[00:11] <bluesabre> knome: I'd be fine for testing that
[00:11] <bluesabre> just finished watching a political debate
[00:11] <bluesabre> nothing more to say about that
[00:11] <bluesabre> ;)
[00:24] <Unit193> "I'm sorry"
[02:49] <bluesabre> "So sorry"
[05:37] <astraljava> Since when have politicians apologized for anything?
[05:38] <Unit193> Since it serves them?
[07:08] <ochosi> g'day everyone
[07:09] <flocculant> morning ochosi 
[07:10] <flocculant> nice to see the tracker in a new home 
[07:10] <ochosi> yup, gotta check it out :)
[07:10] <flocculant> it looks ... the same :p
[07:10] <ochosi> hehe
[07:10] <ochosi> yeah, not surprised about that
[07:11] <ochosi> knome, pleia2: nice work!
[07:11] <ochosi> i'll let dpm know when he's around again
[07:12] <flocculant> yup
[07:12] <flocculant> and +1 to knome and pleia2 :)
[07:12] <ochosi> :)
[07:22] <ochosi> bluesabre: any reason to go from libreoffice-style-elementary to lo-style-elementary as a package name? (or did i misunderstand that there)
[07:52] <knome> ochosi, please keep me in the loop :)
[07:52] <ochosi> sure
[07:53] <ochosi> so the wiki is postponed for now i presume?
[07:53] <knome> yes
[07:53] <knome> we don't even use the wiki too much, so..
[07:58] <ochosi> frankly, that's partly because is so unusably slow though
[07:58] <ochosi> could imagine we'd use it more if it were more responsive and integrated
[08:00] <flocculant> the wiki doesn't use a server - it's kept in a treacle mine
[08:01] <ochosi> :>
[08:10] <knome> ochosi, i don't know... i personally wouldn't have many uses for the wiki
[08:10] <knome> i guess if you would, then it'd be lovely to hear what those use cases would be
[08:32] <Unit193> !info libreoffice-style-elementary wily
[08:40] <knome> flocculant, i was thinking (very preliminary) if a compact list of new uploads in, say, the xubuntu-staging PPA, would help figuring out what needs to be tested
[08:41] <knome> flocculant, another thing could be new uploads in the archive of a predefined list of packages
[08:46] <ochosi> that sounds useful
[08:46] <knome> which one?
[08:52] <ochosi> both actually, lists of uploads
[08:55] <knome> the former one should be relatively easy to grab
[08:55] <knome> the latter...
[08:55] <knome> well, you can guess
[08:56] <knome> ochosi, did you get a mail notification last night?
[08:58] <ochosi> i did
[08:58] <knome> ok, good
[08:58] <ochosi> let me compare them quickly
[08:58] <knome> that came from the new server too
[08:58] <ochosi> oh right
[08:58] <ochosi> that's nicer
[09:00] <ochosi> +1 on the new format
[09:00] <knome> good good
[09:13]  * knome messes around with the tracker db
[09:13] <knome> don't worry if something seems to break, it'll likely get fixed in a minute
[09:15] <ochosi> so the plan is still to integrate the tracker with the header of the website?
[09:15] <knome> not as is
[09:16] <ochosi> or is that also postponed
[09:16] <knome> but in some way, sure
[09:16] <ochosi> ok
[09:16] <knome> it's postponed until i have the time and motivation for it
[09:35] <ochosi> sure
[09:35] <knome> i'm trying to make the tracker a bit more flexible for the w->w+1 migration already
[09:40] <ochosi> sweet
[10:07] <flocculant> knome: sounds like a good idea - especially if it's easy for testers to get at 
[10:07] <flocculant> and both 
[10:08] <knome> flocculant, i was thinking for another tab in the tracker
[10:08] <flocculant> right
[10:08] <knome> that is easy enough to access
[10:08] <flocculant> yep for sure
[10:09] <flocculant> I can see the second being more lengthy ... 
[10:09] <knome> yep
[10:09] <knome> well,
[10:09] <knome> the idea would be to sort that by date ideally
[10:09] <knome> so you could get an idea of the newest uploads quickly
[10:10] <knome> maybe grouped by week
[10:10] <flocculant> but if package foo affects (as an example) mousepad - we really only need to mention mousepad I guess
[10:10] <knome> per-day granularity is likely too much
[10:10] <flocculant> yep
[10:10] <knome> well, knowing whatever foo or sth might affect is harder to figure out again
[10:11] <flocculant> would it not be a depends ?
