[00:01] <Unit193> knome: Please to check listadmin.
[00:01] <knome> which one? :P
[00:02] <Unit193> floppies on -users, other crap on -devel.
[00:02] <knome> yeah...
[00:02] <knome> i've been watching those.
[00:02] <Unit193> !info listadmin
[00:02] <ubottu> listadmin (source: listadmin): command line mailman moderator queue manipulation. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.40-4 (wily), package size 31 kB, installed size 124 kB
[00:11] <knome> nah.
[00:28] <knome> ok, sleepytime
[00:28] <knome> nighty!
[02:30] <bluesabre> evening all
[02:44] <bluesabre> menulibre 2.0.7 released https://launchpad.net/menulibre/+milestone/2.0.7
[03:40] <Unit193> Logan: Not alive right?
[03:41] <Logan> hi
[03:41] <Unit193> \o/
[03:41] <Unit193> Care to sync virtualbox-ext-pack from exp?
[03:42] <Logan> sure
[03:42] <Unit193> Yey!
[03:42] <Unit193> Danke.
[03:43] <Logan> bitte'
[03:56] <bluesabre> oh hey Unit193 
[03:57] <bluesabre> safe to assume pinentry-gtk2 needs to be in core?
[04:27] <Unit193> bluesabre: pinentry-gnome3 is pulled in now.
[04:27] <Unit193> Are we switching to -gtk2?
[04:27] <bluesabre> it seemed like that might be preferable, or do we care?
[04:28] <Unit193>   * Temporarily (until Debian bug #791411 is fixed) allow other pinentry
[04:28] <Unit193>     methods to satisfy our dependency.
[04:28] <ubottu> Debian bug 791411 in calibre-bin "calibre-bin: Calibre disappears" [Important,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/791411
[04:29] <Unit193> If we can, I'd say -gtk2 yeah.
[04:30] <bluesabre> I'll go ahead and swap that in tomorrow.  While xfce is predominantly gtk2, I think we'd be better with that
[04:31] <Unit193> I love the GNOME response: No, we want pinentry-gnome3 for GNOME, since only that provides a proper
[04:31] <Unit193> UI/replacement for the builtin prompter.
[04:32] <bluesabre> :)
[04:33] <Unit193> bluesabre: If you want -gnome3, then do nothing.  If you want gtk2, then add that.
[04:34] <bluesabre> right
[04:34] <bluesabre> I got that
[04:34] <bluesabre> :D
[04:36] <Unit193> (Recommends of course, if you do. :P )
[04:36] <Unit193> OK, great.
[04:36] <bluesabre> mhm
[04:37] <bluesabre> ochosi: xfpanel-switch in -staging, experimental panel building in my ppa https://launchpad.net/~bluesabre/+archive/ubuntu/experimental
[04:37] <bluesabre> going to test it in the morning with a vm
[04:37] <bluesabre> installing the panel from today messed all sorts of things up
[04:37] <bluesabre> :)
[04:37] <bluesabre> tired
[04:38] <bluesabre> night all
[04:38] <Unit193> G'night.
[06:27] <Logan> Unit193: it's now in the new queue
[08:25] <knome> pleia2, feel free to drop sqlite stuff from the server, it's not needed any more
[08:27] <knome> now i just need to figure out why the new cron stuff isn't running :D
[08:28] <knome> oh, right...
[08:28]  * knome facepalms
[08:28] <Unit193> chronic is handy.
[08:28] <knome> no, it's a fail in includes
[08:31] <knome> i'm trying to include a file that doesn't exist...
[08:31] <knome> now it works nicely again
[12:10] <bluesabre> ochosi: did you send the latest version of the patch after your "aha" moment?
[12:12] <bluesabre> (doesn't seem to be working for me)
[12:14] <bluesabre> also of note... http://i.imgur.com/xgt0QWk.png
[12:18] <bluesabre> probably related, http://paste.ubuntu.com/12038986/
[12:21] <knome> heh, there's something fishy going on
[12:22] <knome> i export the flyers as pdf
[12:22] <knome> and the a4 with text rendered as paths is 1.7MB while all the other exports are 650kBish
[12:23] <knome> yes, i also checked the partial exports, they are all "in line", no weird things there
[12:23] <bluesabre> sounds fun
[12:28] <knome> yep
[12:38] <knome> hah
[12:38] <knome> changing the pdf compiling lib doesn't help
[12:39]  * knome shrugs
[12:41] <bluesabre> pffffffff
[12:41] <bluesabre> er
[12:41] <bluesabre> pdfffffffff
[12:42] <knome> hah
[12:42] <knome> i guess i could dump raw pdf output to files
[12:42] <knome> but meh
[12:42] <knome> really...
