| === quaddex- is now known as quaddex | ||
| daftykins | anyone hot on an appropriate command for copying an existing /home to a new disk? :) | 00:53 |
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| daftykins | i don't know if anything special would be needed to preserve permissions or such like | 00:53 |
| Bashing-om | daftykins: We have a handy dandy : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Partitioning/Home/Moving . | 00:58 |
| daftykins | ooh nice! thanks | 00:58 |
| JanC | an alternative would be FSArchiver or such | 01:15 |
| JanC | e.g. if you can't copy directly for some reason | 01:16 |
| daftykins | how come that guy doesn't have the LVM partitions in his /dev/mapper in a live session :/ | 01:21 |
| daftykins | i have no clue with LVM :) | 01:21 |
| EriC^^ | daftykins: did he install the lvm stuff | 01:25 |
| Bashing-om | daftykins: I too looked ( njmbb8), and a bit confused as I only see 1 VG for swap . Like you I do not do LVM . - Yeah not much help here from me . | 01:25 |
| EriC^^ | nevermind | 01:26 |
| daftykins | EriC^^: not in the live session nah, do you need something to enable them? | 01:26 |
| daftykins | Bashing-om: cheers :> | 01:26 |
| EriC^^ | i dunno i vaguely remember something had to be installed for something | 01:26 |
| daftykins | mmm i always avoided it 'cause it seems to complicate life unnecessarily | 01:26 |
| EriC^^ | ( i know, not much help ) | 01:26 |
| daftykins | i'll just pinch the funky auto mount points from 'mount' output then try and cp the /home/username to the second disk i think | 01:26 |
| daftykins | then with any luck my fstab is golden and on reboot all will be well | 01:27 |
| daftykins | note to self don't tell everyone your nightmares | 01:58 |
| daftykins | ;D | 01:58 |
| EriC^^ | lol | 01:58 |
| Bashing-om | facing our fears, litle by little I get the more comforable with UEFI . Like systemd - it is coming may as well get perpared . Ready or not here it comes ! | 02:02 |
| daftykins | i don't really have a clue on init stuffs, i barely converted to 'sudo service x start/stop/restart' after init scripts | 02:03 |
| daftykins | no idea how it is now | 02:03 |
| daftykins | i don't even know how to say which one is in use on a given machine :) | 02:03 |
| Bashing-om | Yeah, I liked inittab ! Just about the time I adjust to upstart, there is this new one in the works . | 02:04 |
| Bashing-om | daftykins: To determin the init system I use ' ps -p1 | grep systemd && echo systemd || echo upstart ' . | 02:06 |
| daftykins | hrmm | 02:07 |
| daftykins | i guess we can go by releases too? | 02:07 |
| daftykins | did 15.04 switch to systemd? i don't even pay much attention when it's not LTS :> | 02:08 |
| Bashing-om | daftykins: Most certainly 15.04 is systemd. And yaeh the breaks are applied real hard when I see 15.04 . systemd has it's fingers in may places . A lot to relearn . | 02:10 |
| wileee | oh my, hehj | 03:38 |
| ObrienDave | waves | 07:32 |
| lordievader | Good morning. | 08:00 |
| ObrienDave | o/ | 08:00 |
| lordievader | \o | 08:01 |
| cfhowlett | "Why did you so quickly Private Gump?!" "Because you Sudo told me to Sergeant." | 08:26 |
| cfhowlett | "Why did you disassemble that rifle so quickly Private Gump?!" "Because you Sudo told me to Sergeant." | 08:26 |
| EriC^^ | hey TJ- | 09:23 |
| EriC^^ | i'm restoring my arch install to a usb, i can't seem to make the efi fat32! | 09:24 |
| TJ- | how are you trying to do it? | 09:24 |
| EriC^^ | mkfs.fat -F 32 /dev/sdb1 still makes it fat16, and grub-install says can't find any efi | 09:24 |
| TJ- | how big is it? | 09:24 |
| EriC^^ | i created the partitions again, copied over the root filesystem, and changed /etc/fstab | 09:24 |
| EriC^^ | it's 300M | 09:24 |
| EriC^^ | 1 1049kB 316MB 315MB fat16 EFI boot | 09:25 |
| EriC^^ | sudo mkfs.fat -F32 /dev/sdb1 mkfs.fat 3.0.26 (2014-03-07) | 09:25 |
| EriC^^ | sudo parted still gives same output | 09:26 |
| TJ- | sudo parted /dev/sda print | 09:26 |
| TJ- | 1 1049kB 269MB 268MB fat16 EFI System boot | 09:26 |
| EriC^^ | http://paste.ubuntu.com/12019628/ | 09:27 |
| EriC^^ | this is blkid /dev/sdb1: SEC_TYPE="msdos" UUID="9906-2FF9" TYPE="vfat" | 09:27 |
| EriC^^ | it didn't used to have that SEC_TYPE="msdos" before | 09:27 |
| TJ- | Secondary Type | 09:29 |
| TJ- | EFI doesn't mind whether its FAT12,16, or 32 | 09:29 |