[10:11] <knome> basically we'd need to follow *all* of the dependencies if we wanted to track what can affect this or that
[10:11] <knome> sure, but to figure that out mechanically...
[10:11] <flocculant> yea - which I suspect is what 
[10:11] <flocculant> knome> the latter...
 well, you can guess
[10:12] <knome> depends can be multiple level deep
[10:12] <flocculant> :)
[10:12] <knome> that's "too much" to do really
[10:12] <flocculant> right
[10:12] <knome> and i don't know how many libraries we want to track
[10:12] <flocculant> not hundreds .. 
[10:12] <knome> for example, a new gtk upload can definitely break our stuff
[10:12] <knome> but that's not something we "need" to track
[10:13] <knome> because something that is obviously broken is reported anyway
[10:13] <flocculant> yea
[10:13] <knome> we basically only want to notify people of changes WE did
[10:13] <knome> so actually, just checking if there are changes in mousepad is much better than seeing if there are changes in its dependencies anyway
[10:13] <knome> unless the dependency is a core xfce lib or sth, which we might want to track
[10:14] <knome> (because changes in that are very relevant to us)
[10:14] <flocculant> basically - if this tab is more than a page - people are going to soon start ignoring it
[10:14] <knome> of course
[10:14] <flocculant> not meaning 'us' 
[10:14] <knome> and that's why i said it should be ideally ordered by date
[10:14] <knome> eg. it can be 3 pages long, but the most relevant information is at the top
[10:15] <knome> so people can dig as deep as they have motivation
[10:15] <knome> (not that i want to make it 3 pages long...)
[10:15] <flocculant> :)
[10:15] <knome> probably something like this https://sigma.unit193.net/~unit193/xfce412.html but even less scary looking...
[10:15] <flocculant> yea
[10:16] <knome> i'm wondering how easy it is to get the changelog entries for the packages
[10:16] <flocculant> well 
[10:16] <knome> to potentially show them in the tracker
[10:16] <flocculant> not when it's a ppa
[10:16] <knome> i mean .deb changelogs
[10:16] <flocculant> oh right
[10:16] <knome> they are hand-crafted anyway, so it's not an information overload
[10:16] <knome> or when it is, it's a major update
[10:17] <knome> and then it should be...
[10:17] <flocculant> what would make sense would be - mousepad gets listed and could be clicked (like you have expand on spec in tracker) so you can see changelog if you want to
[10:17] <flocculant> testers probably would just want to know to look at mousepad 
[10:17] <knome> yes, something like that
[10:18] <knome> well, i don't think it's a bad direction that testers know to look at changelogs
[10:18] <knome> i just think currently it's "too hard" to get to them
[10:18] <knome> so they don't do it
[10:18] <knome> but if we told:
[10:18] <knome> these are new uploads in the last week
[10:18] <flocculant> no - totally agree - but at the moment what would be good would be a way to get simple info to them
[10:18] <knome> there are the changes made in them, look specifically for bugs related to them
[10:18] <flocculant> just so we can point them 'somewhere' 
[10:19] <knome> then i would think testers would be definitely more likely to do exactly that
[10:19] <knome> it would be a great improvement over "i ran mousepad and typed qwerty"
[10:20] <knome> because what's the use of testing/QA if new features aren't the focus
[10:20] <knome> (ok ok, there are benefits for it, but you get my point...)
[10:20] <flocculant> yep - that's not something I would be likely to disagree with ever :)
[10:52] <knome> ok, bbl
[10:52] <knome> hf everybody
[11:01] <flocculant> tracker appears to have forgotten a whole bunch of stuff 
[11:26] <bluesabre> ochosi: did not change the package name... so what are you referring to?
[11:37] <ochosi> oh
[11:37] <ochosi> yeah, wasn't sure
[11:37] <ochosi> might've misinterpreted "libreoffice-style to lo-style-elementary" from earlier
[11:37] <ochosi> bluesabre: ^
[11:38] <bluesabre> yeah, the longer phrase makes more sense
[11:38] <bluesabre> "added Provides: libreoffice-style to lo-style-elementary"
[11:39] <ochosi> oh right
[11:39] <ochosi> yeah, it was early and i hadn't had coffee yet ;)
[11:39] <bluesabre> :D
[11:39] <ochosi> also, i hope it's ok i assigned you a catfish bug/patch
[11:39] <ochosi> also linked it to the tracker
[11:39] <bluesabre> sure, haven't looked at my email yet
[11:39] <bluesabre> or really at all for a few days
[11:40] <ochosi> that's ok
[11:40] <ochosi> whenever that menulibre release is out and catfish, we'll have several more DONE items on our tracker
[11:40] <bluesabre> yup
[11:41] <bluesabre> found a new menulibre bug today, going to fix that and should be able to release
[11:41] <ochosi> sweet
[11:41] <ochosi> i guess UI wise menulibre is fairly done now
[11:41] <ochosi> wanna take a stab at catfish next?
