bluesabre | knome: I'd be fine for testing that | 00:11 |
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bluesabre | just finished watching a political debate | 00:11 |
bluesabre | nothing more to say about that | 00:11 |
bluesabre | ;) | 00:11 |
Unit193 | "I'm sorry" | 00:24 |
bluesabre | "So sorry" | 02:49 |
astraljava | Since when have politicians apologized for anything? | 05:37 |
Unit193 | Since it serves them? | 05:38 |
ochosi | g'day everyone | 07:08 |
flocculant | morning ochosi | 07:09 |
flocculant | nice to see the tracker in a new home | 07:10 |
ochosi | yup, gotta check it out :) | 07:10 |
flocculant | it looks ... the same :p | 07:10 |
ochosi | hehe | 07:10 |
ochosi | yeah, not surprised about that | 07:10 |
ochosi | knome, pleia2: nice work! | 07:11 |
ochosi | i'll let dpm know when he's around again | 07:11 |
flocculant | yup | 07:12 |
flocculant | and +1 to knome and pleia2 :) | 07:12 |
ochosi | :) | 07:12 |
ochosi | bluesabre: any reason to go from libreoffice-style-elementary to lo-style-elementary as a package name? (or did i misunderstand that there) | 07:22 |
knome | ochosi, please keep me in the loop :) | 07:52 |
ochosi | sure | 07:52 |
ochosi | so the wiki is postponed for now i presume? | 07:53 |
knome | yes | 07:53 |
knome | we don't even use the wiki too much, so.. | 07:53 |
ochosi | frankly, that's partly because is so unusably slow though | 07:58 |
ochosi | could imagine we'd use it more if it were more responsive and integrated | 07:58 |
flocculant | the wiki doesn't use a server - it's kept in a treacle mine | 08:00 |
ochosi | :> | 08:01 |
knome | ochosi, i don't know... i personally wouldn't have many uses for the wiki | 08:10 |
knome | i guess if you would, then it'd be lovely to hear what those use cases would be | 08:10 |
Unit193 | !info libreoffice-style-elementary wily | 08:32 |
ubottu | Package libreoffice-style-elementary does not exist in wily | 08:32 |
knome | flocculant, i was thinking (very preliminary) if a compact list of new uploads in, say, the xubuntu-staging PPA, would help figuring out what needs to be tested | 08:40 |
knome | flocculant, another thing could be new uploads in the archive of a predefined list of packages | 08:41 |
ochosi | that sounds useful | 08:46 |
knome | which one? | 08:46 |
ochosi | both actually, lists of uploads | 08:52 |
knome | the former one should be relatively easy to grab | 08:55 |
knome | the latter... | 08:55 |
knome | well, you can guess | 08:55 |
knome | ochosi, did you get a mail notification last night? | 08:56 |
ochosi | i did | 08:58 |
knome | ok, good | 08:58 |
ochosi | let me compare them quickly | 08:58 |
knome | that came from the new server too | 08:58 |
ochosi | oh right | 08:58 |
ochosi | that's nicer | 08:58 |
ochosi | +1 on the new format | 09:00 |
knome | good good | 09:00 |
* knome messes around with the tracker db | 09:13 | |
knome | don't worry if something seems to break, it'll likely get fixed in a minute | 09:13 |
ochosi | so the plan is still to integrate the tracker with the header of the website? | 09:15 |
knome | not as is | 09:15 |
ochosi | or is that also postponed | 09:16 |
knome | but in some way, sure | 09:16 |
ochosi | ok | 09:16 |
knome | it's postponed until i have the time and motivation for it | 09:16 |
ochosi | sure | 09:35 |
knome | i'm trying to make the tracker a bit more flexible for the w->w+1 migration already | 09:35 |
ochosi | sweet | 09:40 |
flocculant | knome: sounds like a good idea - especially if it's easy for testers to get at | 10:07 |
flocculant | and both | 10:07 |
knome | flocculant, i was thinking for another tab in the tracker | 10:08 |
flocculant | right | 10:08 |
knome | that is easy enough to access | 10:08 |
flocculant | yep for sure | 10:08 |
flocculant | I can see the second being more lengthy ... | 10:09 |
knome | yep | 10:09 |
knome | well, | 10:09 |
knome | the idea would be to sort that by date ideally | 10:09 |
knome | so you could get an idea of the newest uploads quickly | 10:09 |
knome | maybe grouped by week | 10:10 |
flocculant | but if package foo affects (as an example) mousepad - we really only need to mention mousepad I guess | 10:10 |
knome | per-day granularity is likely too much | 10:10 |
