[02:18] <m0nkey_> any of you reprobates got dual citizenship? .. not sure how i should re-enter the UK since i hold both UK and canadian passports. Any ideas?
[02:19] <daftykins> hrmm
[02:19] <daftykins> pass :D
[02:20] <m0nkey_> From what I understand, when checking in, present my Canadian passport. When I arrive in the UK, present my UK passport. Then visa-versa on the return leg.
[02:20] <ali1234> why does it matter?
[02:21] <daftykins> i think m0nkey_ doesn't want to be accused of coming over like a spy :>
[02:21] <m0nkey_> It matters, because if I get it wrong, I could spend hours at the border. Trying to avoid that :)
[02:21] <ali1234> maybe ask on travel.stackexchange.com
[02:22] <ali1234> http://travel.stackexchange.com/questions/44736/dual-citizenship-south-african-and-eu-passport-travelling-to-the-uk-using-tw
[02:24] <m0nkey_> Yeah, pretty much what I've already read from other sources
[02:25] <daftykins> isn't there some kinda local rep building to ask too?
[02:25] <daftykins> i forget the word for it
[02:25] <ali1234> embassy?
[02:25] <daftykins> that's the one
[02:25] <m0nkey_> I don't mind solely travelling on my Canadian passport, I just don't want to spend hours queuing at the international arrivals at Gatwick.
[02:25] <daftykins> for some reason i was coming up with 'consulate' :>
[02:26] <ali1234> consulate is probably more correct
[02:26] <daftykins> hehe, glance to the right hand end for the special channel islands backdoor ;)
[02:26] <m0nkey_> Right hand, that's the swiss entry, no?
[02:26] <m0nkey_> Unless they shuffled it around last time I visted
[02:27] <ali1234> last time i went abroad they didn't check my passport on return to the UK
[02:27] <ali1234> at all
[02:27] <m0nkey_> heh
[02:27] <m0nkey_> I've had that, just flashed my british passport and no questions asked
[02:27] <daftykins> i remember a big gradual slope down, then you turn to the right and come back on yourself to get to the channel island flights corner
[02:27] <ali1234> they just had a sign saying "EU passport holders go this way"
[02:27] <ali1234> and nobody actually checking anything
[02:28] <m0nkey_> I waited in the international arrives queue with my wife, when we got to the passport control, I was questioned as to why I didn't use the British entry.
[02:28] <m0nkey_> Duh, I'm with my wife and kids
[02:28] <daftykins> heh
[02:28] <m0nkey_> The next time I did that, the officer wanted to see my permanent residence card for Canada.
[02:29] <m0nkey_> This time, travelling alone, but as a dual-citizen.
[02:29] <m0nkey_> Which is why I'm checking up on this crap.
[02:29] <daftykins> just give yourself ample time i guess :)
[02:30] <m0nkey_> Heh yeah. I can't see having any trouble presenting my British passport. I'll have a giggle when they ask me "how long have you been out of the country" :)
[02:31] <daftykins> 8D
[02:31] <daftykins> just don't say "not long enough" ;)
[02:31] <m0nkey_> That answer will be 2 years :)
[02:32] <m0nkey_> lol
[05:12] <mappps> im melting
[09:03] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:06]  * zmoylan-pi pelts brobostigon with nerf darts
[09:07]  * brobostigon dies ungracefully, with loads of magical sparkles.
[09:08] <zmoylan-pi> try and assume an awkward position just to annoy the chalk outline person
[09:09] <brobostigon> wooops.
[15:22] <Nokaji> They (amazon review) are saying the Logitech LS1 Laser Mouse is great for Linux. Any idea how they got the middle button to work?
[15:23] <Nokaji> button / scroll wheel
[15:23] <Nokaji> scroll works fine
[15:25] <Nokaji> pushing wheel left/right works fine too. The button in windows usually has to be configured form a set menu of options/functions.
[15:26] <Nokaji> none of which are visible in mouse/tablets settings
[15:27] <daftykins> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrzU-MMBGIM
[15:28] <daftykins> i've never had to configure a mouse buttons in Windows :>
[15:28] <Nokaji> it can be set as double click and a few other things I forget
[15:29] <Nokaji> als the pointer speed is configurable (inc via linux) as is the option for primary button being left or right (again, in linux too)
[15:31] <mgdm> does the middle button work as the X paste thing? (Is that still a thing these days?)
