| === chriadam|away is now known as chriadam | ||
| wolflarson | installing ubuntu touch now :) | 01:19 |
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| === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun | ||
| === ara_ is now known as ara | ||
| dholbach | good morning | 07:33 |
| Nakul | Hi | 08:22 |
| Nakul | I have recently upgraded from 12.04 LTS to 14.04 LTS and I am not able to login to my desktop | 08:23 |
| zzarr | desktop/laptop machine? | 08:24 |
| Nakul | laptop machine | 08:25 |
| === faenil is now known as faenil_ | ||
| Nakul | I have tried all the methods as provided to resolve this issue on http://askubuntu.com/ | 08:25 |
| Nakul | nothing has worked | 08:25 |
| Nakul | I am able to login to TTY | 08:26 |
| zzarr | is it just the graphical login that's not working or can't you login at all? | 08:26 |
| Nakul | graphical login only | 08:27 |
| Nakul | terminal login is working fine | 08:27 |
| zzarr | I think you're in the wrong channel, I think #ubuntu is better for you | 08:28 |
| zzarr | this channel is for Ubuntu Touch | 08:29 |
| Nakul | ok | 08:29 |
| Nakul | thanks by the way | 08:29 |
| zzarr | np :) | 08:29 |
| mcphail | Is there a roadmap to getting video chatting in place on the phone? What would be the likely direction? WebRTC? | 08:42 |
| ogra_ | mcphail, yeah, webrtc | 08:46 |
| mcphail | ogra_: is there already support in the browser? I was wondering if it would be a simple matter of giving browser access to the camera? | 08:46 |
| mcphail | (or webapp) | 08:47 |
| ogra_ | no, there isnt ... first of all it needs trust-prompt/trust-session integration | 08:47 |
| ogra_ | then oxide needs to learn to manage hw devices | 08:47 |
| ogra_ | probably oSoMoN knows where that stands, there is definitely work going on to implement it | 08:48 |
| mcphail | ogra_: ok - chromium is capable, isn't it? | 08:48 |
| * mcphail just wonders how much is baked in already | 08:49 | |
| mcphail | cheers ogra_ | 08:49 |
| ogra_ | chromium isnt oxide ;) | 08:49 |
| mcphail | ogra_: i know | 08:49 |
| * svij gets ready for another "Ubuntu Phone Insider" hangout… :) | 08:59 | |
| popey | oooh | 09:00 |
| JamesTait | Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy Lion Day! 😃 | 09:04 |
| svij | oh no sturmflut2 is back. | 09:09 |
| sturmflut2 | In all his glory! | 09:09 |
| === faenil_ is now known as faenil | ||
| nhaines | svij: aww, I'm jealous. :P | 09:12 |
| svij | nhaines: it's about india :P | 09:13 |
| svij | who cares about the us anyway *scnr* | 09:14 |
| nhaines | svij: Still sounds interesting! | 09:16 |
| patrick__ | i kan not zo good englichnbut i try | 09:16 |
| patrick__ | i have a quest voor the htc hd2 vor ubuntu touch | 09:17 |
| * popey looks for Dutch speakers | 09:17 | |
| patrick__ | is er iemant die nederlands kan dat gaat wat sneller | 09:19 |
| svij | yay a boolywood scope :D | 09:26 |
| svij | uh oh they're meeting with whatsapp guys. Nothing to announce yet | 09:36 |
| oSoMoN | mcphail, ogra_: this is work in progress, see bug #1410996 | 09:36 |
| ubot5 | bug 1410996 in webbrowser-app (Ubuntu) "Add WebView.mediaAccessPermissionRequested API" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1410996 | 09:36 |
| ogra_ | thx ! | 09:36 |
| nhaines | svij: I'll alert Softpedia. "Whatsapp coming to Ubuntu this week. FACT." | 09:37 |
| svij | nhaines: haha | 09:37 |
| ogra_ | nhaines, thats lame ... "Ubuntu to be the OS of the new facebook phone, Whatsapp now included !" | 09:38 |
| ogra_ | thats better ;) | 09:39 |
| nhaines | Haha | 09:39 |
| svij | "no specific news about the us" | 09:50 |
| nhaines | I'll settle for broad generalities. | 09:52 |
| om26er | es | 09:57 |
| zbenjamin | ogra_: how can i disable the adb lock again without reflashing? | 10:06 |
| zzarr | hello! time for hard questions... but the situation first, I having a Meizu MX4 Ubuntu Edition | 10:09 |
| zzarr | I want to be able to run X applications on it, ogra_ suggested a chroot yesterday, which sound like an outstanding idea to me | 10:11 |
| zzarr | but how would I set it up? | 10:11 |
| === dragonkeeper1 is now known as Dragonkeeper | ||
| popey | you could use debootstrap to build a simple chroot. | 10:13 |
| popey | Not sure how you'd run x apps unless you used xmir | 10:13 |
| zzarr | popey: I want to use xmir | 10:15 |
| zzarr | but I don't know how | 10:15 |
| zzarr | I have installed the ppa version | 10:15 |
| popey | zzarr: sorry, I don't know either, never used xmir | 10:19 |
| zzarr | okey | 10:20 |
| guest42345 | zzarr, https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg12499.html | 10:21 |
| zzarr | what source should I use for debootstrap? | 10:21 |
| ogra_ | dont waste your time with debootstrap, use an ubuntu-core tarball ;) http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/daily/current/ | 10:23 |
| === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach | ||
| zzarr | thanks guest42345 | 10:24 |
| guest42345 | zzarr, you can also run android apps | 10:25 |
| zzarr | how do I run android apps? | 10:26 |
| zzarr | thanks ogra_ | 10:26 |
| zzarr | one thing... the mouse cursor is invisible when I connect a bt mouse | 10:30 |
| zzarr | (the ui transforms in to desktop mode) | 10:31 |
| popey | that's known. | 10:31 |
| zzarr | known fix? | 10:32 |
| ogra_ | and wanted :) | 10:32 |
| zzarr | mouse cursor on most wanted list? (is it a criminal?) | 10:32 |
| ogra_ | you attached a mouse, so desktop use is assumed | 10:32 |
| zzarr | yes, that I know and love | 10:33 |
| ogra_ | oh, the cursor, sorry misread | 10:33 |
| ogra_ | the fix will be in the next mir release afaik | 10:34 |
| zzarr | I understand that you can't give an exact date when that fix is released, but any idea? | 10:36 |
| ogra_ | before 16.04 :P | 10:40 |
| ogra_ | (kidding,... not idea :) ask #ubuntu-mir) | 10:40 |
| zzarr | yea :) | 10:40 |
| zzarr | I'm thinking about buying ASUS Chromebook Flip when the 4GB version arrives here, is it possible to install Ubuntu with Unity8 on it? | 10:52 |
| zzarr | (it's a unit transforming between laptop and tablet) | 10:52 |
| zzarr | sry ogra_ I ended up running a debootstrap in any way I want apt ;) | 10:54 |
| ogra_ | ? | 10:54 |
| zzarr | it was only snappy packages in the core | 10:54 |
| ogra_ | not in the tarball i linked | 10:54 |
| ogra_ | the snappy tarball is at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/daily-preinstalled/current/ | 10:55 |
| zzarr | I wanted vivid, so I browsed around a bit | 10:55 |
| ogra_ | the http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/daily/current/ is just the content of a "debootstrap --minbase" | 10:55 |
| zzarr | I must have done something wrong | 10:55 |
| zzarr | ohh.. I see, sorry for me being stupid :O | 10:56 |
| ogra_ | and the vivid release is http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/releases/vivid/release/ | 10:56 |
