jrwren | cscheib: nope. | 00:08 |
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cscheib | jrwren: damn | 00:12 |
* DrDaemonEye drops a pin and listens to it hit the floor | 12:07 | |
jrwren | ting | 13:13 |
cmaloney | <3 ting | 13:21 |
jrwren | did they derive their name from the only pin drop fiber optic ad campaign of the 80s? | 13:22 |
cmaloney | Probably. | 13:28 |
greg-g | huh, I never made the ting connection there | 15:00 |
cscheib | never heard of ting the fiber campaign from the 80's, or the ting company that's apparently a wireless provider | 15:36 |
greg-g | cscheib: you don't remember the "so good you can hear a pin drop" commercials? | 15:37 |
cscheib | don't think so | 15:37 |
cscheib | I'm not old like jrwren though | 15:37 |
cmaloney | Might have been before his time | 15:37 |
cscheib | I'm still a spring chicken at 31 | 15:38 |
cmaloney | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cih-B324A0A | 15:38 |
greg-g | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mu_8sYB8R2Y | 15:38 |
greg-g | the end of the one I pasted | 15:38 |
cscheib | ok, the one cmaloney posted almost made me ill, either it was jittercam, or v-sync was f'ed | 15:39 |
cmaloney | vsync was f-ed up | 15:39 |
jrwren | you see cscheib there wasn't always fiber all over the world. Someone had to put it there. That someone was telcos, mostly in the 80s. :] | 15:39 |
greg-g | it was also a really bad commercial :) | 15:39 |
cscheib | I do remember the Sprint pin drop commercials now, just don't ever recall hearing anything like "so good you can hear a pin drop" | 15:40 |
cmaloney | I think that was the first one | 15:40 |
cmaloney | Had that "Apple" vibe to it | 15:41 |
cmaloney | iirc | 15:41 |
cscheib | but, I was young, so probably just took the pin for granted | 15:41 |
cmaloney | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnlqrMWVYCs | 15:41 |
cscheib | I remember the Little Caesars commercial with the caesar dude dancing and saying pizza pizza | 15:41 |
cscheib | *commercials | 15:41 |
cscheib | cmaloney, that one is probably a bit out of my remembrance range | 15:43 |
cscheib | I don't recall hearing them call themselves US Sprint, ever | 15:44 |
cmaloney | I just remember they weren't AT&T | 15:44 |
cmaloney | Or as we termed them: Ma Bell | 15:45 |
cscheib | I remember changing area codes to 810 from 313 | 15:46 |
cmaloney | Yep | 15:46 |
greg-g | man, I hated St Louis for taking my area code from me | 15:46 |
cmaloney | 666? | 15:47 |
greg-g | heh | 15:47 |
greg-g | we were all 314, then St Louis got too big and made us go to 573 | 15:48 |
cmaloney | I feel bad for the company that worked so hard to get 1-234-567-8 schlemiel schlimazel Hasenpfeffer Incorporated! | 15:50 |
cmaloney | ony to have the area code change. ;) | 15:50 |
greg-g | hah | 15:51 |
jrwren | 313 -> 810 -> 248 so much change. then moved back to 810 and it changed to 586 | 15:53 |
cscheib | never lived in 248 | 15:55 |
cmaloney | I've had all of those area codes | 15:55 |
cscheib | actually, I lied, I lived in Madison Heights and Ferndale... I guess I never lived in 248 when I needed to care what area code I was in | 15:56 |
cmaloney | Apparently the file-syncing code for Ubuntu One is being released | 16:49 |
cmaloney | (the server-side stuff) | 16:49 |
greg-g | cmaloney: ?!! | 16:53 |
* greg-g grumbles | 16:53 | |
greg-g | stupid anti-pattern | 16:53 |
greg-g | "we don't care about this anymore, open source it!" | 16:53 |
greg-g | also, AGPL with a contributor license agreement is bullshit | 16:55 |
greg-g | oh, nvm! | 16:56 |
greg-g | yay | 16:56 |
greg-g | "Do I have to sign a contributor agreement to modify the code? | 16:56 |
