[00:21] Hi ;) [01:42] Meeting in just over 15 minutes! [01:48] o/ [01:50] * ianorlin knows [01:52] * Roguehorse is here o/ .. be back in like 5/10 min [01:54] hi [01:56] the agenda looks remarkably blank [01:56] That's because it is. [01:56] yeah [01:57] I'm here ;) [01:58] Welcome. :) [01:58] i have observed that the #ubuntu-us-ca meetings and BerkeleyLUG/Ubuntu Hour Berkeley are typically on the same day, and if i attend one, i end up not making it to the other [01:59] You should ask them to change their meeting dates. [01:59] Or else to put the IRC channel on a projector. [01:59] time in transit is the issue [02:00] #startmeeting [02:00] Meeting started Mon Aug 10 02:00:16 2015 UTC. The chair is nhaines. Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [02:00] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [02:00] [Sun 2015-08-09 06:48:52 PM PDT] o/ [02:00] Welcome to tonight's Ubuntu California LoCo meeting! The agenda can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/15August9 [02:00] Title: [CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/15August9 - Ubuntu Wiki] [02:01] #topic Upcoming events [02:01] Does anyone have any events they'd like to announce? [02:02] * ianorlin does not know of any [02:02] * Roguehorse nope [02:02] new horizons getting closer to the kuiper belt? idk [02:03] * Nairwolf is listening [02:03] Well, it is the middle of summer. :) [02:04] #topic Announcements [02:04] ubuntu-flavored ice cream? [02:04] I gave an encore presentation of my "Writing and Publishing Books with Free Software" talk at OCLUG yesterday. [02:04] * ianorlin saw it and was interesting [02:04] =) [02:05] It was very well received, I got some great questions after, and it was filmed, so in a week or two I hope to post it to YouTube. [02:05] So that was fun! [02:06] That's sound great, I could share it with a swiss writer as soon as it would be available on YT [02:06] Does anyone else have any news or announcements they'd like to share? [02:06] Nairwolf: fantastic! I'll announce the link on the mailing list when it's up. [02:06] nhaines : ok ;) [02:08] #topic Other business [02:09] Since there are no other agenda items tonight, are there any other topics before we wrap things up? [02:10] Is it the time to ask questions ? [02:10] If they are related to the LoCo, yes. [02:10] maybe lug reports [02:11] DonkeyHotei: what do you mean? [02:11] well if there were any questions about ubuntu coming from lugs [02:12] DonkeyHotei: those belong on the mailing list unless they are time-critical. [02:12] I would like to know if an Ubuntu Hour is expected next Wednesday at San Francisco. It's supposed to be the second Wednesday of the month : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/UbuntuHours [02:12] Title: [CaliforniaTeam/Projects/UbuntuHours - Ubuntu Wiki] [02:13] Nairwolf: no one has stepped up to host anything, and I'l traveling on the 12th [02:14] pleia2: oh, you beat me to checking the LoCo directory. :) [02:14] are there docs on how to host this [02:14] http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Hour [02:14] [R: wiki.ubuntu.com] Title: [Hour - Ubuntu Wiki] [02:14] Ok, ok... [02:14] Nairwolf: sorry, will have one in September (and a Debian Dinner right after!) [02:15] nice ;) [02:15] I supposed it would be annonced on the ml ? [02:15] So, this is the meeting planned at California ? http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-california/events/ [02:15] Title: [Ubuntu California Events List | Ubuntu LoCo Team Portal] [02:16] I don't know how much it's updated. [02:16] yes, all events go there [02:16] ok [02:17] Not all organizers use the tool, but for those who do, they're pretty consistent. [02:17] ah, yeah, I don't see the san diego events on there much :\ [02:17] but we try to get folks to use it, since that's what we use for reports and reapproval and things [02:18] +1 pleia2 [02:18] Nairwolf: good question, though! [02:19] Anything else before we wrap up? [02:19] [Sun 2015-08-09 07:04:20 PM PDT] ubuntu-flavored ice cream? [02:20] Alrighty. The next meeting is August 23rd, same time. Have a good evening everybody! [02:20] #endmeeting [02:20] Meeting ended Mon Aug 10 02:20:26 2015 UTC. [02:20] Minutes: http://ihas.5cat.com/~darthrobot/ubuntu-us-ca/2015/ubuntu-us-ca.2015-08-10-02.00.moin.txt [02:20] Thank nhaines ;) [02:20] TY [02:26] I have a personnal question. You're not obliged to answer. It just curiosity. [02:27] Are you engaged with some project with Ubuntu, as developper, QA team, or communication ? Or just users and support ? [02:27] "Just" doesn't mean that it's less important. [02:27] gosh, ahoneybun (Florida LoCo, Kubuntu) is telling me he wants