| ogra_ | fort the non-snappy tarball | 10:56 |
| zzarr | okey | 10:57 |
| zzarr | by the way, I'm thinking of buying a pcduino3 and touch-screen for a project, is it easy or hard to install a graphical interface on a snappy-core dist? | 10:59 |
| zzarr | it have a Mali400 GUPU | 10:59 |
| zzarr | GPU* | 10:59 |
| ogra_ | still rather hard, but we're working on it ;) | 11:00 |
| zzarr | okey | 11:00 |
| ogra_ | (there is no Mir framework snap yet, only some experimental hackery) | 11:00 |
| ogra_ | (and i only just released an RPi image that is even capable of running graphics at all, up to now we didnt have any arm HW that could even run a monitor) | 11:01 |
| zzarr | okey, I guess you're a skilled developer (you sound skilled) | 11:02 |
| ogra_ | well, according to my salary cheque i am skilled enough to fill my fridge with it :) | 11:04 |
| svij | ogra_: today I fooled myself "ohh ogra reshared an german ubuntu phone article, I wonder who wrote this… oh that was me." | 11:06 |
| ogra_ | nah, it was Mr. "guest author" (never met hom though) | 11:07 |
| ogra_ | *him | 11:07 |
| svij | :D | 11:07 |
| ogra_ | :) | 11:07 |
| zzarr | :) I'm a developer too, I can also fill my fridge :D | 11:08 |
| === chriadam is now known as chriadam|away | ||
| zzarr | is there a way to run android apps on Ubuntu Touch at the moment? | 11:10 |
| nhaines | No, and there are no such plans. | 11:11 |
| Guest82082 | yes | 11:11 |
| zzarr | Guest82082: how? | 11:11 |
| zzarr | nhaines: don't Canonical have a plan to make use of Android apps? | 11:13 |
| ogra_ | luckily not :) | 11:14 |
| Guest82082 | zzarr, https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg13705.html | 11:14 |
| nhaines | zzarr: nope. | 11:14 |
| zzarr | thanks Guest82082 :) | 11:15 |
| ogra_ | nobody holds you back to create a dalvik hack that works with Mir and ship that inside your click package though ;( | 11:15 |
| ogra_ | err | 11:15 |
| ogra_ | ;) | 11:15 |
| nhaines | I'm not sure about that mailing list entry. | 11:15 |
| nhaines | Step 1: break your phone. | 11:15 |
| Guest82082 | nhaines, zzarr is a developer | 11:16 |
| zzarr | okey, nhaines and ogra_ | 11:16 |
| ogra_ | well, following that clearly asks for re-flashing after you tried it | 11:16 |
| zzarr | I thought of that way yesterday, running Android apps in ARChon | 11:17 |
| Guest82082 | zzarr, you can also make the terminal app not suspend | 11:18 |
| zzarr | Guest82082: how? | 11:18 |
| Guest82082 | it's just a setting in gsettings | 11:18 |
| ogra_ | via even more hacks :) | 11:18 |
| zzarr | all the hacks :) | 11:19 |
| Guest82082 | zzarr, http://notyetthere.org/openstore-tweakgeek-and-more/ | 11:21 |
| zzarr | As much as I don't like Android apps I wish to use my banks app (it will take a while before it's ported to Ubuntu Touch) | 11:24 |
| ogra_ | i guess you are out of luck with that ... unless you plan to never upgrade your phone after you set it up | 11:26 |
| zzarr | if there's a solution now, there will be in the future ;) | 11:27 |
| ogra_ | i doubt that | 11:28 |
| zzarr | why? | 11:28 |
| ogra_ | there is no sane way to allow execution of android apps in our security model | 11:28 |
| zzarr | what about XMir, Chromium and ARChon? | 11:29 |
| ogra_ | even if you did go the "ship dalvik inside your click" way your app wouldnt have access to anything, missing the android system groups etc etc | 11:29 |
| ogra_ | the only way to make it run is the apt way which we will never officially support on phones | 11:29 |
| ogra_ | (since it works around all security) | 11:29 |
| zzarr | but XMir will be officially supported? | 11:30 |
| ogra_ | there might be a chance that someone eventually writes a snappy framework to run it inside a container or so and once the phones moved to snappy you could use that ... | 11:30 |
| ogra_ | but that woiuld still not give you access to HW | 11:31 |
| ogra_ | (or any other underlying system bits your app or the VM wants) | 11:31 |
| zzarr | true | 11:31 |
| ogra_ | also you wouldnt be able to actually use the input layer properly i guess | 11:31 |
| ogra_ | snappy will make all such things possible ... technically ... but that doesnt mean that your app will get along with that | 11:32 |
| zzarr | but the bank app I'm talking about only needs a internet connection | 11:32 |
| ogra_ | you would need transaltion layers everywhere | 11:33 |
| * svij wouldn't use banking apps on any phone anyway… | 11:34 | |
| zzarr | I'll have a look at ARChon later, maybe I can use some code from chromium and make my own app using webkit | 11:34 |
| zzarr | I don't see the harm in using it, it's very limited | 11:35 |
| ogra_ | uuh | 11:35 |
| ogra_ | that would become a gigantic click package ... if you ship webkit inside :) | 11:35 |
| ogra_ | (there is no webkit on the phone) | 11:35 |
| svij | whats the browser using then? | 11:35 |
| ogra_ | oxide | 11:36 |
| zzarr | what about "include Ubuntu.Webkit" in QML? | 11:36 |
| ogra_ | i dont think thats supported anymore | 11:36 |
| zzarr | okey | 11:36 |
| ogra_ | webkit was only there in the very early RTM images | 11:37 |
| svij | "An oxide /ˈɒksaɪd/ is a chemical compound that contains at least one oxygen atom and one other element[1] in its chemical formula." I see :D | 11:37 |
| ogra_ | https://launchpad.net/oxide | 11:39 |
| zzarr | yes, I think you know oxide if you think about it, when it iron oxide we call it rust ;) | 11:39 |
| svij | ogra_: I know ;) | 11:39 |
| popey | so blink | 11:39 |
| * ogra_ blinks | 11:40 | |
| ogra_ | always following popey's commands ;) | 11:40 |
| popey | :) | 11:40 |
| Guest82082 | zzarr, https://chromium.googlesource.com/arc/arc/ | 11:42 |
| === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk | ||
| zzarr | interesting | 11:44 |
| zzarr | I hope there will be a alien like solution or something in the future for apk to click/snappy | 11:49 |
| ogra_ | surely possible ... as i said, you would need some kind of android framework your snap can consume, tnnen it might be doable | 11:50 |
| zzarr | yepp | 11:50 |
| ogra_ | and the "alien like tool" is called snapcraft ;) https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/snappy-devel/2015-August/000995.html | 11:52 |
| zzarr | I found this http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/03/chromium-browser-ported-mir-display-server | 11:52 |
| zzarr | cool ogra_ :) | 11:53 |
| ogra_ | yeah, shows that past technologies could be ported to Mir :) | 11:54 |
| ogra_ | (march 2014 ... ) | 11:54 |
| zzarr | yepp (I saw the date ;) ) | 11:55 |
| === JMulholland_ is now known as JMulholland | ||
| === _salem is now known as salem_ | ||
| === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch | ||
| zzarr | I got an update for my phone :D | 12:09 |
| zzarr | how often will I get updates? | 12:09 |
| Guest82082 | 6 weeks on the stable channel :| :| :| | 12:10 |
