[01:19] <wolflarson> installing ubuntu touch now :)
[07:33] <dholbach> good morning
[08:22] <Nakul> Hi
[08:23] <Nakul> I have recently upgraded from 12.04 LTS to 14.04 LTS and I am not able to login to my desktop
[08:24] <zzarr> desktop/laptop machine?
[08:25] <Nakul> laptop machine
[08:25] <Nakul> I have tried all the methods as provided to resolve this issue on http://askubuntu.com/
[08:25] <Nakul> nothing has worked
[08:26] <Nakul> I am able to login to TTY
[08:26] <zzarr> is it just the graphical login that's not working or can't you login at all?
[08:27] <Nakul> graphical login only
[08:27] <Nakul> terminal login is working fine
[08:28] <zzarr> I think you're in the wrong channel, I think #ubuntu is better for you
[08:29] <zzarr> this channel is for Ubuntu Touch
[08:29] <Nakul> ok
[08:29] <Nakul> thanks by the way
[08:29] <zzarr> np :)
[08:42] <mcphail> Is there a roadmap to getting video chatting in place on the phone? What would be the likely direction? WebRTC?
[08:46] <ogra_> mcphail, yeah, webrtc
[08:46] <mcphail> ogra_: is there already support in the browser? I was wondering if it would be a simple matter of giving browser access to the camera?
[08:47] <mcphail> (or webapp)
[08:47] <ogra_> no, there isnt ... first of all it needs trust-prompt/trust-session integration
[08:47] <ogra_> then oxide needs to learn to manage hw devices
[08:48] <ogra_> probably oSoMoN knows where that stands, there is definitely work going on to implement it
[08:48] <mcphail> ogra_: ok - chromium is capable, isn't it?
[08:49]  * mcphail just wonders how much is baked in already
[08:49] <mcphail> cheers ogra_
[08:49] <ogra_> chromium isnt oxide ;)
[08:49] <mcphail> ogra_: i know
[08:59]  * svij gets ready for another "Ubuntu Phone Insider" hangout… :)
[09:00] <popey> oooh
[09:04] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy Lion Day! 😃
[09:09] <svij> oh no sturmflut2 is back.
[09:09] <sturmflut2> In all his glory!
[09:12] <nhaines> svij: aww, I'm jealous.  :P
[09:13] <svij> nhaines: it's about india :P
[09:14] <svij> who cares about the us anyway *scnr*
[09:16] <nhaines> svij: Still sounds interesting!
[09:16] <patrick__> i kan not zo good englichnbut i try
[09:17] <patrick__> i have a quest voor the htc hd2 vor ubuntu touch
[09:17]  * popey looks for Dutch speakers
[09:19] <patrick__> is er iemant die nederlands kan dat gaat wat sneller
[09:26] <svij> yay a boolywood scope :D
[09:36] <svij> uh oh they're meeting with whatsapp guys. Nothing to announce yet
[09:36] <oSoMoN> mcphail, ogra_: this is work in progress, see bug #1410996
[09:36] <ogra_> thx !
[09:37] <nhaines> svij: I'll alert Softpedia.  "Whatsapp coming to Ubuntu this week.  FACT."
[09:37] <svij> nhaines: haha
[09:38] <ogra_> nhaines, thats lame ... "Ubuntu to be the OS of the new facebook phone, Whatsapp now included !"
[09:39] <ogra_> thats better ;)
[09:39] <nhaines> Haha
[09:50] <svij> "no specific news about the us"
[09:52] <nhaines> I'll settle for broad generalities.
[09:57] <om26er> es
[10:06] <zbenjamin> ogra_: how can i disable the adb lock again without reflashing?
[10:09] <zzarr> hello! time for hard questions... but the situation first, I having a Meizu MX4 Ubuntu Edition
[10:11] <zzarr> I want to be able to run X applications on it, ogra_ suggested a chroot yesterday, which sound like an outstanding idea to me
[10:11] <zzarr> but how would I set it up?
[10:13] <popey> you could use debootstrap to build a simple chroot.
[10:13] <popey> Not sure how you'd run x apps unless you used xmir
[10:15] <zzarr> popey: I want to use xmir
[10:15] <zzarr> but I don't know how
[10:15] <zzarr> I have installed the ppa version
[10:19] <popey> zzarr: sorry, I don't know either, never used xmir
[10:20] <zzarr> okey
[10:21] <guest42345> zzarr, https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg12499.html
[10:21] <zzarr> what source should I use for debootstrap?
[10:23] <ogra_> dont waste your time with debootstrap, use an ubuntu-core tarball ;) http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/daily/current/
[10:24] <zzarr> thanks guest42345
[10:25] <guest42345> zzarr, you can also run android apps
[10:26] <zzarr> how do I run android apps?
[10:26] <zzarr> thanks ogra_
[10:30] <zzarr> one thing... the mouse cursor is invisible when I connect a bt mouse
[10:31] <zzarr> (the ui transforms in to desktop mode)
[10:31] <popey> that's known.
[10:32] <zzarr> known fix?
[10:32] <ogra_> and wanted :)
[10:32] <zzarr> mouse cursor on most wanted list? (is it a criminal?)
[10:32] <ogra_> you attached a mouse, so desktop use is assumed
[10:33] <zzarr> yes, that I know and love
[10:33] <ogra_> oh, the cursor, sorry misread
[10:34] <ogra_> the fix will be in the next mir release afaik
[10:36] <zzarr> I understand that you can't give an exact date when that fix is released, but any idea?
[10:40] <ogra_> before 16.04 :P
[10:40] <ogra_> (kidding,... not idea :) ask #ubuntu-mir)
[10:40] <zzarr> yea :)
[10:52] <zzarr> I'm thinking about buying ASUS Chromebook Flip when the 4GB version arrives here, is it possible to install Ubuntu with Unity8 on it?
[10:52] <zzarr> (it's a unit transforming between laptop and tablet)
[10:54] <zzarr> sry ogra_ I ended up running a debootstrap in any way I want apt ;)
[10:54] <ogra_> ?
[10:54] <zzarr> it was only snappy packages in the core
[10:54] <ogra_> not in the tarball i linked
[10:55] <ogra_> the snappy tarball is at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/daily-preinstalled/current/
[10:55] <zzarr> I wanted vivid, so I browsed around a bit
[10:55] <ogra_> the http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/daily/current/ is just the content of a "debootstrap --minbase"
[10:55] <zzarr> I must have done something wrong
[10:56] <zzarr> ohh.. I see, sorry for me being stupid :O
[10:56] <ogra_> and the vivid release is http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/releases/vivid/release/
[10:56] <ogra_> fort the non-snappy tarball
[10:57] <zzarr> okey
[10:59] <zzarr> by the way, I'm thinking of buying a pcduino3 and touch-screen for a project, is it easy or hard to install a graphical interface on a snappy-core dist?