flocculant | yep | 10:10 |
knome | well, knowing whatever foo or sth might affect is harder to figure out again | 10:10 |
flocculant | would it not be a depends ? | 10:11 |
knome | basically we'd need to follow *all* of the dependencies if we wanted to track what can affect this or that | 10:11 |
knome | sure, but to figure that out mechanically... | 10:11 |
flocculant | yea - which I suspect is what | 10:11 |
flocculant | knome> the latter... | 10:11 |
flocculant | <knome> well, you can guess | 10:11 |
knome | depends can be multiple level deep | 10:12 |
flocculant | :) | 10:12 |
knome | that's "too much" to do really | 10:12 |
flocculant | right | 10:12 |
knome | and i don't know how many libraries we want to track | 10:12 |
flocculant | not hundreds .. | 10:12 |
knome | for example, a new gtk upload can definitely break our stuff | 10:12 |
knome | but that's not something we "need" to track | 10:12 |
knome | because something that is obviously broken is reported anyway | 10:13 |
flocculant | yea | 10:13 |
knome | we basically only want to notify people of changes WE did | 10:13 |
knome | so actually, just checking if there are changes in mousepad is much better than seeing if there are changes in its dependencies anyway | 10:13 |
knome | unless the dependency is a core xfce lib or sth, which we might want to track | 10:13 |
knome | (because changes in that are very relevant to us) | 10:14 |
flocculant | basically - if this tab is more than a page - people are going to soon start ignoring it | 10:14 |
knome | of course | 10:14 |
flocculant | not meaning 'us' | 10:14 |
knome | and that's why i said it should be ideally ordered by date | 10:14 |
knome | eg. it can be 3 pages long, but the most relevant information is at the top | 10:14 |
knome | so people can dig as deep as they have motivation | 10:15 |
knome | (not that i want to make it 3 pages long...) | 10:15 |
flocculant | :) | 10:15 |
knome | probably something like this https://sigma.unit193.net/~unit193/xfce412.html but even less scary looking... | 10:15 |
flocculant | yea | 10:15 |
knome | i'm wondering how easy it is to get the changelog entries for the packages | 10:16 |
flocculant | well | 10:16 |
knome | to potentially show them in the tracker | 10:16 |
flocculant | not when it's a ppa | 10:16 |
knome | i mean .deb changelogs | 10:16 |
flocculant | oh right | 10:16 |
knome | they are hand-crafted anyway, so it's not an information overload | 10:16 |
knome | or when it is, it's a major update | 10:16 |
knome | and then it should be... | 10:17 |
flocculant | what would make sense would be - mousepad gets listed and could be clicked (like you have expand on spec in tracker) so you can see changelog if you want to | 10:17 |
flocculant | testers probably would just want to know to look at mousepad | 10:17 |
knome | yes, something like that | 10:17 |
knome | well, i don't think it's a bad direction that testers know to look at changelogs | 10:18 |
knome | i just think currently it's "too hard" to get to them | 10:18 |
knome | so they don't do it | 10:18 |
knome | but if we told: | 10:18 |
knome | these are new uploads in the last week | 10:18 |
flocculant | no - totally agree - but at the moment what would be good would be a way to get simple info to them | 10:18 |
knome | there are the changes made in them, look specifically for bugs related to them | 10:18 |
flocculant | just so we can point them 'somewhere' | 10:18 |
knome | then i would think testers would be definitely more likely to do exactly that | 10:19 |
knome | it would be a great improvement over "i ran mousepad and typed qwerty" | 10:19 |
knome | because what's the use of testing/QA if new features aren't the focus | 10:20 |
knome | (ok ok, there are benefits for it, but you get my point...) | 10:20 |
flocculant | yep - that's not something I would be likely to disagree with ever :) | 10:20 |
knome | ok, bbl | 10:52 |
knome | hf everybody | 10:52 |
flocculant | tracker appears to have forgotten a whole bunch of stuff | 11:01 |
bluesabre | ochosi: did not change the package name... so what are you referring to? | 11:26 |
ochosi | oh | 11:37 |
ochosi | yeah, wasn't sure | 11:37 |
ochosi | might've misinterpreted "libreoffice-style to lo-style-elementary" from earlier | 11:37 |
