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NairwolfHi ;)00:21
nhainesMeeting in just over 15 minutes!01:42
DonkeyHoteio/01:48
* ianorlin knows01:50
* Roguehorse is here o/ .. be back in like 5/10 min01:52
ianorlinhi01:54
DonkeyHoteithe agenda looks remarkably blank01:56
nhainesThat's because it is.01:56
ianorlinyeah01:56
NairwolfI'm here ;)01:57
nhainesWelcome.  :)01:58
DonkeyHoteii have observed that the #ubuntu-us-ca meetings and BerkeleyLUG/Ubuntu Hour Berkeley are typically on the same day, and if i attend one, i end up not making it to the other01:58
nhainesYou should ask them to change their meeting dates.01:59
nhainesOr else to put the IRC channel on a projector.01:59
DonkeyHoteitime in transit is the issue01:59
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DonkeyHotei[Sun 2015-08-09 06:48:52 PM PDT] <DonkeyHotei> o/02:00
nhainesWelcome to tonight's Ubuntu California LoCo meeting!  The agenda can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/15August902:00
darthrobotTitle: [CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/15August9 - Ubuntu Wiki]02:00
nhaines#topic Upcoming events02:01
nhainesDoes anyone have any events they'd like to announce?02:01
* ianorlin does not know of any02:02
* Roguehorse nope02:02
DonkeyHoteinew horizons getting closer to the kuiper belt? idk02:02
* Nairwolf is listening02:03
nhainesWell, it is the middle of summer.  :)02:03
nhaines#topic Announcements02:04
DonkeyHoteiubuntu-flavored ice cream?02:04
nhainesI gave an encore presentation of my "Writing and Publishing Books with Free Software" talk at OCLUG yesterday.02:04
* ianorlin saw it and was interesting02:04
Roguehorse=)02:04
nhainesIt was very well received, I got some great questions after, and it was filmed, so in a week or two I hope to post it to YouTube.02:05
nhainesSo that was fun!02:05
NairwolfThat's sound great, I could share it with a swiss writer as soon as it would be available on YT02:06
nhainesDoes anyone else have any news or announcements they'd like to share?02:06
nhainesNairwolf: fantastic!  I'll announce the link on the mailing list when it's up.02:06
Nairwolfnhaines : ok ;)02:06
nhaines#topic Other business02:08
nhainesSince there are no other agenda items tonight, are there any other topics before we wrap things up?02:09
NairwolfIs it the time to ask questions ?02:10
nhainesIf they are related to the LoCo, yes.02:10
DonkeyHoteimaybe lug reports02:10
nhainesDonkeyHotei: what do you mean?02:11
DonkeyHoteiwell if there were any questions about ubuntu coming from lugs02:11
nhainesDonkeyHotei: those belong on the mailing list unless they are time-critical.02:12
NairwolfI would like to know if an Ubuntu Hour is expected next Wednesday at San Francisco. It's supposed to be the second Wednesday of the month : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/UbuntuHours02:12
darthrobotTitle: [CaliforniaTeam/Projects/UbuntuHours - Ubuntu Wiki]02:12
pleia2Nairwolf: no one has stepped up to host anything, and I'l traveling on the 12th02:13
nhainespleia2: oh, you beat me to checking the LoCo directory.  :)02:14
ianorlinare there docs on how to host this02:14
nhaineshttp://wiki.ubuntu.com/Hour02:14
darthrobot[R: wiki.ubuntu.com] Title: [Hour - Ubuntu Wiki]02:14
NairwolfOk, ok...02:14
pleia2Nairwolf: sorry, will have one in September (and a Debian Dinner right after!)02:14
Nairwolfnice ;)02:15
NairwolfI supposed it would be annonced on the ml ?02:15
NairwolfSo, this is the meeting planned at California ? http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-california/events/02:15
darthrobotTitle: [Ubuntu California Events List | Ubuntu LoCo Team Portal]02:15
NairwolfI don't know how much it's updated.02:16
pleia2yes, all events go there02:16
Nairwolfok02:16
nhainesNot all organizers use the tool, but for those who do, they're pretty consistent.02:17
pleia2ah, yeah, I don't see the san diego events on there much :\02:17
