[00:08] cscheib: nope. [00:12] jrwren: damn [12:07] * DrDaemonEye drops a pin and listens to it hit the floor [13:13] ting [13:21] <3 ting [13:22] did they derive their name from the only pin drop fiber optic ad campaign of the 80s? [13:28] Probably. [15:00] huh, I never made the ting connection there [15:36] never heard of ting the fiber campaign from the 80's, or the ting company that's apparently a wireless provider [15:37] cscheib: you don't remember the "so good you can hear a pin drop" commercials? [15:37] don't think so [15:37] I'm not old like jrwren though [15:37] Might have been before his time [15:38] I'm still a spring chicken at 31 [15:38] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cih-B324A0A [15:38] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mu_8sYB8R2Y [15:38] the end of the one I pasted [15:39] ok, the one cmaloney posted almost made me ill, either it was jittercam, or v-sync was f'ed [15:39] vsync was f-ed up [15:39] you see cscheib there wasn't always fiber all over the world. Someone had to put it there. That someone was telcos, mostly in the 80s. :] [15:39] it was also a really bad commercial :) [15:40] I do remember the Sprint pin drop commercials now, just don't ever recall hearing anything like "so good you can hear a pin drop" [15:40] I think that was the first one [15:41] Had that "Apple" vibe to it [15:41] iirc [15:41] but, I was young, so probably just took the pin for granted [15:41] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnlqrMWVYCs [15:41] I remember the Little Caesars commercial with the caesar dude dancing and saying pizza pizza [15:41] *commercials [15:43] cmaloney, that one is probably a bit out of my remembrance range [15:44] I don't recall hearing them call themselves US Sprint, ever [15:44] I just remember they weren't AT&T [15:45] Or as we termed them: Ma Bell [15:46] I remember changing area codes to 810 from 313 [15:46] Yep [15:46] man, I hated St Louis for taking my area code from me [15:47] 666? [15:47] heh [15:48] we were all 314, then St Louis got too big and made us go to 573 [15:50] I feel bad for the company that worked so hard to get 1-234-567-8 schlemiel schlimazel Hasenpfeffer Incorporated! [15:50] ony to have the area code change. ;) [15:51] hah [15:53] 313 -> 810 -> 248 so much change. then moved back to 810 and it changed to 586 [15:55] never lived in 248 [15:55] I've had all of those area codes [15:56] actually, I lied, I lived in Madison Heights and Ferndale... I guess I never lived in 248 when I needed to care what area code I was in [16:49] Apparently the file-syncing code for Ubuntu One is being released [16:49] (the server-side stuff) [16:53] cmaloney: ?!! [16:53] * greg-g grumbles [16:53] stupid anti-pattern [16:53] "we don't care about this anymore, open source it!" [16:55] also, AGPL with a contributor license agreement is bullshit [16:56] oh, nvm! [16:56] yay [16:56] "Do I have to sign a contributor agreement to modify the code? [16:56] No. This is no longer an active project, we are providing the code for public to read and use on their own." [16:57] AGPL with contrib lic agreement just means you get to fork it ;] [17:04] heh [17:30] man greg-g [17:30] you were already flaming us without even reading to the END! [17:31] cscheib: I'll call you back in a minute, I'm in a meeting [17:32] jcastro: yeah, I took back the AGPL+CLA thing, but you konw that's Canonical's standard and a shitty practice [17:32] also, a 1 rev dump of the source code... it's just so too little too late [17:33] shrug [17:33] we're one of the only OSS companies even using the AGPL [17:33] but you aren't really [17:33] it's AGPL+CLA [17:33] the worst license in the universe that we know actively prevents people from participating [17:33] very different thing [17:33] because we love copyleft. :D [17:33] no, because you don't want competition [17:33] that's what the CLA does [17:33] * greg-g shrugs [17:33] plenty of OSS projects use CLAs [17:34] AGPL+CLA is terribly uneven [17:34] MIT+CLA wouldn't be [17:34] you can't contribute to openstack, or kubernetes, or docker without a CLA either. [17:35] jcastro: figured. I'm free until 330 [17:35] I don't expect people to really use the server side code anyway [17:36] syncthing and/or owncloud would be a better use of people's time [17:50] Yeah, I'm thinking this is just clearing the decks more than useful code [17:50] * greg-g nods [17:51] Also an object lesson for not building your