[00:08] <jrwren> cscheib: nope.
[00:12] <cscheib> jrwren: damn
[12:07]  * DrDaemonEye drops a pin and listens to it hit the floor
[13:13] <jrwren> ting
[13:21] <cmaloney> <3 ting
[13:22] <jrwren> did they derive their name from the only pin drop fiber optic ad campaign of the 80s?
[13:28] <cmaloney> Probably.
[15:00] <greg-g> huh, I never made the ting connection there
[15:36] <cscheib> never heard of ting the fiber campaign from the 80's, or the ting company that's apparently a wireless provider
[15:37] <greg-g> cscheib: you don't remember the "so good you can hear a pin drop" commercials?
[15:37] <cscheib> don't think so
[15:37] <cscheib> I'm not old like jrwren though
[15:37] <cmaloney> Might have been before his time
[15:38] <cscheib> I'm still a spring chicken at 31
[15:38] <cmaloney> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cih-B324A0A
[15:38] <greg-g> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mu_8sYB8R2Y
[15:38] <greg-g> the end of the one I pasted
[15:39] <cscheib> ok, the one cmaloney posted almost made me ill, either it was jittercam, or v-sync was f'ed
[15:39] <cmaloney> vsync was f-ed up
[15:39] <jrwren> you see cscheib there wasn't always fiber all over the world. Someone had to put it there. That someone was telcos, mostly in the 80s. :]
[15:39] <greg-g> it was also a really bad commercial :)
[15:40] <cscheib> I do remember the Sprint pin drop commercials now, just don't ever recall hearing anything like "so good you can hear a pin drop"
[15:40] <cmaloney> I think that was the first one
[15:41] <cmaloney> Had that "Apple" vibe to it
[15:41] <cmaloney> iirc
[15:41] <cscheib> but, I was young, so probably just took the pin for granted
[15:41] <cmaloney> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnlqrMWVYCs
[15:41] <cscheib> I remember the Little Caesars commercial with the caesar dude dancing and saying pizza pizza
[15:41] <cscheib> *commercials
[15:43] <cscheib> cmaloney, that one is probably a bit out of my remembrance range
[15:44] <cscheib> I don't recall hearing them call themselves US Sprint, ever
[15:44] <cmaloney> I just remember they weren't AT&T
[15:45] <cmaloney> Or as we termed them: Ma Bell
[15:46] <cscheib> I remember changing area codes to 810 from 313
[15:46] <cmaloney> Yep
[15:46] <greg-g> man, I hated St Louis for taking my area code from me
[15:47] <cmaloney> 666?
[15:47] <greg-g> heh
[15:48] <greg-g> we were all 314, then St Louis got too big and made us go to 573
[15:50] <cmaloney> I feel bad for the company that worked so hard to get 1-234-567-8 schlemiel schlimazel Hasenpfeffer Incorporated!
[15:50] <cmaloney> ony to have the area code change. ;)
[15:51] <greg-g> hah
[15:53] <jrwren> 313 -> 810 -> 248 so much change. then moved back to 810 and it changed to 586
[15:55] <cscheib> never lived in 248
[15:55] <cmaloney> I've had all of those area codes
[15:56] <cscheib> actually, I lied, I lived in Madison Heights and Ferndale... I guess I never lived in 248 when I needed to care what area code I was in
[16:49] <cmaloney> Apparently the file-syncing code for Ubuntu One is being released
[16:49] <cmaloney> (the server-side stuff)
[16:53] <greg-g> cmaloney: ?!!
[16:53]  * greg-g grumbles
[16:53] <greg-g> stupid anti-pattern
[16:53] <greg-g> "we don't care about this anymore, open source it!"
[16:55] <greg-g> also, AGPL with a contributor license agreement is bullshit
[16:56] <greg-g> oh, nvm!
[16:56] <greg-g> yay
[16:56] <greg-g> "Do I have to sign a contributor agreement to modify the code?
[16:56] <greg-g> No. This is no longer an active project, we are providing the code for public to read and use on their own."
[16:57] <jrwren> AGPL with contrib lic agreement just means you get to fork it ;]
[17:04] <cmaloney> heh
[17:30] <jcastro> man greg-g
[17:30] <jcastro> you were already flaming us without even reading to the END!
