=== Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [02:18] any of you reprobates got dual citizenship? .. not sure how i should re-enter the UK since i hold both UK and canadian passports. Any ideas? [02:19] hrmm [02:19] pass :D [02:20] From what I understand, when checking in, present my Canadian passport. When I arrive in the UK, present my UK passport. Then visa-versa on the return leg. [02:20] why does it matter? [02:21] i think m0nkey_ doesn't want to be accused of coming over like a spy :> [02:21] It matters, because if I get it wrong, I could spend hours at the border. Trying to avoid that :) [02:21] maybe ask on travel.stackexchange.com [02:22] http://travel.stackexchange.com/questions/44736/dual-citizenship-south-african-and-eu-passport-travelling-to-the-uk-using-tw [02:24] Yeah, pretty much what I've already read from other sources [02:25] isn't there some kinda local rep building to ask too? [02:25] i forget the word for it [02:25] embassy? [02:25] that's the one [02:25] I don't mind solely travelling on my Canadian passport, I just don't want to spend hours queuing at the international arrivals at Gatwick. [02:25] for some reason i was coming up with 'consulate' :> [02:26] consulate is probably more correct [02:26] hehe, glance to the right hand end for the special channel islands backdoor ;) [02:26] Right hand, that's the swiss entry, no? [02:26] Unless they shuffled it around last time I visted [02:27] last time i went abroad they didn't check my passport on return to the UK [02:27] at all [02:27] heh [02:27] I've had that, just flashed my british passport and no questions asked [02:27] i remember a big gradual slope down, then you turn to the right and come back on yourself to get to the channel island flights corner [02:27] they just had a sign saying "EU passport holders go this way" [02:27] and nobody actually checking anything [02:28] I waited in the international arrives queue with my wife, when we got to the passport control, I was questioned as to why I didn't use the British entry. [02:28] Duh, I'm with my wife and kids [02:28] heh [02:28] The next time I did that, the officer wanted to see my permanent residence card for Canada. [02:29] This time, travelling alone, but as a dual-citizen. [02:29] Which is why I'm checking up on this crap. [02:29] just give yourself ample time i guess :) [02:30] Heh yeah. I can't see having any trouble presenting my British passport. I'll have a giggle when they ask me "how long have you been out of the country" :) [02:31] 8D [02:31] just don't say "not long enough" ;) [02:31] That answer will be 2 years :) [02:32] lol [05:12] im melting === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [09:03] morning boys and girls. [09:06] * zmoylan-pi pelts brobostigon with nerf darts [09:07] * brobostigon dies ungracefully, with loads of magical sparkles. [09:08] try and assume an awkward position just to annoy the chalk outline person [09:09] wooops. === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [15:22] They (amazon review) are saying the Logitech LS1 Laser Mouse is great for Linux. Any idea how they got the middle button to work? [15:23] button / scroll wheel [15:23] scroll works fine [15:25] pushing wheel left/right works fine too. The button in windows usually has to be configured form a set menu of options/functions. [15:26] none of which are visible in mouse/tablets settings [15:27] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrzU-MMBGIM [15:28] i've never had to configure a mouse buttons in Windows :> [15:28] it can be set as double click and a few other things I forget [15:29] als the pointer speed is configurable (inc via linux) as is the option for primary button being left or right (again, in linux too) [15:31] does the middle button work as the X paste thing? (Is that still a thing these days?) [15:32] sorry, not familiar with x paste [15:35] at last I found some clues on the www [15:36] seems they are all being deleted faster than I can get to them though [15:36] it used to be that you could highlight a bit of text somwhere and then press middle mouse to paste it somewhere else (separate from the ctrl-c/ctrl-v clipboard) [15:36] but I've not used Ubuntu on a desktop in a couple of years, and so I don't know if it still runs X :-) [15:37] "It's important to note that Ubuntu considers a standard two button, scroll/click-wheel mouse to have five buttons. Each main button (left and right) count as one, the downward click on the wheel counts as another, and the up/down scrolling also count as one each (2+1+2=5). " [15:37] seems I am on the way to find out [15:40] my next clue "xinput - find your device in xinput list and run " [15:41] then 7 since most have back+forward too [15:42] couldn't be without those [15:42] 7 is doable, they say [15:42] on a former ubuntu page now only available via google cache [15:42] nah it's a common thing :) [15:46] "xinput list 10" gives me the five values [15:51] "xinput test 10" gives me feedback on which button is which (id=10 in my particular case). no response to middle click [15:53] rsponses to buttons 1,3,4,5,6,7 - so it's button 2 [16:01] {xinput set-button-map 10 2} doesn't seem to work however I can alter left click with {xinput set-button-map 10 1} [16:17] trillian from original radio series of h2g2 has died... