| === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away | ||
| m0nkey_ | any of you reprobates got dual citizenship? .. not sure how i should re-enter the UK since i hold both UK and canadian passports. Any ideas? | 02:18 |
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| daftykins | hrmm | 02:19 |
| daftykins | pass :D | 02:19 |
| m0nkey_ | From what I understand, when checking in, present my Canadian passport. When I arrive in the UK, present my UK passport. Then visa-versa on the return leg. | 02:20 |
| ali1234 | why does it matter? | 02:20 |
| daftykins | i think m0nkey_ doesn't want to be accused of coming over like a spy :> | 02:21 |
| m0nkey_ | It matters, because if I get it wrong, I could spend hours at the border. Trying to avoid that :) | 02:21 |
| ali1234 | maybe ask on travel.stackexchange.com | 02:21 |
| ali1234 | http://travel.stackexchange.com/questions/44736/dual-citizenship-south-african-and-eu-passport-travelling-to-the-uk-using-tw | 02:22 |
| m0nkey_ | Yeah, pretty much what I've already read from other sources | 02:24 |
| daftykins | isn't there some kinda local rep building to ask too? | 02:25 |
| daftykins | i forget the word for it | 02:25 |
| ali1234 | embassy? | 02:25 |
| daftykins | that's the one | 02:25 |
| m0nkey_ | I don't mind solely travelling on my Canadian passport, I just don't want to spend hours queuing at the international arrivals at Gatwick. | 02:25 |
| daftykins | for some reason i was coming up with 'consulate' :> | 02:25 |
| ali1234 | consulate is probably more correct | 02:26 |
| daftykins | hehe, glance to the right hand end for the special channel islands backdoor ;) | 02:26 |
| m0nkey_ | Right hand, that's the swiss entry, no? | 02:26 |
| m0nkey_ | Unless they shuffled it around last time I visted | 02:26 |
| ali1234 | last time i went abroad they didn't check my passport on return to the UK | 02:27 |
| ali1234 | at all | 02:27 |
| m0nkey_ | heh | 02:27 |
| m0nkey_ | I've had that, just flashed my british passport and no questions asked | 02:27 |
| daftykins | i remember a big gradual slope down, then you turn to the right and come back on yourself to get to the channel island flights corner | 02:27 |
| ali1234 | they just had a sign saying "EU passport holders go this way" | 02:27 |
| ali1234 | and nobody actually checking anything | 02:27 |
| m0nkey_ | I waited in the international arrives queue with my wife, when we got to the passport control, I was questioned as to why I didn't use the British entry. | 02:28 |
| m0nkey_ | Duh, I'm with my wife and kids | 02:28 |
| daftykins | heh | 02:28 |
| m0nkey_ | The next time I did that, the officer wanted to see my permanent residence card for Canada. | 02:28 |
| m0nkey_ | This time, travelling alone, but as a dual-citizen. | 02:29 |
| m0nkey_ | Which is why I'm checking up on this crap. | 02:29 |
| daftykins | just give yourself ample time i guess :) | 02:29 |
| m0nkey_ | Heh yeah. I can't see having any trouble presenting my British passport. I'll have a giggle when they ask me "how long have you been out of the country" :) | 02:30 |
| daftykins | 8D | 02:31 |
| daftykins | just don't say "not long enough" ;) | 02:31 |
| m0nkey_ | That answer will be 2 years :) | 02:31 |
| m0nkey_ | lol | 02:32 |
| mappps | im melting | 05:12 |
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| === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away | ||
| brobostigon | morning boys and girls. | 09:03 |
| * zmoylan-pi pelts brobostigon with nerf darts | 09:06 | |
| * brobostigon dies ungracefully, with loads of magical sparkles. | 09:07 | |
| zmoylan-pi | try and assume an awkward position just to annoy the chalk outline person | 09:08 |