[11:41] <bluesabre> yeah, still some minor tweaks with 2.1, and yeah, catfish is next
[11:41] <bluesabre> planning to have that done by next weekend
[11:42] <bluesabre> today will hopefully be a productive day
[11:42] <ochosi> nice, i'm around for a bit noow
[11:42] <ochosi> if you want to tackle something together
[11:43] <ochosi> could for instance try to prep a POC panel patch for xfpanel-switch
[11:44] <bluesabre> yeah, if you want to take a look at that
[11:45] <bluesabre> could also review Noskcaj's sgt-launcher https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/xubuntu-staging
[11:50] <ochosi> yeah, i'll start with the panel
[11:51] <ochosi> iirc there were some concerns Unit193 wanted to see addressed and i'm not sure of their status atm
[11:51] <ochosi> so i'd rather wait for that to be resolved
[11:51] <ochosi> would be helpful if these sorts of comments were actually noted in a MR review or something
[11:51] <ochosi> on irc that just gets lost
[11:52] <bluesabre> yeah
[11:59] <flocculant> words 
[11:59] <flocculant> hi ochosi bluesabre 
[12:00] <bluesabre> hey flocculant 
[12:01] <flocculant> having a good day I trust
[12:02] <ochosi> indeed
[12:02] <ochosi> just really really hot here
[12:03] <flocculant> it's warming up here ready for rain next week 
[12:04] <bluesabre> it's probably warm... but I've got my USB fan running to not find out
[12:04] <ochosi> :>
[12:04] <flocculant> ha ha 
[12:09] <ochosi> man, glade is really hard to get right only in a text editor
[12:19] <bluesabre> yup
[12:19] <bluesabre> easy solution, open text editor and replace XfceTitledDialog with GtkDialog, then open in glade
[12:19] <bluesabre> ochosi: ^
[12:20] <ochosi> yeah i know
[12:20] <ochosi> already done that
[12:20] <ochosi> odd thing is my patch *should* in theory work
[12:20] <ochosi> but it just displays an empty prefs dialog
[12:20] <ochosi> in glade it opens fine with all the content
[12:21] <bluesabre> nice
[12:21] <ochosi> building cleanly again...
[12:22] <ochosi> maybe that'll help
[12:22] <ochosi> awesome, still the same
[12:23] <ochosi> bluesabre: wanna take a peek at the patch in case i missed something obvious?
[12:23] <bluesabre> sure
[12:25] <ochosi> http://dpaste.com/0YGMDVS
[12:25] <ochosi> bluesabre: it's a diff ^
[12:27] <bluesabre> well, the code looks sane enough
[12:27] <ochosi> for some reason it complains that for panel-switch G_IS_OBJECT fails
[12:27] <ochosi> (that's the signal connect)
[12:29] <bluesabre> odd
[12:30] <ochosi> yeah, i don't really get it
[12:30] <ochosi> i presume it also doesnt work for you?
[12:37] <bluesabre> building now
[12:38] <ochosi> i'm wondering whether i have to install the panel for the dialog to show up correctly
[12:38] <ochosi> cause i think just running it from the source dir might create problems because it finds no plugins, not even the internal ones
[12:40] <bluesabre> yes, the panel is very picky about its installation dir
[12:40] <ochosi> ok weird, now the prefs dialog shows up, but without my button
[12:40] <ochosi> so i presume it's running the system version after all :/
[12:41] <ochosi> meh, so i guess i'll have to install on top of my current installation
[12:41] <ochosi> oh how i like that...
[12:42] <ochosi> hmpf, alright, that fails
[12:42] <ochosi> so no idea why it shows up fine in glade but not in IL
[12:42] <ochosi> RL
[12:43] <bluesabre> what prefix did you use?
