[00:21] <Nairwolf> Hi ;)
[01:42] <nhaines> Meeting in just over 15 minutes!
[01:48] <DonkeyHotei> o/
[01:50]  * ianorlin knows
[01:52]  * Roguehorse is here o/ .. be back in like 5/10 min
[01:54] <ianorlin> hi
[01:56] <DonkeyHotei> the agenda looks remarkably blank
[01:56] <nhaines> That's because it is.
[01:56] <ianorlin> yeah
[01:57] <Nairwolf> I'm here ;)
[01:58] <nhaines> Welcome.  :)
[01:58] <DonkeyHotei> i have observed that the #ubuntu-us-ca meetings and BerkeleyLUG/Ubuntu Hour Berkeley are typically on the same day, and if i attend one, i end up not making it to the other
[01:59] <nhaines> You should ask them to change their meeting dates.
[01:59] <nhaines> Or else to put the IRC channel on a projector.
[01:59] <DonkeyHotei> time in transit is the issue
[02:00] <nhaines> #startmeeting
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[02:00] <DonkeyHotei> [Sun 2015-08-09 06:48:52 PM PDT] <DonkeyHotei> o/
[02:00] <nhaines> Welcome to tonight's Ubuntu California LoCo meeting!  The agenda can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/15August9
[02:00] <darthrobot> Title: [CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/15August9 - Ubuntu Wiki]
[02:01] <nhaines> #topic Upcoming events
[02:01] <nhaines> Does anyone have any events they'd like to announce?
[02:02]  * ianorlin does not know of any
[02:02]  * Roguehorse nope
[02:02] <DonkeyHotei> new horizons getting closer to the kuiper belt? idk
[02:03]  * Nairwolf is listening
[02:03] <nhaines> Well, it is the middle of summer.  :)
[02:04] <nhaines> #topic Announcements
[02:04] <DonkeyHotei> ubuntu-flavored ice cream?
[02:04] <nhaines> I gave an encore presentation of my "Writing and Publishing Books with Free Software" talk at OCLUG yesterday.
[02:04]  * ianorlin saw it and was interesting
[02:04] <Roguehorse> =)
[02:05] <nhaines> It was very well received, I got some great questions after, and it was filmed, so in a week or two I hope to post it to YouTube.
[02:05] <nhaines> So that was fun!
[02:06] <Nairwolf> That's sound great, I could share it with a swiss writer as soon as it would be available on YT
[02:06] <nhaines> Does anyone else have any news or announcements they'd like to share?
[02:06] <nhaines> Nairwolf: fantastic!  I'll announce the link on the mailing list when it's up.
[02:06] <Nairwolf> nhaines : ok ;)
[02:08] <nhaines> #topic Other business
[02:09] <nhaines> Since there are no other agenda items tonight, are there any other topics before we wrap things up?
[02:10] <Nairwolf> Is it the time to ask questions ?
[02:10] <nhaines> If they are related to the LoCo, yes.
[02:10] <DonkeyHotei> maybe lug reports
[02:11] <nhaines> DonkeyHotei: what do you mean?
[02:11] <DonkeyHotei> well if there were any questions about ubuntu coming from lugs
[02:12] <nhaines> DonkeyHotei: those belong on the mailing list unless they are time-critical.
[02:12] <Nairwolf> I would like to know if an Ubuntu Hour is expected next Wednesday at San Francisco. It's supposed to be the second Wednesday of the month : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/UbuntuHours
[02:12] <darthrobot> Title: [CaliforniaTeam/Projects/UbuntuHours - Ubuntu Wiki]
[02:13] <pleia2> Nairwolf: no one has stepped up to host anything, and I'l traveling on the 12th
[02:14] <nhaines> pleia2: oh, you beat me to checking the LoCo directory.  :)
[02:14] <ianorlin> are there docs on how to host this
[02:14] <nhaines> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Hour
[02:14] <darthrobot> [R: wiki.ubuntu.com] Title: [Hour - Ubuntu Wiki]
[02:14] <Nairwolf> Ok, ok...