[10:59] <zzarr> it have a Mali400 GUPU
[10:59] <zzarr> GPU*
[11:00] <ogra_> still rather hard, but we're working on it ;)
[11:00] <zzarr> okey
[11:00] <ogra_> (there is no Mir framework snap yet, only some experimental hackery)
[11:01] <ogra_> (and i only just released an RPi image that is even capable of running graphics at all, up to now we didnt have any arm HW that could even run a monitor)
[11:02] <zzarr> okey, I guess you're a skilled developer (you sound skilled)
[11:04] <ogra_> well, according to my salary cheque i am skilled enough to fill my fridge with it :)
[11:06] <svij> ogra_: today I fooled myself "ohh ogra reshared an german ubuntu phone article, I wonder who wrote this… oh that was me."
[11:07] <ogra_> nah, it was Mr. "guest author" (never met hom though)
[11:07] <ogra_> *him
[11:07] <svij> :D
[11:07] <ogra_> :)
[11:08] <zzarr> :) I'm a developer too, I can also fill my fridge :D
[11:10] <zzarr> is there a way to run android apps on Ubuntu Touch at the moment?
[11:11] <nhaines> No, and there are no such plans.
[11:11] <Guest82082> yes
[11:11] <zzarr> Guest82082: how?
[11:13] <zzarr> nhaines: don't Canonical have a plan to make use of Android apps?
[11:14] <ogra_> luckily not :)
[11:14] <Guest82082> zzarr, https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg13705.html
[11:14] <nhaines> zzarr: nope.
[11:15] <zzarr> thanks Guest82082 :)
[11:15] <ogra_> nobody holds you back to create a dalvik hack that works with Mir and ship that inside your click package though ;(
[11:15] <ogra_> err
[11:15] <ogra_> ;)
[11:15] <nhaines> I'm not sure about that mailing list entry.
[11:15] <nhaines> Step 1: break your phone.
[11:16] <Guest82082> nhaines, zzarr is a developer
[11:16] <zzarr> okey, nhaines and ogra_
[11:16] <ogra_> well, following that clearly asks for re-flashing after you tried it
[11:17] <zzarr> I thought of that way yesterday, running Android apps in ARChon
[11:18] <Guest82082> zzarr, you can also make the terminal app not suspend
[11:18] <zzarr> Guest82082: how?
[11:18] <Guest82082> it's just a setting in gsettings
[11:18] <ogra_> via even more hacks :)
[11:19] <zzarr> all the hacks :)
[11:21] <Guest82082> zzarr, http://notyetthere.org/openstore-tweakgeek-and-more/
[11:24] <zzarr> As much as I don't like Android apps I wish to use my banks app (it will take a while before it's ported to Ubuntu Touch)
[11:26] <ogra_> i guess you are out of luck with that ... unless you plan to never upgrade your phone after you set it up
[11:27] <zzarr> if there's a solution now, there will be in the future ;)
[11:28] <ogra_> i doubt that
[11:28] <zzarr> why?
[11:28] <ogra_> there is no sane way to allow execution of android apps in our security model
[11:29] <zzarr> what about XMir, Chromium and ARChon?
[11:29] <ogra_> even if you did go the "ship dalvik inside your click" way your app wouldnt have access to anything, missing the android system groups etc etc
[11:29] <ogra_> the only way to make it run is the apt way which we will never officially support on phones
[11:29] <ogra_> (since it works around all security)
[11:30] <zzarr> but XMir will be officially supported?
[11:30] <ogra_> there might be a chance that someone eventually writes a snappy framework to run it inside a container or so and once the phones moved to snappy you could use that ...
[11:31] <ogra_> but that woiuld still not give you access to HW
[11:31] <ogra_> (or any other underlying system bits your app or the VM wants)
[11:31] <zzarr> true
[11:31] <ogra_> also you wouldnt be able to actually use the input layer properly i guess
[11:32] <ogra_> snappy will make all such things possible ... technically ... but that doesnt mean that your app will get along with that
[11:32] <zzarr> but the bank app I'm talking about only needs a internet connection
[11:33] <ogra_> you would need transaltion layers everywhere
[11:34]  * svij wouldn't use banking apps on any phone anyway…
[11:34] <zzarr> I'll have a look at ARChon later, maybe I can use some code from chromium and make my own app using webkit
[11:35] <zzarr> I don't see the harm in using it, it's very limited
[11:35] <ogra_> uuh
[11:35] <ogra_> that would become a gigantic click package ... if you ship webkit inside :)
[11:35] <ogra_> (there is no webkit on the phone)
[11:35] <svij> whats the browser using then?
[11:36] <ogra_> oxide
[11:36] <zzarr> what about "include Ubuntu.Webkit" in QML?
[11:36] <ogra_> i dont think thats supported anymore
[11:36] <zzarr> okey
[11:37] <ogra_> webkit was only there in the very early RTM images
[11:37] <svij> "An oxide /ˈɒksaɪd/ is a chemical compound that contains at least one oxygen atom and one other element[1] in its chemical formula." I see :D
[11:39] <ogra_> https://launchpad.net/oxide
[11:39] <zzarr> yes, I think you know oxide if you think about it, when it iron oxide we call it rust ;)
[11:39] <svij> ogra_: I know ;)
[11:39] <popey> so blink
[11:40]  * ogra_ blinks
[11:40] <ogra_> always following popey's commands ;)
[11:40] <popey> :)
[11:42] <Guest82082> zzarr, https://chromium.googlesource.com/arc/arc/
[11:44] <zzarr> interesting
[11:49] <zzarr> I hope there will be a alien like solution or something in the future for apk to click/snappy
[11:50] <ogra_> surely possible ... as i said, you would need some kind of android framework your snap can consume, tnnen it might be doable
[11:50] <zzarr> yepp
[11:52] <ogra_> and the "alien like tool" is called snapcraft ;) https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/snappy-devel/2015-August/000995.html
[11:52] <zzarr> I found this http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/03/chromium-browser-ported-mir-display-server
[11:53] <zzarr> cool ogra_ :)
[11:54] <ogra_> yeah, shows that past technologies could be ported to Mir :)
[11:54] <ogra_> (march 2014 ... )
[11:55] <zzarr> yepp (I saw the date ;) )
[12:09] <zzarr> I got an update for my phone :D
[12:09] <zzarr> how often will I get updates?