ochosi | bluesabre: ^ | 11:37 |
bluesabre | yeah, the longer phrase makes more sense | 11:38 |
bluesabre | "added Provides: libreoffice-style to lo-style-elementary" | 11:38 |
ochosi | oh right | 11:39 |
ochosi | yeah, it was early and i hadn't had coffee yet ;) | 11:39 |
bluesabre | :D | 11:39 |
ochosi | also, i hope it's ok i assigned you a catfish bug/patch | 11:39 |
ochosi | also linked it to the tracker | 11:39 |
bluesabre | sure, haven't looked at my email yet | 11:39 |
bluesabre | or really at all for a few days | 11:39 |
ochosi | that's ok | 11:40 |
ochosi | whenever that menulibre release is out and catfish, we'll have several more DONE items on our tracker | 11:40 |
bluesabre | yup | 11:40 |
bluesabre | found a new menulibre bug today, going to fix that and should be able to release | 11:41 |
ochosi | sweet | 11:41 |
ochosi | i guess UI wise menulibre is fairly done now | 11:41 |
ochosi | wanna take a stab at catfish next? | 11:41 |
bluesabre | yeah, still some minor tweaks with 2.1, and yeah, catfish is next | 11:41 |
bluesabre | planning to have that done by next weekend | 11:41 |
bluesabre | today will hopefully be a productive day | 11:42 |
ochosi | nice, i'm around for a bit noow | 11:42 |
ochosi | if you want to tackle something together | 11:42 |
ochosi | could for instance try to prep a POC panel patch for xfpanel-switch | 11:43 |
bluesabre | yeah, if you want to take a look at that | 11:44 |
bluesabre | could also review Noskcaj's sgt-launcher https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/xubuntu-staging | 11:45 |
ochosi | yeah, i'll start with the panel | 11:50 |
ochosi | iirc there were some concerns Unit193 wanted to see addressed and i'm not sure of their status atm | 11:51 |
ochosi | so i'd rather wait for that to be resolved | 11:51 |
ochosi | would be helpful if these sorts of comments were actually noted in a MR review or something | 11:51 |
ochosi | on irc that just gets lost | 11:51 |
bluesabre | yeah | 11:52 |
flocculant | words | 11:59 |
flocculant | hi ochosi bluesabre | 11:59 |
bluesabre | hey flocculant | 12:00 |
flocculant | having a good day I trust | 12:01 |
ochosi | indeed | 12:02 |
ochosi | just really really hot here | 12:02 |
flocculant | it's warming up here ready for rain next week | 12:03 |
bluesabre | it's probably warm... but I've got my USB fan running to not find out | 12:04 |
ochosi | :> | 12:04 |
flocculant | ha ha | 12:04 |
ochosi | man, glade is really hard to get right only in a text editor | 12:09 |
bluesabre | yup | 12:19 |
bluesabre | easy solution, open text editor and replace XfceTitledDialog with GtkDialog, then open in glade | 12:19 |
bluesabre | ochosi: ^ | 12:19 |
ochosi | yeah i know | 12:20 |
ochosi | already done that | 12:20 |
ochosi | odd thing is my patch *should* in theory work | 12:20 |
ochosi | but it just displays an empty prefs dialog | 12:20 |
ochosi | in glade it opens fine with all the content | 12:20 |
bluesabre | nice | 12:21 |
ochosi | building cleanly again... | 12:21 |
ochosi | maybe that'll help | 12:22 |
ochosi | awesome, still the same | 12:22 |
ochosi | bluesabre: wanna take a peek at the patch in case i missed something obvious? | 12:23 |
bluesabre | sure | 12:23 |
ochosi | http://dpaste.com/0YGMDVS | 12:25 |
ochosi | bluesabre: it's a diff ^ | 12:25 |
bluesabre | well, the code looks sane enough | 12:27 |
ochosi | for some reason it complains that for panel-switch G_IS_OBJECT fails | 12:27 |
ochosi | (that's the signal connect) | 12:27 |
bluesabre | odd | 12:29 |
ochosi | yeah, i don't really get it | 12:30 |
ochosi | i presume it also doesnt work for you? | 12:30 |
bluesabre | building now | 12:37 |
ochosi | i'm wondering whether i have to install the panel for the dialog to show up correctly | 12:38 |
ochosi | cause i think just running it from the source dir might create problems because it finds no plugins, not even the internal ones | 12:38 |
bluesabre | yes, the panel is very picky about its installation dir | 12:40 |
ochosi | ok weird, now the prefs dialog shows up, but without my button | 12:40 |
ochosi | so i presume it's running the system version after all :/ | 12:40 |
ochosi | meh, so i guess i'll have to install on top of my current installation | 12:41 |