| brobostigon | wooops. | 09:09 |
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| Nokaji | They (amazon review) are saying the Logitech LS1 Laser Mouse is great for Linux. Any idea how they got the middle button to work? | 15:22 |
| Nokaji | button / scroll wheel | 15:23 |
| Nokaji | scroll works fine | 15:23 |
| Nokaji | pushing wheel left/right works fine too. The button in windows usually has to be configured form a set menu of options/functions. | 15:25 |
| Nokaji | none of which are visible in mouse/tablets settings | 15:26 |
| daftykins | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrzU-MMBGIM | 15:27 |
| daftykins | i've never had to configure a mouse buttons in Windows :> | 15:28 |
| Nokaji | it can be set as double click and a few other things I forget | 15:28 |
| Nokaji | als the pointer speed is configurable (inc via linux) as is the option for primary button being left or right (again, in linux too) | 15:29 |
| mgdm | does the middle button work as the X paste thing? (Is that still a thing these days?) | 15:31 |
| Nokaji | sorry, not familiar with x paste | 15:32 |
| Nokaji | at last I found some clues on the www | 15:35 |
| Nokaji | seems they are all being deleted faster than I can get to them though | 15:36 |
| mgdm | it used to be that you could highlight a bit of text somwhere and then press middle mouse to paste it somewhere else (separate from the ctrl-c/ctrl-v clipboard) | 15:36 |
| mgdm | but I've not used Ubuntu on a desktop in a couple of years, and so I don't know if it still runs X :-) | 15:36 |
| Nokaji | "It's important to note that Ubuntu considers a standard two button, scroll/click-wheel mouse to have five buttons. Each main button (left and right) count as one, the downward click on the wheel counts as another, and the up/down scrolling also count as one each (2+1+2=5). " | 15:37 |
| Nokaji | seems I am on the way to find out | 15:37 |
| Nokaji | my next clue "xinput - find your device in xinput list and run " | 15:40 |
| daftykins | then 7 since most have back+forward too | 15:41 |
| daftykins | couldn't be without those | 15:42 |
| Nokaji | 7 is doable, they say | 15:42 |
| Nokaji | on a former ubuntu page now only available via google cache | 15:42 |
| daftykins | nah it's a common thing :) | 15:42 |
| Nokaji | "xinput list 10" gives me the five values | 15:46 |
| Nokaji | "xinput test 10" gives me feedback on which button is which (id=10 in my particular case). no response to middle click | 15:51 |
| Nokaji | rsponses to buttons 1,3,4,5,6,7 - so it's button 2 | 15:53 |
| Nokaji | {xinput set-button-map 10 2} doesn't seem to work however I can alter left click with {xinput set-button-map 10 1} | 16:01 |
| zmoylan-pi | trillian from original radio series of h2g2 has died... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-33841383 | 16:17 |
| brobostigon | trisha macmillan, yes. | 16:18 |
| brobostigon | tricia* | 16:19 |
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| penguin42 | zmoylan-pi: :-( | 16:30 |
| penguin42 | zmoylan-pi: I'd blame the bugblatter beast of trall | 16:34 |
| zmoylan-pi | never leave home without your towel... | 16:35 |
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| * brobostigon liked arthur trying to teach a neanderthal scrabble. | 16:36 | |
| penguin42 | yes, you've got it, six times nine.... | 16:39 |
| * penguin42 does have the CDs of the 1st two series | 16:39 | |
| zmoylan-pi | and we learned the value of a good phone sanitizer... | 16:39 |
| brobostigon | payed in leaves. | 16:40 |
| penguin42 | fitted nasaly | 16:40 |
| diddledan | m00rning | 17:01 |
| daftykins | o hai | 17:14 |
| diddledan | I _really_ need an ssd in here | 17:41 |
| diddledan | it's painful | 17:41 |