| Guest82082 | :| :| :| 6 weeks = forever | 12:10 |
| zzarr | I have proposed | 12:10 |
| zzarr | so, each 6'th week for stable | 12:11 |
| ogra_ | daily on the rc-proposed channel (with exclusion of the weekends, so things get dogfooded for more than 24h without reboot over weekends) | 12:11 |
| zzarr | okey | 12:11 |
| Guest82082 | OTA6 Expected: | 12:12 |
| Guest82082 | 2015-08-20 https://launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+milestone/ww34-2015 | 12:12 |
| zzarr | thanks | 12:12 |
| Guest82082 | OTA7 Expected: | 12:12 |
| Guest82082 | 2015-10-01 https://launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+milestone/ww40-2015 | 12:12 |
| Guest82082 | etc | 12:12 |
| Guest82082 | zzarr, btw, ogra_ not just some developer is The developer | 12:14 |
| Guest82082 | :P | 12:14 |
| ogra_ | lol | 12:14 |
| Guest82082 | *is | 12:14 |
| Guest82082 | an his fridge is ginormas | 12:15 |
| Guest82082 | *and | 12:15 |
| zzarr | :D | 12:16 |
| zzarr | I have a question I just thought of, let's pretend I have a headset at home, connected to my computer and my phone charging, will it be possible to talk thought the headset with some one on the phone? | 12:20 |
| ogra_ | sounds like a useful feature but you would need quite some hackery for that | 12:21 |
| zzarr | something for the future :) | 12:21 |
| zzarr | not that it matters, but is there any reason why it says ubuntu and have the 5 dots under instead of the rotating ubuntu symbol when booting proposed? | 12:23 |
| ogra_ | to make it look more like all other ubuntus :) | 12:24 |
| zzarr | :) | 12:24 |
| popey | yeah, thats the new bootsplash | 12:24 |
| ogra_ | (i think it was quite some work to get rid of the spinner) | 12:24 |
| popey | "new" / "old" | 12:24 |
| zzarr | I think it's nicer :) | 12:25 |
| ogra_ | definitely | 12:25 |
| * ogra_ wasted nearly his whole weeked playing "day-d-tower-rush" sitting in the garden ... nearly as addicting as MvM ... i wonder if i should upload the click i had to build to make it work fullscreen :) | 12:26 | |
| ogra_ | i would have tried popey's offline HTML5 setup but couldnt find it anywhere | 12:27 |
| popey | github | 12:27 |
| popey | its where all the cool kids hang out | 12:27 |
| popey | https://github.com/popey/ubuntu-html5-template | 12:27 |
| ogra_ | popey, i mean the game :P | 12:28 |
| popey | oh | 12:28 |
| zzarr | I love the open source community :D | 12:29 |
| === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk | ||
| zzarr | did I say something wrong? | 12:39 |
| popey | eh? | 12:40 |
| zzarr | I thought I killed the chat ;) | 12:40 |
| ogra_ | la chat est mort ! | 12:41 |
| zzarr | :( chatten är död :( | 12:41 |
| ogra_ | (no you didnt, but we sometimes actually do work aside from IRC ;) ) | 12:42 |
| zzarr | :D | 12:42 |
| zzarr | me 2 | 12:42 |
| ogra_ | (except popey, he only does IRC indeed :P ) | 12:42 |
| JanC | s/la chat/le chat/ ? :) | 12:43 |
| ogra_ | yeah, french gender cofusion | 12:44 |
| ogra_ | *con | 12:44 |
| zzarr | :) | 12:45 |
| zzarr | I can't speak french | 12:45 |
| * ogra_ neither ... said my french teacher ... | 12:45 | |
| svij | Je ne parle pas francais <-- that's the only sentence I know ! | 12:45 |
| popey | outrage | 12:45 |
| ogra_ | popey, is that le or la outrage ? | 12:46 |
| * popey tries to remember GCSE French | 12:46 | |
| popey | l'outrage I think. | 12:46 |
| svij | popey: haha | 12:46 |
| ogra_ | lol, thats cheap ! | 12:46 |
| zzarr | :D | 12:47 |
| davmor2 | popey: you're just going on L'oreal for that aren't you ;) | 12:48 |
| ogra_ | oh, and i always thought that was his bed-hair in the eraly morning hangouts ... | 12:48 |
| davmor2 | popey: surely it is Zut Alors! | 12:49 |
| JanC | svij: "Je ne parle pas le français" you mean? :) | 12:52 |
| Guest82082 | omlette du fromage! | 12:53 |
| Guest82082 | je suis une hélicoptère | 12:55 |
| zzarr | is Jesus in a helicopter? | 12:55 |
| zzarr | I have funny letters too åäö | 12:56 |
| Guest82082 | :)) ze german? | 12:56 |
| zzarr | Swedish :) | 12:57 |
| Guest82082 | ah, ikea :D | 12:57 |
| Guest82082 | got it | 12:57 |
| zzarr | yes :) | 12:57 |
| svij | lol | 12:57 |
| popey | \o/ volvo | 12:57 |
| Guest82082 | volvo is chinese | 12:57 |
| ogra_ | please press the elk key | 12:57 |
| svij | JanC: uh, oh, the "le" is definitely wrong there. | 12:58 |
| zzarr | Volvo was bought by a Chinese company | 12:58 |
| Guest82082 | yeah :( | 12:59 |
| k1l | too bad for volvo. i really liked my 960 :) my brother still drives it | 12:59 |
| zzarr | :) | 13:00 |
| === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader | ||
| zzarr | good cars, my father and mother had one for 15 years without any mayor problem | 13:00 |
| * popey still loves his V70 | 13:00 | |
| popey | I have had mine for 14 years | 13:00 |
| popey | used to have a debian sticker in the back, but that faded | 13:01 |
| popey | wish we sold ubuntu stickers in the store | 13:01 |
| zzarr | I'm from the same town as Gevalia :) (Coffee brand) | 13:01 |
| popey | (big ones, sticky on the reverse) | 13:01 |
| zzarr | :) | 13:01 |
| zzarr | The town is called Gävle | 13:01 |
| JanC | most Volvos are still built in Belgium :) | 13:01 |
| zzarr | true true | 13:02 |
| JanC | followed by the Swedish factory | 13:02 |
| JanC | IIRC they will only build cars in China for the Chinese & other Asian markets | 13:02 |
| zzarr | okey, nice | 13:03 |
| JanC | (at least for now) | 13:03 |
| JanC | most of the cost advantage of manufacturing in China would be lost in transport back to Europe anyway | 13:05 |
| zzarr | yea | 13:06 |
| === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g | ||
| k1l | well, the 960 got more than 500.000km on the speedo. and still runs just fine. but the petrol consupmtion is "a bit" high :X | 13:07 |
| zzarr | high consumption is a problem with older Volvos | 13:08 |
| zzarr | Qt Creator... hello! I changed that string, stop using the old! | 13:18 |
| zzarr | sry, just some minor rage | 13:18 |
| zzarr | compiling :) | 13:19 |
| zzarr | it takes forever | 13:21 |
| kenvandine | mandel, any luck figuring out what's up with that fix-network branch? | 13:26 |
| abeato | Kaleo, ping | 13:27 |
| ProstheticS | .. | 13:30 |
| ProstheticS | oops, didnt mean to hit enter on thato ne | 13:30 |
| === doanac` is now known as doanac | ||
| dobey | eh, how does one open a url from the terminal on the phone? | 13:48 |
| dobey | there's no xdg-open or gvfs-open :( | 13:48 |
| ogra_ | i bet you could do some magic content-hub invocation | 13:49 |
| dobey | i don't wnat content hub. i'm not trying to read data from one app or share it to another. i just want to test opening a url via url-dispatcher | 13:54 |
| ogra_ | err, url-dispatcher | 13:55 |
| ogra_ | i always mix these two up | 13:55 |
| ogra_ | (we need to merge them to stop confusing me !!!) | 13:55 |
| popey | dobey: good question! | 13:56 |