ochosi | oh how i like that... | 12:41 |
ochosi | hmpf, alright, that fails | 12:42 |
ochosi | so no idea why it shows up fine in glade but not in IL | 12:42 |
ochosi | RL | 12:42 |
bluesabre | what prefix did you use? | 12:43 |
bluesabre | welp, that's a broken panel | 12:44 |
ochosi | /usr | 12:44 |
* bluesabre doesn't like working with panel code | 12:45 | |
ochosi | yeah, it's not *that* much fun | 12:45 |
ochosi | reminds of the fun times i had with the intelligent hiding code | 12:45 |
bluesabre | fun? | 12:47 |
bluesabre | lies | 12:47 |
ochosi | well, "fun" | 12:47 |
ochosi | anyway, i guess you have no spontaneous idea why that's failing so badly? | 12:48 |
bluesabre | I can't seem to get it working correctly | 12:48 |
bluesabre | I guess drop a g_warning/g_print in there so we can see if it is using that code | 12:49 |
bluesabre | or however we debug the panel | 12:49 |
ochosi | oh hehe | 12:50 |
ochosi | found the problem | 12:50 |
ochosi | and fun | 12:50 |
ochosi | it's working as it should | 12:50 |
ochosi | even closes the panel prefs dialog | 12:50 |
bluesabre | screenshot? | 12:51 |
ochosi | one sec | 12:51 |
ochosi | http://i.imgur.com/kYcFBBm.png | 12:51 |
ochosi | i was considering to put some icon there | 12:51 |
ochosi | maybe the archive icon | 12:51 |
ochosi | but i'm not sure, "presets" isnt an easy one really | 12:52 |
ochosi | so this is just working, not sure this is the right place/form for the launcher | 12:52 |
bluesabre | yeah | 12:52 |
bluesabre | presets might also be the wrong term | 12:53 |
bluesabre | possibly Backup/Restore | 12:53 |
bluesabre | which then archive is correct | 12:53 |
ochosi | backup and restore sounds nice | 12:54 |
ochosi | let's go with that for now | 12:54 |
bluesabre | and somebody suggested moving that button to the dialog actions at the bottom, which might be a good place | 12:55 |
bluesabre | to the left of the close button? | 12:55 |
ochosi | hm, not sure tbh | 12:56 |
ochosi | i haven't seen any such buttons in the lower buttonbox | 12:57 |
ochosi | it's usually just apply, cancel, close, ok and such | 12:57 |
bluesabre | yeah | 12:57 |
ochosi | so personally i feel it's better kept where it is, at least more or less | 12:59 |
ochosi | but yeah, i admit i'm not sure | 13:00 |
bluesabre | just kind of an odd place to float | 13:06 |
bluesabre | :) | 13:06 |
ochosi | agreed | 13:06 |
bluesabre | one option is to make panel-switch pluggable, and give it its own tab | 13:07 |
ochosi | bluesabre: http://i.imgur.com/dXL2xDo.png | 13:09 |
ochosi | right | 13:09 |
ochosi | that'd probably be awesome | 13:09 |
ochosi | although... | 13:09 |
ochosi | the prefs dialog would die in fire when loading a config, because of the panel getting killed | 13:10 |
bluesabre | oh yeah | 13:10 |
ochosi | which is why i preemptively close it when launching panel switch atm | 13:10 |
ochosi | ;) | 13:10 |
bluesabre | we could improve the way we load it | 13:10 |
ochosi | this should only show up when xfpanel-switch is found in path now btw | 13:10 |
ochosi | yeah, but that's v1.0 | 13:10 |
ochosi | we're still working on something to ship in wily | 13:10 |
ochosi | i'd rather push in this more or less sane patch that can later be improved upon | 13:11 |
bluesabre | I think ultimately we're going to update xfconf via queries, so the panel would basically contract and expand while it runs | 13:11 |
ochosi | and that way ppl can test whether we want this upstream | 13:11 |
ochosi | yeah | 13:11 |
ochosi | sounds good too | 13:11 |
ochosi | but still, we don't have infinite time until the cycle ends, i just wanted something compact that we can easily ship as a patch on top of xfce4-panel | 13:12 |
ochosi | actually | 13:12 |
bluesabre | sounds good tome | 13:12 |
ochosi | it seems that xfpanel-switch doesn't work when spawned from the panel prefs.. | 13:13 |
* ochosi scratches head | 13:13 | |
ochosi | but maybe that's because i haven't installed it | 13:13 |
ochosi | xfce4-panel: no process found | 13:13 |
ochosi | xfce4-panel: There is already a running instance | 13:13 |
ochosi | oh, and we direly need ctrl+q and alt+c to close xfpanel-switch. that's sooo annoying :) | 13:13 |