| diddledan | try to do something and have to wait minutes | 17:41 |
| daftykins | where's that? | 17:42 |
| diddledan | in my desktop | 17:42 |
| daftykins | buy buy buy :D | 17:42 |
| diddledan | indeed | 17:42 |
| diddledan | *drool* http://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-2-5-Inch-Solid-State-Drive/dp/B00P738MUU/ref=sr_1_sc_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1439142221&sr=8-5-spell&keywords=sumsung+ssd | 17:45 |
| penguin42 | nice | 17:48 |
| penguin42 | diddledan: I use an SSD + a spinny; OS and /home on the SSD, other big stuff on the spinny | 17:48 |
| diddledan | yeah, this'll be for the OS and every-day stuff. I've got a raid array for the archival of video (not illegal, honest) | 17:49 |
| diddledan | I'll also be using the RAID for my floppy archive when I get around to doing that | 17:49 |
| diddledan | I bought a kryoflux the other day for the floppies | 17:50 |
| diddledan | http://kryoflux.com/ | 17:50 |
| diddledan | I just need to wire it up | 17:50 |
| penguin42 | amiga floppies? | 17:51 |
| diddledan | nah, dos | 17:51 |
| diddledan | the kryo doesn't care tho - it'll do anything | 17:51 |
| penguin42 | can't you just read the DOS floppies under Linux ? | 17:51 |
| daftykins | i noticed the windows 10 requirements page says you may have to go on windows update to get a driver for your floppy drive | 17:52 |
| daftykins | :D | 17:52 |
| diddledan | lol | 17:52 |
| penguin42 | an updated driver for your floppy drive?! | 17:52 |
| diddledan | yeah there was a bit of rumour shortly before RTM-that-wasn't that win10 wouldn't support floppy at all | 17:53 |
| penguin42 | you mean they got to 2 weeks before release and someone 'cr*p we never wrote a floppy driver!' | 17:53 |
| diddledan | penguin42: no, a driver in the first instance - win10 doesn't ship with a driver so you need to download it off winupdate | 17:53 |
| penguin42 | oh weird | 17:54 |
| daftykins | XD | 17:54 |
| daftykins | in fairness that's gonna be niche with any luck | 17:54 |
| penguin42 | diddledan: Hmm, that could give an interesting problem given that sometimes if you need to install early stage drivers you had them on ..... | 17:54 |
| diddledan | yeah | 17:54 |
| daftykins | penguin42: been able to use flash drives since Vista | 17:58 |
| penguin42 | ah | 17:58 |
| diddledan | and cd/dvd | 17:58 |
| diddledan | take the windows disk out and plop the driver disk in instead | 17:58 |
| diddledan | then swap back once the drivers are loaded | 17:59 |
| daftykins | i remember that in server 2003 though, i used a program to integrate them though so i didn't have to bother | 17:59 |
| diddledan | yeah slipstreaming the installer is more difficult since vista tho | 17:59 |
| daftykins | *nod* | 17:59 |
| diddledan | the weird wim thingy ruined it | 18:00 |
| daftykins | huge hassle, i was reading about putting USB3 drivers into 10 or 7 so i could boot from USB3 port and do crazy fast installs ;) | 18:00 |
| diddledan | my USB 3 isn't working on my desktop | 18:00 |
| diddledan | annoying the poo out of me | 18:00 |
| diddledan | I really should moan at MS | 18:00 |
| daftykins | o0 | 18:00 |
| daftykins | intel or 3rd party controller? | 18:01 |
| diddledan | it's an etron chip and windows loads the drivers correctly but it doesn't detect either of my two disks | 18:01 |
| penguin42 | out of curiosity does Linux work on the same hardware? | 18:02 |
| diddledan | yes | 18:02 |
| penguin42 | a rarity :-) | 18:02 |
| penguin42 | there are a few bits of magic with USB, especially things like ports that are shared between USB3 and USB2 controllers | 18:03 |
| daftykins | probably just need a better driver ;) | 18:06 |