| mcphail | oSoMoN: thanks - I have +1'd the bug. Would like to see video chatting working | 14:07 |
| oSoMoN | mcphail, yeah, getting that to work will be a great milestone for the browser app | 14:08 |
| mcphail | oSoMoN: out of interest, how much of the "plumbing" is already there? | 14:08 |
| davmor2 | dobey: webbrowser-app http://www.ubuntu.com? | 14:10 |
| dobey | davmor2: no, i don't want to launch an app with a url. just a url | 14:11 |
| dobey | (and it's not an http url) | 14:11 |
| oSoMoN | mcphail, for microphone use, I think most of it is already there, for camera access, not really sure yet | 14:12 |
| davmor2 | dobey: fair enough | 14:13 |
| mcphail | oSoMoN: cheers | 14:15 |
| === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk | ||
| pete-woods | ogra_: hi. I'm having trouble maintaining a stable connection to my arale and krillin (which is flashed to wily right now) | 15:31 |
| pete-woods | I've tried replacing my USB cable | 15:31 |
| pete-woods | is this a known thing? | 15:32 |
| pete-woods | / have I missed an important post on ubuntu-phone | 15:32 |
| pete-woods | it works for a little while if I toggle developer mode off and on again | 15:32 |
| pete-woods | but soon stops working, requiring another toggle | 15:32 |
| ogra_ | USB is generally a bit flaky on arale ... try using a slower connection like USB 2.0 or 1.1 ... 3.0 will definitely cause issues | 15:32 |
| pete-woods | I don't have USB 3 | 15:33 |
| pete-woods | this also happens on krillin, though | 15:33 |
| pete-woods | makes silo testing quite a PITA | 15:33 |
| pete-woods | as it doesn't stay connected long enough to update the silo | 15:33 |
| ogra_ | beyond that i dont know if the HWE teams work on researching that issue further, john-mcaleely might be able to tell | 15:33 |
| john-mcaleely | well, it is 'not widely reported' on krillin | 15:34 |
| john-mcaleely | to the extent I'd say, what's up with your setup :-) | 15:34 |
| ogra_ | oh, i totally missed the krillin in the first sentence :P | 15:34 |
| john-mcaleely | krillin generally seems reliable | 15:34 |
| john-mcaleely | arale, on the other hand, flaky as a flaky thing | 15:35 |
| ogra_ | my overheated brain just played back the standard answer here :P | 15:35 |
| john-mcaleely | use usb 2, cross your fingers, and repeat | 15:35 |
| pete-woods | my laptop only has usb2 | 15:35 |
| john-mcaleely | try a different hub (for arale) | 15:35 |
| john-mcaleely | suspect your setup (for krillin) | 15:36 |
| pete-woods | it's almost like the adb daemon on the device is crashing | 15:36 |
| pete-woods | / freezing | 15:36 |
| ogra_ | tnen you would have reports in /var/crash | 15:36 |
| john-mcaleely | oh, or things you do to the image. | 15:36 |
| ogra_ | well | 15:36 |
| ogra_ | its wily | 15:36 |
| john-mcaleely | could the oom killer thingie kill it? | 15:36 |
| john-mcaleely | oh, wily? | 15:36 |
| ogra_ | i wouldnt trust wily image at all currently | 15:36 |
| john-mcaleely | very new ground. here be demons | 15:36 |
| ogra_ | yeah | 15:36 |
| john-mcaleely | I've never used it | 15:37 |
| pete-woods | right | 15:37 |
| ogra_ | *especially* for C++ | 15:37 |
| john-mcaleely | doubly, especially for anything ++ | 15:37 |
| pete-woods | will flash to vivid if I can get through a bootstrap boot with it | 15:37 |
| pete-woods | are there special rules for arale | 15:37 |
| john-mcaleely | yeah. it's broken | 15:37 |
| pete-woods | (I seem to remember something like that) | 15:37 |
| ogra_ | same as always ... | 15:37 |
| pete-woods | ah | 15:37 |
| john-mcaleely | use a known-good usb setup :-) | 15:37 |
| ogra_ | different recovery.img indeed | 15:37 |
| john-mcaleely | oh, that, yes | 15:38 |
| ogra_ | !devices | 15:38 |
| ubot5 | You can find the full list of devices, official images, community images, and works in progress at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices | 15:38 |
| pete-woods | I have the different recovery image for krillin | 15:38 |
| ogra_ | listed there in the table | 15:38 |
| pete-woods | there's one for arale too? | 15:38 |
| john-mcaleely | ooh. I didn't know the bot knew that | 15:38 |
| ogra_ | yes | 15:38 |
| pete-woods | right | 15:38 |
| davmor2 | ogra_: is the standard answer snappy fixes everything? | 15:38 |
| pete-woods | got it | 15:38 |
| pete-woods | thanks | 15:38 |
| ogra_ | they are device specific | 15:38 |
| john-mcaleely | can we add !recovery ? | 15:38 |
| ogra_ | davmor2, ! | 15:38 |
| davmor2 | <ogra_> my overheated brain just played back the standard answer here :P | 15:38 |
| ogra_ | john-mcaleely, i bet we can, noit sure how though ... popey might know whom to ping | 15:39 |
| ogra_ | dayeah, tha exclamation mark was to confirm your statement ;) | 15:39 |
| john-mcaleely | interesting. lets see :-) | 15:39 |
| ogra_ | davmor2, ^ | 15:39 |
| popey | wat wat? | 15:40 |
| popey | oh, to the bot, sure | 15:40 |
| ogra_ | popey, adding commands to the bot, whom does john-mcaleely need to ping ? | 15:40 |
| ogra_ | alan bell ? | 15:41 |
| john-mcaleely | I'd love it to know !recovery | 15:41 |
| ogra_ | or the irc ops channel ? | 15:41 |
| popey | what do you want it to say? | 15:41 |
| popey | I can do that | 15:41 |
| john-mcaleely | !recovery | 15:41 |
| ubot5 | If your system fails to boot normally, it may be useful to boot it into recovery mode. For instructions, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveryMode | 15:41 |
| john-mcaleely | hrm | 15:41 |
| popey | you did that then | 15:41 |
| john-mcaleely | maybe | 15:41 |
| john-mcaleely | !recovery-flash | 15:41 |
| john-mcaleely | aha | 15:41 |
| popey | we can have a specific recovery entry just for this channel | 15:42 |
| ogra_ | yeah | 15:42 |
| popey | just tell me what you want it to say | 15:42 |
| popey | which will override the one used in #ubuntu | 15:42 |
| ogra_ | better than pointing to desktop recovery :) | 15:42 |
| john-mcaleely | "You need to use the right recovery.img for your device when flashing with adb: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices | 15:42 |
| john-mcaleely | " | 15:42 |
| john-mcaleely | lol | 15:42 |
| john-mcaleely | maybe so | 15:42 |
| ogra_ | i would also point to the table ... | 15:42 |
| ogra_ | there is so much content on that page | 15:42 |
| ogra_ | the table gives a hint where to look for the link | 15:43 |
| john-mcaleely | true | 15:43 |
| === tvoss is now known as tvoss|test | ||
| === tvoss|test is now known as tvoss | ||
| popey | ubot5: recovery-#ubuntu-touch is <reply> You need to use the right recovery.img for your device when flashing with adb: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices#Working_with_ubuntu-device-flash | 15:44 |
| pete-woods | can anyone tell me the magic combination to get arale into fastboot mode? I've tried holding "vol up" on, but it takes me to the spinning ubuntu logo / recovery kernel thingy | 15:44 |
