| Unit193 | knome: Please to check listadmin. | 00:01 |
|---|---|---|
| knome | which one? :P | 00:01 |
| Unit193 | floppies on -users, other crap on -devel. | 00:02 |
| knome | yeah... | 00:02 |
| knome | i've been watching those. | 00:02 |
| Unit193 | !info listadmin | 00:02 |
| ubottu | listadmin (source: listadmin): command line mailman moderator queue manipulation. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.40-4 (wily), package size 31 kB, installed size 124 kB | 00:02 |
| knome | nah. | 00:11 |
| knome | ok, sleepytime | 00:28 |
| knome | nighty! | 00:28 |
| bluesabre | evening all | 02:30 |
| bluesabre | menulibre 2.0.7 released https://launchpad.net/menulibre/+milestone/2.0.7 | 02:44 |
| Unit193 | Logan: Not alive right? | 03:40 |
| Logan | hi | 03:41 |
| Unit193 | \o/ | 03:41 |
| Unit193 | Care to sync virtualbox-ext-pack from exp? | 03:41 |
| Logan | sure | 03:42 |
| Unit193 | Yey! | 03:42 |
| Unit193 | Danke. | 03:42 |
| Logan | bitte' | 03:43 |
| bluesabre | oh hey Unit193 | 03:56 |
| bluesabre | safe to assume pinentry-gtk2 needs to be in core? | 03:57 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: pinentry-gnome3 is pulled in now. | 04:27 |
| Unit193 | Are we switching to -gtk2? | 04:27 |
| bluesabre | it seemed like that might be preferable, or do we care? | 04:27 |
| Unit193 | * Temporarily (until Debian bug #791411 is fixed) allow other pinentry | 04:28 |
| Unit193 | methods to satisfy our dependency. | 04:28 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 791411 in calibre-bin "calibre-bin: Calibre disappears" [Important,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/791411 | 04:28 |
| Unit193 | If we can, I'd say -gtk2 yeah. | 04:29 |
| bluesabre | I'll go ahead and swap that in tomorrow. While xfce is predominantly gtk2, I think we'd be better with that | 04:30 |
| Unit193 | I love the GNOME response: No, we want pinentry-gnome3 for GNOME, since only that provides a proper | 04:31 |
| Unit193 | UI/replacement for the builtin prompter. | 04:31 |
| bluesabre | :) | 04:32 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: If you want -gnome3, then do nothing. If you want gtk2, then add that. | 04:33 |
| bluesabre | right | 04:34 |
| bluesabre | I got that | 04:34 |
| bluesabre | :D | 04:34 |
| Unit193 | (Recommends of course, if you do. :P ) | 04:36 |
| Unit193 | OK, great. | 04:36 |
| bluesabre | mhm | 04:36 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: xfpanel-switch in -staging, experimental panel building in my ppa https://launchpad.net/~bluesabre/+archive/ubuntu/experimental | 04:37 |
| bluesabre | going to test it in the morning with a vm | 04:37 |
| bluesabre | installing the panel from today messed all sorts of things up | 04:37 |
| bluesabre | :) | 04:37 |
| bluesabre | tired | 04:37 |
| bluesabre | night all | 04:38 |
| Unit193 | G'night. | 04:38 |
| Logan | Unit193: it's now in the new queue | 06:27 |
| knome | pleia2, feel free to drop sqlite stuff from the server, it's not needed any more | 08:25 |
| knome | now i just need to figure out why the new cron stuff isn't running :D | 08:27 |
| knome | oh, right... | 08:28 |
| * knome facepalms | 08:28 | |
| Unit193 | chronic is handy. | 08:28 |
| knome | no, it's a fail in includes | 08:28 |
| knome | i'm trying to include a file that doesn't exist... | 08:31 |
| knome | now it works nicely again | 08:31 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: did you send the latest version of the patch after your "aha" moment? | 12:10 |
| bluesabre | (doesn't seem to be working for me) | 12:12 |
| bluesabre | also of note... http://i.imgur.com/xgt0QWk.png | 12:14 |
| bluesabre | probably related, http://paste.ubuntu.com/12038986/ | 12:18 |
| knome | heh, there's something fishy going on | 12:21 |
| knome | i export the flyers as pdf | 12:22 |
| knome | and the a4 with text rendered as paths is 1.7MB while all the other exports are 650kBish | 12:22 |
| knome | yes, i also checked the partial exports, they are all "in line", no weird things there | 12:23 |
| bluesabre | sounds fun | 12:23 |
| knome | yep | 12:28 |
| knome | hah | 12:38 |
| knome | changing the pdf compiling lib doesn't help | 12:38 |
| * knome shrugs | 12:39 | |
| bluesabre | pffffffff | 12:41 |
| bluesabre | er | 12:41 |
| bluesabre | pdfffffffff | 12:41 |
| knome | hah | 12:42 |
| knome | i guess i could dump raw pdf output to files | 12:42 |