[15:32] <Nokaji> sorry, not familiar with x paste
[15:35] <Nokaji> at last I found some clues on the www
[15:36] <Nokaji> seems they are all being deleted faster than I can get to them though
[15:36] <mgdm> it used to be that you could highlight a bit of text somwhere and then press middle mouse to paste it somewhere else (separate from the ctrl-c/ctrl-v clipboard)
[15:36] <mgdm> but I've not used Ubuntu on a desktop in a couple of years, and so I don't know if it still runs X :-)
[15:37] <Nokaji> "It's important to note that Ubuntu considers a standard two button,  scroll/click-wheel mouse to have five buttons. Each main button (left  and right) count as one, the downward click on the wheel counts as  another, and the up/down scrolling also count as one each (2+1+2=5). "
[15:37] <Nokaji> seems I am on the way to find out
[15:40] <Nokaji> my next clue "xinput - find your device in xinput list and run "
[15:41] <daftykins> then 7 since most have back+forward too
[15:42] <daftykins> couldn't be without those
[15:42] <Nokaji> 7 is doable, they say
[15:42] <Nokaji> on a former ubuntu page now only available via google cache
[15:42] <daftykins> nah it's a common thing :)
[15:46] <Nokaji> "xinput list 10" gives me the five values
[15:51] <Nokaji> "xinput test 10" gives me feedback on which button is which (id=10 in my particular case). no response to middle click
[15:53] <Nokaji> rsponses to buttons 1,3,4,5,6,7 - so it's button 2
[16:01] <Nokaji> {xinput set-button-map 10 2} doesn't seem to work however I can alter left click with {xinput set-button-map 10 1}
[16:17] <zmoylan-pi> trillian from original radio series of h2g2 has died... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-33841383
[16:18] <brobostigon> trisha macmillan, yes.
[16:19] <brobostigon> tricia*
[16:30] <penguin42> zmoylan-pi: :-(
[16:34] <penguin42> zmoylan-pi: I'd blame the bugblatter beast of trall
[16:35] <zmoylan-pi> never leave home without your towel...
[16:36]  * brobostigon liked arthur trying to teach a neanderthal scrabble.
[16:39] <penguin42> yes, you've got it,   six times nine....
[16:39]  * penguin42 does have the CDs of the 1st two series
[16:39] <zmoylan-pi> and we learned the value of a good phone sanitizer...
[16:40] <brobostigon> payed in leaves.
[16:40] <penguin42> fitted nasaly
[17:01] <diddledan> m00rning
[17:14] <daftykins> o hai
[17:41] <diddledan> I _really_ need an ssd in here
[17:41] <diddledan> it's painful
[17:41] <diddledan> try to do something and have to wait minutes
[17:42] <daftykins> where's that?
[17:42] <diddledan> in my desktop
[17:42] <daftykins> buy buy buy :D
[17:42] <diddledan> indeed
[17:45] <diddledan> *drool* http://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-2-5-Inch-Solid-State-Drive/dp/B00P738MUU/ref=sr_1_sc_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1439142221&sr=8-5-spell&keywords=sumsung+ssd
[17:48] <penguin42> nice
[17:48] <penguin42> diddledan: I use an SSD + a spinny; OS and /home on the SSD, other big stuff on the spinny
[17:49] <diddledan> yeah, this'll be for the OS and every-day stuff. I've got a raid array for the archival of video (not illegal, honest)
[17:49] <diddledan> I'll also be using the RAID for my floppy archive when I get around to doing that
[17:50] <diddledan> I bought a kryoflux the other day for the floppies
[17:50] <diddledan> http://kryoflux.com/
[17:50] <diddledan> I just need to wire it up
[17:51] <penguin42> amiga floppies?
[17:51] <diddledan> nah, dos
[17:51] <diddledan> the kryo doesn't care tho - it'll do anything
[17:51] <penguin42> can't you just read the DOS floppies under Linux ?
[17:52] <daftykins> i noticed the windows 10 requirements page says you may have to go on windows update to get a driver for your floppy drive
[17:52] <daftykins> :D
[17:52] <diddledan> lol
[17:52] <penguin42> an updated driver for your floppy drive?!
[17:53] <diddledan> yeah there was a bit of rumour shortly before RTM-that-wasn't that win10 wouldn't support floppy at all
[17:53] <penguin42> you mean they got to 2 weeks before release and someone 'cr*p we never wrote a floppy driver!'
[17:53] <diddledan> penguin42: no, a driver in the first instance - win10 doesn't ship with a driver so you need to download it off winupdate
[17:54] <penguin42> oh weird
[17:54] <daftykins> XD
[17:54] <daftykins> in fairness that's gonna be niche with any luck
[17:54] <penguin42> diddledan: Hmm, that could give an interesting problem given that sometimes if you need to install early stage drivers you had them on .....