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-33841383 [16:18] trisha macmillan, yes. [16:19] tricia* === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [16:30] zmoylan-pi: :-( [16:34] zmoylan-pi: I'd blame the bugblatter beast of trall [16:35] never leave home without your towel... === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [16:36] * brobostigon liked arthur trying to teach a neanderthal scrabble. [16:39] yes, you've got it, six times nine.... [16:39] * penguin42 does have the CDs of the 1st two series [16:39] and we learned the value of a good phone sanitizer... [16:40] payed in leaves. [16:40] fitted nasaly [17:01] m00rning [17:14] o hai [17:41] I _really_ need an ssd in here [17:41] it's painful [17:41] try to do something and have to wait minutes [17:42] where's that? [17:42] in my desktop [17:42] buy buy buy :D [17:42] indeed [17:45] *drool* http://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-2-5-Inch-Solid-State-Drive/dp/B00P738MUU/ref=sr_1_sc_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1439142221&sr=8-5-spell&keywords=sumsung+ssd [17:48] nice [17:48] diddledan: I use an SSD + a spinny; OS and /home on the SSD, other big stuff on the spinny [17:49] yeah, this'll be for the OS and every-day stuff. I've got a raid array for the archival of video (not illegal, honest) [17:49] I'll also be using the RAID for my floppy archive when I get around to doing that [17:50] I bought a kryoflux the other day for the floppies [17:50] http://kryoflux.com/ [17:50] I just need to wire it up [17:51] amiga floppies? [17:51] nah, dos [17:51] the kryo doesn't care tho - it'll do anything [17:51] can't you just read the DOS floppies under Linux ? [17:52] i noticed the windows 10 requirements page says you may have to go on windows update to get a driver for your floppy drive [17:52] :D [17:52] lol [17:52] an updated driver for your floppy drive?! [17:53] yeah there was a bit of rumour shortly before RTM-that-wasn't that win10 wouldn't support floppy at all [17:53] you mean they got to 2 weeks before release and someone 'cr*p we never wrote a floppy driver!' [17:53] penguin42: no, a driver in the first instance - win10 doesn't ship with a driver so you need to download it off winupdate [17:54] oh weird [17:54] XD [17:54] in fairness that's gonna be niche with any luck [17:54] diddledan: Hmm, that could give an interesting problem given that sometimes if you need to install early stage drivers you had them on ..... [17:54] yeah [17:58] penguin42: been able to use flash drives since Vista [17:58] ah [17:58] and cd/dvd [17:58] take the windows disk out and plop the driver disk in instead [17:59] then swap back once the drivers are loaded [17:59] i remember that in server 2003 though, i used a program to integrate them though so i didn't have to bother [17:59] yeah slipstreaming the installer is more difficult since vista tho [17:59] *nod* [18:00] the weird wim thingy ruined it [18:00] huge hassle, i was reading about putting USB3 drivers into 10 or 7 so i could boot from USB3 port and do crazy fast installs ;) [18:00] my USB 3 isn't working on my desktop [18:00] annoying the poo out of me [18:00] I really should moan at MS [18:00] o0 [18:01] intel or 3rd party controller? [18:01] it's an etron chip and windows loads the drivers correctly but it doesn't detect either of my two disks [18:02] out of curiosity does Linux work on the same hardware? [18:02] yes [18:02] a rarity :-) [18:03] there are a few bits of magic with USB, especially things like ports that are shared between USB3 and USB2 controllers [18:06] probably just need a better driver ;) [18:08] daftykins: Is it on a separate card or on the motherboard? If on the motherboard it might be worth checking for a bios update - there's some structures that I think tell drivers the relationship USB2 and USB3 controllers [18:10] tcf? :) [18:11] last bios update was 2013 [18:11] I think gigabyte have abandoned the mobo [18:11] ugh gigabyte :P [18:12] well, i can say I added an internal USB3 port to my m/c this week, worked fine on s/w on, no need to faff around with drivers [18:12] motorcycle? :P [18:13] machine [18:13] M/C hammer [18:13] odd notation [18:13] it was taught me in college so it is official [18:13] draw a circle around it [18:13] i humbly challenge that [18:14] I've never seen that designation either [18:14] there are some very location specific names [18:14] never