[02:14] <pleia2> Nairwolf: sorry, will have one in September (and a Debian Dinner right after!)
[02:15] <Nairwolf> nice ;)
[02:15] <Nairwolf> I supposed it would be annonced on the ml ?
[02:15] <Nairwolf> So, this is the meeting planned at California ? http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-california/events/
[02:15] <darthrobot> Title: [Ubuntu California Events List | Ubuntu LoCo Team Portal]
[02:16] <Nairwolf> I don't know how much it's updated.
[02:16] <pleia2> yes, all events go there
[02:16] <Nairwolf> ok
[02:17] <nhaines> Not all organizers use the tool, but for those who do, they're pretty consistent.
[02:17] <pleia2> ah, yeah, I don't see the san diego events on there much :\
[02:17] <pleia2> but we try to get folks to use it, since that's what we use for reports and reapproval and things
[02:18] <ianorlin> +1 pleia2
[02:18] <nhaines> Nairwolf: good question, though!
[02:19] <nhaines> Anything else before we wrap up?
[02:19] <DonkeyHotei> [Sun 2015-08-09 07:04:20 PM PDT] <DonkeyHotei> ubuntu-flavored ice cream?
[02:20] <nhaines> Alrighty.  The next meeting is August 23rd, same time.  Have a good evening everybody!
[02:20] <nhaines> #endmeeting
[02:20] <darthrobot> Meeting ended Mon Aug 10 02:20:26 2015 UTC.
[02:20] <darthrobot> Minutes:        http://ihas.5cat.com/~darthrobot/ubuntu-us-ca/2015/ubuntu-us-ca.2015-08-10-02.00.moin.txt
[02:20] <Nairwolf> Thank nhaines ;)
[02:20] <Roguehorse> TY
[02:26] <Nairwolf> I have a personnal question. You're not obliged to answer. It just curiosity.
[02:27] <Nairwolf> Are you engaged with some project with Ubuntu, as developper, QA team, or communication ? Or just users and support ?
[02:27] <Nairwolf> "Just" doesn't mean that it's less important.
[02:27] <pleia2> gosh, ahoneybun (Florida LoCo, Kubuntu) is telling me he wants to do a Werewolf themed release party for 15.10
[02:28] <nhaines> Are you asking me specifically?
[02:28] <nhaines> akk: howdy!  :)
[02:28] <pleia2> so I'm googling werewolf parties, and oh my gosh, so jealous, I want to do it too, but will be in Japan for release time
[02:28] <akk> hi nhaines!
[02:28] <pleia2> so someone else should do this, because it's the best idea ever
[02:28] <nhaines> akk: I have to start my second draft for my book tomorrow.  I'm trying not to think about it!  :)
[02:28] <nhaines> pleia2: haha
[02:28]  * akk has been outside transfixed watching a bat hunting, sometimes flying within a foot of my head
[02:28] <Nairwolf> nhaines : not for you specifically
[02:29] <akk> nhaines: Second draft is way easier than the first ... it'll be fun!
[02:29] <nhaines> akk: that's what I keep telling my editors and also myself.  :)
[02:29] <akk> Werewolf parties sound fun.
[02:30] <akk> Though the page I found didn't mention what I think would be the most fun -- the sing (howl)-along.
[02:30] <nhaines> Luckily, I had a 77k word novel to edit this week so I didn't have to feel guilty about ignoring my book until Monday.