[17:54] <diddledan> yeah
[17:58] <daftykins> penguin42: been able to use flash drives since Vista
[17:58] <penguin42> ah
[17:58] <diddledan> and cd/dvd
[17:58] <diddledan> take the windows disk out and plop the driver disk in instead
[17:59] <diddledan> then swap back once the drivers are loaded
[17:59] <daftykins> i remember that in server 2003 though, i used a program to integrate them though so i didn't have to bother
[17:59] <diddledan> yeah slipstreaming the installer is more difficult since vista tho
[17:59] <daftykins> *nod*
[18:00] <diddledan> the weird wim thingy ruined it
[18:00] <daftykins> huge hassle, i was reading about putting USB3 drivers into 10 or 7 so i could boot from USB3 port and do crazy fast installs ;)
[18:00] <diddledan> my USB 3 isn't working on my desktop
[18:00] <diddledan> annoying the poo out of me
[18:00] <diddledan> I really should moan at MS
[18:00] <daftykins> o0
[18:01] <daftykins> intel or 3rd party controller?
[18:01] <diddledan> it's an etron chip and windows loads the drivers correctly but it doesn't detect either of my two disks
[18:02] <penguin42> out of curiosity does Linux work on the same hardware?
[18:02] <diddledan> yes
[18:02] <penguin42> a rarity :-)
[18:03] <penguin42> there are a few bits of magic with USB, especially things like ports that are shared between USB3 and USB2 controllers
[18:06] <daftykins> probably just need a better driver ;)
[18:08] <penguin42> daftykins: Is it on a separate card or on the motherboard? If on the motherboard it might be worth checking for a bios update - there's some structures that I think tell drivers the relationship USB2 and USB3 controllers
[18:10] <daftykins> tcf? :)
[18:11] <diddledan> last bios update was 2013
[18:11] <diddledan> I think gigabyte have abandoned the mobo
[18:11] <daftykins> ugh gigabyte :P
[18:12] <Nokaji> well, i can say I added an internal USB3 port to my m/c this week, worked fine on s/w on, no need to faff around with drivers
[18:12] <daftykins> motorcycle? :P
[18:13] <Nokaji> machine
[18:13] <diddledan> M/C hammer
[18:13] <daftykins> odd notation
[18:13] <Nokaji> it was taught me in college so it is official
[18:13] <Nokaji> draw a circle around it
[18:13] <daftykins> i humbly challenge that
[18:14] <diddledan> I've never seen that designation either
[18:14] <penguin42> there are some very location specific names
[18:14] <penguin42> never heard that one
[18:14] <daftykins> diddledan: i used most of my 7 or 8 drivers in my 10 installs XD
[18:14] <daftykins> my gear is so old
[18:14] <diddledan> yeah I'm gonna try the 8.1 driver
[18:14] <daftykins> silly webcam shows the picture upside down on this laptop otherwise
[18:14] <Nokaji> daftykins: If i can fire up my time m/c, i'll gladly show you
[18:14] <diddledan> lol
[18:14] <diddledan> that's a funky driver issue!
[18:14] <daftykins> time motorcycle 8D
[18:15] <diddledan> you should have kept it
[18:15] <daftykins> i'd have had to field some terrible jokes about "am i in Australia"
[18:15] <zmoylan-pi> just tell people you're in australia when using it
[18:15] <zmoylan-pi> dynf
[18:15] <daftykins> XD
[18:18] <directhex> grr gigabyte motherboards
[18:18] <directhex> wouldn't touch them now
[18:19] <daftykins> what did they do to you?
[18:20] <diddledan> I'm gonna reboob
[18:20] <diddledan> brb
[18:21] <zmoylan-pi> that's probably a freudian slip... :-)
[18:24] <directhex> daftykins: "gigabyte hybrid efi"
[18:25] <daftykins> ah
[18:25] <directhex> a cut-down, low-quality 64-bit efi emulator running on top of their existing 16-bit bioses.
[18:25] <daftykins> :D
[18:25] <directhex> it... worked poorly
[18:26] <Nokaji> daftykins: Here you go ol' sport - https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=oeISZarBe00C&pg=PA427&lpg=PA427&dq=symbols+of+mechanical+engineering+m/c&source=bl&ots=Ng-NVFzfDm&sig=y2nhp0N4D6xnL74qwyo11OAtYlE&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CCIQ6AEwAGoVChMIj_TP_c-cxwIV7AfbCh3QCwZD#v=onepage&q=symbols%20of%20mechanical%20engineering%20m%2Fc&f=false
[18:27] <daftykins> hmm nope
[18:28] <Nokaji> well it's in there, in emblazened in yellow
[18:29] <Nokaji> challenge accepted and met
[18:36] <daftykins> probably old, dunno :)
[18:36]  * daftykins didn't look
[18:41] <diddledan> and back
[18:41] <diddledan> directhex: yeah this board has that hybrid turd
[18:41] <directhex> it does not work
[18:41] <directhex> turn it off
[18:41] <directhex> do not try to efi boot that thing
[18:41] <directhex> my dad was lucky, there was a beta replacement true uefi firmware available
[18:42] <diddledan> where'd that appear?