greg-g | No. This is no longer an active project, we are providing the code for public to read and use on their own." | 16:56 |
jrwren | AGPL with contrib lic agreement just means you get to fork it ;] | 16:57 |
cmaloney | heh | 17:04 |
jcastro | man greg-g | 17:30 |
jcastro | you were already flaming us without even reading to the END! | 17:30 |
jcastro | cscheib: I'll call you back in a minute, I'm in a meeting | 17:31 |
greg-g | jcastro: yeah, I took back the AGPL+CLA thing, but you konw that's Canonical's standard and a shitty practice | 17:32 |
greg-g | also, a 1 rev dump of the source code... it's just so too little too late | 17:32 |
jcastro | shrug | 17:33 |
jcastro | we're one of the only OSS companies even using the AGPL | 17:33 |
greg-g | but you aren't really | 17:33 |
greg-g | it's AGPL+CLA | 17:33 |
jcastro | the worst license in the universe that we know actively prevents people from participating | 17:33 |
greg-g | very different thing | 17:33 |
jcastro | because we love copyleft. :D | 17:33 |
greg-g | no, because you don't want competition | 17:33 |
greg-g | that's what the CLA does | 17:33 |
* greg-g shrugs | 17:33 | |
jcastro | plenty of OSS projects use CLAs | 17:33 |
greg-g | AGPL+CLA is terribly uneven | 17:34 |
greg-g | MIT+CLA wouldn't be | 17:34 |
jcastro | you can't contribute to openstack, or kubernetes, or docker without a CLA either. | 17:34 |
cscheib | jcastro: figured. I'm free until 330 | 17:35 |
jcastro | I don't expect people to really use the server side code anyway | 17:35 |
jcastro | syncthing and/or owncloud would be a better use of people's time | 17:36 |
cmaloney | Yeah, I'm thinking this is just clearing the decks more than useful code | 17:50 |
* greg-g nods | 17:50 | |
cmaloney | Also an object lesson for not building your infrastructure on CouchDB. ;) | 17:51 |
jrwren | MIT+CLA is exactly the same. Mono uses it. | 17:52 |
jrwren | All apache projects, same thing. CLA. | 17:52 |
jrwren | what is wrong with couchdb? | 17:53 |
greg-g | man, it was all the rage there for a minute | 17:53 |
jrwren | greg-g: everything was the rage for a minute. | 17:53 |
greg-g | but really, U1 was the only thing I used that used it | 17:53 |
cmaloney | Honestly I don't think CLAs are overlty a bad thing. Just depends on what you're signing away | 17:53 |
cmaloney | CouchDB was MongoDB without the speed | 17:53 |
greg-g | the auto-syncing of gwibber post data was neat | 17:53 |
cmaloney | and without the scaling | 17:53 |
jrwren | greg-g: mongo, then backlash, couch, then backlash, redis, riak, rethink... I don't get it. | 17:53 |
jrwren | why not speed or scaling? | 17:54 |
cmaloney | Not (both had horrible reliability) | 17:54 |
cmaloney | Note: | 17:54 |
cmaloney | At the time CouchDB was slower | 17:54 |
cmaloney | Not sure if it kept up | 17:54 |
cmaloney | MongoDB was essentially data by prayer | 17:55 |
cmaloney | Throw it at the disk and pray it made it there. | 17:55 |
cmaloney | It's a Faith-based datastore. ;) | 17:55 |
jrwren | same as sqlite and mysql then? | 17:56 |
jrwren | same as oracle, db2 or sqlserver. its just you buy your faith in those cases. | 17:56 |
cmaloney | I have faith in fsync. | 17:57 |
jrwren | me too, faith that it makes things slow. | 17:57 |
cmaloney | I have faith in ACID | 17:58 |
cmaloney | I also have faith in anything that doesn't require a complete rebuild of the database when one of the nodes loses its shit. | 17:59 |
cmaloney | Note: This also means I don't have a whole lot of faith in MySQL. ;) | 17:59 |
jrwren | sqlite running on tmpfs is ACID | 18:04 |
jrwren | I'm faithless. | 18:04 |