| knome | but meh | 12:42 |
| knome | really... | 12:42 |
| flocculant | afternoon | 12:51 |
| knome | hello flocculant | 12:52 |
| flocculant | hi knome | 12:52 |
| bluesabre | hey flocculant | 12:57 |
| flocculant | hi bluesabre :) just looking at ppa:bluesabre/experimental for panel | 12:58 |
| bluesabre | flocculant: don't use that one | 12:58 |
| bluesabre | it seems to be dead in the water | 12:58 |
| flocculant | ok :D | 12:58 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: poke | 12:58 |
| bluesabre | :D | 12:59 |
| flocculant | tried again this morning with the backup dooby - still get errors about things that aren't there - but which are | 12:59 |
| flocculant | also the close/save etc dialogues appear a bit dodgy here | 13:00 |
| bluesabre | those are "normal" gtk3 dialogs | 13:01 |
| knome | aka dodgy | 13:01 |
| bluesabre | can you paste the errors you're getting? | 13:01 |
| flocculant | well | 13:01 |
| flocculant | when I say dodgy I mean - they don't appear to work :p | 13:01 |
| bluesabre | oh | 13:01 |
| bluesabre | normal gtk3 to some degree ;) | 13:02 |
| flocculant | ha ha ha | 13:02 |
| flocculant | http://pastebin.com/uga4BfUT | 13:03 |
| flocculant | see FIleNotFoundErrror - then see it in the last command | 13:03 |
| knome | if you people just keep adding new work items, we'll never "get there"! | 13:04 |
| bluesabre | I'm trying to not add new ones | 13:04 |
| bluesabre | aha | 13:05 |
| bluesabre | flocculant: I see the issue | 13:05 |
| bluesabre | /.config/xfce4/panel/launcher-2/14391034521.desktop | 13:05 |
| bluesabre | that does not exist | 13:05 |
| bluesabre | ~/.config/xfce4/panel/launcher-2/14391034521.desktop | 13:05 |
| bluesabre | does | 13:05 |
| bluesabre | right? | 13:05 |
| flocculant | ... didn't see the missing ~ | 13:07 |
| bluesabre | :) | 13:08 |
| bluesabre | I'll look into fixing that shortly | 13:08 |
| flocculant | ok | 13:08 |
| bluesabre | trying to kill off tasks today | 13:08 |
| flocculant | seems to be working - more or less now too | 13:08 |
| bluesabre | knome: is there anything particularly "wrong" about rearranging the work items on the blueprint? | 13:09 |
| bluesabre | like, into TODO, INPROGRESS, BLOCKED, DONE, POSTPONED | 13:10 |
| flocculant | small point - Save config button - dialogue - save config button for new panel - once you're finished - there's not a way to close that - other than X | 13:10 |
| flocculant | also Cancel - and I would expect that dialogue to close for me | 13:10 |
| bluesabre | yeah, there's probably tons more usability issues with that app | 13:14 |
| bluesabre | pushed it out quickly | 13:14 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: I'll pay about with it a make a list of what I see that seems odd | 13:14 |
| flocculant | a/pay/play | 13:14 |
| flocculant | s even | 13:14 |
| bluesabre | flocculant: thanks! | 13:14 |
| bluesabre | not going to get to xfce4-keyboard-overlay this cycle... if ever | 13:15 |
| flocculant | uninstalled the panel switch from yesterday - installed the one from staging | 13:18 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: is that better to use than the bzr method ochosi pointed at? | 13:20 |
| knome | bluesabre, no, that would likely be a better order anyway | 13:21 |
| knome | bluesabre, would you like the email reminders? | 13:25 |
| bluesabre | knome: yes please | 13:26 |
| knome | daily or weekly? | 13:26 |
| bluesabre | flocculant: yeah, I just hadn't packaged it until last night | 13:26 |
| bluesabre | knome: daily please | 13:26 |
| knome | bluesabre, ok, you're set up! | 13:27 |
| knome | bluesabre, and the status order should now be what you proposed | 13:28 |
| bluesabre | knome, cool, thanks | 13:29 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: ok - just sorting a mail for testers | 13:30 |
| knome | flocculant, you fancy reminder emails? | 13:30 |
| flocculant | not currently - I'm on top of blueprint | 13:30 |
| knome | ok ;) | 13:30 |
| flocculant | or at least know what's there :D | 13:30 |
| knome | just poke me if you need them later | 13:30 |
| flocculant | knome: does the mail just go for things not started? | 13:31 |
| knome | it sends a list of all your (not your teams') work items that are TODO, INPROGRESS or BLOCKED | 13:31 |
| flocculant | mmk | 13:32 |
| knome | how i see it, it's not just a nag about "get these done", it's also a reminder to close the open work items | 13:33 |