[12:44] <bluesabre> welp, that's a broken panel
[12:44] <ochosi>  /usr
[12:45]  * bluesabre doesn't like working with panel code
[12:45] <ochosi> yeah, it's not *that* much fun
[12:45] <ochosi> reminds of the fun times i had with the intelligent hiding code
[12:47] <bluesabre> fun?
[12:47] <bluesabre> lies
[12:47] <ochosi> well, "fun"
[12:48] <ochosi> anyway, i guess you have no spontaneous idea why that's failing so badly?
[12:48] <bluesabre> I can't seem to get it working correctly
[12:49] <bluesabre> I guess drop a g_warning/g_print in there so we can see if it is using that code
[12:49] <bluesabre> or however we debug the panel
[12:50] <ochosi> oh hehe
[12:50] <ochosi> found the problem
[12:50] <ochosi> and fun
[12:50] <ochosi> it's working as it should
[12:50] <ochosi> even closes the panel prefs dialog
[12:51] <bluesabre> screenshot?
[12:51] <ochosi> one sec
[12:51] <ochosi> http://i.imgur.com/kYcFBBm.png
[12:51] <ochosi> i was considering to put some icon there
[12:51] <ochosi> maybe the archive icon
[12:52] <ochosi> but i'm not sure, "presets" isnt an easy one really
[12:52] <ochosi> so this is just working, not sure this is the right place/form for the launcher
[12:52] <bluesabre> yeah
[12:53] <bluesabre> presets might also be the wrong term
[12:53] <bluesabre> possibly Backup/Restore
[12:53] <bluesabre> which then archive is correct
[12:54] <ochosi> backup and restore sounds nice
[12:54] <ochosi> let's go with that for now
[12:55] <bluesabre> and somebody suggested moving that button to the dialog actions at the bottom, which might be a good place
[12:55] <bluesabre> to the left of the close button?
[12:56] <ochosi> hm, not sure tbh
[12:57] <ochosi> i haven't seen any such buttons in the lower buttonbox
[12:57] <ochosi> it's usually just apply, cancel, close, ok and such
[12:57] <bluesabre> yeah
[12:59] <ochosi> so personally i feel it's better kept where it is, at least more or less
[13:00] <ochosi> but yeah, i admit i'm not sure
[13:06] <bluesabre> just kind of an odd place to float
[13:06] <bluesabre> :)
[13:06] <ochosi> agreed
[13:07] <bluesabre> one option is to make panel-switch pluggable, and give it its own tab
[13:09] <ochosi> bluesabre: http://i.imgur.com/dXL2xDo.png
[13:09] <ochosi> right
[13:09] <ochosi> that'd probably be awesome
[13:09] <ochosi> although...
[13:10] <ochosi> the prefs dialog would die in fire when loading a config, because of the panel getting killed
[13:10] <bluesabre> oh yeah
[13:10] <ochosi> which is why i preemptively close it when launching panel switch atm
[13:10] <ochosi> ;)
[13:10] <bluesabre> we could improve the way we load it
[13:10] <ochosi> this should only show up when xfpanel-switch is found in path now btw
[13:10] <ochosi> yeah, but that's v1.0
[13:10] <ochosi> we're still working on something to ship in wily
[13:11] <ochosi> i'd rather push in this more or less sane patch that can later be improved upon
[13:11] <bluesabre> I think ultimately we're going to update xfconf via queries, so the panel would basically contract and expand while it runs
[13:11] <ochosi> and that way ppl can test whether we want this upstream
[13:11] <ochosi> yeah
[13:11] <ochosi> sounds good too
[13:12] <ochosi> but still, we don't have infinite time until the cycle ends, i just wanted something compact that we can easily ship as a patch on top of xfce4-panel
[13:12] <ochosi> actually
[13:12] <bluesabre> sounds good tome
[13:13] <ochosi> it seems that xfpanel-switch doesn't work when spawned from the panel prefs..
[13:13]  * ochosi scratches head
[13:13] <ochosi> but maybe that's because i haven't installed it
[13:13] <ochosi> xfce4-panel: no process found
[13:13] <ochosi> xfce4-panel: There is already a running instance
[13:13] <ochosi> oh, and we direly need ctrl+q and alt+c to close xfpanel-switch. that's sooo annoying :)
[13:14] <bluesabre> you could also run the path you get instead of the command
[13:14] <bluesabre> alt+c?