heard that one [18:14] diddledan: i used most of my 7 or 8 drivers in my 10 installs XD [18:14] my gear is so old [18:14] yeah I'm gonna try the 8.1 driver [18:14] silly webcam shows the picture upside down on this laptop otherwise [18:14] daftykins: If i can fire up my time m/c, i'll gladly show you [18:14] lol [18:14] that's a funky driver issue! [18:14] time motorcycle 8D [18:15] you should have kept it [18:15] i'd have had to field some terrible jokes about "am i in Australia" [18:15] just tell people you're in australia when using it [18:15] dynf [18:15] XD [18:18] grr gigabyte motherboards [18:18] wouldn't touch them now [18:19] what did they do to you? [18:20] I'm gonna reboob [18:20] brb [18:21] that's probably a freudian slip... :-) [18:24] daftykins: "gigabyte hybrid efi" [18:25] ah [18:25] a cut-down, low-quality 64-bit efi emulator running on top of their existing 16-bit bioses. [18:25] :D [18:25] it... worked poorly [18:26] daftykins: Here you go ol' sport - https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=oeISZarBe00C&pg=PA427&lpg=PA427&dq=symbols+of+mechanical+engineering+m/c&source=bl&ots=Ng-NVFzfDm&sig=y2nhp0N4D6xnL74qwyo11OAtYlE&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CCIQ6AEwAGoVChMIj_TP_c-cxwIV7AfbCh3QCwZD#v=onepage&q=symbols%20of%20mechanical%20engineering%20m%2Fc&f=false [18:27] hmm nope [18:28] well it's in there, in emblazened in yellow [18:29] challenge accepted and met [18:36] probably old, dunno :) [18:36] * daftykins didn't look [18:41] and back [18:41] directhex: yeah this board has that hybrid turd [18:41] it does not work [18:41] turn it off [18:41] do not try to efi boot that thing [18:41] my dad was lucky, there was a beta replacement true uefi firmware available [18:42] where'd that appear? [18:42] I might go a hunting [18:43] Gb site [19:43] win10 ninjacat goes moving: http://imgur.com/a/emHj1 === zmoylan-1i is now known as zmoylan-pi [19:45] ._. [19:45] and win10 finally removes clippy: https://tsil0g.dm2302.livefilestore.com/y3pgcHd9awPYIJrBsqVNBeepnymwDRzs1Bfflddp9ZpUX8ANnpwPZjEyE8MescvtZL0OkgEwrto5NmzcXaF8jrcRie2Nw050JokkGUNi0mewK11ODYSRUb1VWu29c_cHogs_tzr9EhBEFwkd3bcyA_Rbg/NCTClippy-highres.jpg?psid=1 [19:45] you'll have to pay to bring back clippy... :-) [19:45] \o/ [19:46] zmoylan-pi: it'll be a required upgrade, too [19:46] any one who does pay will be removed from society to a place that they can get the treatment they need :-P [19:46] didn't we do that with the psychotics? [19:47] asylums don't exist no more 'cos we do "care in the community" now [19:47] or house of lords as ye lot call it :-P [19:48] hmm, my mac has lost the cursor [19:48] I can see hover-states activating but there's no arrow [19:48] aha, clicking on the menu has brought it back [19:51] diddledan: I miss the asylums, you had a concentrated staff of professionals and all the facilities at hand, to boot. [19:51] Nokaji: they weren't nice places tho [19:51] Nokaji: modern psychiatric units are much nicer [19:52] they weren't nice places but dumping those folk into cold uncaring community isn't nice either [19:52] diddledan: Tey were fraught with problems but so is the current system. They sold it by putting a select few people in luxury accomodation with all the care they needed but all that ofc tailed off. [19:52] zmoylan-pi: true, psychiatric care in the community is a bit of a trade-off - it's cheaper but means that people get neglected [19:53] My theory is that the current populace is so dumb, why bother separating them? [19:53] full-disclosure: I've been in-patient several times [19:53] <-- nutjob [19:54] :-p [19:54] Not that i feel compelled to disclose anything however, I've been a carer [19:54] we could give people that pay to bring back clippy a ticket to colonise mars [19:54] I could prolly go on making disclosure but what's the point [19:55] zleap: I hope we do colonise mars [19:55] yeah [19:55] nah, we might want mars one day. drop them on io [19:55] zleap: so then a future arnie can get his ass to mars [19:56] terminator : colonize [20:05] i'd be happy with just a moon base [20:05] yeah [20:05] the nazis beat us there tho [20:06] ok [20:06] good movie [20:06] what movie is that [20:06] indeed [20:06] loved it [20:06] zleap: iron sky [20:06] ah [20:06] watch it zleap [20:06] ok [20:06] zleap: it's on netflix [20:06] ah ok [20:07] renate is cool [20:10] k [20:21] i am trying to add an option to a note pad program created in tkinter / python and am really stuck [20:22] http://pygments.org/docs/quickstart/#example === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [21:29] http://www.engadget.com/2015/08/08/intel-memory-sinkhole-flaw/ [21:29] sounds bad [21:33] eep [21:34] it's all microsofts fault... somehow... give me a minute... i'll work out how... :-) [21:35] it'll all hinge on it been a chinese motherboard... [21:38] how do you get chi knees?