| penguin42 | daftykins: Is it on a separate card or on the motherboard? If on the motherboard it might be worth checking for a bios update - there's some structures that I think tell drivers the relationship USB2 and USB3 controllers | 18:08 |
| daftykins | tcf? :) | 18:10 |
| diddledan | last bios update was 2013 | 18:11 |
| diddledan | I think gigabyte have abandoned the mobo | 18:11 |
| daftykins | ugh gigabyte :P | 18:11 |
| Nokaji | well, i can say I added an internal USB3 port to my m/c this week, worked fine on s/w on, no need to faff around with drivers | 18:12 |
| daftykins | motorcycle? :P | 18:12 |
| Nokaji | machine | 18:13 |
| diddledan | M/C hammer | 18:13 |
| daftykins | odd notation | 18:13 |
| Nokaji | it was taught me in college so it is official | 18:13 |
| Nokaji | draw a circle around it | 18:13 |
| daftykins | i humbly challenge that | 18:13 |
| diddledan | I've never seen that designation either | 18:14 |
| penguin42 | there are some very location specific names | 18:14 |
| penguin42 | never heard that one | 18:14 |
| daftykins | diddledan: i used most of my 7 or 8 drivers in my 10 installs XD | 18:14 |
| daftykins | my gear is so old | 18:14 |
| diddledan | yeah I'm gonna try the 8.1 driver | 18:14 |
| daftykins | silly webcam shows the picture upside down on this laptop otherwise | 18:14 |
| Nokaji | daftykins: If i can fire up my time m/c, i'll gladly show you | 18:14 |
| diddledan | lol | 18:14 |
| diddledan | that's a funky driver issue! | 18:14 |
| daftykins | time motorcycle 8D | 18:14 |
| diddledan | you should have kept it | 18:15 |
| daftykins | i'd have had to field some terrible jokes about "am i in Australia" | 18:15 |
| zmoylan-pi | just tell people you're in australia when using it | 18:15 |
| zmoylan-pi | dynf | 18:15 |
| daftykins | XD | 18:15 |
| directhex | grr gigabyte motherboards | 18:18 |
| directhex | wouldn't touch them now | 18:18 |
| daftykins | what did they do to you? | 18:19 |
| diddledan | I'm gonna reboob | 18:20 |
| diddledan | brb | 18:20 |
| zmoylan-pi | that's probably a freudian slip... :-) | 18:21 |
| directhex | daftykins: "gigabyte hybrid efi" | 18:24 |
| daftykins | ah | 18:25 |
| directhex | a cut-down, low-quality 64-bit efi emulator running on top of their existing 16-bit bioses. | 18:25 |
| daftykins | :D | 18:25 |
| directhex | it... worked poorly | 18:25 |
| Nokaji | daftykins: Here you go ol' sport - https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=oeISZarBe00C&pg=PA427&lpg=PA427&dq=symbols+of+mechanical+engineering+m/c&source=bl&ots=Ng-NVFzfDm&sig=y2nhp0N4D6xnL74qwyo11OAtYlE&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CCIQ6AEwAGoVChMIj_TP_c-cxwIV7AfbCh3QCwZD#v=onepage&q=symbols%20of%20mechanical%20engineering%20m%2Fc&f=false | 18:26 |
| daftykins | hmm nope | 18:27 |
| Nokaji | well it's in there, in emblazened in yellow | 18:28 |
| Nokaji | challenge accepted and met | 18:29 |
| daftykins | probably old, dunno :) | 18:36 |
| * daftykins didn't look | 18:36 | |
| diddledan | and back | 18:41 |
| diddledan | directhex: yeah this board has that hybrid turd | 18:41 |
| directhex | it does not work | 18:41 |
| directhex | turn it off | 18:41 |
| directhex | do not try to efi boot that thing | 18:41 |
| directhex | my dad was lucky, there was a beta replacement true uefi firmware available | 18:41 |
| diddledan | where'd that appear? | 18:42 |
| diddledan | I might go a hunting | 18:42 |
| directhex | Gb site | 18:43 |
| diddledan | win10 ninjacat goes moving: http://imgur.com/a/emHj1 | 19:43 |
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| directhex | ._. | 19:45 |
