/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/08/10/#ubuntu-us-mi.txt

jrwrencscheib: nope.00:08
cscheibjrwren: damn00:12
* DrDaemonEye drops a pin and listens to it hit the floor12:07
jrwrenting13:13
cmaloney<3 ting13:21
jrwrendid they derive their name from the only pin drop fiber optic ad campaign of the 80s?13:22
cmaloneyProbably.13:28
greg-ghuh, I never made the ting connection there15:00
cscheibnever heard of ting the fiber campaign from the 80's, or the ting company that's apparently a wireless provider15:36
greg-gcscheib: you don't remember the "so good you can hear a pin drop" commercials?15:37
cscheibdon't think so15:37
cscheibI'm not old like jrwren though15:37
cmaloneyMight have been before his time15:37
cscheibI'm still a spring chicken at 3115:38
cmaloneyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cih-B324A0A15:38
greg-ghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mu_8sYB8R2Y15:38
greg-gthe end of the one I pasted15:38
cscheibok, the one cmaloney posted almost made me ill, either it was jittercam, or v-sync was f'ed15:39
cmaloneyvsync was f-ed up15:39
jrwrenyou see cscheib there wasn't always fiber all over the world. Someone had to put it there. That someone was telcos, mostly in the 80s. :]15:39
greg-git was also a really bad commercial :)15:39
cscheibI do remember the Sprint pin drop commercials now, just don't ever recall hearing anything like "so good you can hear a pin drop"15:40
cmaloneyI think that was the first one15:40
cmaloneyHad that "Apple" vibe to it15:41
cmaloneyiirc15:41
cscheibbut, I was young, so probably just took the pin for granted15:41
cmaloneyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnlqrMWVYCs15:41
cscheibI remember the Little Caesars commercial with the caesar dude dancing and saying pizza pizza15:41
cscheib*commercials15:41
cscheibcmaloney, that one is probably a bit out of my remembrance range15:43
cscheibI don't recall hearing them call themselves US Sprint, ever15:44
cmaloneyI just remember they weren't AT&T15:44
cmaloneyOr as we termed them: Ma Bell15:45
cscheibI remember changing area codes to 810 from 31315:46
cmaloneyYep15:46
greg-gman, I hated St Louis for taking my area code from me15:46
cmaloney666?15:47
greg-gheh15:47
greg-gwe were all 314, then St Louis got too big and made us go to 57315:48
cmaloneyI feel bad for the company that worked so hard to get 1-234-567-8 schlemiel schlimazel Hasenpfeffer Incorporated!15:50
cmaloneyony to have the area code change. ;)15:50
greg-ghah15:51
jrwren313 -> 810 -> 248 so much change. then moved back to 810 and it changed to 58615:53
cscheibnever lived in 24815:55
cmaloneyI've had all of those area codes15:55
cscheibactually, I lied, I lived in Madison Heights and Ferndale... I guess I never lived in 248 when I needed to care what area code I was in15:56
cmaloneyApparently the file-syncing code for Ubuntu One is being released16:49
cmaloney(the server-side stuff)16:49
greg-gcmaloney: ?!!16:53
* greg-g grumbles16:53
greg-gstupid anti-pattern16:53
greg-g"we don't care about this anymore, open source it!"16:53
greg-galso, AGPL with a contributor license agreement is bullshit16:55
greg-goh, nvm!16:56
greg-gyay16:56
greg-g"Do I have to sign a contributor agreement to modify the code?16:56
greg-gNo. This is no longer an active project, we are providing the code for public to read and use on their own."16:56
jrwrenAGPL with contrib lic agreement just means you get to fork it ;]16:57
cmaloneyheh17:04
jcastroman greg-g17:30
jcastroyou were already flaming us without even reading to the END!17:30
jcastrocscheib: I'll call you back in a minute, I'm in a meeting17:31
greg-gjcastro: yeah, I took back the AGPL+CLA thing, but you konw that's Canonical's standard and a shitty practice17:32
greg-galso, a 1 rev dump of the source code... it's just so too little too late17:32
jcastroshrug17:33
jcastrowe're one of the only OSS companies even using the AGPL17:33
greg-gbut you aren't really17:33
greg-git's AGPL+CLA17:33
jcastrothe worst license in the universe that we know actively prevents people from participating17:33
greg-gvery different thing17:33
jcastrobecause we love copyleft. :D17:33
greg-gno, because you don't want competition17:33
greg-gthat's what the CLA does17:33
* greg-g shrugs17:33
jcastroplenty of OSS projects use CLAs17:33
greg-gAGPL+CLA is terribly uneven17:34
greg-gMIT+CLA wouldn't be17:34
jcastroyou can't contribute to openstack, or kubernetes, or docker without a CLA either.17:34
cscheibjcastro: figured.  I'm free until 33017:35
jcastroI don't expect people to really use the server side code anyway17:35
jcastrosyncthing and/or owncloud would be a better use of people's time17:36
cmaloneyYeah, I'm thinking this is just clearing the decks more than useful code17:50
* greg-g nods17:50
cmaloneyAlso an object lesson for not building your infrastructure on CouchDB. ;)17:51