[13:14] <bluesabre> thats a new one
[13:15] <bluesabre> I find it annoying that those accelerators aren't done automatically by the toolkit
[13:15] <ochosi> no, it's just the mnemonic close
[13:15] <ochosi> yeah
[13:16] <ochosi> ok, i have the patch read
[13:16] <ochosi> y
[13:17] <ochosi> shall i send it to you so you can add it to the package?
[13:19] <bluesabre> no hurry, we don't even have panel-switch in wily yet
[13:19] <ochosi> oh
[13:19] <ochosi> well we could throw it in a PPA for testing?
[13:19] <bluesabre> we can do that
[13:19] <ochosi> k
[13:19] <ochosi> sent
[13:19] <ochosi> gotta clean the flat now
[13:21] <bluesabre> k, seeya later ochosi
[13:27] <ochosi> bluesabre: added another workitem for you for that ;)
[13:27] <bluesabre> great
[13:28] <bluesabre> makes it more likely for me to remember it in later today :D
[13:29] <ochosi> indeed :)
[13:34] <ochosi> flocculant: that would be something worth testing app-wise btw: xfpanel-switch
[13:35] <ochosi> bluesabre: oh, do we not have that packaged anywhere yet..?
[13:35] <ochosi> anyway, would be good if all of that could go into -staging
[13:37] <bluesabre> yeah, will try to get that done today
[13:37] <bluesabre> getting my list together now
[13:38] <flocculant> bluesabre seems to be getting the h and l and letter order mixed up ... 
[13:39] <flocculant> ochosi: and yea for sure - had just read all ^^ and come to the same conclusion :)
[13:42] <bluesabre> flocculant: hm?
[13:47] <flocculant> bbl 
[13:54] <bluesabre> I think I'll go ahead and set us up with the gtk2 version just to be safe here, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-mate-meta/+bug/1473952
[14:01] <bluesabre> Unit193: poke
[14:06] <bluesabre> since I never seem to remember the difference...
[14:06] <bluesabre> in the seed, we have
[14:06] <bluesabre>  * (libpam-gnome-keyring)
[14:06] <bluesabre>  * xdg-utils
[14:06] <bluesabre> what's the difference with including the parentheses?
[14:06] <bluesabre> micahg: ^
[14:07] <krytarik> bluesabre: Depends vs. recommends.
[14:07] <bluesabre> everybody knows but me
[14:07] <krytarik> lo
[14:07] <bluesabre> thanks krytarik!
[14:07] <krytarik> *lol
[14:07] <krytarik> Sure.
[14:14] <bluesabre> krytarik: do you have a core install handy?
[14:15] <krytarik> Nope.
[14:15] <bluesabre> alrighty
[14:16]  * bluesabre grabs a core iso
[15:36] <knome> gmm, something broke in the tracker
[15:36]  * knome investigates
[15:37] <knome> eh, malformed db disk image
[15:37] <knome> maybe i should migrate to mysql..
[15:39] <knome> sigh
[15:41] <bluesabre> :(
[15:44] <knome> pleia2, once you get back... mind setting me up a mysql user and a database
[15:44] <knome> there goes one of the "easy to move around" bits
[15:45] <knome> but maybe it's better this way anyway
[15:50] <knome> ok, i rebuilt the db
[15:51] <bluesabre> minor inconvenience
[15:51] <bluesabre> :)
[15:52] <knome> not really
[15:52] <knome> this isn't the first time this happens
[15:52] <knome> though it's the first time it wasn't a trivial fix
[16:03] <bluesabre> I haven't worked with sqlite dbs long enough to run into any issues like that
[16:03] <knome> i'm sure it's something about transactions i'm doing
[16:03] <knome> ...which are supposed to fight these kind of situations
[16:16] <knome> D:
[16:17] <knome> ahh, better
[17:08] <pleia2> knome: sure, what do you need it for? (so I can name accordingly)
[17:09] <pleia2> ah, replacing sqlite?
[17:16] <knome> yeah...
[17:16] <knome> one failure enough :(
[19:17] <ochosi> evening all
[19:20] <flocculant> hi ochosi 
[19:20] <ochosi> hey flocculant, how're things?
[19:21] <flocculant> good here :)
[19:21] <flocculant> you?
[19:32] <flocculant> ochosi: which ppa is xfpanel switch going to end up in - the dev one? 