[02:30]  * akk doesn't have a deep enough voice to do a credible wolf, but I could be a great coyote
[02:30] <pleia2> hehe
[02:30] <Nairwolf> pleia2 : Are you talking about this french game ? https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Les_Loups-garous_de_Thiercelieux#Extension_n.C2.B0_1_:_Les_Loups-garous_de_Thiercelieux_-_Nouvelle_lune
[02:30] <darthrobot> Title: [Les Loups-garous de Thiercelieux — Wikipédia]
[02:31] <pleia2> Nairwolf: no, I'm talking about the next Ubuntu release being called Wily Werewolf so Halloween-timed release parties that are werewolf themed sounds fun
[02:31]  * pleia2 just googled for "werewolf birthday party"
[02:32] <Nairwolf> yes, that sounds cool ;)
[02:33] <DonkeyHotei> Wily Nairwolf
[02:33] <pleia2> Nairwolf: re: developer, I used to maintain some Debian packages (which end up in Ubuntu), but I really do that anymore, some QA for Xubuntu (and I run the social media accounts for Xubuntu), and probably other things I forget
[02:33] <pleia2> oh, I publish the ubuntu weekly newsletter most weeks
[02:34] <Nairwolf> you're doing a lot of things pleia2 ;)
[02:35] <pleia2> true story
[02:35] <nhaines> I'm a leader of the California LoCo (which means I make it easier for other people to do things), I'm on the LoCo Council (same) and I do presentations and run booths from time to time.
[02:35] <nhaines> pleia2: +1
[02:35] <Nairwolf> I'm interested by Xubuntu as I use it ;)
[02:35] <pleia2> Nairwolf: yay :)
[02:35] <pleia2> we need more folks testing ISOs, the QA lead for the project just sent an email about it today https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2015-August/010848.html
[02:35] <darthrobot> Title: [Daily Image Testing]
[02:35] <Nairwolf> nhaines : Nice ;) But, it's true that you have already made a presentation for me ;)
[02:36] <Nairwolf> I'll check that
[02:36] <pleia2> Nairwolf: feel free to join #xubuntu-devel at any time, tell them I sent you if they give you any trouble ;)
[02:36] <Nairwolf> I like also the Lubuntu family because it's this family which welcomed me to the FOSS world. But, it's true that I would prefer to help for something I use every day.
[02:37] <pleia2> but they should be helpful if you're trying to do testing
[02:37] <Nairwolf> It's also easier to test because you know the system
[02:37]  * pleia2 nods
[02:37] <pleia2> you know what is supposed to be happening
[02:37] <Nairwolf> even if I'm more interesting by development, I don't have a good level yet, I'm still learning
[02:37] <pleia2> woo, my husband is over ecuador!
[02:38]  * pleia2 watches flightaware
[02:38] <nhaines> Yay!
[02:39] <akk> You're such a globe-trotting family!
[02:39] <Nairwolf> ^^
[02:40] <pleia2> akk: this year is a big one for us, in Peru now, going to Japan in October (both my conferences that he's tagging along after/before to do touristing)
[02:41] <akk> Both of those sound like such wonderful places to see!
[02:41] <Nairwolf> ok, I'll do that
[02:41]  * akk has several friends in Peru now, doing Machu Pichu and I know I'm missing a letter in there somewhere
[02:41] <Nairwolf> Tonight, I have to work for a personnal project, so...
[02:41] <pleia2> yeah, I've wanted to come to Peru since I was a kid (our land lord growing up was from Peru, meeting up with one of his daughters who I went to school with and now lives here tomorrow)
[02:41] <Nairwolf> But, I should do that this week
[02:42] <pleia2> akk: nice! we're doing 2 days in Lima, 2 days in Cusco and 2 days in Machu Picchu
[02:42] <pleia2> I've been here in Lima since Thursday though, for UbuCon Latin America
[02:42] <Nairwolf> pleia2 : In which language do you develop ?
[02:43] <pleia2> Nairwolf: I'm a systems administrator, so I write decent bash and marginal Perl and Python
[02:43] <akk> pleia2: How is the conference as an English speaker? Or is your Spanish good?
[02:43] <pleia2> akk: well, my keynote was the only English talk, but most people seemed to understand (and my slides were bi-lingual)
[02:44] <akk> Oh, bilingual slides are a great idea.
[02:44] <akk> I never thought about how much that would help.