[12:51] <flocculant> afternoon
[12:52] <knome> hello flocculant 
[12:52] <flocculant> hi knome 
[12:57] <bluesabre> hey flocculant 
[12:58] <flocculant> hi bluesabre :) just looking at ppa:bluesabre/experimental for panel 
[12:58] <bluesabre> flocculant: don't use that one
[12:58] <bluesabre> it seems to be dead in the water
[12:58] <flocculant> ok :D
[12:58] <bluesabre> ochosi: poke
[12:59] <bluesabre> :D
[12:59] <flocculant> tried again this morning with the backup dooby - still get errors about things that aren't there - but which are 
[13:00] <flocculant> also the close/save etc dialogues appear a bit dodgy here 
[13:01] <bluesabre> those are "normal" gtk3 dialogs
[13:01] <knome> aka dodgy
[13:01] <bluesabre> can you paste the errors you're getting?
[13:01] <flocculant> well
[13:01] <flocculant> when I say dodgy I mean - they don't appear to work :p
[13:01] <bluesabre> oh
[13:02] <bluesabre> normal gtk3 to some degree ;)
[13:02] <flocculant> ha ha ha 
[13:03] <flocculant> http://pastebin.com/uga4BfUT
[13:03] <flocculant> see FIleNotFoundErrror - then see it in the last command 
[13:04] <knome> if you people just keep adding new work items, we'll never "get there"!
[13:04] <bluesabre> I'm trying to not add new ones
[13:05] <bluesabre> aha
[13:05] <bluesabre> flocculant: I see the issue
[13:05] <bluesabre> /.config/xfce4/panel/launcher-2/14391034521.desktop
[13:05] <bluesabre> that does not exist
[13:05] <bluesabre> ~/.config/xfce4/panel/launcher-2/14391034521.desktop
[13:05] <bluesabre> does
[13:05] <bluesabre> right?
[13:07] <flocculant> ... didn't see the missing ~ 
[13:08] <bluesabre> :)
[13:08] <bluesabre> I'll look into fixing that shortly
[13:08] <flocculant> ok 
[13:08] <bluesabre> trying to kill off tasks today
[13:08] <flocculant> seems to be working - more or less now too 
[13:09] <bluesabre> knome: is there anything particularly "wrong" about rearranging the work items on the blueprint?
[13:10] <bluesabre> like, into TODO, INPROGRESS, BLOCKED, DONE, POSTPONED
[13:10] <flocculant> small point - Save config button - dialogue - save config button for new panel - once you're finished - there's not a way to close that - other than X
[13:10] <flocculant> also Cancel - and I would expect that dialogue to close for me
[13:14] <bluesabre> yeah, there's probably tons more usability issues with that app
[13:14] <bluesabre> pushed it out quickly
[13:14] <flocculant> bluesabre: I'll pay about with it a make a list of what I see that seems odd
[13:14] <flocculant> a/pay/play
[13:14] <flocculant> s even 
[13:14] <bluesabre> flocculant: thanks!
[13:15] <bluesabre> not going to get to xfce4-keyboard-overlay this cycle... if ever
[13:18] <flocculant> uninstalled the panel switch from yesterday - installed the one from staging
[13:20] <flocculant> bluesabre: is that better to use than the bzr method ochosi pointed at? 
[13:21] <knome> bluesabre, no, that would likely be a better order anyway
[13:25] <knome> bluesabre, would you like the email reminders?
[13:26] <bluesabre> knome: yes please
[13:26] <knome> daily or weekly?
[13:26] <bluesabre> flocculant: yeah, I just hadn't packaged it until last night
[13:26] <bluesabre> knome: daily please
[13:27] <knome> bluesabre, ok, you're set up!
[13:28] <knome> bluesabre, and the status order should now be what you proposed
[13:29] <bluesabre> knome, cool, thanks
[13:30] <flocculant> bluesabre: ok - just sorting a mail for testers
[13:30] <knome> flocculant, you fancy reminder emails?
[13:30] <flocculant> not currently - I'm on top of blueprint 
[13:30] <knome> ok ;)
[13:30] <flocculant> or at least know what's there :D
[13:30] <knome> just poke me if you need them later
[13:31] <flocculant> knome: does the mail just go for things not started? 
