianorlyn: wxl there are no builds for 6th Aug... it is not a lubuntu problem.
[20:58] <ianorlyn> there are for server
[21:00] <phillw> server is not on the beauty parade... Just like net install (mini iso)
[22:15] <tsimonq2> wxl: Why hello sir. I am back!
[22:15] <wxl> hey tsimonq2
[22:16] <tsimonq2> Hey, I have my friend here by the name spencity that wants to know about what QA is and how he can contribute
[22:16] <tsimonq2> wxl:
[22:17] <wxl> QA is basically sorting through bugs and/or testing out new pre-releases
[22:17] <wxl> how to contribute: read the wiki and go  at it :)
[22:17] <tsimonq2> Can he get a link?
[22:18] <wxl> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/QA
[22:18] <tsimonq2> Thanks
[22:18] <wxl> np
[22:18] <wxl> tell him i said thanks :)
[22:18] <wxl> oh
[22:18] <tsimonq2> And let me know if you can do a hangout later
[22:18] <wxl> wait he's right there
[22:18] <tsimonq2> Email me
[22:18] <wxl> thanks spencity :)
[22:18] <tsimonq2> Ok bye
[22:19] <spencity> So per say would I have the ability to contribute in developing future version of Ubuntu?
[22:19] <spencity> wxl:
[22:20] <tsimonq2> wxl: Can you give spencity an answer please :) thanks
[22:21] <wxl> spencity: yes
[22:22] <spencity> wxl: Thanks for the info :) !
[22:22] <wxl> spencity: let me know if you need anything else
[22:23] <spencity> wxl: Sure thing
[22:24] <wxl> tsimonq2: you guys both in wi?
[22:24] <tsimonq2> wxl: Yes we meet irl lol
[22:25] <wxl> tsimonq2: might want to see if the WI Ubuntu LoCo is still alive http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-us-wisconsin/
[22:25] <wxl> i'm also on the LoCo Council XD
[22:25] <phillw> wxl: are okay with doing the update to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes/Lubuntu for .3 ?
[22:26] <tsimonq2> wxl: I hear that is based in Madison
[22:26] <wxl> phillw: yeah i can get to that later
[22:26] <wxl> tsimonq2: oh i see you're on the list!
[22:26] <phillw> wxl:  thanks.. :)
[22:26] <wxl> tsimonq2: try to get in touch with the leaders and see if they can give you an update on what's going on with it
[22:27] <wxl> tsimonq2: if they are not actively maintaining it, we can always set you up as the new leader :)
[22:27] <tsimonq2> wxl: Ahem...well I am only a teen...but I guess :P
[22:27] <tsimonq2> We are in Green Bay
[22:27] <tsimonq2> And spencity leaves every so often
[22:28] <phillw> wxl: stop scaring the youngsters !!!
[22:28] <tsimonq2> phillw: No, it's all right
[22:28] <tsimonq2> :P
[22:28] <wxl> XD
[22:28] <spencity> For the record I happen to be older than tsimonq2
[22:28] <tsimonq2> by a couple months :P
[22:29] <spencity> My maturity however exceeds you tsimonq2 hahah
[22:29] <tsimonq2> We need to kepp ON TOPIC PEOPLE
[22:29] <tsimonq2> LUBUNTU ONLY :P
[22:30] <phillw> not sure.. I'm only 52 years old this year... So still a teenager (at heart)
[22:30] <tsimonq2> wxl: But I wouldn't mind getting set up as the new leader if you can get that set up
[22:30] <tsimonq2> phillw: LOL
[22:30] <tsimonq2> XD
[22:30] <spencity> At heart I feel wait... crud I feel nothing
[22:31] <tsimonq2> spencity and I are old enough to be legal online(13) but not old enough to be considered an adult
[22:31] <tsimonq2> ON TOPIC :P
[22:31] <wxl> tsimonq2: check with the leaders first
[22:31] <tsimonq2> ANYWAYS
[22:31] <tsimonq2> wxl: I will
[22:31] <spencity> Yes, and whomight these leaders be?
[22:31] <tsimonq2> wxl: I will paste a link
[22:31] <tsimonq2> One sec
[22:31] <tsimonq2> spencity:
[22:32] <tsimonq2> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-us-wisconsin
[22:32] <tsimonq2> I will contact the owner now
[22:32] <wxl> yep that
[22:32] <wxl> you guys can reply back to the lococouncil
[22:32] <wxl> !lococouncil
[22:33] <tsimonq2> LOL and wxl is on the Loco council too
[22:33] <spencity> You guys are way better than an encyclopedia lol
[22:33] <tsimonq2> what a coincidence
[22:33] <wxl> honestly i'm relatively new to loco council and i'm not sure if we have established any limits on age for leaders, but my guess is no
[22:33] <wxl> yep there is a reason :)
[22:33] <tsimonq2> wxl: Can you check?
[22:34] <wxl> tsimonq2: on it
[22:34] <tsimonq2> wxl: I just want you to check before I send an email to Mr. Hook
[22:34] <spencity> wxl: Hey as long as we can code have mature conversations, well what limit could there be?
[22:35] <tsimonq2> wxl: I think maturity and responsibility factor in too, spencity
[22:35] <wxl> my guess is that it's not a factor, but we will see
[22:36] <spencity> Yes which is indeed my point
[22:36] <tsimonq2> wxl: Well, I guess what I am saying is that an 8-year-old who can't do basic math shouldn't be able to run Canonical...
[22:37] <wxl> tsimonq2: true, true, but someone with the drive to get people together is probably sufficient, regardless of age. good learning experience, too!
[22:37] <tsimonq2> wxl: But for people like me and spencity, we can do more than basic math and we are responsible students
[22:37] <tsimonq2> Yes!
[22:37] <spencity> How long have you all been Ubuntu users? And lol tsimonq2:
[22:37] <tsimonq2> ON TOPIC spencity
[22:37] <wxl> OR go to #lubuntu-offtopic
[22:37] <tsimonq2> #lubuntu-offtopic
[22:37] <wxl> frankly this whole conversation is offtopic for lubuntu :)
[22:37] <tsimonq2> I was just about to say that :P wxl
[22:37] <tsimonq2> k
[22:37] <tsimonq2> Let's go there
[22:38] <spencity> I was just about to ask what we should be on topic with lol