[02:44] <pleia2> slides, context and my weak spanish skills got me through the rest of the conference
[02:44] <pleia2> I didn't understand everything, but I could loosely follow along with most talks
[02:44] <pleia2> there were a couple speakers whose spanish I struggled with
[02:45] <pleia2> (I think because of accents, one was from Brazil and the other from Belgium)
[02:45] <akk> Even in Australia, I noticed a big difference in how well I followed speakers' accents.
[02:45] <nhaines> pleia2: someone asked me to talk at Ubucon Germany next year in German.  I said I would do it if I had a teleprompter!  ;)
[02:45] <pleia2> nhaines: hehe
[02:45] <akk> The experienced speakers in the main conference, I never had a problem; beginner speakers from .au speaking in the miniconfs, sometimes I could barely understand a word.
[02:45] <Nairwolf> pleia2 : that's nice. I have some experiences with Python
[02:46] <pleia2> it was actually easier to understand the presentations then it was conversations at dinner and things, I think without context and a more conversational format I am not as good at understanding
[02:46] <akk> I try to understand people's Spanish here and mostly fail utterly, but of course they're chattering to each other and not giving a technical talk with slides. :)
[02:47] <pleia2> oh, and some presenters speak quickly
[02:47] <pleia2> which is really hard, since normal pace sounds fast to me :)
[02:47] <Nairwolf> spanish people speaks really fast ;)
[02:47] <akk> I find that especially hard in Spanish -- it always sounds so fast.
[02:48] <akk> In English in Australia, speed wasn't an issue -- dunno if you've ever heard Pia Waugh, but she has a clock rate about 3x most people's, and speaks that way
[02:48] <akk> but she's a very experienced speaker and I never had any trouble understanding her.
[02:49] <DonkeyHotei> according to someone in sf-lug from south america, speaking slowly = sarcastic/patronizing
[02:49] <pleia2> ah, no, haven't seen her speak
[02:49] <pleia2> I could probably use some patronizing :)
[02:50] <akk> Me too. :)
[02:50] <pleia2> it was fun though, I could show off my command of spanish nouns
[02:51] <Nairwolf> pleia2 : There is something i don't understand in the mail. Xubuntu 15.10 is supposed to be supported for 3 years ?
[02:51] <Nairwolf> it's a non-lts version !
[02:51] <akk> I like the nouns. Verbs give me fits.
[02:51] <pleia2> "that fruit... manzana!" and at dinner we saw a cat "un gato!"
[02:51] <pleia2> they all thought I was terribly amusing :)
[02:51] <akk> lol
[02:52] <pleia2> Nairwolf: it may be worded poorly, but it's talking about 16.04 "XX" when talking about 3 years
[02:52] <Nairwolf> ok, my english sucks ;)
[02:53] <pleia2> I had to read the XX bit of the email twice too, then I realized oh... X comes after W, the LTS will be Xenolithic Xoloitzcuintle
[02:53] <pleia2> or maybe Mark will skip a letter :)
[02:54] <pleia2> (just kidding about the name, he hasn't announced it)
[02:54] <pleia2> but now I kind of want a Xoloitzcuintle
[02:54] <DonkeyHotei> i have no idea what that is
[02:55] <pleia2> mexican hairless dog
[02:55] <pleia2> google shows me pictures
[02:55] <Nairwolf> Oh, that's why it's writen XX ;)
[02:55] <pleia2> Nairwolf: right!
[02:55] <akk> pleia2: I had pound puppies growing up that we were pretty sure were mostly Xolos.
[02:55] <pleia2> akk: aw, neat
[02:55] <akk> The woman we got them from said they were Chinese Crested, but they didn't look anything like cresteds
[02:55] <pleia2> hah
[02:56] <akk> and then we saw a photo of a xolo somewhere it and looked exactly like our male dog
[02:56] <akk> (his sister was much weirder).
[02:56] <akk> I can't remember if I scanned in any of those old photos ...