| flocculant | :) | 13:33 |
| bluesabre | knome: thanks for the new order, I was actually suggesting rearranging the blueprint itself around (for dev), that won't break anything, right? | 13:33 |
| knome | ahhh | 13:34 |
| knome | no, not at all | 13:34 |
| bluesabre | cool | 13:34 |
| knome | fwiw, it's just a blob of text that is parsed by the tracker | 13:34 |
| knome | fortunately, LP does the nagging about wrong syntax | 13:34 |
| knome | so i can just take it, split it into lines and then to db columns | 13:35 |
| bluesabre | cool | 13:35 |
| knome | (yeah, since it's a blob, every time i'm pulling it, i'm removing the old rows and adding the new ones...) | 13:35 |
| bluesabre | much cleaner, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-w-development | 13:35 |
| * knome shrugs | 13:36 | |
| knome | tbh, with the new tracker, i barely even look at the LP work item boxes | 13:36 |
| knome | i just go edit it there | 13:36 |
| bluesabre | yeah | 13:36 |
| bluesabre | the new tracker is super nice | 13:36 |
| * knome bows | 13:36 | |
| knome | i'm happy it's useful for other people too | 13:36 |
| bluesabre | I've been motivated by it and been trying to get things done | 13:36 |
| knome | haha, yes, that's what the rationale for the burndown is ;) | 13:37 |
| flocculant | knome: reminder to reply to https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2015-August/010843.html | 13:38 |
| knome | flocculant, thanks | 13:38 |
| knome | i'll go do that now | 13:38 |
| bluesabre | bbiab, gotta go get groceries | 13:41 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: cya another day if I've wandered off | 13:42 |
| knome | flocculant, ok, replied | 13:44 |
| knome | now, lunch-dinner | 13:44 |
| flocculant | good reminder - I'm ravenous | 13:44 |
| flocculant | knome: thanks for reply | 13:45 |
| flocculant | knome pleia2 - if I could have the daily image mail sociall mediaed that'd be good :) | 13:47 |
| knome | tweeted | 13:57 |
| knome | hmph, the status for the bug entries isn't shown | 14:08 |
| knome | i'll look at that later today or tomorrow | 14:11 |
| knome | i'm off | 14:12 |
| knome | hf and ttyl | 14:12 |
| bluesabre | seeya knome | 14:38 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/+bug/1473952 :) | 14:58 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1473952 in ubuntustudio-meta (Ubuntu) "Choose preferred pinentry method" [Undecided,New] | 14:58 |
| bluesabre | knome: and yeah, the tracker will look even nicer when fixed bugs are crossed off :) | 15:00 |
| bluesabre | almost there... today's image has elementary and human libreoffice themes | 15:45 |
| bluesabre | yesterday we also had galaxy | 15:45 |
| bluesabre | elementary is default, so we're doing pretty well there | 15:47 |
| bluesabre | suppose the next step is getting to be an alternative on the libreoffice packages | 15:50 |
| pleia2 | knome: that was quick :) removing sqlite3 stuff now | 15:51 |
| pleia2 | woo, and tracker still works | 15:52 |
| bluesabre | :D | 15:55 |
| pleia2 | flocculant: fb and g+ done | 15:57 |
| pleia2 | knome: I'm going to remove the linkedin link from the website | 15:58 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: \o/ | 16:55 |
| flocculant | pleia2: much obliged | 17:47 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: that looks like fun. actually i sent you the last version, after my a-ha moment, the one that worked for me. | 18:50 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: also, i built my patch on xfce4-panel git master, maybe that's part of the problem | 18:51 |
| ochosi | bbl | 18:56 |
| pleia2 | tracker site makes me happy :) | 19:28 |
| knome | pleia2, yep, go ahead | 20:17 |
| ochosi | pleia2: +1 | 20:25 |
| knome | hhheeey, now bugs can be WIP/DONE in tracker | 20:31 |
| * knome went and fixed a minor bug | 20:31 | |
| ochosi | burndown is looking better again | 20:44 |
| knome | yep | 20:44 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: maybe you can re-try my patch with git master in your wily vbox | 20:45 |
| ochosi | otherwise i can also look at the panel patches we ship | 20:45 |
| ochosi | knome: i'm not sure how to make sense of that yet or how to present it, but linking up workitems to deadlines would be nice | 20:45 |
| ochosi | like everything in -artwork > UIF | 20:46 |
| ochosi | and some things in -dev > FF | 20:46 |