[19:32] <ochosi> doing fine, thanks for asking
[19:33] <ochosi> i would have guessed staging
[19:33] <ochosi> because we want to push it to wily
[19:33] <ochosi> but it depends on bluesabre a bit
[19:33] <ochosi> personally i think it's ok to ship it, since it's not a critical tool and it's actually hidden in the panel preferences
[19:33] <flocculant> oh yea - makes sense I guess
[19:33] <ochosi> but yeah, it could do with a bit more testing and all
[19:33] <ochosi> so that way it would be ready for the LTs
[19:33] <ochosi> which would be the ultimate goal, from my pov
[19:34] <flocculant> well - I definitely don't have a standard panel - so I guess me testing it will be useful
[19:34] <flocculant> yep - all things point to LTS :)
[19:37] <ochosi> you can easily test it already
[19:37] <ochosi> if you want to
[19:37] <ochosi> the patch for the panel is only for further integration
[19:37] <flocculant> happy to do that
[19:38] <ochosi> bzr branch lp:xfpanel-switch 
[19:39] <ochosi> then ./configure && make && sudo make install
[19:39] <ochosi> and you're set
[19:39] <flocculant> ok
[19:42] <ochosi> then basically save your config
[19:42] <ochosi> with xfpanel-switch
[19:43] <ochosi> and then e.g. delete one of your panels
[19:43] <ochosi> then try to restore
[19:46] <flocculant> oh - so it's not in the panel config yet :)
[19:47] <flocculant> ... 
[19:47] <flocculant> and my random installs strike again lol 
[19:47] <flocculant> FileNotFoundError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/.config/xfce4/panel/launcher-2/14315379361.desktop'
[19:48] <flocculant> and the Cancel/Save Config dialogue won't let me do anything 
[19:51] <flocculant> seems it did - but wouldn't close
[19:51] <flocculant> applied a backup - lost the panel completely 
[19:52] <flocculant> had to restart it
[19:53] <flocculant> that's too much thinking for a saturday night
[19:59] <flocculant> by the way it did almost bring it all back - just missing this launcher it believes is not there 
[20:07] <flocculant> back tomorrow 
[20:25] <ochosi> bluesabre: ok, that seems to have gone sort of okayish :> (read flocculants test above)
[20:35] <knome> huh
[20:47] <knome> great, now all insert/update methods are converted to pdo/mysql
[20:49] <Unit193> knome: Also, that page is scary looking?
[20:49] <knome> well, for a new contributor
[20:49] <knome> me not so much, i'm very much at ease with tabular data anyway
[20:50] <knome> (but not non-tabular data in html <table>s)
[20:50] <ochosi> i like how the burndown is growing :>
[20:51] <knome> yeah, it's supposed to go the other way...
[20:51] <knome> and fast
[20:51] <ochosi> really pumping it up lately
[20:51] <knome> but i guess it proves this is useful to
[20:51] <knome> *too
[20:51] <knome> there have always been loads of things that aren't tracked
[20:51] <knome> because tools suck
[20:51] <ochosi> i think without the new tracker the incentive to add new workitems would've been quite low
[20:51] <knome> that ^
[20:51] <ochosi> so this is definitely a good thing
[20:52] <ochosi> there are still untracked items, i'm pretty sure about that
[20:52] <knome> of course
[20:52] <ochosi> but there are less than before
[20:52] <knome> but not everything is sane to track
[20:52] <ochosi> hopefully bluesabre will give us some releases soon, then the burndown will look more optimistic again
[20:52] <knome> ;)
[20:52] <knome> oh yeah, the bugs are tracked so that until they are "fix released" they are "inprogress"
[20:53] <ochosi> btw, i just announced xfpanel-switch on our ML, feel free to socialmedia it (already did g+ myself)
[20:53] <ochosi> yeah
[20:53] <ochosi> several are "fix committed" already
[20:53] <knome> yep
[20:53] <knome> so just that you know that it is intentional
[20:57] <knome> tweeted
[20:57] <ochosi> ty
[20:57] <ochosi> yeah
[20:57] <knome> ochosi, the G+ community says the current LTS version is 14.04.2
[20:57] <knome> spot the error
[20:57] <ochosi> it makes sense to wait until the fix is released
[20:57] <ochosi> aha, hadn't noticed
[20:57] <knome> (imo, 14.04 would be enough, but whatever)
[20:58] <ochosi> humm, where does it say that?