[02:56]  * akk looks
[02:56] <DonkeyHotei> i'm not sure Xenolithic is even a word
[02:57] <akk> Darn, no photos scanned in. I need to do that some time.
[02:58] <pleia2> DonkeyHotei: rock-like?
[02:58] <pleia2> :)
[02:58] <pleia2> I dunno, I just pulled two words off https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames#X
[02:58] <darthrobot> Title: [DevelopmentCodeNames - Ubuntu Wiki]
[02:59] <akk> pleia2: If you do ever get a xolo, get used to questions like "Did he have the mange?" and "He looks like an elephant!"
[03:00] <pleia2> akk: haha, oh boy
[03:00] <pleia2> do you need to put lotion on them or something?
[03:01] <akk> We very rarely did. His skin was pretty rough but it didn't ever crack or anything.
[03:01] <pleia2> we'll likely end up with a more standard american family dog, I think my husband wants a lab or retriever
[03:01] <akk> And we tried putting sweaters on him in winter but he was so active he got them balled up around his shoulders right away, and we gave up.
[03:01] <pleia2> I still want an adopted greyhound for real though <3
[03:01] <pleia2> haha
[03:01] <akk> Greyhounds are so beautiful.
[03:01] <pleia2> yeah
[03:02] <akk> I like smart dogs, so I'd probably go for a border collie, Australian shepherd or Siberian husky or something like that if I got one.
[03:02] <pleia2> my best friend growing up had one, she was very sweet and afraid of the cat
[03:02] <akk> (Except I'd probably get a shelter dog, so it wouldn't be a purebred anything.)
[03:03] <pleia2> I do love border collies
[03:03] <pleia2> I'm really a cat person though
[03:03] <pleia2> dogs are a lot of work and smell like dogs
[03:03] <akk> I don't have the option of being a cat person -- allergic.
[03:03] <pleia2> ah, yeah
[03:04] <akk> Not to all cats, but more to adults than to kittens so it would be too risky to get a cat and maybe become allergic later.
[03:04]  * pleia2 nods
[03:04] <akk> Allergies are actually why we got a hairless dog when I was a kid
[03:04] <akk> though I'm almost never allergic to dogs even when they have fur, so it didn't really matter.
[03:04] <akk> My mom was worried about it, though.
[03:05] <pleia2> yeah
[03:05] <akk> Then we got his sister a little later, and she had (patchy) hair.
[03:06] <pleia2> I had cats when I was little, but then we moved to a house where we couldn't have uncaged pets
[03:06] <pleia2> so much sad
[03:07] <pleia2> but I had quite the caged menagerie
[03:07] <akk> That is sad!
[03:07] <akk> But good that you were able to have animals, even if caged.
[03:07] <pleia2> chinchillas were my favorite
[03:07] <pleia2> and now I am in the land of the chinchillas!
[03:08] <pleia2> (and llamas)
[03:08] <akk> Oh wow, that's an exotic pet. Do they make good pets?
[03:08] <akk> I guess so if they were your fave.
[03:08] <pleia2> they do, bouncy and partially litter trainable (can keep them out of their cage for a while, like rabbits)
[03:08] <akk> How fun! They're certainly cute.
[03:08] <akk> (In photos ... I've never seen one IRL.)
[03:08] <pleia2> petco often has them
[03:09] <pleia2> I got really into them as a teen, there were breeders around Maine and we ended up with all the colors they come in
[03:09] <pleia2> http://princessleia.com/chinchillas.php
[03:09] <akk> I don't think the one in Campbell ever did, or maybe I just didn't go to the right part of the store.
[03:09] <darthrobot> Title: [PrincessLeia.com - Chinchillas]
[03:09] <pleia2> my first one had seizures :(
[03:10] <akk> So cute! I didn't even know they came in colors. :( for the seizures though.
[03:10] <nhaines> pleia2: do you know why cats aren't called "llamas"?
[03:10] <pleia2> nhaines: haha, tell me
[03:10] <nhaines> Because they never come when you call them anyway.