jrwrenMIT+CLA is exactly the same. Mono uses it.17:52
jrwrenAll apache projects, same thing. CLA.17:52
jrwrenwhat is wrong with couchdb?17:53
greg-gman, it was all the rage there for a minute17:53
jrwrengreg-g: everything was the rage for a minute.17:53
greg-gbut really, U1 was the only thing I used that used it17:53
cmaloneyHonestly I don't think CLAs are overlty a bad thing. Just depends on what you're signing away17:53
cmaloneyCouchDB was MongoDB without the speed17:53
greg-gthe auto-syncing of gwibber post data was neat17:53
cmaloneyand without the scaling17:53
jrwrengreg-g: mongo, then backlash, couch, then backlash, redis, riak, rethink... I don't get it.17:53
jrwrenwhy not speed or scaling?17:54
cmaloneyNot (both had horrible reliability)17:54
cmaloneyNote:17:54
cmaloneyAt the time CouchDB was slower17:54
cmaloneyNot sure if it kept up17:54
cmaloneyMongoDB was essentially data by prayer17:55
cmaloneyThrow it at the disk and pray it made it there.17:55
cmaloneyIt's a Faith-based datastore. ;)17:55
jrwrensame as sqlite and mysql then?17:56
jrwrensame as oracle, db2 or sqlserver. its just you buy your faith in those cases.17:56
cmaloneyI have faith in fsync.17:57
jrwrenme too, faith that it makes things slow.17:57
cmaloneyI have faith in ACID17:58
cmaloneyI also have faith in anything that doesn't require a complete rebuild of the database when one of the nodes loses its shit.17:59
cmaloneyNote: This also means I don't have a whole lot of faith in MySQL. ;)17:59
jrwrensqlite running on tmpfs is ACID18:04
jrwrenI'm faithless.18:04
cmaloneysqlite3 is definitely ACID. It's not the DBs fault you dropped it on non-durable storage. :)18:05
cmaloneyyou can ln -s /var/lib/mysql /tmp/mysql as well18:06
jcastrogreg-g: cmaloney: yeah it's clearly just an over the wall code dump18:26
jcastropeople wanted the code and we ended up promising it anyway18:26
jcastropersonally, the world would be a better place if it was systematically nuked from orbit, but shrug18:26
cscheibjcastro: will call back in a sec - stupid phone isn't ringing properly or something18:30
jcastroI am waiting for my new phone to get here too18:31
brouschUbuntu phone?18:32
jcastromoto g18:34
brouschYou need a director of dogfooding at Canonical18:36
cscheibdoes Shuttleworth even use one?18:38
jcastroeveryone who is not in the US dogfoods18:38
jcastroMark has two phones, his iphone and an ubuntu phone18:38
jcastrothe meizu doesn't have the right radios for US18:39
jcastroso I can technically run one but it'll be like 2G or something18:39
jcastroI really wish we had one for the US because android makes me cry18:41
jrwreneveryone who is not in the US is also like at least 80% of the company18:41
jcastrobut the moto g is like $220 so I can wait the year or however long it takes18:42
cmaloneyAndroid is quite good from where I'm sitting18:46
jcastroI'm kind of tired of being a beta tester18:48
jcastroMy Nexus5 went from being the best phone I owned, to being worthless in Lollipop18:48
jcastrolg won't fix it because it's too old18:48
jcastroand google won't fix it because I'm supposed to buy a nexus6 instead of getting a working product18:48
cscheibheh18:48
brouschIt worked for a while!18:49
jcastroand now apparently it's impossible to get a phone that isn't the size of an xbox18:49
cscheibthe fact that iphone has a solid upgrade lifecycle is pretty nice18:49
cscheibeven though I'm generally at N or N-118:49
jcastroso now every phone is like a 7 inch tablet18:49
cscheibthe hueg phone thing is irritating18:49
jcastroso like why buy a flagship device when it's going to be a POS soon anyway, might as well just get the cheaper ones18:50
brouschThank HD pr0n for that18:50
jcastrorick loves his motos though, so I figured it's worth giving them a shot18:50
jrwren4" iphone7 in 1mo plz.18:50
brouschjrwren: You think so?18:50
jrwrenbrousch: I'm begging18:50
brouschThat might get even me to consider it18:51
cscheibjrwren: I think that would be in their benefit, even if they didn't refresh it with every "S" release18:52
jrwrencscheib: I agree18:52
cscheibthey've got us locked into the ecosystem anyway18:53
cscheibwonder what the 6 to 6+ sales ratio nis18:53
cscheib*is18:53
cmaloneyBig news everyone: Larry Page still uses G+21:09
cmaloneyOh, and they started some umbrella company called Alphabet.21:10
greg-g?21:11
greg-glink? I don't want to search for that ;)21:12
cmaloneyabc.xyz21:12
jrwrenwe talk so much about the worlds largest advertising company.21:13
greg-gmakes sense though21:16
greg-gyou know, it's just an umbrella company/moving some "companies" (departments, whatever) to be independent from the GOOG. But to these people, that's really important. Management needs clean lines of reporting (accountability).21:17

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