[18:42] <diddledan> I might go a hunting
[18:43] <directhex> Gb site
[19:43] <diddledan> win10 ninjacat goes moving: http://imgur.com/a/emHj1
[19:45] <directhex> ._.
[19:45] <diddledan> and win10 finally removes clippy: https://tsil0g.dm2302.livefilestore.com/y3pgcHd9awPYIJrBsqVNBeepnymwDRzs1Bfflddp9ZpUX8ANnpwPZjEyE8MescvtZL0OkgEwrto5NmzcXaF8jrcRie2Nw050JokkGUNi0mewK11ODYSRUb1VWu29c_cHogs_tzr9EhBEFwkd3bcyA_Rbg/NCTClippy-highres.jpg?psid=1
[19:45] <zmoylan-pi> you'll have to pay to bring back clippy... :-)
[19:45] <diddledan> \o/
[19:46] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: it'll be a required upgrade, too
[19:46] <zmoylan-pi> any one who does pay will be removed from society to a place that they can get the treatment they need :-P
[19:46] <diddledan> didn't we do that with the psychotics?
[19:47] <diddledan> asylums don't exist no more 'cos we do "care in the community" now
[19:47] <zmoylan-pi> or house of lords as ye lot call it :-P
[19:48] <diddledan> hmm, my mac has lost the cursor
[19:48] <diddledan> I can see hover-states activating but there's no arrow
[19:48] <diddledan> aha, clicking on the menu has brought it back
[19:51] <Nokaji> diddledan: I miss the asylums, you had a concentrated staff of professionals and all the facilities at hand, to boot.
[19:51] <diddledan> Nokaji: they weren't nice places tho
[19:51] <diddledan> Nokaji: modern psychiatric units are much nicer
[19:52] <zmoylan-pi> they weren't nice places but dumping those folk into cold uncaring community isn't nice either
[19:52] <Nokaji> diddledan: Tey were fraught with problems but so is the current system. They sold it by putting a select few people in luxury accomodation with all the care they needed but all that ofc tailed off.
[19:52] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: true, psychiatric care in the community is a bit of a trade-off - it's cheaper but means that people get neglected
[19:53] <Nokaji> My theory is that the current populace is so dumb, why bother separating them?
[19:53] <diddledan> full-disclosure: I've been in-patient several times
[19:53] <diddledan> <-- nutjob
[19:54] <diddledan> :-p
[19:54] <Nokaji> Not that i feel compelled to disclose anything however, I've been a carer
[19:54] <zleap> we could give people that pay to bring back clippy a ticket to colonise mars
[19:54] <Nokaji> I could prolly go on making disclosure but what's the point
[19:55] <diddledan> zleap: I hope we do colonise mars
[19:55] <zleap> yeah
[19:55] <zmoylan-pi> nah, we might want mars one day.  drop them on io
[19:55] <diddledan> zleap: so then a future arnie can get his ass to mars
[19:56] <zleap> terminator : colonize
[20:05] <zmoylan-pi> i'd be happy with just a moon base
[20:05] <zleap> yeah
[20:05] <diddledan> the nazis beat us there tho
[20:06] <zleap> ok
[20:06] <zmoylan-pi> good movie
[20:06] <zleap> what movie is that
[20:06] <diddledan> indeed
[20:06] <diddledan> loved it
[20:06] <diddledan> zleap: iron sky
[20:06] <zleap> ah
[20:06] <zmoylan-pi> watch it zleap
[20:06] <zleap> ok
[20:06] <diddledan> zleap: it's on netflix
[20:06] <zleap> ah ok
[20:07] <diddledan> renate is cool
[20:10] <zleap> k
[20:21] <zleap> i am trying to add an option to a note pad program created in tkinter / python and am really stuck
[20:22] <zleap> http://pygments.org/docs/quickstart/#example
[21:29] <daftykins> http://www.engadget.com/2015/08/08/intel-memory-sinkhole-flaw/
[21:29] <daftykins> sounds bad
[21:33] <diddledan> eep
[21:34] <zmoylan-pi> it's all microsofts fault... somehow... give me a minute... i'll work out how... :-)
[21:35] <zmoylan-pi> it'll all hinge on it been a chinese motherboard...
[21:38] <diddledan> how do you get chi knees?