| knome | right... | 20:46 |
| ochosi | maybe in terms of email reminders | 20:48 |
| knome | but if it's just for the email reminders, then i'm not sure if it's worth it to figure that out | 20:48 |
| ochosi | yeah | 20:50 |
| ochosi | true that | 20:50 |
| ochosi | bbabl | 20:50 |
| knome | ok, there's a bit wiser algorithm for bug status assignment | 21:37 |
| knome | 1) if statuses for all bugs are 'Fix Released', the status is 'DONE' | 21:37 |
| knome | 2) if status for *any* bug is 'Fix Released', 'Fix Committed', or 'In Progress', the status is 'INPROGRESS' | 21:38 |
| knome | 3) if neither of the above statements are true, the status is 'TODO' | 21:38 |
| knome | (eg. triaged bugs do not count...) | 21:39 |
| ochosi | sounds good to me | 21:39 |
| knome | the rationale for requiring 'Fix Released' for all tasks/linked items is that we care about upstream too | 21:40 |
| knome | though i think bug watches aren't in this task list | 21:40 |
| knome | and i don't think it still works completely | 21:41 |
| knome | but i'll look into it, and that's my goal anyway | 21:41 |
| knome | hmm right, there was some weird glitch | 21:43 |
| knome | it works now without code changes, as i expected | 21:43 |
| knome | so, for posterity | 21:43 |
| knome | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/menulibre/+bug/1313682 | 21:43 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1313682 in menulibre (Ubuntu) "Can't hide entries sourced from /usr/share/applications/kde4/" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 21:43 |
| knome | is "INPROGRESS" | 21:43 |
| knome | another one: | 21:44 |
| knome | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-default-settings/+bug/1437180 | 21:44 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1437180 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Desktop Icons show on the install only desktop" [Medium,Triaged] | 21:44 |
| knome | is "TODO" | 21:44 |
| knome | ochosi, how should we handle "Opinion", "Invalid", and "Won't Fix"? | 21:46 |
| knome | to me it would make sense to ignore those, eg. if there's a bug with 2 tasks; one is fix released and another is any of those, then it should be 'DONE', right? | 21:46 |
| * ochosi is a little distracted by having to kill mosquitos | 21:47 | |
| ochosi | invalid/wontfix > done imo | 21:47 |
| ochosi | opinion feels more open | 21:47 |
| knome | really? | 21:47 |
| knome | "Doesn't fit with the project, but can be discussed." | 21:48 |
| knome | and yeah | 21:48 |
| knome | if there are only invalid/wontfix statuses, should the bug just not be listed at all? | 21:48 |
| ochosi | well invalid and wontfix don't sound like "can be discussed" | 21:48 |
| knome | (i don't exactly know why we would link bugs like that, but...) | 21:48 |
| ochosi | we can also just unlink those | 21:48 |
| knome | heh | 21:49 |
| knome | now they show up as "TODO" | 21:49 |
| ochosi | but yeah, you could take them out of the equation | 21:49 |
| knome | it's easy enough | 21:49 |
| ochosi | to some extent, keeping them linked let's us remember what we tackled / touched per cycle | 21:49 |
| ochosi | so that's not totally useless | 21:49 |
| ochosi | but showing up as TODO is | 21:50 |
| knome | ok, those are handled now | 21:50 |
| knome | not that we have any... | 21:50 |
| knome | i'll keep "opinion" handling as "new" then | 21:50 |
| knome | eg. no difference | 21:50 |
| ochosi | k | 21:51 |
| knome | isn't that what you wanted? | 21:51 |
| ochosi | i'm ok with that | 21:51 |
| knome | well, i thought that was what you wanted | 21:52 |
| knome | you didn't want them to be not visible | 21:52 |
| knome | what else would they be? | 21:52 |
| ochosi | it's a bit too hot here to really *know* what i *want* ;) | 21:52 |
| knome | if there are only opinion statuses (considering wontfix and invalid aren't counted here any more), should be 'BLOCKED' ? | 21:52 |
| knome | i don't know, this starts going very meta | 21:53 |
| ochosi | heh, indeed | 21:53 |
| ochosi | i'm not even sure "opinion" is a very useful status as it is | 21:53 |
| knome | me neither | 21:53 |
| knome | maybe it's a consolation status when you want to say "wontfix", but want to be nice | 21:54 |
| ochosi | heh | 21:55 |
| ochosi | yeah | 21:55 |
| knome | off to bed, nighty | 22:31 |
| ochosi | night knome | 22:32 |
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