pleia2but we try to get folks to use it, since that's what we use for reports and reapproval and things02:17
ianorlin+1 pleia202:18
nhainesNairwolf: good question, though!02:18
nhainesAnything else before we wrap up?02:19
DonkeyHotei[Sun 2015-08-09 07:04:20 PM PDT] <DonkeyHotei> ubuntu-flavored ice cream?02:19
nhainesAlrighty.  The next meeting is August 23rd, same time.  Have a good evening everybody!02:20
nhaines#endmeeting02:20
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NairwolfThank nhaines ;)02:20
RoguehorseTY02:20
NairwolfI have a personnal question. You're not obliged to answer. It just curiosity.02:26
NairwolfAre you engaged with some project with Ubuntu, as developper, QA team, or communication ? Or just users and support ?02:27
Nairwolf"Just" doesn't mean that it's less important.02:27
pleia2gosh, ahoneybun (Florida LoCo, Kubuntu) is telling me he wants to do a Werewolf themed release party for 15.1002:27
nhainesAre you asking me specifically?02:28
nhainesakk: howdy!  :)02:28
pleia2so I'm googling werewolf parties, and oh my gosh, so jealous, I want to do it too, but will be in Japan for release time02:28
akkhi nhaines!02:28
pleia2so someone else should do this, because it's the best idea ever02:28
nhainesakk: I have to start my second draft for my book tomorrow.  I'm trying not to think about it!  :)02:28
nhainespleia2: haha02:28
* akk has been outside transfixed watching a bat hunting, sometimes flying within a foot of my head02:28
Nairwolfnhaines : not for you specifically02:28
akknhaines: Second draft is way easier than the first ... it'll be fun!02:29
nhainesakk: that's what I keep telling my editors and also myself.  :)02:29
akkWerewolf parties sound fun.02:29
akkThough the page I found didn't mention what I think would be the most fun -- the sing (howl)-along.02:30
nhainesLuckily, I had a 77k word novel to edit this week so I didn't have to feel guilty about ignoring my book until Monday.02:30
* akk doesn't have a deep enough voice to do a credible wolf, but I could be a great coyote02:30
pleia2hehe02:30
Nairwolfpleia2 : Are you talking about this french game ? https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Les_Loups-garous_de_Thiercelieux#Extension_n.C2.B0_1_:_Les_Loups-garous_de_Thiercelieux_-_Nouvelle_lune02:30
darthrobotTitle: [Les Loups-garous de Thiercelieux — Wikipédia]02:30
pleia2Nairwolf: no, I'm talking about the next Ubuntu release being called Wily Werewolf so Halloween-timed release parties that are werewolf themed sounds fun02:31
* pleia2 just googled for "werewolf birthday party"02:31
Nairwolfyes, that sounds cool ;)02:32
DonkeyHoteiWily Nairwolf02:33
pleia2Nairwolf: re: developer, I used to maintain some Debian packages (which end up in Ubuntu), but I really do that anymore, some QA for Xubuntu (and I run the social media accounts for Xubuntu), and probably other things I forget02:33
pleia2oh, I publish the ubuntu weekly newsletter most weeks02:33
Nairwolfyou're doing a lot of things pleia2 ;)02:34
pleia2true story02:35
nhainesI'm a leader of the California LoCo (which means I make it easier for other people to do things), I'm on the LoCo Council (same) and I do presentations and run booths from time to time.02:35
nhainespleia2: +102:35
NairwolfI'm interested by Xubuntu as I use it ;)02:35
pleia2Nairwolf: yay :)02:35
pleia2we need more folks testing ISOs, the QA lead for the project just sent an email about it today https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2015-August/010848.html02:35
darthrobotTitle: [Daily Image Testing]02:35
Nairwolfnhaines : Nice ;) But, it's true that you have already made a presentation for me ;)02:35
NairwolfI'll check that02:36
pleia2Nairwolf: feel free to join #xubuntu-devel at any time, tell them I sent you if they give you any trouble ;)02:36