| john-mcaleely | !recovery | 15:44 |
| ubot5 | If your system fails to boot normally, it may be useful to boot it into recovery mode. For instructions, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveryMode | 15:44 |
| popey | it needs someone else to +1 I think | 15:44 |
| popey | hang fire | 15:44 |
| pete-woods | hmm, soft-bricked now, it seems :( no longer booting | 15:45 |
| john-mcaleely | pete-woods, "Long press Power + Down:" | 15:45 |
| pete-woods | john-mcaleely: thanks! | 15:46 |
| popey | !recovery | 15:49 |
| ubot5 | You need to use the right recovery.img for your device when flashing with adb: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices#Working_with_ubuntu-device-flash | 15:49 |
| popey | \o/ | 15:49 |
| davmor2 | popey: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMvF2pPeb5E | 15:52 |
| popey | Radio 1!? | 15:53 |
| popey | thats for young people! | 15:53 |
| davmor2 | popey: just listen to it | 15:53 |
| davmor2 | popey: Plus I'm younger than you :P | 15:53 |
| popey | nice! | 15:54 |
| * popey downloads | 15:54 | |
| popey | You win this time Mr Morley! | 15:55 |
| pete-woods | john-mcaleely: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12048900/ | 15:56 |
| pete-woods | is what I end up with from fastboot / bootstrap | 15:56 |
| pete-woods | I'm obviously doing something wrong here.. | 15:57 |
| john-mcaleely | pete-woods, looks like fastboot is up, and your usb is flaky | 15:58 |
| pete-woods | but to suddenly get flaky? after years of it working? | 15:58 |
| pete-woods | I guess it's possible | 15:58 |
| kenvandine | i had a cable go bad | 15:59 |
| kenvandine | suddenly got flaky | 15:59 |
| pete-woods | I already changed to two different cables | 15:59 |
| kenvandine | ok | 15:59 |
| pete-woods | okay, I apparently have like 3 dead USB cables.. | 16:03 |
| pete-woods | a fourth one works! | 16:03 |
| faenil | bschaefer: pingie | 16:04 |
| bschaefer | faenil, pong | 16:06 |
| === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader | ||
| faenil | bschaefer: did you try getting apkenv to work on ubuntu touch? | 16:11 |
| bschaefer | faenil, i've not tried that out | 16:14 |
| ogra_ | that only works for non java apps anyway, no ? | 16:14 |
| ogra_ | (unless youo also provide the whole VM) | 16:15 |
| faenil | bschaefer: ok, I was thinking of giving that a spin whenever I have some free hacking time | 16:15 |
| faenil | bschaefer: what is the status of sdl2 on UT? | 16:15 |
| ogra_ | works awesome | 16:15 |
| faenil | great | 16:15 |
| ogra_ | install neveball, neverputt or tuxracer from the store ;) | 16:15 |
| faenil | ogra_: ok :D | 16:15 |
| ogra_ | they all run natively on Mir via SDL2 | 16:15 |
| faenil | cool stuff | 16:15 |
| ogra_ | yep | 16:16 |
| faenil | I don't know much about apkenv atm, but I thought it could be a good starting point | 16:16 |
| faenil | I thought it was actually the opposite, it ran java apps but needed hacks for the ndk ones | 16:16 |
| faenil | but your point makes more sense | 16:16 |
| bschaefer | faenil, it should work fine as long as you use | 16:17 |
| bschaefer | faenil, what version of mir? If you're 0.12 you should be fine | 16:17 |
| bschaefer | if you are greater then that you'll need this branch: | 16:17 |
| bschaefer | https://code.launchpad.net/~brandontschaefer/+junk/SDL2-new-mir-ABI | 16:18 |
| ogra_ | faenil, well, i only glanced over the docs of apkenv and it looked to me like it was only some re-pack thing ... | 16:18 |
| faenil | bschaefer: I don't know yet when I'll have time to play with that, I guess I'll ping you again when I actually start doing something with it :D | 16:18 |
| bschaefer | faenil, awesome would love to hear how that goes :) | 16:18 |
| faenil | :) | 16:18 |
| bschaefer | as far as tuxracer, thats SDL1.2 which i've a branch for | 16:18 |
| bschaefer | and it only works on the desktop (since no EGL support) | 16:19 |
| bschaefer | https://code.launchpad.net/~brandontschaefer/+junk/sdl1.2-mir | 16:19 |
| faenil | yeah, it's for ndk stuf... | 16:20 |
| faenil | well, some games at least should work :) | 16:20 |
| bschaefer | yeah :) | 16:20 |
| popey | bschaefer: i know icculus is working on a wrapper for sdl1.2 which presents itself as sdl2, so you can run sdl1.2 apps on sdl2 | 16:20 |
| faenil | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVDFurHbXlI | 16:20 |
| bschaefer | popey, yeeeah but he said that to me like... 1-2 years ago :) | 16:20 |
| popey | dunno how far he's got | 16:20 |
| popey | hahaha | 16:20 |
| faenil | :D | 16:20 |
| popey | he has the to-do list from hell | 16:20 |
| bschaefer | popey, not sure how much priority it has | 16:20 |
| bschaefer | yeah | 16:21 |
| bschaefer | i could only imagine :( | 16:21 |
| popey | he will never have no work, that guy | 16:21 |
| popey | which is a good thing I guess :) | 16:21 |
| bschaefer | haha yup | 16:21 |
| john-mcaleely | pete-woods, in fairness, I think it's more likely to be the arale usb controler, not your cables :-/ | 16:22 |
| john-mcaleely | good to see it working (I got distracted for a while) | 16:23 |
| pete-woods | john-mcaleely: if it's useful information, it's a relatively expensive 1ft "Anker" cable that's working | 16:24 |
| pete-woods | maybe the short length helps | 16:24 |
| pete-woods | / maybe the cable thickness | 16:25 |
| pete-woods | at any rate, it;'s working now :) | 16:25 |
| john-mcaleely | short seems to be a theme for 'working' | 16:25 |
| faenil | pete-woods: are you using a powered usb hub? (forgive me if this was asked already) | 16:28 |
| faenil | in case you aren't, that probably helps | 16:28 |
| pete-woods | faenil: I'm not, but it sounds like I need ti buy one | 16:30 |
| pete-woods | *to | 16:30 |
| faenil | we're waiting to get one delivered | 16:31 |
| faenil | to see if it actually helps | 16:31 |
| === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD | ||
| zzarr | hello :) | 17:49 |
| ogra_ | beuno, http://paste.ubuntu.com/12049072/ ... is there a way to check if the timestamps of the clicks in the sotre are still correct after the upgrade ? we see the stuff in that paste in the generated custome tarballs since very recently | 17:53 |
| ogra_ | beuno, oh, wait ... ignore me ... thats apparmor | 17:54 |
| beuno | ignored | 17:54 |
| === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk | ||
| davmor2 | beuno: remember that ogra_ put no time limit on that ignore him ;) | 18:08 |
| ogra_ | lol | 18:09 |
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| === tvoss|test is now known as tvoss | ||
| === tvoss is now known as tvoss|test | ||
| === tvoss|test is now known as tvoss | ||
| === cwayne-afk is now known as cwayne | ||
| zzarr | is it ok to leave suggestions here? | 18:42 |