[12:10] <Guest82082> 6 weeks on the stable channel :| :| :|
[12:10] <Guest82082> :| :| :| 6 weeks = forever
[12:10] <zzarr> I have proposed
[12:11] <zzarr> so, each 6'th week for stable
[12:11] <ogra_> daily on the rc-proposed channel (with exclusion of the weekends, so things get dogfooded for more than 24h without reboot over weekends)
[12:11] <zzarr> okey
[12:12] <Guest82082> OTA6 Expected:
[12:12] <Guest82082> 2015-08-20   https://launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+milestone/ww34-2015
[12:12] <zzarr> thanks
[12:12] <Guest82082> OTA7 Expected:
[12:12] <Guest82082> 2015-10-01 https://launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+milestone/ww40-2015
[12:12] <Guest82082> etc
[12:14] <Guest82082> zzarr, btw, ogra_ not just some developer is The developer
[12:14] <Guest82082> :P
[12:14] <ogra_> lol
[12:14] <Guest82082> *is
[12:15] <Guest82082> an his fridge is ginormas
[12:15] <Guest82082> *and
[12:16] <zzarr> :D
[12:20] <zzarr> I have a question I just thought of, let's pretend I have a headset at home, connected to my computer and my phone charging, will it be possible to talk thought the headset with some one on the phone?
[12:21] <ogra_> sounds like a useful feature but you would need quite some hackery for that
[12:21] <zzarr> something for the future :)
[12:23] <zzarr> not that it matters, but is there any reason why it says ubuntu and have the 5 dots under instead of the rotating ubuntu symbol when booting proposed?
[12:24] <ogra_> to make it look more like all other ubuntus :)
[12:24] <zzarr> :)
[12:24] <popey> yeah, thats the new bootsplash
[12:24] <ogra_> (i think it was quite some work to get rid of the spinner)
[12:24] <popey> "new" / "old"
[12:25] <zzarr> I think it's nicer :)
[12:25] <ogra_> definitely
[12:26]  * ogra_ wasted nearly his whole weeked playing "day-d-tower-rush" sitting in the garden ... nearly as addicting as MvM ... i wonder if i should upload the click i had to build to make it work fullscreen :)
[12:27] <ogra_> i would have tried popey's offline HTML5 setup but couldnt find it anywhere
[12:27] <popey> github
[12:27] <popey> its where all the cool kids hang out
[12:27] <popey> https://github.com/popey/ubuntu-html5-template
[12:28] <ogra_> popey, i mean the game :P
[12:28] <popey> oh
[12:29] <zzarr> I love the open source community :D
[12:39] <zzarr> did I say something wrong?
[12:40] <popey> eh?
[12:40] <zzarr> I thought I killed the chat ;)
[12:41] <ogra_> la chat est mort !
[12:41] <zzarr> :( chatten är död :(
[12:42] <ogra_> (no you didnt, but we sometimes actually do work aside from IRC ;) )
[12:42] <zzarr> :D
[12:42] <zzarr> me 2
[12:42] <ogra_> (except popey, he only does IRC indeed :P )
[12:43] <JanC> s/la chat/le chat/ ? :)
[12:44] <ogra_> yeah, french gender cofusion
[12:44] <ogra_> *con
[12:45] <zzarr> :)
[12:45] <zzarr> I can't speak french
[12:45]  * ogra_ neither ... said my french teacher ... 
[12:45] <svij> Je ne parle pas francais <-- that's the only sentence I know !
[12:45] <popey> outrage
[12:46] <ogra_> popey, is that le or la outrage ?
[12:46]  * popey tries to remember GCSE French
[12:46] <popey> l'outrage I think.
[12:46] <svij> popey: haha
[12:46] <ogra_> lol, thats cheap !
[12:47] <zzarr> :D
[12:48] <davmor2> popey: you're just going on L'oreal for that aren't you ;)
[12:48] <ogra_> oh, and i always thought that was his bed-hair in the eraly morning hangouts ...
[12:49] <davmor2> popey: surely it is Zut Alors!
[12:52] <JanC> svij: "Je ne parle pas le français" you mean?  :)
[12:53] <Guest82082> omlette du fromage!
[12:55] <Guest82082> je suis une hélicoptère
[12:55] <zzarr> is Jesus in a helicopter?
[12:56] <zzarr> I have funny letters too åäö
[12:56] <Guest82082> :)) ze german?
[12:57] <zzarr> Swedish :)
[12:57] <Guest82082> ah, ikea :D
[12:57] <Guest82082> got it
[12:57] <zzarr> yes :)
[12:57] <svij> lol
[12:57] <popey> \o/ volvo
[12:57] <Guest82082> volvo is chinese
[12:57] <ogra_> please press the elk key
[12:58] <svij> JanC: uh, oh, the "le" is definitely wrong there.
[12:58] <zzarr> Volvo was bought by a Chinese company
[12:59] <Guest82082> yeah :(
[12:59] <k1l> too bad for volvo. i really liked my 960 :) my brother still drives it
[13:00] <zzarr> :)
[13:00] <zzarr> good cars, my father and mother had one for 15 years without any mayor problem
[13:00]  * popey still loves his V70
[13:00] <popey> I have had mine for 14 years
[13:01] <popey> used to have a debian sticker in the back, but that faded
[13:01] <popey> wish we sold ubuntu stickers in the store
[13:01] <zzarr> I'm from the same town as Gevalia :) (Coffee brand)
[13:01] <popey> (big ones, sticky on the reverse)
[13:01] <zzarr> :)
[13:01] <zzarr> The town is called Gävle
[13:01] <JanC> most Volvos are still built in Belgium   :)
[13:02] <zzarr> true true
[13:02] <JanC> followed by the Swedish factory
[13:02] <JanC> IIRC they will only build cars in China for the Chinese & other Asian markets
[13:03] <zzarr> okey, nice
[13:03] <JanC> (at least for now)
[13:05] <JanC> most of the cost advantage of manufacturing in China would be lost in transport back to Europe anyway
[13:06] <zzarr> yea
[13:07] <k1l> well, the 960 got more than 500.000km on the speedo. and still runs just fine. but the petrol consupmtion is "a bit" high :X
[13:08] <zzarr> high consumption is a problem with older Volvos
[13:18] <zzarr> Qt Creator... hello! I changed that string, stop using the old!
[13:18] <zzarr> sry, just some minor rage
[13:19] <zzarr> compiling :)
[13:21] <zzarr> it takes forever
[13:26] <kenvandine> mandel, any luck figuring out what's up with that fix-network branch?
[13:27] <abeato> Kaleo, ping
[13:30] <ProstheticS> ..