bluesabre | you could also run the path you get instead of the command | 13:14 |
bluesabre | alt+c? | 13:14 |
bluesabre | thats a new one | 13:14 |
bluesabre | I find it annoying that those accelerators aren't done automatically by the toolkit | 13:15 |
ochosi | no, it's just the mnemonic close | 13:15 |
ochosi | yeah | 13:15 |
ochosi | ok, i have the patch read | 13:16 |
ochosi | y | 13:16 |
ochosi | shall i send it to you so you can add it to the package? | 13:17 |
bluesabre | no hurry, we don't even have panel-switch in wily yet | 13:19 |
ochosi | oh | 13:19 |
ochosi | well we could throw it in a PPA for testing? | 13:19 |
bluesabre | we can do that | 13:19 |
ochosi | k | 13:19 |
ochosi | sent | 13:19 |
ochosi | gotta clean the flat now | 13:19 |
bluesabre | k, seeya later ochosi | 13:21 |
ochosi | bluesabre: added another workitem for you for that ;) | 13:27 |
bluesabre | great | 13:27 |
bluesabre | makes it more likely for me to remember it in later today :D | 13:28 |
ochosi | indeed :) | 13:29 |
ochosi | flocculant: that would be something worth testing app-wise btw: xfpanel-switch | 13:34 |
ochosi | bluesabre: oh, do we not have that packaged anywhere yet..? | 13:35 |
ochosi | anyway, would be good if all of that could go into -staging | 13:35 |
bluesabre | yeah, will try to get that done today | 13:37 |
bluesabre | getting my list together now | 13:37 |
flocculant | bluesabre seems to be getting the h and l and letter order mixed up ... | 13:38 |
flocculant | ochosi: and yea for sure - had just read all ^^ and come to the same conclusion :) | 13:39 |
bluesabre | flocculant: hm? | 13:42 |
flocculant | bbl | 13:47 |
bluesabre | I think I'll go ahead and set us up with the gtk2 version just to be safe here, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-mate-meta/+bug/1473952 | 13:54 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 1473952 in xubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "Choose preferred pinentry method" [Undecided,New] | 13:54 |
bluesabre | Unit193: poke | 14:01 |
bluesabre | since I never seem to remember the difference... | 14:06 |
bluesabre | in the seed, we have | 14:06 |
bluesabre | * (libpam-gnome-keyring) | 14:06 |
bluesabre | * xdg-utils | 14:06 |
bluesabre | what's the difference with including the parentheses? | 14:06 |
bluesabre | micahg: ^ | 14:06 |
krytarik | bluesabre: Depends vs. recommends. | 14:07 |
bluesabre | everybody knows but me | 14:07 |
krytarik | lo | 14:07 |
bluesabre | thanks krytarik! | 14:07 |
krytarik | *lol | 14:07 |
krytarik | Sure. | 14:07 |
bluesabre | krytarik: do you have a core install handy? | 14:14 |
krytarik | Nope. | 14:15 |
bluesabre | alrighty | 14:15 |
* bluesabre grabs a core iso | 14:16 | |
knome | gmm, something broke in the tracker | 15:36 |
* knome investigates | 15:36 | |
knome | eh, malformed db disk image | 15:37 |
knome | maybe i should migrate to mysql.. | 15:37 |
knome | sigh | 15:39 |
bluesabre | :( | 15:41 |
knome | pleia2, once you get back... mind setting me up a mysql user and a database | 15:44 |
knome | there goes one of the "easy to move around" bits | 15:44 |
knome | but maybe it's better this way anyway | 15:45 |
knome | ok, i rebuilt the db | 15:50 |
bluesabre | minor inconvenience | 15:51 |
bluesabre | :) | 15:51 |
knome | not really | 15:52 |
knome | this isn't the first time this happens | 15:52 |
knome | though it's the first time it wasn't a trivial fix | 15:52 |
bluesabre | I haven't worked with sqlite dbs long enough to run into any issues like that | 16:03 |
knome | i'm sure it's something about transactions i'm doing | 16:03 |
knome | ...which are supposed to fight these kind of situations | 16:03 |
knome | D: | 16:16 |
knome | ahh, better | 16:17 |
pleia2 | knome: sure, what do you need it for? (so I can name accordingly) | 17:08 |
pleia2 | ah, replacing sqlite? | 17:09 |
knome | yeah... | 17:16 |
knome | one failure enough :( | 17:16 |
ochosi | evening all | 19:17 |
flocculant | hi ochosi | 19:20 |
ochosi | hey flocculant, how're things? | 19:20 |
flocculant | good here :) | 19:21 |
flocculant | you? | 19:21 |
flocculant | ochosi: which ppa is xfpanel switch going to end up in - the dev one? | 19:32 |
ochosi | doing fine, thanks for asking | 19:32 |
ochosi | i would have guessed staging | 19:33 |