| EriC^^ | that's odd | 09:30 |
| EriC^^ | http://paste.ubuntu.com/12019653/ | 09:31 |
| EriC^^ | i had to give it the efi dir | 09:31 |
| EriC^^ | never had to do that before | 09:31 |
| EriC^^ | it's still odd it won't make it fat32 though | 09:32 |
| TJ- | That's correct. grub checks for the currently mounted device and if there isn't one, needs to be told | 09:35 |
| EriC^^ | it's mounted though | 09:35 |
| EriC^^ | and in fstab | 09:35 |
| EriC^^ | i just got this error too | 09:36 |
| EriC^^ | Generating grub configuration file ... | 09:36 |
| EriC^^ | /run/lvm/lvmetad.socket: connect failed: No such file or directory | 09:36 |
| EriC^^ | WARNING: Failed to connect to lvmetad. Falling back to internal scanning. done | 09:36 |
| EriC^^ | anyways TJ- i reinstalled windows and installed all the hp drivers i had | 09:37 |
| EriC^^ | it's still running really hot, i checked the services and there's a SYSTEM IDLE PROCESS which is supposed to run and it is running at 80-90% | 09:37 |
| EriC^^ | but it's still reaching 90-100 temps unless i put the amd and intel to minimum power and it still isn't very usable | 09:38 |
| EriC^^ | the last error report showed something about dllhost.exe not asking the cpu to rest or something, it hadn't appeared before | 09:38 |
| TJ- | This with Win10 again? | 09:41 |
| EriC^^ | yeah | 09:41 |
| EriC^^ | i reinstalled win8 and upgraded as ms says, so it'll be activated | 09:42 |
| EriC^^ | i'll brb, will try arch and maybe run an energy report in win10 again | 09:45 |
| TJ- | Obviously a Win10 issue then | 09:48 |
| EriC^^ | installing drivers can't help? | 09:51 |
| EriC^^ | i just noticed an odd behavior | 09:54 |
| EriC^^ | when i mount the arch install, my home dir has my ubuntu's user as the owner, when i chroot it changes to the arch owner | 09:55 |
| EriC^^ | even if i mount the install using another ubuntu user, it has the same ubuntu user until i chroot | 09:55 |
| EriC^^ | how's that work i wonder | 09:55 |
| TJ- | Because the owner/group are stored as the ID number... looked up from /etc/passwd, which will be different in the 2 installs | 09:57 |
| EriC^^ | ah ok | 09:57 |
| TJ- | The first user ID created usually is 1000, so depending on which system's root is in operation, you'll see different usernames if they are different in the respective /etc/passwd | 09:58 |
| EriC^^ | ah shows as fat32 after a reboot | 10:08 |
| EriC^^ | this is odd | 10:20 |
| EriC^^ | arch is all screwed up | 10:20 |
| EriC^^ | when i ran startx it said there's no keymap, i reinstalled the package and then when X started the touchpad didn't work | 10:21 |
| EriC^^ | i've restored the install before, the only difference is that i used a tar.gz this time to copy it | 10:22 |
| TJ- | Did it miss out the dot-files | 10:22 |
| EriC^^ | no the dot files are there, and also the symlinks and permissions are correct | 10:22 |
| EriC^^ | could it be cause i reinstalled the kernel from the chroot? | 10:26 |
| EriC^^ | i think last time i just copied the efi partition all together, this time i didn't and so i had to reinstall the kernel | 10:26 |
| EriC^^ | anyways TJ- so i shouldn't be driver hunting for win10 to work? | 10:30 |
| EriC^^ | maybe they'll fix it in an update or so? | 10:30 |
| TJ- | Best to open a support incident with the manufacturer... I suspect, as I said before, it needs chipset/ACPI drivers specific to the model | 10:33 |
| TJ- | I think I got up too early, my brain won't even compute 0x200 * 1KB aka 1024 | 10:35 |
| TJ- | !! that's not even the correct equation... sheesh. | 10:36 |
| ubot5 | TJ-: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) | 10:36 |
| TJ- | ubot5: you're doing better than me! | 10:36 |
| ubot5 | TJ-: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) | 10:36 |
| EriC^^ | hehe | 10:38 |
| EriC^^ | TJ-: how does grub.efi know which file to use | 10:41 |
| TJ- | grub.efi is simply core.img ... it loads the grub.cfg and other modules | 10:41 |
| EriC^^ | in ubuntu there's a grub.cfg in the same location as grubx64.efi | 10:41 |
| EriC^^ | it has this search.fs_uuid c65ac418-c145-4a7c-b965-1308aa595d24 root hd0,gpt5 | 10:42 |
| TJ- | internally it depends on what prefix= and root= | 10:42 |
| EriC^^ | set prefix=($root)'/boot/grub' configfile $prefix/grub.cfg | 10:42 |
| EriC^^ | so i guess grubx64.efi uses that to load the grub.cfg file? | 10:42 |