[13:30] <ProstheticS> oops, didnt mean to hit enter on thato ne
[13:48] <dobey> eh, how does one open a url from the terminal on the phone?
[13:48] <dobey> there's no xdg-open or gvfs-open :(
[13:49] <ogra_> i bet you could do some magic content-hub invocation
[13:54] <dobey> i don't wnat content hub. i'm not trying to read data from one app or share it to another. i just want to test opening a url via url-dispatcher
[13:55] <ogra_> err, url-dispatcher
[13:55] <ogra_> i always mix these two up
[13:55] <ogra_> (we need to merge them to stop confusing me !!!)
[13:56] <popey> dobey: good question!
[14:07] <mcphail> oSoMoN: thanks - I have +1'd the bug. Would like to see video chatting working
[14:08] <oSoMoN> mcphail, yeah, getting that to work will be a great milestone for the browser app
[14:08] <mcphail> oSoMoN: out of interest, how much of the "plumbing" is already there?
[14:10] <davmor2> dobey: webbrowser-app http://www.ubuntu.com?
[14:11] <dobey> davmor2: no, i don't want to launch an app with a url. just a url
[14:11] <dobey> (and it's not an http url)
[14:12] <oSoMoN> mcphail, for microphone use, I think most of it is already there, for camera access, not really sure yet
[14:13] <davmor2> dobey: fair enough
[14:15] <mcphail> oSoMoN: cheers
[15:31] <pete-woods> ogra_: hi. I'm having trouble maintaining a stable connection to my arale and krillin (which is flashed to wily right now)
[15:31] <pete-woods> I've tried replacing my USB cable
[15:32] <pete-woods> is this a known thing?
[15:32] <pete-woods>  / have I missed an important post on ubuntu-phone
[15:32] <pete-woods> it works for a little while if I toggle developer mode off and on again
[15:32] <pete-woods> but soon stops working, requiring another toggle
[15:32] <ogra_> USB is generally a bit flaky on arale ... try using a slower connection like USB 2.0 or 1.1 ... 3.0 will definitely cause issues
[15:33] <pete-woods> I don't have USB 3
[15:33] <pete-woods> this also happens on krillin, though
[15:33] <pete-woods> makes silo testing quite a PITA
[15:33] <pete-woods> as it doesn't stay connected long enough to update the silo
[15:33] <ogra_> beyond that i dont know if the HWE teams work on researching that issue further, john-mcaleely might be able to tell
[15:34] <john-mcaleely> well, it is 'not widely reported' on krillin
[15:34] <john-mcaleely> to the extent I'd say, what's up with your setup :-)
[15:34] <ogra_> oh, i totally missed the krillin in the first sentence :P
[15:34] <john-mcaleely> krillin generally seems reliable
[15:35] <john-mcaleely> arale, on the other hand, flaky as a flaky thing
[15:35] <ogra_> my overheated brain just played back the standard answer here :P
[15:35] <john-mcaleely> use usb 2, cross your fingers, and repeat
[15:35] <pete-woods> my laptop only has usb2
[15:35] <john-mcaleely> try a different hub (for arale)
[15:36] <john-mcaleely> suspect your setup (for krillin)
[15:36] <pete-woods> it's almost like the adb daemon on the device is crashing
[15:36] <pete-woods>  / freezing
[15:36] <ogra_> tnen you would have reports in /var/crash
[15:36] <john-mcaleely> oh, or things you do to the image.
[15:36] <ogra_> well
[15:36] <ogra_> its wily
[15:36] <john-mcaleely> could the oom killer thingie kill it?
[15:36] <john-mcaleely> oh, wily?
[15:36] <ogra_> i wouldnt trust wily image at all currently
[15:36] <john-mcaleely> very new ground. here be demons
[15:36] <ogra_> yeah
[15:37] <john-mcaleely> I've never used it
[15:37] <pete-woods> right
[15:37] <ogra_> *especially* for C++
[15:37] <john-mcaleely> doubly, especially for anything ++
[15:37] <pete-woods> will flash to vivid if I can get through a bootstrap boot with it
[15:37] <pete-woods> are there special rules for arale
[15:37] <john-mcaleely> yeah. it's broken
[15:37] <pete-woods> (I seem to remember something like that)
[15:37] <ogra_> same as always ...
[15:37] <pete-woods> ah
[15:37] <john-mcaleely> use a known-good usb setup :-)
[15:37] <ogra_> different recovery.img indeed
[15:38] <john-mcaleely> oh, that, yes
[15:38] <ogra_> !devices
[15:38] <pete-woods> I have the different recovery image for krillin
[15:38] <ogra_> listed there in the table
[15:38] <pete-woods> there's one for arale too?
[15:38] <john-mcaleely> ooh. I didn't know the bot knew that
[15:38] <ogra_> yes
[15:38] <pete-woods> right
[15:38] <davmor2> ogra_: is the standard answer snappy fixes everything?
[15:38] <pete-woods> got it
[15:38] <pete-woods> thanks
[15:38] <ogra_> they are device specific
[15:38] <john-mcaleely> can we add !recovery ?
[15:38] <ogra_> davmor2, !
 my overheated brain just played back the standard answer here :P
[15:39] <ogra_> john-mcaleely, i bet we can, noit sure how though ... popey might know whom to ping
[15:39] <ogra_> dayeah, tha exclamation mark was to confirm your statement ;)
[15:39] <john-mcaleely> interesting. lets see :-)
[15:39] <ogra_> davmor2, ^
[15:40] <popey> wat wat?
[15:40] <popey> oh, to the bot, sure
[15:40] <ogra_> popey, adding commands to the bot, whom does john-mcaleely need to ping ?
[15:41] <ogra_> alan bell ?
[15:41] <john-mcaleely> I'd love it to know !recovery
[15:41] <ogra_> or the irc ops channel ?
[15:41] <popey> what do you want it to say?
[15:41] <popey> I can do that
[15:41] <john-mcaleely> !recovery
[15:41] <john-mcaleely> hrm
[15:41] <popey> you did that then
[15:41] <john-mcaleely> maybe
[15:41] <john-mcaleely> !recovery-flash
[15:41] <john-mcaleely> aha
[15:42] <popey> we can have a specific recovery entry just for this channel
[15:42] <ogra_> yeah
[15:42] <popey> just tell me what you want it to say
[15:42] <popey> which will override the one used in #ubuntu
[15:42] <ogra_> better than pointing to desktop recovery :)
[15:42] <john-mcaleely> "You need to use the right recovery.img for your device when flashing with adb: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[15:42] <john-mcaleely> "
[15:42] <john-mcaleely> lol
[15:42] <john-mcaleely> maybe so
[15:42] <ogra_> i would also point to the table ...