ochosi | because we want to push it to wily | 19:33 |
ochosi | but it depends on bluesabre a bit | 19:33 |
ochosi | personally i think it's ok to ship it, since it's not a critical tool and it's actually hidden in the panel preferences | 19:33 |
flocculant | oh yea - makes sense I guess | 19:33 |
ochosi | but yeah, it could do with a bit more testing and all | 19:33 |
ochosi | so that way it would be ready for the LTs | 19:33 |
ochosi | which would be the ultimate goal, from my pov | 19:33 |
flocculant | well - I definitely don't have a standard panel - so I guess me testing it will be useful | 19:34 |
flocculant | yep - all things point to LTS :) | 19:34 |
ochosi | you can easily test it already | 19:37 |
ochosi | if you want to | 19:37 |
ochosi | the patch for the panel is only for further integration | 19:37 |
flocculant | happy to do that | 19:37 |
ochosi | bzr branch lp:xfpanel-switch | 19:38 |
ochosi | then ./configure && make && sudo make install | 19:39 |
ochosi | and you're set | 19:39 |
flocculant | ok | 19:39 |
ochosi | then basically save your config | 19:42 |
ochosi | with xfpanel-switch | 19:42 |
ochosi | and then e.g. delete one of your panels | 19:43 |
ochosi | then try to restore | 19:43 |
flocculant | oh - so it's not in the panel config yet :) | 19:46 |
flocculant | ... | 19:47 |
flocculant | and my random installs strike again lol | 19:47 |
flocculant | FileNotFoundError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/.config/xfce4/panel/launcher-2/14315379361.desktop' | 19:47 |
flocculant | and the Cancel/Save Config dialogue won't let me do anything | 19:48 |
flocculant | seems it did - but wouldn't close | 19:51 |
flocculant | applied a backup - lost the panel completely | 19:51 |
flocculant | had to restart it | 19:52 |
flocculant | that's too much thinking for a saturday night | 19:53 |
flocculant | by the way it did almost bring it all back - just missing this launcher it believes is not there | 19:59 |
flocculant | back tomorrow | 20:07 |
ochosi | bluesabre: ok, that seems to have gone sort of okayish :> (read flocculants test above) | 20:25 |
knome | huh | 20:35 |
knome | great, now all insert/update methods are converted to pdo/mysql | 20:47 |
Unit193 | knome: Also, that page is scary looking? | 20:49 |
knome | well, for a new contributor | 20:49 |
knome | me not so much, i'm very much at ease with tabular data anyway | 20:49 |
knome | (but not non-tabular data in html <table>s) | 20:50 |
ochosi | i like how the burndown is growing :> | 20:50 |
knome | yeah, it's supposed to go the other way... | 20:51 |
knome | and fast | 20:51 |
ochosi | really pumping it up lately | 20:51 |
knome | but i guess it proves this is useful to | 20:51 |
knome | *too | 20:51 |
knome | there have always been loads of things that aren't tracked | 20:51 |
knome | because tools suck | 20:51 |
ochosi | i think without the new tracker the incentive to add new workitems would've been quite low | 20:51 |
knome | that ^ | 20:51 |
ochosi | so this is definitely a good thing | 20:51 |
ochosi | there are still untracked items, i'm pretty sure about that | 20:52 |
knome | of course | 20:52 |
ochosi | but there are less than before | 20:52 |
knome | but not everything is sane to track | 20:52 |
ochosi | hopefully bluesabre will give us some releases soon, then the burndown will look more optimistic again | 20:52 |
knome | ;) | 20:52 |
knome | oh yeah, the bugs are tracked so that until they are "fix released" they are "inprogress" | 20:52 |
ochosi | btw, i just announced xfpanel-switch on our ML, feel free to socialmedia it (already did g+ myself) | 20:53 |
ochosi | yeah | 20:53 |
ochosi | several are "fix committed" already | 20:53 |
knome | yep | 20:53 |
knome | so just that you know that it is intentional | 20:53 |
knome | tweeted | 20:57 |
ochosi | ty | 20:57 |
ochosi | yeah | 20:57 |
knome | ochosi, the G+ community says the current LTS version is 14.04.2 | 20:57 |
knome | spot the error | 20:57 |
ochosi | it makes sense to wait until the fix is released | 20:57 |
ochosi | aha, hadn't noticed | 20:57 |
knome | (imo, 14.04 would be enough, but whatever) | 20:57 |
ochosi | humm, where does it say that? | 20:58 |