NairwolfI like also the Lubuntu family because it's this family which welcomed me to the FOSS world. But, it's true that I would prefer to help for something I use every day.02:36
pleia2but they should be helpful if you're trying to do testing02:37
NairwolfIt's also easier to test because you know the system02:37
* pleia2 nods02:37
pleia2you know what is supposed to be happening02:37
Nairwolfeven if I'm more interesting by development, I don't have a good level yet, I'm still learning02:37
pleia2woo, my husband is over ecuador!02:37
* pleia2 watches flightaware02:38
nhainesYay!02:38
akkYou're such a globe-trotting family!02:39
Nairwolf^^02:39
pleia2akk: this year is a big one for us, in Peru now, going to Japan in October (both my conferences that he's tagging along after/before to do touristing)02:40
akkBoth of those sound like such wonderful places to see!02:41
Nairwolfok, I'll do that02:41
* akk has several friends in Peru now, doing Machu Pichu and I know I'm missing a letter in there somewhere02:41
NairwolfTonight, I have to work for a personnal project, so...02:41
pleia2yeah, I've wanted to come to Peru since I was a kid (our land lord growing up was from Peru, meeting up with one of his daughters who I went to school with and now lives here tomorrow)02:41
NairwolfBut, I should do that this week02:41
pleia2akk: nice! we're doing 2 days in Lima, 2 days in Cusco and 2 days in Machu Picchu02:42
pleia2I've been here in Lima since Thursday though, for UbuCon Latin America02:42
Nairwolfpleia2 : In which language do you develop ?02:42
pleia2Nairwolf: I'm a systems administrator, so I write decent bash and marginal Perl and Python02:43
akkpleia2: How is the conference as an English speaker? Or is your Spanish good?02:43
pleia2akk: well, my keynote was the only English talk, but most people seemed to understand (and my slides were bi-lingual)02:43
akkOh, bilingual slides are a great idea.02:44
akkI never thought about how much that would help.02:44
pleia2slides, context and my weak spanish skills got me through the rest of the conference02:44
pleia2I didn't understand everything, but I could loosely follow along with most talks02:44
pleia2there were a couple speakers whose spanish I struggled with02:44
pleia2(I think because of accents, one was from Brazil and the other from Belgium)02:45
akkEven in Australia, I noticed a big difference in how well I followed speakers' accents.02:45
nhainespleia2: someone asked me to talk at Ubucon Germany next year in German.  I said I would do it if I had a teleprompter!  ;)02:45
pleia2nhaines: hehe02:45
akkThe experienced speakers in the main conference, I never had a problem; beginner speakers from .au speaking in the miniconfs, sometimes I could barely understand a word.02:45
Nairwolfpleia2 : that's nice. I have some experiences with Python02:45
pleia2it was actually easier to understand the presentations then it was conversations at dinner and things, I think without context and a more conversational format I am not as good at understanding02:46
akkI try to understand people's Spanish here and mostly fail utterly, but of course they're chattering to each other and not giving a technical talk with slides. :)02:46
pleia2oh, and some presenters speak quickly02:47
pleia2which is really hard, since normal pace sounds fast to me :)02:47
Nairwolfspanish people speaks really fast ;)02:47
akkI find that especially hard in Spanish -- it always sounds so fast.02:47
akkIn English in Australia, speed wasn't an issue -- dunno if you've ever heard Pia Waugh, but she has a clock rate about 3x most people's, and speaks that way02:48
akkbut she's a very experienced speaker and I never had any trouble understanding her.02:48
DonkeyHoteiaccording to someone in sf-lug from south america, speaking slowly = sarcastic/patronizing02:49
pleia2ah, no, haven't seen her speak02:49
pleia2I could probably use some patronizing :)02:49
akkMe too. :)02:50
pleia2it was fun though, I could show off my command of spanish nouns02:50