[15:42] <ogra_> there is so much content on that page
[15:43] <ogra_> the table gives a hint where to look for the link
[15:43] <john-mcaleely> true
[15:44] <popey> ubot5: recovery-#ubuntu-touch is <reply> You need to use the right recovery.img for your device when flashing with adb: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices#Working_with_ubuntu-device-flash
[15:44] <pete-woods> can anyone tell me the magic combination to get arale into fastboot mode? I've tried holding "vol up" on, but it takes me to the spinning ubuntu logo / recovery kernel thingy
[15:44] <john-mcaleely> !recovery
[15:44] <popey> it needs someone else to +1 I think
[15:44] <popey> hang fire
[15:45] <pete-woods> hmm, soft-bricked now, it seems :( no longer booting
[15:45] <john-mcaleely> pete-woods, "Long press Power + Down:"
[15:46] <pete-woods> john-mcaleely: thanks!
[15:49] <popey> !recovery
[15:49] <popey> \o/
[15:52] <davmor2> popey: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMvF2pPeb5E
[15:53] <popey> Radio 1!?
[15:53] <popey> thats for young people!
[15:53] <davmor2> popey: just listen to it
[15:53] <davmor2> popey: Plus I'm younger than you :P
[15:54] <popey> nice!
[15:54]  * popey downloads
[15:55] <popey> You win this time Mr Morley!
[15:56] <pete-woods> john-mcaleely: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12048900/
[15:56] <pete-woods> is what I end up with from fastboot / bootstrap
[15:57] <pete-woods> I'm obviously doing something wrong here..
[15:58] <john-mcaleely> pete-woods, looks like fastboot is up, and your usb is flaky
[15:58] <pete-woods> but to suddenly get flaky? after years of it working?
[15:58] <pete-woods> I guess it's possible
[15:59] <kenvandine> i had a cable go bad
[15:59] <kenvandine> suddenly got flaky
[15:59] <pete-woods> I already changed to two different cables
[15:59] <kenvandine> ok
[16:03] <pete-woods> okay, I apparently have like 3 dead USB cables..
[16:03] <pete-woods> a fourth one works!
[16:04] <faenil> bschaefer: pingie
[16:06] <bschaefer> faenil, pong
[16:11] <faenil> bschaefer: did you try getting apkenv to work on ubuntu touch?
[16:14] <bschaefer> faenil, i've not tried that out
[16:14] <ogra_> that only works for non java apps anyway, no ?
[16:15] <ogra_> (unless youo also provide the whole VM)
[16:15] <faenil> bschaefer: ok, I was thinking of giving that a spin whenever I have some free hacking time
[16:15] <faenil> bschaefer: what is the status of sdl2 on UT?
[16:15] <ogra_> works awesome
[16:15] <faenil> great
[16:15] <ogra_> install neveball, neverputt or tuxracer from the store ;)
[16:15] <faenil> ogra_: ok :D
[16:15] <ogra_> they all run natively on Mir via SDL2
[16:15] <faenil> cool stuff
[16:16] <ogra_> yep
[16:16] <faenil> I don't know much about apkenv atm, but I thought it could be a good starting point
[16:16] <faenil> I thought it was actually the opposite, it ran java apps but needed hacks for the ndk ones
[16:16] <faenil> but your point makes more sense
[16:17] <bschaefer> faenil, it should work fine as long as you use
[16:17] <bschaefer> faenil, what version of mir? If you're 0.12 you should be fine
[16:17] <bschaefer> if you are greater then that you'll need this branch:
[16:18] <bschaefer> https://code.launchpad.net/~brandontschaefer/+junk/SDL2-new-mir-ABI
[16:18] <ogra_> faenil, well, i only glanced over the docs of apkenv and it looked to me like it was only some re-pack thing ...
[16:18] <faenil> bschaefer: I don't know yet when I'll have time to play with that, I guess I'll ping you again when I actually start doing something with it :D
[16:18] <bschaefer> faenil, awesome would love to hear how that goes :)
[16:18] <faenil> :)
[16:18] <bschaefer> as far as tuxracer, thats SDL1.2 which i've a branch for
[16:19] <bschaefer> and it only works on the desktop (since no EGL support)
[16:19] <bschaefer> https://code.launchpad.net/~brandontschaefer/+junk/sdl1.2-mir
[16:20] <faenil> yeah, it's for ndk stuf...
[16:20] <faenil> well, some games at least should work :)
[16:20] <bschaefer> yeah :)
[16:20] <popey> bschaefer: i know icculus is working on a wrapper for sdl1.2 which presents itself as sdl2, so you can run sdl1.2 apps on sdl2
[16:20] <faenil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVDFurHbXlI
[16:20] <bschaefer> popey, yeeeah but he said that to me like... 1-2 years ago :)
[16:20] <popey> dunno how far he's got
[16:20] <popey> hahaha
[16:20] <faenil> :D
[16:20] <popey> he has the to-do list from hell
[16:20] <bschaefer> popey, not sure how much priority it has
[16:21] <bschaefer> yeah
[16:21] <bschaefer> i could only imagine :(
[16:21] <popey> he will never have no work, that guy
[16:21] <popey> which is a good thing I guess :)
[16:21] <bschaefer> haha yup
[16:22] <john-mcaleely> pete-woods, in fairness, I think it's more likely to be the arale usb controler, not your cables :-/
[16:23] <john-mcaleely> good to see it working (I got distracted for a while)
[16:24] <pete-woods> john-mcaleely: if it's useful information, it's a relatively expensive 1ft "Anker" cable that's working
[16:24] <pete-woods> maybe the short length helps
[16:25] <pete-woods>  / maybe the cable thickness
[16:25] <pete-woods> at any rate, it;'s working now :)
[16:25] <john-mcaleely> short seems to be a theme for 'working'
[16:28] <faenil> pete-woods: are you using a powered usb hub? (forgive me if this was asked already)
[16:28] <faenil> in case you aren't, that probably helps
[16:30] <pete-woods> faenil: I'm not, but it sounds like I need ti buy one
[16:30] <pete-woods> *to
[16:31] <faenil> we're waiting to get one delivered
[16:31] <faenil> to see if it actually helps
[17:49] <zzarr> hello :)
[17:53] <ogra_> beuno, http://paste.ubuntu.com/12049072/ ... is there a way to check if the timestamps of the clicks in the sotre are still correct after the upgrade ? we see the stuff in that paste in the generated custome tarballs since very recently
[17:54] <ogra_> beuno, oh, wait ... ignore me ... thats apparmor
[17:54] <beuno> ignored
[18:08] <davmor2> beuno: remember that ogra_ put no time limit on that ignore him ;)
[18:09] <ogra_> lol
[18:42] <zzarr> is it ok to leave suggestions here?