to do a Werewolf themed release party for 15.10 [02:28] Are you asking me specifically? [02:28] akk: howdy! :) [02:28] so I'm googling werewolf parties, and oh my gosh, so jealous, I want to do it too, but will be in Japan for release time [02:28] hi nhaines! [02:28] so someone else should do this, because it's the best idea ever [02:28] akk: I have to start my second draft for my book tomorrow. I'm trying not to think about it! :) [02:28] pleia2: haha [02:28] * akk has been outside transfixed watching a bat hunting, sometimes flying within a foot of my head [02:28] nhaines : not for you specifically [02:29] nhaines: Second draft is way easier than the first ... it'll be fun! [02:29] akk: that's what I keep telling my editors and also myself. :) [02:29] Werewolf parties sound fun. [02:30] Though the page I found didn't mention what I think would be the most fun -- the sing (howl)-along. [02:30] Luckily, I had a 77k word novel to edit this week so I didn't have to feel guilty about ignoring my book until Monday. [02:30] * akk doesn't have a deep enough voice to do a credible wolf, but I could be a great coyote [02:30] hehe [02:30] pleia2 : Are you talking about this french game ? https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Les_Loups-garous_de_Thiercelieux#Extension_n.C2.B0_1_:_Les_Loups-garous_de_Thiercelieux_-_Nouvelle_lune [02:30] Title: [Les Loups-garous de Thiercelieux — Wikipédia] [02:31] Nairwolf: no, I'm talking about the next Ubuntu release being called Wily Werewolf so Halloween-timed release parties that are werewolf themed sounds fun [02:31] * pleia2 just googled for "werewolf birthday party" [02:32] yes, that sounds cool ;) [02:33] Wily Nairwolf [02:33] Nairwolf: re: developer, I used to maintain some Debian packages (which end up in Ubuntu), but I really do that anymore, some QA for Xubuntu (and I run the social media accounts for Xubuntu), and probably other things I forget [02:33] oh, I publish the ubuntu weekly newsletter most weeks [02:34] you're doing a lot of things pleia2 ;) [02:35] true story [02:35] I'm a leader of the California LoCo (which means I make it easier for other people to do things), I'm on the LoCo Council (same) and I do presentations and run booths from time to time. [02:35] pleia2: +1 [02:35] I'm interested by Xubuntu as I use it ;) [02:35] Nairwolf: yay :) [02:35] we need more folks testing ISOs, the QA lead for the project just sent an email about it today https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2015-August/010848.html [02:35] Title: [Daily Image Testing] [02:35] nhaines : Nice ;) But, it's true that you have already made a presentation for me ;) [02:36] I'll check that [02:36] Nairwolf: feel free to join #xubuntu-devel at any time, tell them I sent you if they give you any trouble ;) [02:36] I like also the Lubuntu family because it's this family which welcomed me to the FOSS world. But, it's true that I would prefer to help for something I use every day. [02:37] but they should be helpful if you're trying to do testing [02:37] It's also easier to test because you know the system [02:37] * pleia2 nods [02:37] you know what is supposed to be happening [02:37] even if I'm more interesting by development, I don't have a good level yet, I'm still learning [02:37] woo, my husband is over ecuador! [02:38] * pleia2 watches flightaware [02:38] Yay! [02:39] You're such a globe-trotting family! [02:39] ^^ [02:40] akk: this year is a big one for us, in Peru now, going to Japan in October (both my conferences that he's tagging along after/before to do touristing) [02:41] Both of those sound like such wonderful places to see! [02:41] ok, I'll do that [02:41] * akk has several friends in Peru now, doing Machu Pichu and I know I'm missing a letter in there somewhere [02:41] Tonight, I have to work for a personnal project, so... [02:41] yeah, I've wanted to come to Peru since I was a kid (our land lord growing up was from Peru, meeting up with one of his daughters who I went to school with and now lives here tomorrow) [02:41] But, I should do that this week [02:42] akk: nice! we're doing 2 days in Lima, 2 days in Cusco and 2 days in Machu Picchu [02:42] I've been here in Lima since Thursday though, for UbuCon Latin America [02:42] pleia2 : In which language do you develop ? [02:43] Nairwolf: I'm a systems administrator, so I write decent bash and marginal Perl and Python [02:43] pleia2: How is the conference as an English speaker? Or is your Spanish good? [02:43] akk: well, my keynote was the only English talk, but most people seemed to understand (and my slides were bi-lingual) [02:44] Oh, bilingual slides are a great idea. [02:44] I never thought about