| habs | barry: Hi, not sure if this is the right place, but new to system-image, trying to compile system-image-2.2 on a desktop 14.04 deriv and I get this error: http://sprunge.us/UJXS Do you know how I would go about fixing this? | 18:42 |
| zzarr | well, my idea is that it should be possible to mute notifications as well as incomming calls between different times | 18:46 |
| greyback_ | popey: about? | 18:51 |
| popey | hello greyback_ | 18:51 |
| greyback_ | popey: hey, could you do me a quick favour: could you edit the summary of https://launchpad.net/qtmir and remove the first bullet point | 18:52 |
| greyback_ | I think you're on the PSPM team so can do that | 18:52 |
| * greyback_ haz no powah | 18:52 | |
| popey | greyback_: done. look okay? | 18:52 |
| greyback_ | popey: will do nicely, thanks | 18:52 |
| popey | \o/ | 18:52 |
| popey | np | 18:52 |
| barry | habs: system-image 2.2 is way old. you should either try 3.0.1 or 2.5.1 | 18:53 |
| barry | preferably 3.0.1 | 18:54 |
| thepeter-web | Hi :) | 19:02 |
| thepeter-web | I have bought bq5 ubuntu edition and I would like to start with doing as real work as possible, but I have some questions (reagrding principles but also technical ones) who can I ask them please? | 19:05 |
| Guest82082 | !question | 19:07 |
| ubot5 | Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience | 19:07 |
| popey | thepeter-web: yeah, just ask away here. | 19:09 |
| popey | or at askubuntu.com :) | 19:09 |
| thepeter-web | heh ok why is there a store with need for login do get apps? (I am linux user I know how packaging system work so why do I need to use login?) | 19:09 |
| popey | so that we can do things like deliver the same apps to all your devices, keep them in sync, re-download paid apps | 19:09 |
| thepeter-web | that is a very first one :D | 19:10 |
| popey | doing this on day one means it's easier to add those features later | 19:10 |
| popey | without having to say to people "okay, 2 years later, _now_ you need a login" | 19:10 |
| thepeter-web | poopey uhm okay but there is a way to use it with this feature is it? | 19:11 |
| popey | not all of it is implemented yet | 19:11 |
| thepeter-web | cuase that the kind of freedom I like on linux (decentralisation) | 19:12 |
| thepeter-web | cause ^ | 19:12 |
| thepeter-web | I just would like to u know open terminal and start scripting (optimal would be python, but as I've red official support won't be seen for it soon) | 19:14 |
| dobey | you bought a phone, but you want a PC? | 19:15 |
| thepeter-web | ehm I bought a device with some abilities somehwere between phone and PC :D | 19:16 |
| mcphail | thepeter-web: I can't see that anything stops you opening a terminal and starting scripting... | 19:16 |
| dobey | mcphail: probably the common complaint that certain things are not installed; like emacs | 19:17 |
| thepeter-web | I don't expect it to be PC, but yes I admit I want more than just smart phone | 19:17 |
| dobey | thepeter-web: https://askubuntu.com/questions/620740/recommended-way-to-install-regularcli-deb-packages-on-ubuntu-phone/623311#623311 | 19:17 |
| mcphail | thepeter-web: the phone is remarkably hackable. You just need to spend a little bit of time working out the restrictions | 19:19 |
| thepeter-web | dobey cool thanks for link I just wanted to know if I can avoid using login and registering email and so on and just install terminal to open it for adjusments :P | 19:20 |
| dobey | no, you can't install apps from the store without logging in | 19:20 |
| thepeter-web | mcphail that is what I expect from it (since it is opensource :P) | 19:20 |
| dobey | you can side-load apps over adb if you have developer mode enabled, and the .click package file to be installed | 19:21 |
| ogra_ | thepeter-web, being opensource doesnt say anything about the hackability when the binaries are on a device ;) ... that the phones are hackable at all is due to the manufacturers allowing that, you can lock down ubuntu on the phone as much as you can with android :) | 19:23 |
| ogra_ | (so if the vendors wanted that they could ... ) | 19:24 |
| thepeter-web | dobey okay, so I am on 15.04 r4 is there documetation about system? (dir structures and so on), so I am gona get my login in the store to get terminal on :P | 19:24 |
| nhaines | thepeter-web: you'll have to download the source and compile the Terminal yourself. | 19:25 |
| nhaines | Then you can sideload it without issue. | 19:25 |
| dobey | thepeter-web: it is ubuntu | 19:25 |
| dobey | thepeter-web: the root filesystem is read-only (it is a phone, after all) | 19:26 |
| dobey | hence, the chroot method i linked to | 19:26 |
| thepeter-web | orga_ hackability is probably a strong word used by mcphail :D I just want to adjust it as linux machine adjusted can be :P | 19:26 |
| mcphail | thepeter-web: file system is similar to stock ubuntu. Clicks packages (e.g. apps from app store) get installed under /opt | 19:26 |
| ogra_ | thepeter-web, you can do that ... within the bounds of the system .... | 19:26 |
| mcphail | thepeter-web: by "hackability" I mean I can write an app in almost any language and expect it to run. That is fairly cool | 19:27 |
| ogra_ | ou can also hack nearly any part of the system ... technically :) | 19:27 |
| dobey | or with an axe | 19:28 |
| ogra_ | (there are some binary blob drivers that you cant ... obviously) | 19:28 |
| nhaines | I'm more than a little impressed that all the OEMs were fine with shipping with unlocked bootloaders. | 19:28 |
| thepeter-web | dobey okay but there are still specific thing to work with which I would not expect to be covered on computer but I'll just look for them | 19:28 |
| dobey | i don't know what you mean | 19:28 |
| nhaines | thepeter-web: you're being awfully vague about it. | 19:28 |
| ogra_ | nhaines, yeah, both commpanies acted really great here | 19:28 |
| ogra_ | -m | 19:28 |
| mcphail | thepeter-web: you'll need to get used to app confinement and lifecycle management | 19:29 |
| thepeter-web | mcphail I would like to get to that point too ... in time :P | 19:29 |
| nhaines | ogra_: even locked but unlockable would have been disappointing but acceptable. Barely. :) | 19:29 |
| thepeter-web | mcphail even with "my own small apps" ? | 19:29 |
| mcphail | thepeter-web: yep | 19:29 |
| ogra_ | yeah, well, a nexus like way was what i hoped for initially ... we got far more ;) | 19:29 |
| dobey | nhaines: when an ubuntu phone is in "will it blend?" then you'll know we have been successful | 19:30 |
| ogra_ | +1 | 19:30 |
| mcphail | thepeter-web: for your own apps, you can break confinement but it isn't so easy to break lifecycle management. | 19:30 |
| nhaines | ogra_: until then, it's slightly less whining in /r/Ubuntu by people who won't buy the phone anyway, so it all works out for me. :P | 19:30 |
| thepeter-web | nhaines sorry for that :) it is because I don't have absolutelly clear idea what adjusments I would like to do since don't really know yet how much is the system "locked" as orga_ menioned | 19:31 |
