=== quaddex- is now known as quaddex [00:53] anyone hot on an appropriate command for copying an existing /home to a new disk? :) [00:53] i don't know if anything special would be needed to preserve permissions or such like [00:58] daftykins: We have a handy dandy : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Partitioning/Home/Moving . [00:58] ooh nice! thanks [01:15] an alternative would be FSArchiver or such [01:16] e.g. if you can't copy directly for some reason [01:21] how come that guy doesn't have the LVM partitions in his /dev/mapper in a live session :/ [01:21] i have no clue with LVM :) [01:25] daftykins: did he install the lvm stuff [01:25] daftykins: I too looked ( njmbb8), and a bit confused as I only see 1 VG for swap . Like you I do not do LVM . - Yeah not much help here from me . [01:26] nevermind [01:26] EriC^^: not in the live session nah, do you need something to enable them? [01:26] Bashing-om: cheers :> [01:26] i dunno i vaguely remember something had to be installed for something [01:26] mmm i always avoided it 'cause it seems to complicate life unnecessarily [01:26] ( i know, not much help ) [01:26] i'll just pinch the funky auto mount points from 'mount' output then try and cp the /home/username to the second disk i think [01:27] then with any luck my fstab is golden and on reboot all will be well [01:58] note to self don't tell everyone your nightmares [01:58] ;D [01:58] lol [02:02] facing our fears, litle by little I get the more comforable with UEFI . Like systemd - it is coming may as well get perpared . Ready or not here it comes ! [02:03] i don't really have a clue on init stuffs, i barely converted to 'sudo service x start/stop/restart' after init scripts [02:03] no idea how it is now [02:03] i don't even know how to say which one is in use on a given machine :) [02:04] Yeah, I liked inittab ! Just about the time I adjust to upstart, there is this new one in the works . [02:06] daftykins: To determin the init system I use ' ps -p1 | grep systemd && echo systemd || echo upstart ' . [02:07] hrmm [02:07] i guess we can go by releases too? [02:08] did 15.04 switch to systemd? i don't even pay much attention when it's not LTS :> [02:10] daftykins: Most certainly 15.04 is systemd. And yaeh the breaks are applied real hard when I see 15.04 . systemd has it's fingers in may places . A lot to relearn . [03:38] oh my, hehj [07:32] waves [08:00] Good morning. [08:00] o/ [08:01] \o [08:26] "Why did you so quickly Private Gump?!" "Because you Sudo told me to Sergeant." [08:26] "Why did you disassemble that rifle so quickly Private Gump?!" "Because you Sudo told me to Sergeant." [09:23] hey TJ- [09:24] i'm restoring my arch install to a usb, i can't seem to make the efi fat32! [09:24] how are you trying to do it? [09:24] mkfs.fat -F 32 /dev/sdb1 still makes it fat16, and grub-install says can't find any efi [09:24] how big is it? [09:24] i created the partitions again, copied over the root filesystem, and changed /etc/fstab [09:24] it's 300M [09:25] 1 1049kB 316MB 315MB fat16 EFI boot [09:25] sudo mkfs.fat -F32 /dev/sdb1 mkfs.fat 3.0.26 (2014-03-07) [09:26] sudo parted still gives same output [09:26] sudo parted /dev/sda print [09:26] 1 1049kB 269MB 268MB fat16 EFI System boot [09:27] http://paste.ubuntu.com/12019628/ [09:27] this is blkid /dev/sdb1: SEC_TYPE="msdos" UUID="9906-2FF9" TYPE="vfat" [09:27] it didn't used to have that SEC_TYPE="msdos" before [09:29] Secondary Type [09:29] EFI doesn't mind whether its FAT12,16, or 32 [09:30] that's odd [09:31] http://paste.ubuntu.com/12019653/ [09:31] i had to give it the efi dir [09:31] never had to do that before [09:32] it's still odd it won't make it fat32 though [09:35] That's correct. grub checks for the currently mounted device and if there isn't one, needs to be told [09:35] it's mounted though [09:35] and in fstab [09:36] i just got this error too [09:36] Generating grub configuration file ... [09:36] /run/lvm/lvmetad.socket: connect failed: No such file or directory [09:36] WARNING: Failed to connect to lvmetad. Falling back to internal scanning. done [09:37] anyways TJ- i reinstalled windows and installed all the hp drivers i had [09:37] it's still running really hot, i checked the services and there's a SYSTEM IDLE PROCESS which is supposed to run and it is running at 80-90% [09:38] but it's still reaching 90-100 temps unless i put the amd and intel to minimum power and it still isn't very usable [09:38] the last error report showed something about dllhost.exe not asking the cpu to rest or something, it hadn't appeared before [09:41] This with Win10 again? [09:41] yeah [09:42] i reinstalled win8 and upgraded as ms says, so it'll be activated [09:45] i'll brb, will try arch and maybe run an energy report in win10 again [09:48] Obviously a Win10 issue then [09:51] installing drivers can't help? [09:54] i just noticed an odd behavior [09:55] when i mount the arch install, my home dir has my ubuntu's user as the owner, when i chroot it changes to the arch owner [09:55] even if i mount the install using another ubuntu user, it has the same ubuntu user until i chroot [09:55] how's that work i wonder [09:57] Because the owner/group are stored as the ID number... looked up from /etc/passwd, which will be different in the 2 installs [09:57] ah ok [09:58] The first user ID created usually is 1000, so depending on which system's root is in operation, you'll see different usernames if they are different in the