[20:58] <knome> https://plus.google.com/communities/108369189560969273265
[20:58] <knome> right top boxee
[20:58] <knome> about this community
[20:59] <ochosi> sorry, still don't see it, at least not in the g+ community admin interface
[20:59] <knome> really?
[20:59] <knome> you need a screenshot?
[20:59] <knome> the block starts with: Xubuntu is an elegant and easy-to-use operating system. Xubuntu comes with Xfce, which is a stable, light and configurable desktop environment. 
[21:00] <knome> the blahblah-<p>
[21:00] <knome> then the versions
[21:00] <ochosi> i see that part, not the versions
[21:00] <knome> weird...
[21:00] <knome> but there it is, right after that and the other paragraph
[21:01] <ochosi> http://i.imgur.com/Z7thLBt.png
[21:01] <knome> that doesn't seem to be it
[21:02] <ochosi> hmm
[21:02] <knome> http://www.awesomescreenshot.com/00d54x2med
[21:02] <knome> that's an ugly view btw, google is really trying hard to make me join g+
[21:03] <knome> all those bars at the top
[21:04] <ochosi> oh right
[21:04] <ochosi> that's not the same, indeed
[21:05] <ochosi> i have no admin rights on the community page
[21:05] <ochosi> only on our "official" xubuntu page
[21:05] <knome> i don't even know where the section you are seeing comes from
[21:05] <knome> aha
[21:05] <ochosi> pleia2 might know who admins the community page
[21:05] <knome> i might too
[21:05] <knome> if i dig the wiki hard enough
[21:05] <knome> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Contact/WebAdmins
[21:06] <knome> so, i think pleia2 knows VERY WELL who admins it
[21:06] <knome> maybe a bit too well..
[21:13] <ochosi> right, but that might still only be our g+ acccount, not the community
[21:13] <knome> aha
[21:13] <knome> then figure it out, you g+ geeks
[21:14] <ochosi> :]
[21:14] <ochosi> i'll wait for pleia2's feedback
[21:20] <knome> wuss
[21:20] <knome> :P
[21:23] <ali1234> there's also "pages" on G+
[21:25] <pleia2> g+ communities have owners? :)
[21:25] <pleia2> I'll see if I can figure it out, I might know but forgot
[21:25] <knome> dunno, who maintains the about block?
[21:26] <pleia2> ali1234: we maintain the page, not the community
[21:26] <knome> maybe that should be specified in the wiki
[21:26] <ali1234> communities certainly have creators yes
[21:26] <pleia2> oh neat, I am a moderator on the community
[21:27] <pleia2> this is why you all made me marketing lead, because I know how to social media
[21:27] <knome> yes yes
[21:27] <knome> and you're the cutest
[21:27] <pleia2> :P
[21:27] <knome> well, traditionally marketing is much more than social media, so...
[21:38] <pleia2> I'm just a moderator, so I can't update settings
[21:39] <knome> heh
[21:40] <ochosi> heh, great :)
[21:51] <pleia2> nevermind, I found it
[21:52] <knome> :)
[21:52] <pleia2> worst interface
[21:52]  * pleia2 updates to 14.04.3
[21:52] <knome> our sherlock
[21:52] <knome> <3
[21:56] <ochosi> nice work pleia2 :)
[21:58] <pleia2> I do need to remember/figure out who my co-owner is though here
[21:58] <pleia2> someone has been updating things, re: 15.04
[21:58] <knome> mentioned in the wiki?
[21:59] <pleia2> that's the page, not the community
[21:59] <pleia2> so I should add it to the wiki, for one
[22:00]  * pleia2 does that
[22:00] <pleia2> Internal Server Error
[22:00] <pleia2> NEVERMIND
[22:00] <pleia2> you're dead to me, wiki
[22:00] <ochosi> haha
[22:00] <pleia2> ok, there it goes
[22:00] <ochosi> knome thinks we don't need a responsive wiki
[22:00] <ochosi> ;)
[22:01] <knome> well, this information could potentially be in the website
[22:01] <knome> we do not have a lot of data in the wiki
[22:01] <knome> except some boring meeting logs
[22:01] <ochosi> yeah, even the meeting times could be there
[22:01] <knome> the meeting times could be just in the tracker/dev site
[22:02] <ochosi> i wouldn't mind migrating the leaders and webadmin info to the website tbh
[22:02] <knome> yep
[22:02] <ochosi> would also make it feel a bit more official than just the ubuntu wiki page
[22:02] <pleia2> ok, wiki updated
[22:02] <ochosi> thanks pleia2 
[22:04] <pleia2> "In the lower left corner of your community’s profile information, find the “Members” section > click See all."