how much that would help. [02:44] slides, context and my weak spanish skills got me through the rest of the conference [02:44] I didn't understand everything, but I could loosely follow along with most talks [02:44] there were a couple speakers whose spanish I struggled with [02:45] (I think because of accents, one was from Brazil and the other from Belgium) [02:45] Even in Australia, I noticed a big difference in how well I followed speakers' accents. [02:45] pleia2: someone asked me to talk at Ubucon Germany next year in German. I said I would do it if I had a teleprompter! ;) [02:45] nhaines: hehe [02:45] The experienced speakers in the main conference, I never had a problem; beginner speakers from .au speaking in the miniconfs, sometimes I could barely understand a word. [02:45] pleia2 : that's nice. I have some experiences with Python [02:46] it was actually easier to understand the presentations then it was conversations at dinner and things, I think without context and a more conversational format I am not as good at understanding [02:46] I try to understand people's Spanish here and mostly fail utterly, but of course they're chattering to each other and not giving a technical talk with slides. :) [02:47] oh, and some presenters speak quickly [02:47] which is really hard, since normal pace sounds fast to me :) [02:47] spanish people speaks really fast ;) [02:47] I find that especially hard in Spanish -- it always sounds so fast. [02:48] In English in Australia, speed wasn't an issue -- dunno if you've ever heard Pia Waugh, but she has a clock rate about 3x most people's, and speaks that way [02:48] but she's a very experienced speaker and I never had any trouble understanding her. [02:49] according to someone in sf-lug from south america, speaking slowly = sarcastic/patronizing [02:49] ah, no, haven't seen her speak [02:49] I could probably use some patronizing :) [02:50] Me too. :) [02:50] it was fun though, I could show off my command of spanish nouns [02:51] pleia2 : There is something i don't understand in the mail. Xubuntu 15.10 is supposed to be supported for 3 years ? [02:51] it's a non-lts version ! [02:51] I like the nouns. Verbs give me fits. [02:51] "that fruit... manzana!" and at dinner we saw a cat "un gato!" [02:51] they all thought I was terribly amusing :) [02:51] lol [02:52] Nairwolf: it may be worded poorly, but it's talking about 16.04 "XX" when talking about 3 years [02:52] ok, my english sucks ;) [02:53] I had to read the XX bit of the email twice too, then I realized oh... X comes after W, the LTS will be Xenolithic Xoloitzcuintle [02:53] or maybe Mark will skip a letter :) [02:54] (just kidding about the name, he hasn't announced it) [02:54] but now I kind of want a Xoloitzcuintle [02:54] i have no idea what that is [02:55] mexican hairless dog [02:55] google shows me pictures [02:55] Oh, that's why it's writen XX ;) [02:55] Nairwolf: right! [02:55] pleia2: I had pound puppies growing up that we were pretty sure were mostly Xolos. [02:55] akk: aw, neat [02:55] The woman we got them from said they were Chinese Crested, but they didn't look anything like cresteds [02:55] hah [02:56] and then we saw a photo of a xolo somewhere it and looked exactly like our male dog [02:56] (his sister was much weirder). [02:56] I can't remember if I scanned in any of those old photos ... [02:56] * akk looks [02:56] i'm not sure Xenolithic is even a word [02:57] Darn, no photos scanned in. I need to do that some time. [02:58] DonkeyHotei: rock-like? [02:58] :) [02:58] I dunno, I just pulled two words off https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames#X [02:58] Title: [DevelopmentCodeNames - Ubuntu Wiki] [02:59] pleia2: If you do ever get a xolo, get used to questions like "Did he have the mange?" and "He looks like an elephant!" [03:00] akk: haha, oh boy [03:00] do you need to put lotion on them or something? [03:01] We very rarely did. His skin was pretty rough but it didn't ever crack or anything. [03:01] we'll likely end up with a more standard american family dog, I think my husband wants a lab or retriever [03:01] And we tried putting sweaters on him in winter but he was so active he got them balled up around his shoulders right away, and we gave up. [03:01] I still want an adopted greyhound for real though <3 [03:01] haha [03:01] Greyhounds are so beautiful. [03:01] yeah [03:02] I like smart dogs, so I'd probably go for a border collie, Australian shepherd or Siberian husky or something like that if I got one. [03:02] my best friend growing up had one, she was very sweet and afraid of the cat [03:02] (Except I'd probably get a shelter dog, so it wouldn't be a purebred