knome | https://plus.google.com/communities/108369189560969273265 | 20:58 |
knome | right top boxee | 20:58 |
knome | about this community | 20:58 |
ochosi | sorry, still don't see it, at least not in the g+ community admin interface | 20:59 |
knome | really? | 20:59 |
knome | you need a screenshot? | 20:59 |
knome | the block starts with: Xubuntu is an elegant and easy-to-use operating system. Xubuntu comes with Xfce, which is a stable, light and configurable desktop environment. | 20:59 |
knome | the blahblah-<p> | 21:00 |
knome | then the versions | 21:00 |
ochosi | i see that part, not the versions | 21:00 |
knome | weird... | 21:00 |
knome | but there it is, right after that and the other paragraph | 21:00 |
ochosi | http://i.imgur.com/Z7thLBt.png | 21:01 |
knome | that doesn't seem to be it | 21:01 |
ochosi | hmm | 21:02 |
knome | http://www.awesomescreenshot.com/00d54x2med | 21:02 |
knome | that's an ugly view btw, google is really trying hard to make me join g+ | 21:02 |
knome | all those bars at the top | 21:03 |
ochosi | oh right | 21:04 |
ochosi | that's not the same, indeed | 21:04 |
ochosi | i have no admin rights on the community page | 21:05 |
ochosi | only on our "official" xubuntu page | 21:05 |
knome | i don't even know where the section you are seeing comes from | 21:05 |
knome | aha | 21:05 |
ochosi | pleia2 might know who admins the community page | 21:05 |
knome | i might too | 21:05 |
knome | if i dig the wiki hard enough | 21:05 |
knome | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Contact/WebAdmins | 21:05 |
knome | so, i think pleia2 knows VERY WELL who admins it | 21:06 |
knome | maybe a bit too well.. | 21:06 |
ochosi | right, but that might still only be our g+ acccount, not the community | 21:13 |
knome | aha | 21:13 |
knome | then figure it out, you g+ geeks | 21:13 |
ochosi | :] | 21:14 |
ochosi | i'll wait for pleia2's feedback | 21:14 |
knome | wuss | 21:20 |
knome | :P | 21:20 |
ali1234 | there's also "pages" on G+ | 21:23 |
pleia2 | g+ communities have owners? :) | 21:25 |
pleia2 | I'll see if I can figure it out, I might know but forgot | 21:25 |
knome | dunno, who maintains the about block? | 21:25 |
pleia2 | ali1234: we maintain the page, not the community | 21:26 |
knome | maybe that should be specified in the wiki | 21:26 |
ali1234 | communities certainly have creators yes | 21:26 |
pleia2 | oh neat, I am a moderator on the community | 21:26 |
pleia2 | this is why you all made me marketing lead, because I know how to social media | 21:27 |
knome | yes yes | 21:27 |
knome | and you're the cutest | 21:27 |
pleia2 | :P | 21:27 |
knome | well, traditionally marketing is much more than social media, so... | 21:27 |
pleia2 | I'm just a moderator, so I can't update settings | 21:38 |
knome | heh | 21:39 |
ochosi | heh, great :) | 21:40 |
pleia2 | nevermind, I found it | 21:51 |
knome | :) | 21:52 |
pleia2 | worst interface | 21:52 |
* pleia2 updates to 14.04.3 | 21:52 | |
knome | our sherlock | 21:52 |
knome | <3 | 21:52 |
ochosi | nice work pleia2 :) | 21:56 |
pleia2 | I do need to remember/figure out who my co-owner is though here | 21:58 |
pleia2 | someone has been updating things, re: 15.04 | 21:58 |
knome | mentioned in the wiki? | 21:58 |
pleia2 | that's the page, not the community | 21:59 |
pleia2 | so I should add it to the wiki, for one | 21:59 |
* pleia2 does that | 22:00 | |
pleia2 | Internal Server Error | 22:00 |
pleia2 | NEVERMIND | 22:00 |
pleia2 | you're dead to me, wiki | 22:00 |
ochosi | haha | 22:00 |
pleia2 | ok, there it goes | 22:00 |
ochosi | knome thinks we don't need a responsive wiki | 22:00 |
ochosi | ;) | 22:00 |
knome | well, this information could potentially be in the website | 22:01 |
knome | we do not have a lot of data in the wiki | 22:01 |
knome | except some boring meeting logs | 22:01 |
ochosi | yeah, even the meeting times could be there | 22:01 |
knome | the meeting times could be just in the tracker/dev site | 22:01 |
ochosi | i wouldn't mind migrating the leaders and webadmin info to the website tbh | 22:02 |
knome | yep | 22:02 |
ochosi | would also make it feel a bit more official than just the ubuntu wiki page | 22:02 |
pleia2 | ok, wiki updated | 22:02 |
ochosi | thanks pleia2 | 22:02 |