[22:04] <pleia2> there are 2000+ members
[22:04] <pleia2> google why do you hate me
[22:04] <knome> :D :D
[22:05] <pleia2> it shows "Moderator" next to my name, so I'm hoping for the same from owner
[22:05] <knome> maybe.
[22:05] <pleia2> once 2000+ member pictures load
[22:06] <knome> just maybe
[22:06] <knome> pictures are great!
[22:06] <pleia2> winner! https://plus.google.com/111763375350071107978/posts
[22:06] <pleia2> thanks Bill
[22:06]  * pleia2 edits wiki again
[22:08]  * pleia2 tries to write html in the wiki
[22:08] <knome> hahah.
[22:08] <knome> that's the best
[22:08] <knome> writing with the wrong syntax
[22:08] <pleia2> I am tired :)
[22:08] <knome> it's ok, i'm tired as well
[22:09] <knome> i hate migrating code
[22:09] <pleia2> I love conferences in foreign lands, but rest would be nice
[22:09] <knome> mhm
[22:09] <pleia2> https://www.linkedin.com/grp/home?gid=4058113
[22:09] <pleia2> our linkedin grou
[22:10] <pleia2> p
[22:10] <pleia2> not so much a think anymore maybe
[22:10] <knome> hah
[22:10] <knome> "great"
[22:10] <knome> whatever happened..
[22:10] <pleia2> why did I even start doing this? D:
[22:10] <knome> :D
[22:10] <pleia2> rabbit hole of fixing social media things with terrible interfaces
[22:11] <pleia2> yeah, the group is gone from my profile too
[22:11] <knome> re: linkedin, maybe it lost its shine when it became "xubuntu users", eg. not potentially being mistaken for "xubuntu developers"
[22:11] <knome> people do the weirdest thing to get credit for things they didn't do
[22:11] <pleia2> Sorry, no results containing all your search terms were found.
[22:11] <pleia2> xubuntu
[22:11] <knome> well, tbh, i'm not sad...
[22:11] <pleia2> nor am I
[22:11] <knome> the linkedin group had no benefits to us or our users
[22:11] <pleia2> mostly linkedin groups just spam me
[22:12] <pleia2> moar wiki edit
[22:15] <pleia2> and linked to our fb owner's fb page
[22:15] <knome> :)
[22:15] <pleia2> should probably go back and link all the lp profiles for our members, but that doesn't just exist in my head so we're safe for now
[22:15] <knome> lol
[22:15] <pleia2> we know who everyone else is pretty much, either via -dev mailing list or team
[22:15] <knome> yep
[22:22] <knome> yummy :D
[22:22] <knome> i broke the tracker again
[22:23] <Unit193> :D
[22:27] <knome> ok, now for some data migration... sigh
[22:27] <Unit193> Esh, not as fun there.
[22:27] <knome> nope, none of this is fun
[22:27] <knome> but the db being in mysql is actually funnier than being in sqlite
[22:28] <knome> in many ways...
[22:28] <Unit193> So, one thing I can think of is that one may not know what's changed since last looking, which could mean the person needs to skim over everything.
[22:28] <knome> right, i'm looking to create some kind of "changelog"
[22:28] <knome> eg. mark items in a list when they get marked "DONE"
[22:28] <knome> per date, of course
[22:29] <knome> but i'm not sure if that helps
[22:29] <knome> i guess you don't really need to know what has changed
[22:29] <knome> http://tracker.xubuntu.org/#tab-details/unit193+teams
[22:29] <knome> this is important for you
[22:29] <knome> you really know your own work items
[22:30] <knome> so... yeah
[22:30] <knome> people shouldn't add new things to you without asking anyway
[22:30] <knome> and for the team items... well, i guess it would be nice to see "new items free to be taken" but meh
[22:30] <knome> since it's all really just one big blob of text, it's not the nicest thing to produce
[22:31] <Unit193> (Well, considering I don't use it for tracking, technically others are more likely to change mine, yeah.)
[22:32] <knome> why don't you use it for tracking? / what do you use for tracking?
[23:02] <knome> hooray! database migration done!
[23:04] <Unit193> Everything broken?
[23:04] <knome> no, that means nothing's broken
[23:04] <knome> but everything was likely broken at least once
[23:04] <Unit193> :D