[18:42] <habs> barry: Hi, not sure if this is the right place, but new to system-image, trying to compile system-image-2.2 on a desktop 14.04 deriv and I get this error: http://sprunge.us/UJXS Do you know how I would go about fixing this?
[18:46] <zzarr> well, my idea is that it should be possible to mute notifications as well as incomming calls between different times
[18:51] <greyback_> popey: about?
[18:51] <popey> hello greyback_
[18:52] <greyback_> popey: hey, could you do me a quick favour: could you edit the summary of https://launchpad.net/qtmir and remove the first bullet point
[18:52] <greyback_> I think you're on the PSPM team so can do that
[18:52]  * greyback_ haz no powah
[18:52] <popey> greyback_: done. look okay?
[18:52] <greyback_> popey: will do nicely, thanks
[18:52] <popey> \o/
[18:52] <popey> np
[18:53] <barry> habs: system-image 2.2 is way old.  you should either try 3.0.1 or 2.5.1
[18:54] <barry> preferably 3.0.1
[19:02] <thepeter-web> Hi :)
[19:05] <thepeter-web> I have bought bq5 ubuntu edition and I would like to start with doing as real work as possible, but I have some questions (reagrding principles but also technical ones) who can I ask them please?
[19:07] <Guest82082> !question
[19:09] <popey> thepeter-web: yeah, just ask away here.
[19:09] <popey> or at askubuntu.com :)
[19:09] <thepeter-web> heh ok why is there a store with need for login do get apps? (I am linux user I know how packaging system work so why do I need to use login?)
[19:09] <popey> so that we can do things like deliver the same apps to all your devices, keep them in sync, re-download paid apps
[19:10] <thepeter-web> that is a very first one :D
[19:10] <popey> doing this on day one means it's easier to add those features later
[19:10] <popey> without having to say to people "okay, 2 years later, _now_ you need a login"
[19:11] <thepeter-web> poopey uhm okay but there is a way to use it with this feature is it?
[19:11] <popey> not all of it is implemented yet
[19:12] <thepeter-web> cuase that the kind of freedom I like on linux  (decentralisation)
[19:12] <thepeter-web> cause ^
[19:14] <thepeter-web> I just would like to u know open terminal and start scripting (optimal would be python, but as I've red official support won't be seen for it soon)
[19:15] <dobey> you bought a phone, but you want a PC?
[19:16] <thepeter-web> ehm I bought a device with some abilities somehwere between phone and PC :D
[19:16] <mcphail> thepeter-web: I can't see that anything stops you opening a terminal and starting scripting...
[19:17] <dobey> mcphail: probably the common complaint that certain things are not installed; like emacs
[19:17] <thepeter-web> I don't expect it to be PC, but yes I admit I want more than just smart phone
[19:17] <dobey> thepeter-web: https://askubuntu.com/questions/620740/recommended-way-to-install-regularcli-deb-packages-on-ubuntu-phone/623311#623311
[19:19] <mcphail> thepeter-web: the phone is remarkably hackable. You just need to spend a little bit of time working out the restrictions
[19:20] <thepeter-web> dobey cool thanks for link I just wanted to know if I can avoid using login and registering email and so on and just install terminal to open it for adjusments :P
[19:20] <dobey> no, you can't install apps from the store without logging in
[19:20] <thepeter-web> mcphail that is what I expect from it (since it is opensource :P)
[19:21] <dobey> you can side-load apps over adb if you have developer mode enabled, and the .click package file to be installed
[19:23] <ogra_> thepeter-web, being opensource doesnt say anything about the hackability when the binaries are on a device ;) ... that the phones are hackable at all is due to the manufacturers allowing that, you can lock down ubuntu on the phone as much as you can with android :)
[19:24] <ogra_> (so if the vendors wanted that they could ... )
[19:24] <thepeter-web> dobey okay, so I am on 15.04 r4 is there documetation about  system? (dir structures and so on), so I am gona get my login in the store to get terminal on :P
[19:25] <nhaines> thepeter-web: you'll have to download the source and compile the Terminal yourself.
[19:25] <nhaines> Then you can sideload it without issue.
[19:25] <dobey> thepeter-web: it is ubuntu
[19:26] <dobey> thepeter-web: the root filesystem is read-only (it is a phone, after all)
[19:26] <dobey> hence, the chroot method i linked to
[19:26] <thepeter-web> orga_ hackability is probably a strong word used by mcphail :D I just want to adjust it as linux machine adjusted can be :P
[19:26] <mcphail> thepeter-web: file system is similar to stock ubuntu. Clicks packages (e.g. apps from app store) get installed under /opt
[19:26] <ogra_> thepeter-web, you can do that ... within the bounds of the system ....
[19:27] <mcphail> thepeter-web: by "hackability" I mean I can write an app in almost any language and expect it to run. That is fairly cool
[19:27] <ogra_> ou can also hack nearly any part of the system ... technically :)
[19:28] <dobey> or with an axe
[19:28] <ogra_> (there are some binary blob drivers that you cant ... obviously)
[19:28] <nhaines> I'm more than a little impressed that all the OEMs were fine with shipping with unlocked bootloaders.
[19:28] <thepeter-web> dobey okay but there are still specific thing to work with which I would not expect to be covered on computer but I'll just look for them
[19:28] <dobey> i don't know what you mean
[19:28] <nhaines> thepeter-web: you're being awfully vague about it.
[19:28] <ogra_> nhaines, yeah, both commpanies acted really great here
[19:28] <ogra_> -m
[19:29] <mcphail> thepeter-web: you'll need to get used to app confinement and lifecycle management
[19:29] <thepeter-web> mcphail I would like to get to that point too ... in time :P
[19:29] <nhaines> ogra_: even locked but unlockable would have been disappointing but acceptable.  Barely.  :)
[19:29] <thepeter-web> mcphail even with "my own small apps" ?
[19:29] <mcphail> thepeter-web: yep
[19:29] <ogra_> yeah, well, a nexus like way was what i hoped for initially ... we got far more ;)
[19:30] <dobey> nhaines: when an ubuntu phone is in "will it blend?" then you'll know we have been successful
[19:30] <ogra_> +1
[19:30] <mcphail> thepeter-web: for your own apps, you can break confinement but it isn't so easy to break lifecycle management.