infrastructure on CouchDB. ;) [17:52] MIT+CLA is exactly the same. Mono uses it. [17:52] All apache projects, same thing. CLA. [17:53] what is wrong with couchdb? [17:53] man, it was all the rage there for a minute [17:53] greg-g: everything was the rage for a minute. [17:53] but really, U1 was the only thing I used that used it [17:53] Honestly I don't think CLAs are overlty a bad thing. Just depends on what you're signing away [17:53] CouchDB was MongoDB without the speed [17:53] the auto-syncing of gwibber post data was neat [17:53] and without the scaling [17:53] greg-g: mongo, then backlash, couch, then backlash, redis, riak, rethink... I don't get it. [17:54] why not speed or scaling? [17:54] Not (both had horrible reliability) [17:54] Note: [17:54] At the time CouchDB was slower [17:54] Not sure if it kept up [17:55] MongoDB was essentially data by prayer [17:55] Throw it at the disk and pray it made it there. [17:55] It's a Faith-based datastore. ;) [17:56] same as sqlite and mysql then? [17:56] same as oracle, db2 or sqlserver. its just you buy your faith in those cases. [17:57] I have faith in fsync. [17:57] me too, faith that it makes things slow. [17:58] I have faith in ACID [17:59] I also have faith in anything that doesn't require a complete rebuild of the database when one of the nodes loses its shit. [17:59] Note: This also means I don't have a whole lot of faith in MySQL. ;) [18:04] sqlite running on tmpfs is ACID [18:04] I'm faithless. [18:05] sqlite3 is definitely ACID. It's not the DBs fault you dropped it on non-durable storage. :) [18:06] you can ln -s /var/lib/mysql /tmp/mysql as well [18:26] greg-g: cmaloney: yeah it's clearly just an over the wall code dump [18:26] people wanted the code and we ended up promising it anyway [18:26] personally, the world would be a better place if it was systematically nuked from orbit, but shrug [18:30] jcastro: will call back in a sec - stupid phone isn't ringing properly or something [18:31] I am waiting for my new phone to get here too [18:32] Ubuntu phone? [18:34] moto g [18:36] You need a director of dogfooding at Canonical [18:38] does Shuttleworth even use one? [18:38] everyone who is not in the US dogfoods [18:38] Mark has two phones, his iphone and an ubuntu phone [18:39] the meizu doesn't have the right radios for US [18:39] so I can technically run one but it'll be like 2G or something [18:41] I really wish we had one for the US because android makes me cry [18:41] everyone who is not in the US is also like at least 80% of the company [18:42] but the moto g is like $220 so I can wait the year or however long it takes [18:46] Android is quite good from where I'm sitting [18:48] I'm kind of tired of being a beta tester [18:48] My Nexus5 went from being the best phone I owned, to being worthless in Lollipop [18:48] lg won't fix it because it's too old [18:48] and google won't fix it because I'm supposed to buy a nexus6 instead of getting a working product [18:48] heh [18:49] It worked for a while! [18:49] and now apparently it's impossible to get a phone that isn't the size of an xbox [18:49] the fact that iphone has a solid upgrade lifecycle is pretty nice [18:49] even though I'm generally at N or N-1 [18:49] so now every phone is like a 7 inch tablet [18:49] the hueg phone thing is irritating [18:50] so like why buy a flagship device when it's going to be a POS soon anyway, might as well just get the cheaper ones [18:50] Thank HD pr0n for that [18:50] rick loves his motos though, so I figured it's worth giving them a shot [18:50] 4" iphone7 in 1mo plz. [18:50] jrwren: You think so? [18:50] brousch: I'm begging [18:51] That might get even me to consider it [18:52] jrwren: I think that would be in their benefit, even if they didn't refresh it with every "S" release [18:52] cscheib: I agree [18:53] they've got us locked into the ecosystem anyway [18:53] wonder what the 6 to 6+ sales ratio nis [18:53] *is [21:09] Big news everyone: Larry Page still uses G+ [21:10] Oh, and they started some umbrella company called Alphabet. [21:11] ? [21:12] link? I don't want to search for that ;) [21:12] abc.xyz [21:13] we talk so much about the worlds largest advertising company. [21:16] makes sense though [21:17] you know, it's just an umbrella company/moving some "companies" (departments, whatever) to be independent from the GOOG. But to these people, that's really important. Management needs clean lines of reporting (accountability).