cmaloney | sqlite3 is definitely ACID. It's not the DBs fault you dropped it on non-durable storage. :) | 18:05 |
cmaloney | you can ln -s /var/lib/mysql /tmp/mysql as well | 18:06 |
jcastro | greg-g: cmaloney: yeah it's clearly just an over the wall code dump | 18:26 |
jcastro | people wanted the code and we ended up promising it anyway | 18:26 |
jcastro | personally, the world would be a better place if it was systematically nuked from orbit, but shrug | 18:26 |
cscheib | jcastro: will call back in a sec - stupid phone isn't ringing properly or something | 18:30 |
jcastro | I am waiting for my new phone to get here too | 18:31 |
brousch | Ubuntu phone? | 18:32 |
jcastro | moto g | 18:34 |
brousch | You need a director of dogfooding at Canonical | 18:36 |
cscheib | does Shuttleworth even use one? | 18:38 |
jcastro | everyone who is not in the US dogfoods | 18:38 |
jcastro | Mark has two phones, his iphone and an ubuntu phone | 18:38 |
jcastro | the meizu doesn't have the right radios for US | 18:39 |
jcastro | so I can technically run one but it'll be like 2G or something | 18:39 |
jcastro | I really wish we had one for the US because android makes me cry | 18:41 |
jrwren | everyone who is not in the US is also like at least 80% of the company | 18:41 |
jcastro | but the moto g is like $220 so I can wait the year or however long it takes | 18:42 |
cmaloney | Android is quite good from where I'm sitting | 18:46 |
jcastro | I'm kind of tired of being a beta tester | 18:48 |
jcastro | My Nexus5 went from being the best phone I owned, to being worthless in Lollipop | 18:48 |
jcastro | lg won't fix it because it's too old | 18:48 |
jcastro | and google won't fix it because I'm supposed to buy a nexus6 instead of getting a working product | 18:48 |
cscheib | heh | 18:48 |
brousch | It worked for a while! | 18:49 |
jcastro | and now apparently it's impossible to get a phone that isn't the size of an xbox | 18:49 |
cscheib | the fact that iphone has a solid upgrade lifecycle is pretty nice | 18:49 |
cscheib | even though I'm generally at N or N-1 | 18:49 |
jcastro | so now every phone is like a 7 inch tablet | 18:49 |
cscheib | the hueg phone thing is irritating | 18:49 |
jcastro | so like why buy a flagship device when it's going to be a POS soon anyway, might as well just get the cheaper ones | 18:50 |
brousch | Thank HD pr0n for that | 18:50 |
jcastro | rick loves his motos though, so I figured it's worth giving them a shot | 18:50 |
jrwren | 4" iphone7 in 1mo plz. | 18:50 |
brousch | jrwren: You think so? | 18:50 |
jrwren | brousch: I'm begging | 18:50 |
brousch | That might get even me to consider it | 18:51 |
cscheib | jrwren: I think that would be in their benefit, even if they didn't refresh it with every "S" release | 18:52 |
jrwren | cscheib: I agree | 18:52 |
cscheib | they've got us locked into the ecosystem anyway | 18:53 |
cscheib | wonder what the 6 to 6+ sales ratio nis | 18:53 |
cscheib | *is | 18:53 |
cmaloney | Big news everyone: Larry Page still uses G+ | 21:09 |
cmaloney | Oh, and they started some umbrella company called Alphabet. | 21:10 |
greg-g | ? | 21:11 |
greg-g | link? I don't want to search for that ;) | 21:12 |
cmaloney | abc.xyz | 21:12 |
jrwren | we talk so much about the worlds largest advertising company. | 21:13 |
greg-g | makes sense though | 21:16 |
greg-g | you know, it's just an umbrella company/moving some "companies" (departments, whatever) to be independent from the GOOG. But to these people, that's really important. Management needs clean lines of reporting (accountability). | 21:17 |
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