respective /etc/passwd [10:08] ah shows as fat32 after a reboot [10:20] this is odd [10:20] arch is all screwed up [10:21] when i ran startx it said there's no keymap, i reinstalled the package and then when X started the touchpad didn't work [10:22] i've restored the install before, the only difference is that i used a tar.gz this time to copy it [10:22] Did it miss out the dot-files [10:22] no the dot files are there, and also the symlinks and permissions are correct [10:26] could it be cause i reinstalled the kernel from the chroot? [10:26] i think last time i just copied the efi partition all together, this time i didn't and so i had to reinstall the kernel [10:30] anyways TJ- so i shouldn't be driver hunting for win10 to work? [10:30] maybe they'll fix it in an update or so? [10:33] Best to open a support incident with the manufacturer... I suspect, as I said before, it needs chipset/ACPI drivers specific to the model [10:35] I think I got up too early, my brain won't even compute 0x200 * 1KB aka 1024 [10:36] !! that's not even the correct equation... sheesh. [10:36] TJ-: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [10:36] ubot5: you're doing better than me! [10:36] TJ-: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [10:38] hehe [10:41] TJ-: how does grub.efi know which file to use [10:41] grub.efi is simply core.img ... it loads the grub.cfg and other modules [10:41] in ubuntu there's a grub.cfg in the same location as grubx64.efi [10:42] it has this search.fs_uuid c65ac418-c145-4a7c-b965-1308aa595d24 root hd0,gpt5 [10:42] internally it depends on what prefix= and root= [10:42] set prefix=($root)'/boot/grub' configfile $prefix/grub.cfg [10:42] so i guess grubx64.efi uses that to load the grub.cfg file? [10:42] cause in arch there's only a single grubx64.efi [10:42] i was wondering how does it know where the grub.cfg is [10:43] is it hardcoded to search the same disk at /boot/grub/grub.cfg ? [10:43] I mean internal to the core.img/grubx64.efi ... those pre-written values tell it where to find its own 'root' (/boot/grub/) which then will then allow it to "insmod normal" which can read the config and act on it via the "normal" internally executed command [10:43] cause in arch by default the efi partition also contains /boot/grub/grub.cfg, the efi dir is only /boot not /boot/efi [10:44] Part of what grub-install does is create and *link* the required grub modules and data into the core.img sufficient for it to be able to access its root file-system... this is why if /boot/grub is on LVM the grub lvm module is linked into core.img [10:45] That isn't what the Arch docs I've seen say, about EFI anyhow, and I've used them alot in the past to get my head around EFI [10:46] when i installed arch it said to use /boot instead of /boot/efi [10:47] dunno [10:47] it says /boot/efi in some places im looking now [10:48] /boot/ contains the OS kernels, initrd.img, symbols, config, etc. /boot/efi/ should be the mountpoint for the EFI SP which when mounted then gives you /boot/efi/EFI/ ... if it were /boot/EFI/ that would imply mounting the ESP *over* /boot/, hiding the kernel images [10:49] it says "/boot is also recommended for mounting the EFI System Partition on a UEFI/GPT system" [10:49] but reading more it looks more relevant for EFISTUB [10:50] Does it mean "under the /boot hierarchy" though, or actually "mount /dev/sda1 /boot" ? [10:50] Look at that and it makes no sense whatsoever... whereas "mount /dev/sda1 /boot/efi/" makes perfect sense [10:51] yeah i know, i think it means to use /boot as the efi partition and contain the kernels too [10:51] Do not let me miss the end of this ebay auction in 8 minutes... don't let me get sidetracked!! [10:51] but i think it's only for efistub or something [10:52] " In case of EFISTUB, the kernels and initramfs files should be stored in the EFI System Partition. For sake of simplicity, you can also use the ESP as the /boot partition itself instead of a separate /boot partition" [10:52] hehe [10:52] If it means use /boot/ to mount the EFI SP and keep the kernels there too since otherwise that file-system is mostly wasted space ... that makes sens [10:53] Oh, yes, that makes sense because using EFISTUB there's no GRUB [10:53] ah i se [10:53] *see [10:53] the docs are kind of misleading, i remember it said somewhere in arch it's recommended to use /boot not like other distros that use /boot/efi [10:53] The boot is then UEFI > EFI-stub > Linux or more simply UEFI > Linux [10:54] or something like that, anyways ill probably fix that later [11:37] arch booted, i copied the efi partition as is [11:37] grub still complains that it can't find the efi dir though [11:38] i guess it didn't work earlier cause i installed the kernel from the chroot, or something [11:59] thanks for your help TJ- [15:05] lolz cfhowlett that guy is on mirc :-D [15:06] so mirc, eol and backtrack? we have a winner ... [15:09] maybe running on an Apple device, with a Wii remote, top notch! [15:10] l33t! [15:10] .. and wearing a tshirt with that FSF guy :-D === EriC^^ is now known as heelflip [16:07] oh dear did i miss a corker? [16:31] corker = .. ? [16:32] shocking or surprising event [16:32] so that guy on mIRC, out of date and asking about backtrack D: oh dear [16:32] yeah, the rest is fantasy [16:32] ... but likely true === heelflip is now known as EriC^^ === EriC^^ is now known as inwardheel === inwardheel is now known as explosive === Bashing-1m is now known as Bashing-om