[19:30] <nhaines> ogra_: until then, it's slightly less whining in /r/Ubuntu by people who won't buy the phone anyway, so it all works out for me.  :P
[19:31] <thepeter-web> nhaines sorry for that :) it is because I don't have absolutelly clear idea what adjusments I would like to do since don't really know yet how much is the system "locked" as orga_ menioned
[19:32] <thepeter-web> so I am just starting my imagination on this one
[19:32] <ogra_> thepeter-web, well, nothng is locked ... but if you make the readonly bit writable and modify it you can break it badly
[19:32] <ogra_> for example
[19:33] <ogra_> if you really want to dig in ... the first thing you shuld do is find out how to re-flash it ;)
[19:33] <ogra_> then just break it badly til you found your middle ground (or a proper way) for doing what you want
[19:34] <thepeter-web> orga_ I am very well aware of that danger :P that's why I went here to prenet as much dammage as possible :P
[19:34] <ogra_> we are here for any concrete questions ;)
[19:35] <ogra_> and i'd also suggest to subscribe to the ML
[19:35] <Fgmeizu> Who is familiar with making scopes via scopecreator
[19:35] <ogra_> Fgmeizu, cwayne can surely point you in the right direction
[19:36] <thepeter-web> ok so ... I have my contacts exported from old phone, and  I want to import them avoiding thirt party servers connections an so on ... I have them physically copied to the phone, is there a way to just import them to "contacts"?
[19:36] <Fgmeizu> Allright have tried to make one, installed it on my meizu but not the result I expected
[19:36] <Fgmeizu> Then made a few builds....
[19:37] <Fgmeizu> But think i made a mess now in my phone "click wise"
[19:39] <Fgmeizu> How can i see what packages are installed and how can I remove them from my phone?
[19:39] <ogra_> thepeter-web, the phone uses syncevolution and i think it is possible to import vcf contacts (not sure about bulk, i use google contacts) ... SIm import and google contact import are the only ones that currently have UI support
[19:39] <dobey> Fgmeizu: "click list"
[19:39] <Fgmeizu> Saw somethink in the net like click list, but the package is not listed
[19:40] <dobey> what package is not listed?
[19:40] <Fgmeizu> The click package of the scope i made
[19:40] <ogra_> how did you install it ?
[19:40] <Fgmeizu> Via scopecreator......scopecreator build
[19:41] <dobey> that builds a click i guess, but i don't think it installs it?
[19:41]  * ogra_ has never used scopecreator but i would guess the same
[19:41] <Fgmeizu> Ok, so where on the phone is it? Because the scope is there
[19:42] <Fgmeizu> Sorry the package
[19:42] <dobey> well the contents of the click package would get unpacked under /opt/click.ubuntu.com/
[19:43] <dobey> what exactly is your problem?
[19:43] <ogra_> adb shell pkcon install-local --allow-untrusted /tmp/$PACKAGENAME
[19:43] <Fgmeizu> I tried to make a scope....white screen, no logo, no title.....
[19:43] <ogra_> hmm, it actually installs it
[19:44] <dobey> ogra_: oh, eww
[19:44] <ogra_> looking at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~scopecreator-team/scopecreator/trunk/view/head:/usr/bin/scopecreator
[19:44] <Fgmeizu> So worked a bit in scopecreator config....branding etc
[19:44] <thepeter-web> orga_ I know here is no simple UI for that, will use man to find text config, but step by step, first the terminal and some text editor :P
[19:45] <popey> we ship nano and vi by default on the phone
[19:45] <popey> so you're okay for editors..
[19:45] <popey> ..unless you're some kind of emacs *pervert*
[19:45] <dobey> popey: you have a very boring definition of editor
[19:45] <ogra_> ultraedit FTW !!
[19:46] <popey> "can edit files" is good enough for me
[19:46] <mcphail> cat ftw
[19:46] <nhaines> nano is the new ed.
[19:46] <dobey> it's the plain annoying vi
[19:46] <dobey> not vim
[19:46] <Fgmeizu> Uh, i am a normal guy that tries to explore ubuntu touch
[19:46] <ogra_> vi is for vinners !
[19:46] <thepeter-web> popey cool :D that will very well sufice
[19:46] <dobey> and they behave quite differently
[19:46] <popey> Fgmeizu: welcome to the madhouse
[19:47] <ogra_> Fgmeizu, i fear you reaally have to wait for cwayne to show up, he wrote that tool
[19:47] <Fgmeizu> S***t, i am no developer or computer wizz....
[19:47] <nhaines> I'm looking forward to running LibreOffice 5.0 on my tablet.  :)
[19:47] <popey> soon...
[19:48] <dobey> Fgmeizu: i presume you haven't checked the scope logs either?
[19:48] <ogra_> Fgmeizu, that is why you should wait for the one that can help you to show up :)
[19:48]  * thepeter-web just found out that file:/// works on browser 
[19:48] <ogra_> yep
[19:48] <Fgmeizu> I just have this phone for one month and just 2 weeks looking around these kind of things....
[19:49] <ogra_> there is also a filemanager app :)
[19:49] <mcphail> thepeter-web: you are one step away from writing your first webapp for ubuntu!
[19:49] <ogra_> lol
[19:49] <nhaines> I noticed last night that the browser now has visible tabs on my Nexus 7... at least it does in landscape mode!
[19:50]  * ogra_ wants a fullsceen button in the menu
[19:50] <ogra_> my latest store upload only exists because i couldnt get the game to switch to fullscreen :P
[19:50] <nhaines> The gesture shortcut for fullscreen should be a 6 finger tap.  :P
[19:51] <dobey> nhaines: or throwing the phone against a wall
[19:51] <dobey> "project it, there!"
[19:51] <ogra_> why 6 if you can take 9 ?
[19:51] <thepeter-web> mcphail :D :D I take these jokes as any noob should :P (I just hope I just didn't broke CoC by writing this :P)
[19:51] <Fgmeizu> Dobey: where do I find these?
[19:51] <mcphail> thepeter-web: I was semi-serious :)
[19:52] <thepeter-web> mcphail okay then :)
[19:52] <dobey> Fgmeizu: /home/phablet/.cache/upstart/scope-registry.log might have some errors when you try to use your scope. if you tail it, and watch it while trying to use y our scope, you might see it can't get results, or such
[19:52] <ogra_> thepeter-web, technically you could implement a file browser with a few lines of meta data in a click package that way ...