| thepeter-web | so I am just starting my imagination on this one | 19:32 |
| ogra_ | thepeter-web, well, nothng is locked ... but if you make the readonly bit writable and modify it you can break it badly | 19:32 |
| ogra_ | for example | 19:32 |
| ogra_ | if you really want to dig in ... the first thing you shuld do is find out how to re-flash it ;) | 19:33 |
| ogra_ | then just break it badly til you found your middle ground (or a proper way) for doing what you want | 19:33 |
| thepeter-web | orga_ I am very well aware of that danger :P that's why I went here to prenet as much dammage as possible :P | 19:34 |
| ogra_ | we are here for any concrete questions ;) | 19:34 |
| ogra_ | and i'd also suggest to subscribe to the ML | 19:35 |
| Fgmeizu | Who is familiar with making scopes via scopecreator | 19:35 |
| ogra_ | Fgmeizu, cwayne can surely point you in the right direction | 19:35 |
| thepeter-web | ok so ... I have my contacts exported from old phone, and I want to import them avoiding thirt party servers connections an so on ... I have them physically copied to the phone, is there a way to just import them to "contacts"? | 19:36 |
| Fgmeizu | Allright have tried to make one, installed it on my meizu but not the result I expected | 19:36 |
| Fgmeizu | Then made a few builds.... | 19:36 |
| Fgmeizu | But think i made a mess now in my phone "click wise" | 19:37 |
| Fgmeizu | How can i see what packages are installed and how can I remove them from my phone? | 19:39 |
| ogra_ | thepeter-web, the phone uses syncevolution and i think it is possible to import vcf contacts (not sure about bulk, i use google contacts) ... SIm import and google contact import are the only ones that currently have UI support | 19:39 |
| dobey | Fgmeizu: "click list" | 19:39 |
| Fgmeizu | Saw somethink in the net like click list, but the package is not listed | 19:39 |
| dobey | what package is not listed? | 19:40 |
| Fgmeizu | The click package of the scope i made | 19:40 |
| === dragonkeeper1 is now known as Dragonkeeper | ||
| ogra_ | how did you install it ? | 19:40 |
| Fgmeizu | Via scopecreator......scopecreator build | 19:40 |
| dobey | that builds a click i guess, but i don't think it installs it? | 19:41 |
| * ogra_ has never used scopecreator but i would guess the same | 19:41 | |
| Fgmeizu | Ok, so where on the phone is it? Because the scope is there | 19:41 |
| Fgmeizu | Sorry the package | 19:42 |
| dobey | well the contents of the click package would get unpacked under /opt/click.ubuntu.com/ | 19:42 |
| dobey | what exactly is your problem? | 19:43 |
| === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader | ||
| ogra_ | adb shell pkcon install-local --allow-untrusted /tmp/$PACKAGENAME | 19:43 |
| Fgmeizu | I tried to make a scope....white screen, no logo, no title..... | 19:43 |
| ogra_ | hmm, it actually installs it | 19:43 |
| dobey | ogra_: oh, eww | 19:44 |
| ogra_ | looking at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~scopecreator-team/scopecreator/trunk/view/head:/usr/bin/scopecreator | 19:44 |
| Fgmeizu | So worked a bit in scopecreator config....branding etc | 19:44 |
| thepeter-web | orga_ I know here is no simple UI for that, will use man to find text config, but step by step, first the terminal and some text editor :P | 19:44 |
| popey | we ship nano and vi by default on the phone | 19:45 |
| popey | so you're okay for editors.. | 19:45 |
| popey | ..unless you're some kind of emacs *pervert* | 19:45 |
| dobey | popey: you have a very boring definition of editor | 19:45 |
| ogra_ | ultraedit FTW !! | 19:45 |
| popey | "can edit files" is good enough for me | 19:46 |
| mcphail | cat ftw | 19:46 |
| nhaines | nano is the new ed. | 19:46 |
| dobey | it's the plain annoying vi | 19:46 |
| dobey | not vim | 19:46 |
| Fgmeizu | Uh, i am a normal guy that tries to explore ubuntu touch | 19:46 |
| ogra_ | vi is for vinners ! | 19:46 |
| thepeter-web | popey cool :D that will very well sufice | 19:46 |
| dobey | and they behave quite differently | 19:46 |
| popey | Fgmeizu: welcome to the madhouse | 19:46 |
| ogra_ | Fgmeizu, i fear you reaally have to wait for cwayne to show up, he wrote that tool | 19:47 |
| Fgmeizu | S***t, i am no developer or computer wizz.... | 19:47 |
| nhaines | I'm looking forward to running LibreOffice 5.0 on my tablet. :) | 19:47 |
| popey | soon... | 19:47 |
| dobey | Fgmeizu: i presume you haven't checked the scope logs either? | 19:48 |
| ogra_ | Fgmeizu, that is why you should wait for the one that can help you to show up :) | 19:48 |
| * thepeter-web just found out that file:/// works on browser | 19:48 | |
| ogra_ | yep | 19:48 |
| Fgmeizu | I just have this phone for one month and just 2 weeks looking around these kind of things.... | 19:48 |
| ogra_ | there is also a filemanager app :) | 19:49 |
| mcphail | thepeter-web: you are one step away from writing your first webapp for ubuntu! | 19:49 |
| ogra_ | lol | 19:49 |
| nhaines | I noticed last night that the browser now has visible tabs on my Nexus 7... at least it does in landscape mode! | 19:49 |
| * ogra_ wants a fullsceen button in the menu | 19:50 | |
| ogra_ | my latest store upload only exists because i couldnt get the game to switch to fullscreen :P | 19:50 |
| nhaines | The gesture shortcut for fullscreen should be a 6 finger tap. :P | 19:50 |
| dobey | nhaines: or throwing the phone against a wall | 19:51 |
| dobey | "project it, there!" | 19:51 |
| ogra_ | why 6 if you can take 9 ? | 19:51 |
| thepeter-web | mcphail :D :D I take these jokes as any noob should :P (I just hope I just didn't broke CoC by writing this :P) | 19:51 |
| Fgmeizu | Dobey: where do I find these? | 19:51 |
| mcphail | thepeter-web: I was semi-serious :) | 19:51 |
| thepeter-web | mcphail okay then :) | 19:52 |
| dobey | Fgmeizu: /home/phablet/.cache/upstart/scope-registry.log might have some errors when you try to use your scope. if you tail it, and watch it while trying to use y our scope, you might see it can't get results, or such | 19:52 |
| ogra_ | thepeter-web, technically you could implement a file browser with a few lines of meta data in a click package that way ... | 19:52 |
| ogra_ | mcphail is right ;) | 19:52 |
| ogra_ | (as a webapp) | 19:52 |
| mcphail | thepeter-web: i really like the web renderer on Ubuntu, as used by the browser and the webapps. Very fast and standards-compliant | 19:53 |
| Fgmeizu | Dobey: ok | 19:53 |
| Fgmeizu | Dobey: just removing the package from the phone and trying to build again, opion? I have all files on the pc as well | 19:55 |
| thepeter-web | orga_ :) and thats why I wanted the documentation on 15.04 (r4) in the first place :P is there a blog of somebody decsribing how he/she did it? (u know examples ... easiest to learn on them :P) | 19:56 |
