[04:25] <Blastyr> Hey guys. Quick question about repos and packages: Is there a difference between 14.04 with trusty-updates enabled and 14.04.2?
[04:32] <darkxst> Blastyr, just the HWE stacks, which are opt-in
[04:33] <darkxst> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[04:39] <Blastyr> darkxst: Yeah, I just found that. However, running the command listed on that page (with simulate flag) will remove: steam, skype, and ubuntu-gnome-desktop.
[04:40] <Blastyr> Forgive me for being frank, but how is that acceptable?
[04:41] <darkxst> not sure about the first 2, but it certainly should not remove ubuntu-gnome-desktop, we use that to build the 14.04.2/14.04.3 images!
[04:41] <Blastyr> Steam and Skype, I could get over and reinstall, but ubuntu-gnome-desktop?
[04:43] <darkxst> steam has a direct dep on libx11, that could cause removal
[04:44] <darkxst> but there must be update packages available somewhere if that is the case
[04:46] <Blastyr> Here's my "aptitude -s instal ..." output: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10845166/temp/hwe_stack_output.txt
[04:51] <Blastyr> I'm trying to get the new DisplayLink USB 3.0 driver to work, and apparently I can't without reinstalling my OS (or at the very least my desktop environment and a handful of apps), which is honestly pretty unacceptable.
[05:08] <darkxst> Blastyr, either you missed some package in the command or the aptitude dependency resolver is on drugs.
[05:09] <darkxst> regardless this not the place to rant on about hwe stack, that is ubuntu generic and not something we work on
[05:10] <Blastyr> darkxst: No. I tried apt-get (again with the simulate flag), as the page suggests, and I see "Remv skype", "Remv steam:i386", and "Remv ubuntu-gnome-desktop" in the output.
[05:11] <darkxst> Blastyr, try the vivid stack?
[05:12] <darkxst> sudo apt-get install --install-recommends linux-generic-lts-vivid xserver-xorg-core-lts-vivid xserver-xorg-lts-vivid xserver-xorg-video-all-lts-vivid xserver-xorg-input-all-lts-vivid libwayland-egl1-mesa-lts-vivid
[05:16] <Blastyr> Hm, looks like that one will still remove Steam and Skype, but not GNOME.
[05:20] <darkxst> Blastyr, maybe there is some multi-arch confusion, but I just installed steam in 14.04.3 just fine
[05:25] <Blastyr> Hm, well since there's a path that doesn't remove GNOME, I guess I can deal with reinstalling Skype and Steam. I'll just backup my library before I attempt this. Thanks for the assistance.
[16:31] <octoquad> darkxst, after reading this: http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-devs-willing-to-work-on-gnome-software-to-replace-ubuntu-software-center-488335.shtml do you think it makes sense to carry on with the fix for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bug/899878
[16:32] <octoquad> darkxst, I would prefer to focus on some of the more important items on the list you sent through for the wily cycle
[17:10] <Dave07747> octoquad: darkxst: may I ask, what is meant by: Create a new branch with the relevant Task-* keys renamed
[17:11] <Dave07747> In terms of after forking the seed for wily
[17:18] <octoquad> Dave07747, i'm not 100% sure, never done that before but I think he means is change the relevant Task-* key/value pairs to something else. Like Task-Description: Ubuntu GNOME desktop would be Task-Description: My Custom Ubuntu GNOME desktop
[17:19] <Dave07747> Ahhh I see, I'll check if that is it
[17:33] <Dave07747> octoquad: There is a file named live, with things like Task-description: Ubuntu GNOME love CD and Task-Per-Derivative: 1
[17:34] <Dave07747> Is this possibly what I should change and copy to my new branch
[17:57] <octoquad> Dave07747, yes I would assume so. I think you would also need to apply it to the desktop file as well. live will be for Live CD and desktop for Desktop Installation (from Live CD).
[17:59] <Dave07747> octoquad: okay yes, I see. And the values can be arbitrary? Even for like Task-Section and seeds and Derivative?
[18:39] <octoquad> Have a look at this: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-gnome-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-gnome.wily/revision/2071 expand desktop to see how the Ubuntu Gnome see happened.
[18:39] <octoquad> seed*
[19:00] <Dave07747> Ahhh that is exactly what I needed! Thank you
[19:19] <octoquad> oh, that's great :)
[19:20] <octoquad> I must say this is pretty interesting stuff, first time seeing how this is done.
[19:23] <Dave07747> It's my first time as well, and I'm so grateful for having the support of the GNOME community. I'm writing up a documentation as well along with this, so you can also get a clearer image, along with anyone else who wants to be involved in it
[19:30] <octoquad> good idea Dave07747, i've been doing the same with package patching and splitting. :)
[19:31] <Dave07747> Once I get this down, you help me with that and I'll help with actual seed stuff ;) I mean, it's an honor just to be able to contribute to the community
[19:45] <octoquad> Dave07747, I also found this earlier: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeedManagement might be useful for a reference
[19:46] <Dave07747> octoquad, thank you so much! Seems very informative, I'll check it out!
[20:06] <octoquad> np. It's getting late this side, so I might not respond, but darkxst should be online shortly if you have any more questions.
[20:11] <Dave07747> Yes of course! I appreciate all the help octoquad, goodnight!
[22:59] <darkxst> octoquad, there is absolutely no official stance on Ubuntu migrating to gnome-software, so I doubt it will happen anytime soon.
[23:00] <darkxst> so yes USC should be fixed (and probably SRU'ed to trusty if need there also)
[23:18] <darkxst> Dave07747, its pretty much as octoquad said
[23:19] <darkxst> the desktop seed is the most important one for you for now, you will probably only need to change the live cd when you get to updating the slideshow in the installer
[23:19] <Dave07747> Okay yeah, that is what I did. Now, about the meta packages?
[23:20] <darkxst> but note, I have no idea how you can make live-build use a custom live seed
[23:20] <darkxst> Dave07747, just grab the source for ubuntu-gnome-meta
[23:20] <darkxst> edit update.cfg to your needs
[23:20] <darkxst> then run update
[23:20] <Dave07747> Oh okay, so you modify it straight from bzr? And okay
[23:21] <darkxst> you also need to rename the packages in debian/control and youe next changelog
[23:21] <darkxst> yes you can just branch it from bzr
[23:25] <Dave07747> Should I keep it all in my one directory?
[23:25] <darkxst> every bzr branch has its own directory, but you can keep all those in one directory
[23:27] <Dave07747> Okay