| diddledan | and win10 finally removes clippy: https://tsil0g.dm2302.livefilestore.com/y3pgcHd9awPYIJrBsqVNBeepnymwDRzs1Bfflddp9ZpUX8ANnpwPZjEyE8MescvtZL0OkgEwrto5NmzcXaF8jrcRie2Nw050JokkGUNi0mewK11ODYSRUb1VWu29c_cHogs_tzr9EhBEFwkd3bcyA_Rbg/NCTClippy-highres.jpg?psid=1 | 19:45 |
| zmoylan-pi | you'll have to pay to bring back clippy... :-) | 19:45 |
| diddledan | \o/ | 19:45 |
| diddledan | zmoylan-pi: it'll be a required upgrade, too | 19:46 |
| zmoylan-pi | any one who does pay will be removed from society to a place that they can get the treatment they need :-P | 19:46 |
| diddledan | didn't we do that with the psychotics? | 19:46 |
| diddledan | asylums don't exist no more 'cos we do "care in the community" now | 19:47 |
| zmoylan-pi | or house of lords as ye lot call it :-P | 19:47 |
| diddledan | hmm, my mac has lost the cursor | 19:48 |
| diddledan | I can see hover-states activating but there's no arrow | 19:48 |
| diddledan | aha, clicking on the menu has brought it back | 19:48 |
| Nokaji | diddledan: I miss the asylums, you had a concentrated staff of professionals and all the facilities at hand, to boot. | 19:51 |
| diddledan | Nokaji: they weren't nice places tho | 19:51 |
| diddledan | Nokaji: modern psychiatric units are much nicer | 19:51 |
| zmoylan-pi | they weren't nice places but dumping those folk into cold uncaring community isn't nice either | 19:52 |
| Nokaji | diddledan: Tey were fraught with problems but so is the current system. They sold it by putting a select few people in luxury accomodation with all the care they needed but all that ofc tailed off. | 19:52 |
| diddledan | zmoylan-pi: true, psychiatric care in the community is a bit of a trade-off - it's cheaper but means that people get neglected | 19:52 |
| Nokaji | My theory is that the current populace is so dumb, why bother separating them? | 19:53 |
| diddledan | full-disclosure: I've been in-patient several times | 19:53 |
| diddledan | <-- nutjob | 19:53 |
| diddledan | :-p | 19:54 |
| Nokaji | Not that i feel compelled to disclose anything however, I've been a carer | 19:54 |
| zleap | we could give people that pay to bring back clippy a ticket to colonise mars | 19:54 |
| Nokaji | I could prolly go on making disclosure but what's the point | 19:54 |
| diddledan | zleap: I hope we do colonise mars | 19:55 |
| zleap | yeah | 19:55 |
| zmoylan-pi | nah, we might want mars one day. drop them on io | 19:55 |
| diddledan | zleap: so then a future arnie can get his ass to mars | 19:55 |
| zleap | terminator : colonize | 19:56 |
| zmoylan-pi | i'd be happy with just a moon base | 20:05 |
| zleap | yeah | 20:05 |
| diddledan | the nazis beat us there tho | 20:05 |
| zleap | ok | 20:06 |
| zmoylan-pi | good movie | 20:06 |
| zleap | what movie is that | 20:06 |
| diddledan | indeed | 20:06 |
| diddledan | loved it | 20:06 |
| diddledan | zleap: iron sky | 20:06 |
| zleap | ah | 20:06 |
| zmoylan-pi | watch it zleap | 20:06 |
| zleap | ok | 20:06 |
| diddledan | zleap: it's on netflix | 20:06 |
| zleap | ah ok | 20:06 |
| diddledan | renate is cool | 20:07 |
| zleap | k | 20:10 |
| zleap | i am trying to add an option to a note pad program created in tkinter / python and am really stuck | 20:21 |
| zleap | http://pygments.org/docs/quickstart/#example | 20:22 |
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| daftykins | http://www.engadget.com/2015/08/08/intel-memory-sinkhole-flaw/ | 21:29 |
| daftykins | sounds bad | 21:29 |
| diddledan | eep | 21:33 |
| zmoylan-pi | it's all microsofts fault... somehow... give me a minute... i'll work out how... :-) | 21:34 |
| zmoylan-pi | it'll all hinge on it been a chinese motherboard... | 21:35 |
| diddledan | how do you get chi knees? | 21:38 |
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