[00:46] <wileee> oh yes, removing grub is always a great idea
[00:47] <wileee> heh
[00:47] <TJ-> Yes, it is, I do it routinely. Only one install needs to control the boot-loader, else there are all sorts of problems with the OSs each trying to rewrite it
[00:48] <wileee> matter of personal use, never had a problem with usually 3 linux install same HD
[00:49] <JanC> grub should be able to manage that itself instead  :)
[00:49] <wileee> a new person, not so good, not criticizing any help just that decision
[00:49] <TJ-> If you have custom config for grub, then you'd have to replicate it across all the OSes, and any changes in those OS grub policies could causes issues
[00:50] <wileee> Actually a new user may be better, I just load the mbr from the os that needs grub at the moment, like a kernel update
[00:50] <wileee> no custom here is all
[00:51] <TJ-> I'd hate to have multiple OSs trying to control grub, it'd make my systems unbootable
[00:53] <daftykins> i have a machine with lightning-fried USB and i no longer own a PS/2 keyboard, i can't interact with the boot menus at all 8D
[00:53] <wileee> probably the only place besides helping I'm ocd enough tyo not have issues, heh, not been diagnosed after much time spent with a clinical psych. ;)
[00:54] <wileee> I just wondered if they might be gpt, efi...etc, even with just arch
[00:57] <JanC> daftykins: you can get truckloads full of PS/2 keyboards for free  ;)
[00:58] <daftykins> hahaha
[00:59] <TJ-> Or get the soldering iron out and fix that USB!
[00:59] <daftykins> nah, power is there but the controllers got murdered
[01:00] <JanC> there are also PS/2 <-> converters  ;)
[01:00] <JanC> PS/2 <-> USB
[01:02] <daftykins> oh i'm aware, worked in this industry for quite some time
[01:03] <daftykins> but it's an old core 2 quad build so besides be used as a victim for windows 10 testing a while back it doesn't do much
[01:03] <JanC> heh, that's still quite useful hardware
[01:04] <daftykins> my own desktop is already that, so i don't need two :>
[03:12] <tintedwindows> does anybody have a good reference where i can learn how to see all the open ports on my comp?
[03:12] <cfhowlett> wafflejock: Pulp Fiction mode required: chill the frack
[03:12] <cfhowlett> tintedwindows, run !ports      in the #ubuntu
[07:56] <ObrienDave> *waves*
[07:57] <EriC^^> hey ObrienDave
[07:57] <ObrienDave> having fun in #U? ;P
[07:57] <EriC^^> yeah :D
[07:57] <ObrienDave> LOL
[08:21] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:22] <ObrienDave> o/
[08:22] <lordievader> Hey ObrienDave, how are you doing?
[08:23] <ObrienDave> good lordievader, and you?
[08:23] <lordievader> Waking up, making coffee.
[08:23] <ObrienDave> getting ready for bed. having beer ;P
[08:24] <ObrienDave> oops, had beer ;P
[08:24] <lordievader> You can allways have another ;)
[08:24] <cfhowlett> ObrienDave, a user admonished me for - wait for it - being snarky!
[08:24] <ObrienDave> don't have any more :(
[08:25] <ObrienDave> you????? heaven forbid ;P
[08:25] <cfhowlett> I know, right?  Incredible.
[08:25] <ObrienDave> what's the world coming to.... ;P
[08:26] <tintedwindows> pretty soon, theyll have us on no sleep and redbull energy drinks
[08:26] <ObrienDave> was it last night when someone got mad at me for something someone else said?
[08:26] <ObrienDave> night before? LOL
[08:27] <tintedwindows> isnt that every nigt
[08:27] <lordievader> lol
[08:27] <ObrienDave> tintedwindows, seems like it LOL
[08:27] <tintedwindows> lol
[08:28] <ObrienDave> i think cfhowlett and i trade places every night LMAO
[08:28] <cfhowlett> hey if no one complains, you're doing it wrong.
[08:28] <ObrienDave> ^5
[08:30] <ObrienDave> i have enough trouble in my life. getting kick/baned from #U would put me over the edge ;P
[08:31] <ObrienDave> it's pretty bad when i have an OP in #xubuntu on my /ignore list LOL
[08:32] <cfhowlett> whaaaaaaaaaa?
[08:32] <ObrienDave> knome. grrrrrr
[08:33] <cfhowlett> now now.  kiss and make up
[08:34] <ObrienDave> never. rassin' frassin jerk ;P
[08:36] <ObrienDave> that's one guy who really needs a windectomy ;P
[08:51] <ObrienDave> sleepy time *waves*
[11:46] <OerHeks> Yes No Yes
[16:03]  * daftykins rejoins for a giggle
[16:03] <EriC^^> :D
[16:04] <OerHeks> just too late, you missed zetheroo
[16:04] <daftykins> uhoh that nick rings a bell
[16:07] <daftykins> wonder if that earl guy even booted as EFI
[16:12] <EriC^^> almost had a chrootception going on
[16:12] <EriC^^> :D
[16:19] <daftykins> XD
[16:19] <daftykins> best call the pizza delivery boys and the firemen in
[16:29] <daftykins> i quite like 'apt' instead of apt-get, but the trouble is you can't autoremove with it and you can't clean with it - so you end up needing both still anyway
[16:29] <daftykins> the man page is particularly useless
[16:29] <OerHeks> first time i used full-upgrade
[16:29] <OerHeks> confusing, apt <> apt-get
[16:31] <daftykins> yip
[16:31] <daftykins> i'd been using dist-upgrade still with apt
[16:31] <daftykins> they're probably linked
[16:32] <TJ-> apt is the user front-end to apt-get
[16:32] <TJ-> apt full-upgrade is equivalent to apt-get dist-upgrade
[18:43] <daftykins> drat, go to put the second new tire on the bike and the inner tube bursts in several places
[18:43] <daftykins> got a spare but it says 1.5/2.2" tires max, my new on is 2.35"
[18:46] <EriC^^> that sucks
[18:47] <daftykins> s/on/one/
[18:49] <EriC^^> this guy is so lucky, nobody ever has an option to switch the order in the bios, and his install wouldn't have worked out any other way (i can think of)
[18:49] <daftykins> what kind of order? when seeing multiple EFIs?
[18:50] <EriC^^> yeah he can change the order of which efi files to boot
[18:50] <EriC^^> his bios is hard coded as it is most of the time to boot windows, but from the bios he can choose to override it
[18:51] <daftykins> hrmm
[18:52] <daftykins> my encounters with EFI kit are always fleeting, but i manage to get what i need to done when i do come up against them
[18:52] <daftykins> all my own kit is pretty old
[18:54] <EriC^^> seems i spoke too soon
[18:54] <daftykins> :<
[21:36] <daftykins> there be crazy brewin'
[21:58] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/601z06isymtw755/IMG_20150806_225243.jpg?dl=0
[21:58] <daftykins> that thing is looking pretty mean now