| EriC^^ | cause in arch there's only a single grubx64.efi | 10:42 |
| EriC^^ | i was wondering how does it know where the grub.cfg is | 10:42 |
| EriC^^ | is it hardcoded to search the same disk at /boot/grub/grub.cfg ? | 10:43 |
| TJ- | I mean internal to the core.img/grubx64.efi ... those pre-written values tell it where to find its own 'root' (/boot/grub/) which then will then allow it to "insmod normal" which can read the config and act on it via the "normal" internally executed command | 10:43 |
| EriC^^ | cause in arch by default the efi partition also contains /boot/grub/grub.cfg, the efi dir is only /boot not /boot/efi | 10:43 |
| TJ- | Part of what grub-install does is create and *link* the required grub modules and data into the core.img sufficient for it to be able to access its root file-system... this is why if /boot/grub is on LVM the grub lvm module is linked into core.img | 10:44 |
| TJ- | That isn't what the Arch docs I've seen say, about EFI anyhow, and I've used them alot in the past to get my head around EFI | 10:45 |
| EriC^^ | when i installed arch it said to use /boot instead of /boot/efi | 10:46 |
| EriC^^ | dunno | 10:47 |
| EriC^^ | it says /boot/efi in some places im looking now | 10:47 |
| TJ- | /boot/ contains the OS kernels, initrd.img, symbols, config, etc. /boot/efi/ should be the mountpoint for the EFI SP which when mounted then gives you /boot/efi/EFI/ ... if it were /boot/EFI/ that would imply mounting the ESP *over* /boot/, hiding the kernel images | 10:48 |
| EriC^^ | it says "/boot is also recommended for mounting the EFI System Partition on a UEFI/GPT system" | 10:49 |
| EriC^^ | but reading more it looks more relevant for EFISTUB | 10:49 |
| TJ- | Does it mean "under the /boot hierarchy" though, or actually "mount /dev/sda1 /boot" ? | 10:50 |
| TJ- | Look at that and it makes no sense whatsoever... whereas "mount /dev/sda1 /boot/efi/" makes perfect sense | 10:50 |
| EriC^^ | yeah i know, i think it means to use /boot as the efi partition and contain the kernels too | 10:51 |
| TJ- | Do not let me miss the end of this ebay auction in 8 minutes... don't let me get sidetracked!! | 10:51 |
| EriC^^ | but i think it's only for efistub or something | 10:51 |
| EriC^^ | " In case of EFISTUB, the kernels and initramfs files should be stored in the EFI System Partition. For sake of simplicity, you can also use the ESP as the /boot partition itself instead of a separate /boot partition" | 10:52 |
| EriC^^ | hehe | 10:52 |
| TJ- | If it means use /boot/ to mount the EFI SP and keep the kernels there too since otherwise that file-system is mostly wasted space ... that makes sens | 10:52 |
| TJ- | Oh, yes, that makes sense because using EFISTUB there's no GRUB | 10:53 |
| EriC^^ | ah i se | 10:53 |
| EriC^^ | *see | 10:53 |
| EriC^^ | the docs are kind of misleading, i remember it said somewhere in arch it's recommended to use /boot not like other distros that use /boot/efi | 10:53 |
| TJ- | The boot is then UEFI > EFI-stub > Linux or more simply UEFI > Linux | 10:53 |
| EriC^^ | or something like that, anyways ill probably fix that later | 10:54 |
| EriC^^ | arch booted, i copied the efi partition as is | 11:37 |
| EriC^^ | grub still complains that it can't find the efi dir though | 11:37 |
| EriC^^ | i guess it didn't work earlier cause i installed the kernel from the chroot, or something | 11:38 |
| EriC^^ | thanks for your help TJ- | 11:59 |
| OerHeks | lolz cfhowlett that guy is on mirc :-D | 15:05 |
| cfhowlett | so mirc, eol and backtrack? we have a winner ... | 15:06 |
| OerHeks | maybe running on an Apple device, with a Wii remote, top notch! | 15:09 |
| cfhowlett | l33t! | 15:10 |
| OerHeks | .. and wearing a tshirt with that FSF guy :-D | 15:10 |
| === EriC^^ is now known as heelflip | ||
| daftykins | oh dear did i miss a corker? | 16:07 |
| OerHeks | corker = .. ? | 16:31 |
| daftykins | shocking or surprising event | 16:32 |
| daftykins | so that guy on mIRC, out of date and asking about backtrack D: oh dear | 16:32 |
| OerHeks | yeah, the rest is fantasy | 16:32 |
| OerHeks | ... but likely true | 16:32 |
| === heelflip is now known as EriC^^ | ||
| === EriC^^ is now known as inwardheel | ||
| === inwardheel is now known as explosive | ||
| === Bashing-1m is now known as Bashing-om | ||
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