pleia2 | "In the lower left corner of your community’s profile information, find the “Members” section > click See all." | 22:04 |
pleia2 | there are 2000+ members | 22:04 |
pleia2 | google why do you hate me | 22:04 |
knome | :D :D | 22:04 |
pleia2 | it shows "Moderator" next to my name, so I'm hoping for the same from owner | 22:05 |
knome | maybe. | 22:05 |
pleia2 | once 2000+ member pictures load | 22:05 |
knome | just maybe | 22:06 |
knome | pictures are great! | 22:06 |
pleia2 | winner! https://plus.google.com/111763375350071107978/posts | 22:06 |
pleia2 | thanks Bill | 22:06 |
* pleia2 edits wiki again | 22:06 | |
* pleia2 tries to write html in the wiki | 22:08 | |
knome | hahah. | 22:08 |
knome | that's the best | 22:08 |
knome | writing with the wrong syntax | 22:08 |
pleia2 | I am tired :) | 22:08 |
knome | it's ok, i'm tired as well | 22:08 |
knome | i hate migrating code | 22:09 |
pleia2 | I love conferences in foreign lands, but rest would be nice | 22:09 |
knome | mhm | 22:09 |
pleia2 | https://www.linkedin.com/grp/home?gid=4058113 | 22:09 |
pleia2 | our linkedin grou | 22:09 |
pleia2 | p | 22:10 |
pleia2 | not so much a think anymore maybe | 22:10 |
knome | hah | 22:10 |
knome | "great" | 22:10 |
knome | whatever happened.. | 22:10 |
pleia2 | why did I even start doing this? D: | 22:10 |
knome | :D | 22:10 |
pleia2 | rabbit hole of fixing social media things with terrible interfaces | 22:10 |
pleia2 | yeah, the group is gone from my profile too | 22:11 |
knome | re: linkedin, maybe it lost its shine when it became "xubuntu users", eg. not potentially being mistaken for "xubuntu developers" | 22:11 |
knome | people do the weirdest thing to get credit for things they didn't do | 22:11 |
pleia2 | Sorry, no results containing all your search terms were found. | 22:11 |
pleia2 | xubuntu | 22:11 |
knome | well, tbh, i'm not sad... | 22:11 |
pleia2 | nor am I | 22:11 |
knome | the linkedin group had no benefits to us or our users | 22:11 |
pleia2 | mostly linkedin groups just spam me | 22:11 |
pleia2 | moar wiki edit | 22:12 |
pleia2 | and linked to our fb owner's fb page | 22:15 |
knome | :) | 22:15 |
pleia2 | should probably go back and link all the lp profiles for our members, but that doesn't just exist in my head so we're safe for now | 22:15 |
knome | lol | 22:15 |
pleia2 | we know who everyone else is pretty much, either via -dev mailing list or team | 22:15 |
knome | yep | 22:15 |
knome | yummy :D | 22:22 |
knome | i broke the tracker again | 22:22 |
Unit193 | :D | 22:23 |
knome | ok, now for some data migration... sigh | 22:27 |
Unit193 | Esh, not as fun there. | 22:27 |
knome | nope, none of this is fun | 22:27 |
knome | but the db being in mysql is actually funnier than being in sqlite | 22:27 |
knome | in many ways... | 22:28 |
Unit193 | So, one thing I can think of is that one may not know what's changed since last looking, which could mean the person needs to skim over everything. | 22:28 |
knome | right, i'm looking to create some kind of "changelog" | 22:28 |
knome | eg. mark items in a list when they get marked "DONE" | 22:28 |
knome | per date, of course | 22:28 |
knome | but i'm not sure if that helps | 22:29 |
knome | i guess you don't really need to know what has changed | 22:29 |
knome | http://tracker.xubuntu.org/#tab-details/unit193+teams | 22:29 |
knome | this is important for you | 22:29 |
knome | you really know your own work items | 22:29 |
knome | so... yeah | 22:30 |
knome | people shouldn't add new things to you without asking anyway | 22:30 |
knome | and for the team items... well, i guess it would be nice to see "new items free to be taken" but meh | 22:30 |
knome | since it's all really just one big blob of text, it's not the nicest thing to produce | 22:30 |
Unit193 | (Well, considering I don't use it for tracking, technically others are more likely to change mine, yeah.) | 22:31 |
knome | why don't you use it for tracking? / what do you use for tracking? | 22:32 |
knome | hooray! database migration done! | 23:02 |
Unit193 | Everything broken? | 23:04 |
knome | no, that means nothing's broken | 23:04 |
knome | but everything was likely broken at least once | 23:04 |
Unit193 | :D | 23:04 |
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