[13:31] <knome> it sends a list of all your (not your teams') work items that are TODO, INPROGRESS or BLOCKED
[13:32] <flocculant> mmk
[13:33] <knome> how i see it, it's not just a nag about "get these done", it's also a reminder to close the open work items
[13:33] <flocculant> :)
[13:33] <bluesabre> knome: thanks for the new order, I was actually suggesting rearranging the blueprint itself around (for dev), that won't break anything, right?
[13:34] <knome> ahhh
[13:34] <knome> no, not at all
[13:34] <bluesabre> cool
[13:34] <knome> fwiw, it's just a blob of text that is parsed by the tracker
[13:34] <knome> fortunately, LP does the nagging about wrong syntax
[13:35] <knome> so i can just take it, split it into lines and then to db columns
[13:35] <bluesabre> cool
[13:35] <knome> (yeah, since it's a blob, every time i'm pulling it, i'm removing the old rows and adding the new ones...)
[13:35] <bluesabre> much cleaner, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-w-development
[13:36]  * knome shrugs
[13:36] <knome> tbh, with the new tracker, i barely even look at the LP work item boxes
[13:36] <knome> i just go edit it there
[13:36] <bluesabre> yeah
[13:36] <bluesabre> the new tracker is super nice
[13:36]  * knome bows
[13:36] <knome> i'm happy it's useful for other people too
[13:36] <bluesabre> I've been motivated by it and been trying to get things done
[13:37] <knome> haha, yes, that's what the rationale for the burndown is ;)
[13:38] <flocculant> knome: reminder to reply to https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2015-August/010843.html
[13:38] <knome> flocculant, thanks
[13:38] <knome> i'll go do that now
[13:41] <bluesabre> bbiab, gotta go get groceries
[13:42] <flocculant> bluesabre: cya another day if I've wandered off
[13:44] <knome> flocculant, ok, replied
[13:44] <knome> now, lunch-dinner
[13:44] <flocculant> good reminder - I'm ravenous 
[13:45] <flocculant> knome: thanks for reply
[13:47] <flocculant> knome pleia2 - if I could have the daily image mail sociall mediaed that'd be good :)
[13:57] <knome> tweeted
[14:08] <knome> hmph, the status for the bug entries isn't shown
[14:11] <knome> i'll look at that later today or tomorrow
[14:12] <knome> i'm off
[14:12] <knome> hf and ttyl
[14:38] <bluesabre> seeya knome
[14:58] <bluesabre> Unit193: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/+bug/1473952 :)
[14:58] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1473952 in ubuntustudio-meta (Ubuntu) "Choose preferred pinentry method" [Undecided,New]
[15:00] <bluesabre> knome: and yeah, the tracker will look even nicer when fixed bugs are crossed off :)
[15:45] <bluesabre> almost there... today's image has elementary and human libreoffice themes
[15:45] <bluesabre> yesterday we also had galaxy
[15:47] <bluesabre> elementary is default, so we're doing pretty well there
[15:50] <bluesabre> suppose the next step is getting to be an alternative on the libreoffice packages
[15:51] <pleia2> knome: that was quick :) removing sqlite3 stuff now
[15:52] <pleia2> woo, and tracker still works
[15:55] <bluesabre> :D
[15:57] <pleia2> flocculant: fb and g+ done
[15:58] <pleia2> knome: I'm going to remove the linkedin link from the website
[16:55] <Unit193> bluesabre: \o/
[17:47] <flocculant> pleia2: much obliged
[18:50] <ochosi> bluesabre: that looks like fun. actually i sent you the last version, after my a-ha moment, the one that worked for me.
[18:51] <ochosi> bluesabre: also, i built my patch on xfce4-panel git master, maybe that's part of the problem
[18:56] <ochosi> bbl
[19:28] <pleia2> tracker site makes me happy :)
[20:17] <knome> pleia2, yep, go ahead
[20:25] <ochosi> pleia2: +1
[20:31] <knome> hhheeey, now bugs can be WIP/DONE in tracker
[20:31]  * knome went and fixed a minor bug
[20:44] <ochosi> burndown is looking better again
[20:44] <knome> yep
[20:45] <ochosi> bluesabre: maybe you can re-try my patch with git master in your wily vbox
[20:45] <ochosi> otherwise i can also look at the panel patches we ship
[20:45] <ochosi> knome: i'm not sure how to make sense of that yet or how to present it, but linking up workitems to deadlines would be nice
[20:46] <ochosi> like everything in -artwork > UIF
[20:46] <ochosi> and some things in -dev > FF
[20:46] <knome> right...