[03:10] <pleia2> oh! haha!
[03:10] <pleia2> spanish jokes
[03:11] <pleia2> :)
[03:11] <DonkeyHotei> my cat did
[03:11] <akk> haha
[03:11] <DonkeyHotei> i miss him
[03:11] <nhaines> My cat looks at me like "really?"
[03:11] <pleia2> well yeah, my siamese does, my mau will when he feels like it
[03:11] <nhaines> Although if I wiggle my finger and click at him he'll usually come over for a quick pat.
[03:12] <pleia2> I haven't seen a llama yet, I complained to jose ;)
[03:12] <jose> hey, you saw one on my phone!
[03:12] <pleia2> jose: I think maybe I will see one tomorrow in miraflores, right?
[03:12] <pleia2> haha
[03:12] <pleia2> or else, cusco :)
[03:12] <jose> oh, you're gonna see flowers in moraflores
[03:13] <jose> miraflores*
[03:13] <pleia2> they're taking us to see the ocean too
[03:13] <jose> you're going to larcomar? huaca pucllana?
[03:13] <akk> I've seen llamas in the bay area! (There's a house that keeps them next to one of the trails at Los Trancos.)
[03:13] <DonkeyHotei> but ocean you could see here
[03:14] <pleia2> jose: this is the trip we booked http://www.viator.com/tours/Lima/7-Day-Lima-and-Cusco-Tour-with-Overnight-at-Machu-Picchu/d928-5243MPSUN
[03:14] <pleia2> scroll down a bit for Itinerary
[03:14] <darthrobot> Error opening URL: timed out
[03:14] <jose> lol
[03:14] <pleia2> s/airport/my hotel :)
[03:14]  * jose checks
[03:14] <pleia2> "You'll also see “Huaca Pucllana” which is also located in Miraflores."
[03:14] <pleia2> ah, thre we go :)
[03:15] <jose> pleia2: did you claim your welcome drink at the hotel?
[03:15] <pleia2> yep
[03:15] <pleia2> well, I claimed the ticket
[03:15] <jose> oh cool
[03:15] <pleia2> not the actual drink, because travel dehydration :\
[03:15] <jose> yeah, that's cool
[03:15] <pleia2> but now I kind of want to wait until mjoseph gets here to have my first pisco sour
[03:16] <pleia2> (his plane is over peru now!)
[03:16] <jose> woot woot!
[03:16] <jose> personal recommendation when you get to cusco
[03:16] <jose> sleep sleep sleep sleep sleep
[03:16] <jose> it helps to get used to the altitude
[03:16] <Nairwolf> Ok, guys, I come back to my vimtutor ;)
[03:16] <pleia2> haha, yeah, the Canonical guys were telling me their stories about dying from altitude
[03:17] <jose> hehe
[03:17] <pleia2> "we thought we were ok, then we walked a block and went back to the hotel for a nap"
[03:17] <jose> yeah, since you have less oxygen you get tired REALLY quickly!
[03:17] <jose> happened to me too
[03:18]  * pleia2 nods
[03:18] <akk> pfft, Lima isn't even as high as my house. :)
[03:19] <akk> (We did take a while before we could hike here without getting lightheaded)
[03:19] <pleia2> akk: not lima, cusco
[03:19] <akk> Ah! Now that's high.
[03:19] <pleia2> cusco is 11,000 feet
[03:19] <DonkeyHotei> don't they use meters?
[03:19] <pleia2> DonkeyHotei: yes, but I don't
[03:19] <akk> And she knows I don't either. :)
[03:20] <akk> (Though I do have /usr/bin/units)
[03:20] <pleia2> hehe
[06:00] <nhaines> ianorlin: can you do the post meeting stuff this week?  Tomorrow, maybe?
[06:23] <ianorlin> nhaines: yes I should
[06:24] <nhaines> ianorlin: thanks!  Let me know by Wednesday if you haven't gotten to it, and I'll set aside some time.