Nairwolfpleia2 : There is something i don't understand in the mail. Xubuntu 15.10 is supposed to be supported for 3 years ?02:51
Nairwolfit's a non-lts version !02:51
akkI like the nouns. Verbs give me fits.02:51
pleia2"that fruit... manzana!" and at dinner we saw a cat "un gato!"02:51
pleia2they all thought I was terribly amusing :)02:51
akklol02:51
pleia2Nairwolf: it may be worded poorly, but it's talking about 16.04 "XX" when talking about 3 years02:52
Nairwolfok, my english sucks ;)02:52
pleia2I had to read the XX bit of the email twice too, then I realized oh... X comes after W, the LTS will be Xenolithic Xoloitzcuintle02:53
pleia2or maybe Mark will skip a letter :)02:53
pleia2(just kidding about the name, he hasn't announced it)02:54
pleia2but now I kind of want a Xoloitzcuintle02:54
DonkeyHoteii have no idea what that is02:54
pleia2mexican hairless dog02:55
pleia2google shows me pictures02:55
NairwolfOh, that's why it's writen XX ;)02:55
pleia2Nairwolf: right!02:55
akkpleia2: I had pound puppies growing up that we were pretty sure were mostly Xolos.02:55
pleia2akk: aw, neat02:55
akkThe woman we got them from said they were Chinese Crested, but they didn't look anything like cresteds02:55
pleia2hah02:55
akkand then we saw a photo of a xolo somewhere it and looked exactly like our male dog02:56
akk(his sister was much weirder).02:56
akkI can't remember if I scanned in any of those old photos ...02:56
* akk looks02:56
DonkeyHoteii'm not sure Xenolithic is even a word02:56
akkDarn, no photos scanned in. I need to do that some time.02:57
pleia2DonkeyHotei: rock-like?02:58
pleia2:)02:58
pleia2I dunno, I just pulled two words off https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames#X02:58
darthrobotTitle: [DevelopmentCodeNames - Ubuntu Wiki]02:58
akkpleia2: If you do ever get a xolo, get used to questions like "Did he have the mange?" and "He looks like an elephant!"02:59
pleia2akk: haha, oh boy03:00
pleia2do you need to put lotion on them or something?03:00
akkWe very rarely did. His skin was pretty rough but it didn't ever crack or anything.03:01
pleia2we'll likely end up with a more standard american family dog, I think my husband wants a lab or retriever03:01
akkAnd we tried putting sweaters on him in winter but he was so active he got them balled up around his shoulders right away, and we gave up.03:01
pleia2I still want an adopted greyhound for real though <303:01
pleia2haha03:01
akkGreyhounds are so beautiful.03:01
pleia2yeah03:01
akkI like smart dogs, so I'd probably go for a border collie, Australian shepherd or Siberian husky or something like that if I got one.03:02
pleia2my best friend growing up had one, she was very sweet and afraid of the cat03:02
akk(Except I'd probably get a shelter dog, so it wouldn't be a purebred anything.)03:02
pleia2I do love border collies03:03
pleia2I'm really a cat person though03:03
pleia2dogs are a lot of work and smell like dogs03:03
akkI don't have the option of being a cat person -- allergic.03:03
pleia2ah, yeah03:03
akkNot to all cats, but more to adults than to kittens so it would be too risky to get a cat and maybe become allergic later.03:04
* pleia2 nods03:04
akkAllergies are actually why we got a hairless dog when I was a kid03:04
akkthough I'm almost never allergic to dogs even when they have fur, so it didn't really matter.03:04
akkMy mom was worried about it, though.03:04
pleia2yeah03:05
akkThen we got his sister a little later, and she had (patchy) hair.03:05
pleia2I had cats when I was little, but then we moved to a house where we couldn't have uncaged pets03:06
pleia2so much sad03:06
pleia2but I had quite the caged menagerie03:07
akkThat is sad!03:07
akkBut good that you were able to have animals, even if caged.03:07
pleia2chinchillas were my favorite03:07
pleia2and now I am in the land of the chinchillas!03:07
pleia2(and llamas)03:08