anything.) [03:03] I do love border collies [03:03] I'm really a cat person though [03:03] dogs are a lot of work and smell like dogs [03:03] I don't have the option of being a cat person -- allergic. [03:03] ah, yeah [03:04] Not to all cats, but more to adults than to kittens so it would be too risky to get a cat and maybe become allergic later. [03:04] * pleia2 nods [03:04] Allergies are actually why we got a hairless dog when I was a kid [03:04] though I'm almost never allergic to dogs even when they have fur, so it didn't really matter. [03:04] My mom was worried about it, though. [03:05] yeah [03:05] Then we got his sister a little later, and she had (patchy) hair. [03:06] I had cats when I was little, but then we moved to a house where we couldn't have uncaged pets [03:06] so much sad [03:07] but I had quite the caged menagerie [03:07] That is sad! [03:07] But good that you were able to have animals, even if caged. [03:07] chinchillas were my favorite [03:07] and now I am in the land of the chinchillas! [03:08] (and llamas) [03:08] Oh wow, that's an exotic pet. Do they make good pets? [03:08] I guess so if they were your fave. [03:08] they do, bouncy and partially litter trainable (can keep them out of their cage for a while, like rabbits) [03:08] How fun! They're certainly cute. [03:08] (In photos ... I've never seen one IRL.) [03:08] petco often has them [03:09] I got really into them as a teen, there were breeders around Maine and we ended up with all the colors they come in [03:09] http://princessleia.com/chinchillas.php [03:09] I don't think the one in Campbell ever did, or maybe I just didn't go to the right part of the store. [03:09] Title: [PrincessLeia.com - Chinchillas] [03:09] my first one had seizures :( [03:10] So cute! I didn't even know they came in colors. :( for the seizures though. [03:10] pleia2: do you know why cats aren't called "llamas"? [03:10] nhaines: haha, tell me [03:10] Because they never come when you call them anyway. [03:10] oh! haha! [03:10] spanish jokes [03:11] :) [03:11] my cat did [03:11] haha [03:11] i miss him [03:11] My cat looks at me like "really?" [03:11] well yeah, my siamese does, my mau will when he feels like it [03:11] Although if I wiggle my finger and click at him he'll usually come over for a quick pat. [03:12] I haven't seen a llama yet, I complained to jose ;) [03:12] hey, you saw one on my phone! [03:12] jose: I think maybe I will see one tomorrow in miraflores, right? [03:12] haha [03:12] or else, cusco :) [03:12] oh, you're gonna see flowers in moraflores [03:13] miraflores* [03:13] they're taking us to see the ocean too [03:13] you're going to larcomar? huaca pucllana? [03:13] I've seen llamas in the bay area! (There's a house that keeps them next to one of the trails at Los Trancos.) [03:13] but ocean you could see here [03:14] jose: this is the trip we booked http://www.viator.com/tours/Lima/7-Day-Lima-and-Cusco-Tour-with-Overnight-at-Machu-Picchu/d928-5243MPSUN [03:14] scroll down a bit for Itinerary [03:14] Error opening URL: timed out [03:14] lol [03:14] s/airport/my hotel :) [03:14] * jose checks [03:14] "You'll also see “Huaca Pucllana” which is also located in Miraflores." [03:14] ah, thre we go :) [03:15] pleia2: did you claim your welcome drink at the hotel? [03:15] yep [03:15] well, I claimed the ticket [03:15] oh cool [03:15] not the actual drink, because travel dehydration :\ [03:15] yeah, that's cool [03:15] but now I kind of want to wait until mjoseph gets here to have my first pisco sour [03:16] (his plane is over peru now!) [03:16] woot woot! [03:16] personal recommendation when you get to cusco [03:16] sleep sleep sleep sleep sleep [03:16] it helps to get used to the altitude [03:16] Ok, guys, I come back to my vimtutor ;) [03:16] haha, yeah, the Canonical guys were telling me their stories about dying from altitude [03:17] hehe [03:17] "we thought we were ok, then we walked a block and went back to the hotel for a nap" [03:17] yeah, since you have less oxygen you get tired REALLY quickly! [03:17] happened to me too [03:18] * pleia2 nods [03:18] pfft, Lima isn't even as high as my house. :) [03:19] (We did take a while before we could hike here without getting lightheaded) [03:19] akk: not lima, cusco [03:19] Ah! Now that's high. [03:19] cusco is 11,000 feet [03:19] don't they use meters? [03:19] DonkeyHotei: yes, but I don't [03:19] And she knows I don't either. :) [03:20] (Though I do have /usr/bin/units) [03:20] hehe [06:00] ianorlin: can you do the post meeting stuff this week? Tomorrow, maybe? [06:23] nhaines: yes I should [06:24] ianorlin: thanks! Let me know by Wednesday if you haven't gotten to it, and I'll set aside some time.