| dobey | Fgmeizu: ok. i'm just giving you hints on where to look to find out what's not working for you, so that you may fix it. i've not used that script myself, and i don't know what you're trying to do exactly | 19:57 |
| dobey | thepeter-web: i presume they all did it on an actual PC, using the SDK :) | 19:57 |
| dobey | which has fairly decent documentation, and a template for creating a web app :) | 19:58 |
| thepeter-web | dobey uhm you are probably right :P | 19:58 |
| * ogra_ does it using vi in a terminal ;) | 19:59 | |
| dobey | yeah, i did it with emacs | 19:59 |
| dobey | i have an aversion to IDEs | 19:59 |
| Fgmeizu | Dobey sorry, i am a nono programming wise so 89% you tell me is new.....but I am lerning | 20:00 |
| ogra_ | even my QML ones | 20:00 |
| Fgmeizu | Learning | 20:00 |
| thepeter-web | orga_ or dobey wil you share there few lines with me? | 20:01 |
| thepeter-web | these ^ | 20:01 |
| nhaines | thepeter-web: have you been to http://developer.ubuntu.com/ ? | 20:01 |
| thepeter-web | nhaines yes but the thing is that phone is the only ubuntu device I currently have :P | 20:02 |
| ogra_ | thepeter-web, http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/day-d-app.tgz ... thats a game i just uploaded to the stoe today | 20:02 |
| nhaines | thepeter-web: then only read the developer documentation for the phone? | 20:03 |
| ogra_ | took about 10min of work (since i have the files as templates) | 20:03 |
| ogra_ | thepeter-web, untar ... then run: click build day-d/ | 20:03 |
| ogra_ | that produces a click package | 20:03 |
| ogra_ | to get the click command use the SDK PPA to install it | 20:04 |
| ogra_ | on the phone you can then use pkcon to install the produced click | 20:05 |
| ogra_ | (clicks get installed as user, not system wide like debs) | 20:05 |
| thepeter-web | orga_ thx will try it ... oh okay I am going to get thourgh that registration on store | 20:06 |
| mcphail | thepeter-web: ogra_ , not orga_ :) | 20:07 |
| thepeter-web | mcphail ups thx it seems I am too tired, so ... enough humiliation for today | 20:09 |
| nhaines | I for one always appreciate how helpful orca_ is to everyone. | 20:09 |
| thepeter-web | thank for first contact chat will CU here sooner or later :P | 20:11 |
| * thepeter-web starts his own ubuntu touch exploration expedition, that's he always like on linux - exploring everything | 20:12 | |
| mcphail | thepeter-web: enjoy! | 20:12 |
| thepeter-web | mcphail :) thanks I already do :P | 20:13 |
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| abacustard | helloooo - quick one - what do I have to do with .img files to adb sideload them? | 20:57 |
| abacustard | specifically - wily-preinstalled-system-armel+grouper.img wily-preinstalled-recovery-armel+grouper.img and wily-preinstalled-boot-armhf+grouper.img | 20:58 |
| abacustard | Bueller - anyone? | 20:58 |
| nhaines | !patience | abacustard | 21:05 |
| ubot5 | abacustard: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. While you wait, try searching https://help.ubuntu.com or http://ubuntuforums.org or http://askubuntu.com/ | 21:05 |
| abacustard | plse could someone advise me as to how to sideload touch on Nexus 7 grouper | 21:15 |
| abacustard | specifically - wily-preinstalled-system-armel+grouper.img wily-preinstalled-recovery-armel+grouper.img and wily-preinstalled-boot-armhf+grouper.img | 21:15 |
| nhaines | abacustard: what do you mean by "sideload"? | 21:18 |
| abacustard | adb sideload from my laptop into CWM | 21:20 |
| abacustard | i had tried phablet-flash ubuntu-system --channel /ubuntu-touch/stable/ubuntu-developer/generic | 21:22 |
| abacustard | and | 21:22 |
| abacustard | various other channels but I can't find a channel with a json for grouper | 21:22 |
| nhaines | Sorry, I thought 'grouper' was the name for the GSM version of 'flo'. | 21:24 |
| mcphail | abacustard: what one is grouper? is that the 2012 or 2013 nexus 7? | 21:24 |
| nhaines | Grouper isn't supported and can't run Ubuntu. | 21:24 |
| nhaines | mcphail: it's the wifi 2012 model. | 21:24 |
| mcphail | nhaines: I think the 2012 ones can't run ubuntu | 21:24 |
| mcphail | nhaines: sorry - nick error! | 21:25 |
| mcphail | abacustard: ^ | 21:25 |
| abacustard | i had quantal running earlier | 21:27 |
| abacustard | but it was pretty unresponsive | 21:27 |
| nhaines | If you want to run Ubuntu on it, you'll need to port it yourself. | 21:27 |
| nhaines | And there are no graphics drivers available if I recall. | 21:27 |
| abacustard | thanks nhaines | 21:41 |
| abacustard | xda seems to have a few successes | 21:41 |
| nhaines | abacustard: Hopefully so! | 21:46 |
| abacustard | still a bit confised as to why the developer preview would work but nothing else BUT confusion is a state I am cofmortable with so hey ho | 21:48 |
| mcphail | abacustard: support was dropped | 21:48 |
| nhaines | abacustard: because AOSP dropped support for the hardware. | 21:48 |
| nhaines | They spend significant time and resources trying to port it, but it was resources they didn't have. And since they were almost a year off from their announced release date even after dropping support for the Galaxy Nexus and Nexus 7 (2012), I'd say it was probably the right call, no matter how annoyed I was about it. :) | 21:50 |
| abacustard | makes sense - thanks so much for your help nhaines | 21:50 |
| nhaines | abacustard: sure. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but maybe you saved some time. See if anyone's still working on it over at xda perhaps! | 21:51 |
| abacustard | and mcphail! | 21:51 |
| abacustard | re: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current/ | 21:52 |
| abacustard | why are there grouper.img listed? | 21:53 |
| habs | barry: I'd like to but I really can't because I'm working on a patch for an Ubuntu 14.04 LTS deriv and system-image-2.2 is the latest supported version in Trusty | 21:53 |
| nhaines | Because they commited to maintaining the daily builds so that if the community stepped up and did the port, they'd accept the patches upstream so that everyone could use them. | 21:53 |
| habs | barry: Does it seem like my problem http://sprunge.us/UJXS is related to the package version / will be fixed in a newer one? If so I could try compiling the newer version but I'd still need for it to work on the older one | 21:54 |
| barry | habs: i'm almost positive the permission error is fixed in later versions, and the timeouts were due to race conditions that were also fixed. | 21:56 |
| abacustard | nhaines: ok I understand now - thanks again | 21:56 |
| nhaines | abacustard: it was a good question. :) | 21:56 |
| mterry | ralsina, hello! I see that once upon the time, you set ubuntu-push to not show a notification when the greeter is up. Why is that? Feels weirdly out-of-sorts with how we treat SMS | 22:41 |
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