akkOh wow, that's an exotic pet. Do they make good pets?03:08
akkI guess so if they were your fave.03:08
pleia2they do, bouncy and partially litter trainable (can keep them out of their cage for a while, like rabbits)03:08
akkHow fun! They're certainly cute.03:08
akk(In photos ... I've never seen one IRL.)03:08
pleia2petco often has them03:08
pleia2I got really into them as a teen, there were breeders around Maine and we ended up with all the colors they come in03:09
pleia2http://princessleia.com/chinchillas.php03:09
akkI don't think the one in Campbell ever did, or maybe I just didn't go to the right part of the store.03:09
darthrobotTitle: [PrincessLeia.com - Chinchillas]03:09
pleia2my first one had seizures :(03:09
akkSo cute! I didn't even know they came in colors. :( for the seizures though.03:10
nhainespleia2: do you know why cats aren't called "llamas"?03:10
pleia2nhaines: haha, tell me03:10
nhainesBecause they never come when you call them anyway.03:10
pleia2oh! haha!03:10
pleia2spanish jokes03:10
pleia2:)03:11
DonkeyHoteimy cat did03:11
akkhaha03:11
DonkeyHoteii miss him03:11
nhainesMy cat looks at me like "really?"03:11
pleia2well yeah, my siamese does, my mau will when he feels like it03:11
nhainesAlthough if I wiggle my finger and click at him he'll usually come over for a quick pat.03:11
pleia2I haven't seen a llama yet, I complained to jose ;)03:12
josehey, you saw one on my phone!03:12
pleia2jose: I think maybe I will see one tomorrow in miraflores, right?03:12
pleia2haha03:12
pleia2or else, cusco :)03:12
joseoh, you're gonna see flowers in moraflores03:12
josemiraflores*03:13
pleia2they're taking us to see the ocean too03:13
joseyou're going to larcomar? huaca pucllana?03:13
akkI've seen llamas in the bay area! (There's a house that keeps them next to one of the trails at Los Trancos.)03:13
DonkeyHoteibut ocean you could see here03:13
pleia2jose: this is the trip we booked http://www.viator.com/tours/Lima/7-Day-Lima-and-Cusco-Tour-with-Overnight-at-Machu-Picchu/d928-5243MPSUN03:14
pleia2scroll down a bit for Itinerary03:14
darthrobotError opening URL: timed out03:14
joselol03:14
pleia2s/airport/my hotel :)03:14
* jose checks03:14
pleia2"You'll also see “Huaca Pucllana” which is also located in Miraflores."03:14
pleia2ah, thre we go :)03:14
josepleia2: did you claim your welcome drink at the hotel?03:15
pleia2yep03:15
pleia2well, I claimed the ticket03:15
joseoh cool03:15
pleia2not the actual drink, because travel dehydration :\03:15
joseyeah, that's cool03:15
pleia2but now I kind of want to wait until mjoseph gets here to have my first pisco sour03:15
pleia2(his plane is over peru now!)03:16
josewoot woot!03:16
josepersonal recommendation when you get to cusco03:16
josesleep sleep sleep sleep sleep03:16
joseit helps to get used to the altitude03:16
NairwolfOk, guys, I come back to my vimtutor ;)03:16
pleia2haha, yeah, the Canonical guys were telling me their stories about dying from altitude03:16
josehehe03:17
pleia2"we thought we were ok, then we walked a block and went back to the hotel for a nap"03:17
joseyeah, since you have less oxygen you get tired REALLY quickly!03:17
josehappened to me too03:17
* pleia2 nods03:18
akkpfft, Lima isn't even as high as my house. :)03:18
akk(We did take a while before we could hike here without getting lightheaded)03:19
pleia2akk: not lima, cusco03:19
akkAh! Now that's high.03:19
pleia2cusco is 11,000 feet03:19
DonkeyHoteidon't they use meters?03:19
pleia2DonkeyHotei: yes, but I don't03:19
akkAnd she knows I don't either. :)03:19
akk(Though I do have /usr/bin/units)03:20
pleia2hehe03:20
nhainesianorlin: can you do the post meeting stuff this week?  Tomorrow, maybe?06:00
ianorlinnhaines: yes I should06:23
nhainesianorlin: thanks!  Let me know by Wednesday if you haven't gotten to it, and I'll set aside some time.06:24

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