[19:52] <ogra_> mcphail is right ;)
[19:52] <ogra_> (as a webapp)
[19:53] <mcphail> thepeter-web: i really like the web renderer on Ubuntu, as used by the browser and the webapps. Very fast and standards-compliant
[19:53] <Fgmeizu> Dobey: ok
[19:55] <Fgmeizu> Dobey: just removing the package from the phone and trying to build again, opion? I have all files on the pc as well
[19:56] <thepeter-web> orga_ :) and thats why I wanted the documentation on 15.04 (r4) in the first place :P is there a blog of somebody decsribing how he/she did it? (u know examples ... easiest to learn on them :P)
[19:57] <dobey> Fgmeizu: ok. i'm just giving you hints on where to look to find out what's not working for you, so that you may fix it. i've not used that script myself, and i don't know what you're trying to do exactly
[19:57] <dobey> thepeter-web: i presume they all did it on an actual PC, using the SDK :)
[19:58] <dobey> which has fairly decent documentation, and a template for creating a web app :)
[19:58] <thepeter-web> dobey uhm you are probably right :P
[19:59]  * ogra_ does it using vi in a terminal ;) 
[19:59] <dobey> yeah, i did it with emacs
[19:59] <dobey> i have an aversion to IDEs
[20:00] <Fgmeizu> Dobey sorry, i am a nono programming wise so 89% you tell me is new.....but I am lerning
[20:00] <ogra_> even my QML ones
[20:00] <Fgmeizu> Learning
[20:01] <thepeter-web> orga_ or dobey wil you share there few lines with me?
[20:01] <thepeter-web> these ^
[20:01] <nhaines> thepeter-web: have you been to http://developer.ubuntu.com/ ?
[20:02] <thepeter-web> nhaines yes but the thing is that phone is the only ubuntu device I currently have :P
[20:02] <ogra_> thepeter-web, http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/day-d-app.tgz ... thats a game i just uploaded to the stoe today
[20:03] <nhaines> thepeter-web: then only read the developer documentation for the phone?
[20:03] <ogra_> took about 10min of work (since i have the files as templates)
[20:03] <ogra_> thepeter-web, untar ... then run: click build day-d/
[20:03] <ogra_> that produces a click package
[20:04] <ogra_> to get the click command use the SDK PPA to install it
[20:05] <ogra_> on the phone you can then use pkcon to install the produced click
[20:05] <ogra_> (clicks get installed as user, not system wide like debs)
[20:06] <thepeter-web> orga_ thx will try it ... oh okay I am going to get thourgh that registration on store
[20:07] <mcphail> thepeter-web: ogra_ , not orga_ :)
[20:09] <thepeter-web> mcphail ups thx it seems I am too tired, so ... enough humiliation for today
[20:09] <nhaines> I for one always appreciate how helpful orca_ is to everyone.
[20:11] <thepeter-web> thank for first contact chat will CU here sooner or later :P
[20:12]  * thepeter-web starts his own ubuntu touch exploration expedition, that's he always like on linux - exploring everything
[20:12] <mcphail> thepeter-web: enjoy!
[20:13] <thepeter-web> mcphail :) thanks I already do :P
[20:57] <abacustard> helloooo - quick one - what do I have to do with .img files to adb sideload them?
[20:58] <abacustard> specifically - wily-preinstalled-system-armel+grouper.img wily-preinstalled-recovery-armel+grouper.img and wily-preinstalled-boot-armhf+grouper.img
[20:58] <abacustard> Bueller - anyone?
[21:05] <nhaines> !patience | abacustard
[21:15] <abacustard> plse could someone advise me as to how to sideload touch on Nexus 7 grouper
[21:15] <abacustard> specifically - wily-preinstalled-system-armel+grouper.img wily-preinstalled-recovery-armel+grouper.img and wily-preinstalled-boot-armhf+grouper.img
[21:18] <nhaines> abacustard: what do you mean by "sideload"?
[21:20] <abacustard> adb sideload from my laptop into CWM
[21:22] <abacustard> i had tried phablet-flash ubuntu-system --channel /ubuntu-touch/stable/ubuntu-developer/generic
[21:22] <abacustard> and
[21:22] <abacustard> various other channels but I can't find a channel with a json for grouper
[21:24] <nhaines> Sorry, I thought 'grouper' was the name for the GSM version of 'flo'.
[21:24] <mcphail> abacustard: what one is grouper? is that the 2012 or 2013 nexus 7?
[21:24] <nhaines> Grouper isn't supported and can't run Ubuntu.
[21:24] <nhaines> mcphail: it's the wifi 2012 model.
[21:24] <mcphail> nhaines: I think the 2012 ones can't run ubuntu
[21:25] <mcphail> nhaines: sorry - nick error!
[21:25] <mcphail> abacustard: ^
[21:27] <abacustard> i had quantal running earlier
[21:27] <abacustard> but it was pretty unresponsive
[21:27] <nhaines> If you want to run Ubuntu on it, you'll need to port it yourself.
[21:27] <nhaines> And there are no graphics drivers available if I recall.
[21:41] <abacustard> thanks nhaines
[21:41] <abacustard> xda seems to have a few successes
[21:46] <nhaines> abacustard: Hopefully so!
[21:48] <abacustard> still a bit confised as to why the developer preview would work but nothing else BUT confusion is a state I am cofmortable with so hey ho
[21:48] <mcphail> abacustard: support was dropped
[21:48] <nhaines> abacustard: because AOSP dropped support for the hardware.
[21:50] <nhaines> They spend significant time and resources trying to port it, but it was resources they didn't have.  And since they were almost a year off from their announced release date even after dropping support for the Galaxy Nexus and Nexus 7 (2012), I'd say it was probably the right call, no matter how annoyed I was about it.  :)
[21:50] <abacustard> makes sense - thanks so much for your help nhaines
[21:51] <nhaines> abacustard: sure.  Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but maybe you saved some time.  See if anyone's still working on it over at xda perhaps!
[21:51] <abacustard> and mcphail!
[21:52] <abacustard> re: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current/
[21:53] <abacustard> why are there grouper.img listed?
[21:53] <habs> barry: I'd like to but I really can't because I'm working on a patch for an Ubuntu 14.04 LTS deriv and system-image-2.2 is the latest supported version in Trusty
[21:53] <nhaines> Because they commited to maintaining the daily builds so that if the community stepped up and did the port, they'd accept the patches upstream so that everyone could use them.
[21:54] <habs> barry: Does it seem like my problem http://sprunge.us/UJXS is related to the package version / will be fixed in a newer one? If so I could try compiling the newer version but I'd still need for it to work on the older one
[21:56] <barry> habs: i'm almost positive the permission error is fixed in later versions, and the timeouts were due to race conditions that were also fixed.
[21:56] <abacustard> nhaines: ok I understand now - thanks again
[21:56] <nhaines> abacustard: it was a good question. :)
[22:41] <mterry> ralsina, hello!  I see that once upon the time, you set ubuntu-push to not show a notification when the greeter is up.  Why is that?  Feels weirdly out-of-sorts with how we treat SMS