[20:48] <ochosi> maybe in terms of email reminders
[20:48] <knome> but if it's just for the email reminders, then i'm not sure if it's worth it to figure that out
[20:50] <ochosi> yeah
[20:50] <ochosi> true that
[20:50] <ochosi> bbabl
[21:37] <knome> ok, there's a bit wiser algorithm for bug status assignment
[21:37] <knome> 1) if statuses for all bugs are 'Fix Released', the status is 'DONE'
[21:38] <knome> 2) if status for *any* bug is 'Fix Released', 'Fix Committed', or 'In Progress', the status is 'INPROGRESS'
[21:38] <knome> 3) if neither of the above statements are true, the status is 'TODO'
[21:39] <knome> (eg. triaged bugs do not count...)
[21:39] <ochosi> sounds good to me
[21:40] <knome> the rationale for requiring 'Fix Released' for all tasks/linked items is that we care about upstream too
[21:40] <knome> though i think bug watches aren't in this task list
[21:41] <knome> and i don't think it still works completely
[21:41] <knome> but i'll look into it, and that's my goal anyway
[21:43] <knome> hmm right, there was some weird glitch
[21:43] <knome> it works now without code changes, as i expected
[21:43] <knome> so, for posterity
[21:43] <knome> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/menulibre/+bug/1313682
[21:43] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1313682 in menulibre (Ubuntu) "Can't hide entries sourced from /usr/share/applications/kde4/" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[21:43] <knome> is "INPROGRESS"
[21:44] <knome> another one:
[21:44] <knome> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-default-settings/+bug/1437180
[21:44] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1437180 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Desktop Icons show on the install only desktop" [Medium,Triaged]
[21:44] <knome> is "TODO"
[21:46] <knome> ochosi, how should we handle "Opinion", "Invalid", and "Won't Fix"?
[21:46] <knome> to me it would make sense to ignore those, eg. if there's a bug with 2 tasks; one is fix released and another is any of those, then it should be 'DONE', right?
[21:47]  * ochosi is a little distracted by having to kill mosquitos
[21:47] <ochosi> invalid/wontfix > done imo
[21:47] <ochosi> opinion feels more open
[21:47] <knome> really?
[21:48] <knome> "Doesn't fit with the project, but can be discussed."
[21:48] <knome> and yeah
[21:48] <knome> if there are only invalid/wontfix statuses, should the bug just not be listed at all?
[21:48] <ochosi> well invalid and wontfix don't sound like "can be discussed"
[21:48] <knome> (i don't exactly know why we would link bugs like that, but...)
[21:48] <ochosi> we can also just unlink those
[21:49] <knome> heh
[21:49] <knome> now they show up as "TODO"
[21:49] <ochosi> but yeah, you could take them out of the equation
[21:49] <knome> it's easy enough
[21:49] <ochosi> to some extent, keeping them linked let's us remember what we tackled / touched per cycle
[21:49] <ochosi> so that's not totally useless
[21:50] <ochosi> but showing up as TODO is
[21:50] <knome> ok, those are handled now
[21:50] <knome> not that we have any...
[21:50] <knome> i'll keep "opinion" handling as "new" then
[21:50] <knome> eg. no difference
[21:51] <ochosi> k
[21:51] <knome> isn't that what you wanted?
[21:51] <ochosi> i'm ok with that
[21:52] <knome> well, i thought that was what you wanted
[21:52] <knome> you didn't want them to be not visible
[21:52] <knome> what else would they be?
[21:52] <ochosi> it's a bit too hot here to really *know* what i *want* ;)
[21:52] <knome> if there are only opinion statuses (considering wontfix and invalid aren't counted here any more), should be 'BLOCKED' ?
[21:53] <knome> i don't know, this starts going very meta
[21:53] <ochosi> heh, indeed
[21:53] <ochosi> i'm not even sure "opinion" is a very useful status as it is
[21:53] <knome> me neither
[21:54] <knome> maybe it's a consolation status when you want to say "wontfix", but want to be nice
[21:55] <ochosi> heh
[21:55] <ochosi> yeah
[22:31] <knome> off to bed, nighty
[22:32] <ochosi> night knome