[03:06] <cmaloney> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/zip/5157295800.html
[03:06] <cmaloney> greg-g: ^
[10:15] <brousch> Oooh, free book from packt for volunteering at PyOhio
[13:03] <cmaloney> Morning
[13:04] <cmaloney> brousch: Nice! Which one did you pick?
[13:09] <brousch> Nothing yet
[13:15] <jrwren> lol @ my data usage: 0.25 of unlimited
[13:24] <cmaloney> jrwren: Overall or for the month, or in the last 5 minutes? :)
[13:25] <cmaloney> Need a time scale
[13:25] <brousch> cmaloney: did you get your free o'reilly ebook?
[13:26] <jrwren> haha, month.
[13:26] <jrwren> all I have to do is change contract with ATT and I get personal hotspod.
[13:26] <jrwren> I've been on the grandfathered unlimited data plan for like 4yrs, but I rarely use more than 300MB :)
[13:26] <cmaloney> brousch: I did, and I didn't read it carefully.
[13:26] <jrwren> but, If I'm going to switch plans, I might as well get a free phone while I do it.
[13:26] <cmaloney> Thought it was Python and HDFS, but it's Python and HDF5
[13:27] <cmaloney> jrwren: No doubt.
[13:27] <brousch> HDF5?
[13:27] <jrwren> hahah, cmaloney that is a great confusion.
[13:27] <jrwren> HDFS v. HDF5  oh man, in my font its pretty bad to distinguish
[13:28] <cmaloney> brousch: It's a hierarchical data format for science.
[13:28] <cmaloney> So not all bad
[13:28] <cmaloney> but not the hadoopy goodness I thought I was getting
[13:28] <cmaloney> Mea culpa for not reading closer.
[13:38] <brousch> I have a couple of old Flask projects i need to revisit. I think I'll get a Flask book
[13:42] <kdub> jrwren, was there still lunch today?
[13:54] <jrwren> kdub: cscheib canceled on us.
[13:55] <jrwren> kdub: Want to still meet? we could do it closer to canton.
[13:55] <jrwren> If only there were something awesome half way between us, but I think it is all fields and new subdivisions
[13:55] <kdub> jrwren, probably best to reschedule, was trying to dance around a close-to-lunchtime dentist appt
[13:56] <kdub> are you on the west side of the city?
[13:56] <jrwren> kdub: nope. I'm on north easy side, so canton center is due east of me.
[13:56] <jrwren> kdub: http://a.placebetween.us/?search=Coffee&address1=2226%20Placid%20Way%2C%20Ann%20Arbor%2C%20MI&address2=Canton%2C%20MI
[13:58] <kdub> i'm on the border of canton/superior, so the eastern half of the city is easy to get to
[13:59] <jrwren> oh, we are actually pretty close for a drive since there is rarely traffic on Plymouth and Ford
[14:02] <cmaloney> I <3 it when my boss fixes something I was working on and forgets to let me know
[14:03] <cmaloney> I think he worked on it last night, fixed it, and I just now figured out that he fixed it because I went to the original server to look at the config to see if I could reset to some sane baseline
[14:31] <brousch> Hm, so I hadn't really looked at Flask in 2 years. It now has skeletons as complicated as Django
[14:36] <mrgoodcat> thats the way these things go. django and rails didn't set out to become bloated messes, it just happened that way organically over time
[14:36] <mrgoodcat> eventually something will come along and topple flask as the minimalist python web framework
[14:36] <mrgoodcat> also good morning :)
[14:38] <cmaloney> Until someone wants to incorporate SQLAlchemy with flask++
[14:55] <brousch> there are smaller ones: bottle
[14:55] <brousch> flask-sqlalchemy has been around as long as flask
[14:56] <brousch> Actually Flask itself is not bloated, it's just that the "best practice" builds a project base from a bunch of small external projects to end up like django
[15:07] <greg-g> cmaloney: "This posting has been deleted by its author."
[15:08] <DrDaemonEye> morning everyone
[15:11] <cmaloney> greg-g: Drat. likely taken
[15:12] <cmaloney> could've been your very own non-working Atari 800
[15:12] <greg-g> hah
[15:35] <jrwren> brousch: flask blueprints?
[15:36] <jrwren> mrgoodcat: you really think django is a bloated mess?
[15:36] <jrwren> brousch: that isn't a best practice, that is someone else's practice that they claim is best. Claims are a lie.
[15:42] <mrgoodcat> i don't particularly think django is a bloated mess, but some people do
[15:42] <mrgoodcat> and it is certainly trending that way
[15:47] <jrwren> I've never thought it bloated, but I did htink it was messy back in the 1.4 days
[15:47] <jrwren> but they've cleaned up so much, I think it is very nice now.
[15:51] <mrgoodcat> the code is nice, but its just big
[15:51] <mrgoodcat> it tries to be everything to everybody
[15:51] <mrgoodcat> its nice to use
[15:51] <mrgoodcat> but so is rails
[15:51] <mrgoodcat> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[15:53] <cmaloney> _/(..)\_
[15:54] <mrgoodcat> pushups?
[15:58] <jrwren> I don't think it does try to be everything to everybody, but wtf do I know?