[17:31] <jcastro> cscheib: I'll call you back in a minute, I'm in a meeting
[17:32] <greg-g> jcastro: yeah, I took back the AGPL+CLA thing, but you konw that's Canonical's standard and a shitty practice
[17:32] <greg-g> also, a 1 rev dump of the source code... it's just so too little too late
[17:33] <jcastro> shrug
[17:33] <jcastro> we're one of the only OSS companies even using the AGPL
[17:33] <greg-g> but you aren't really
[17:33] <greg-g> it's AGPL+CLA
[17:33] <jcastro> the worst license in the universe that we know actively prevents people from participating
[17:33] <greg-g> very different thing
[17:33] <jcastro> because we love copyleft. :D
[17:33] <greg-g> no, because you don't want competition
[17:33] <greg-g> that's what the CLA does
[17:33]  * greg-g shrugs
[17:33] <jcastro> plenty of OSS projects use CLAs
[17:34] <greg-g> AGPL+CLA is terribly uneven
[17:34] <greg-g> MIT+CLA wouldn't be
[17:34] <jcastro> you can't contribute to openstack, or kubernetes, or docker without a CLA either.
[17:35] <cscheib> jcastro: figured.  I'm free until 330
[17:35] <jcastro> I don't expect people to really use the server side code anyway
[17:36] <jcastro> syncthing and/or owncloud would be a better use of people's time
[17:50] <cmaloney> Yeah, I'm thinking this is just clearing the decks more than useful code
[17:50]  * greg-g nods
[17:51] <cmaloney> Also an object lesson for not building your infrastructure on CouchDB. ;)
[17:52] <jrwren> MIT+CLA is exactly the same. Mono uses it.
[17:52] <jrwren> All apache projects, same thing. CLA.
[17:53] <jrwren> what is wrong with couchdb?
[17:53] <greg-g> man, it was all the rage there for a minute
[17:53] <jrwren> greg-g: everything was the rage for a minute.
[17:53] <greg-g> but really, U1 was the only thing I used that used it
[17:53] <cmaloney> Honestly I don't think CLAs are overlty a bad thing. Just depends on what you're signing away
[17:53] <cmaloney> CouchDB was MongoDB without the speed
[17:53] <greg-g> the auto-syncing of gwibber post data was neat
[17:53] <cmaloney> and without the scaling
[17:53] <jrwren> greg-g: mongo, then backlash, couch, then backlash, redis, riak, rethink... I don't get it.
[17:54] <jrwren> why not speed or scaling?
[17:54] <cmaloney> Not (both had horrible reliability)
[17:54] <cmaloney> Note:
[17:54] <cmaloney> At the time CouchDB was slower
[17:54] <cmaloney> Not sure if it kept up
[17:55] <cmaloney> MongoDB was essentially data by prayer
[17:55] <cmaloney> Throw it at the disk and pray it made it there.
[17:55] <cmaloney> It's a Faith-based datastore. ;)
[17:56] <jrwren> same as sqlite and mysql then?
[17:56] <jrwren> same as oracle, db2 or sqlserver. its just you buy your faith in those cases.
[17:57] <cmaloney> I have faith in fsync.
[17:57] <jrwren> me too, faith that it makes things slow.
[17:58] <cmaloney> I have faith in ACID
[17:59] <cmaloney> I also have faith in anything that doesn't require a complete rebuild of the database when one of the nodes loses its shit.
[17:59] <cmaloney> Note: This also means I don't have a whole lot of faith in MySQL. ;)
[18:04] <jrwren> sqlite running on tmpfs is ACID
[18:04] <jrwren> I'm faithless.
[18:05] <cmaloney> sqlite3 is definitely ACID. It's not the DBs fault you dropped it on non-durable storage. :)
[18:06] <cmaloney> you can ln -s /var/lib/mysql /tmp/mysql as well
[18:26] <jcastro> greg-g: cmaloney: yeah it's clearly just an over the wall code dump
[18:26] <jcastro> people wanted the code and we ended up promising it anyway
[18:26] <jcastro> personally, the world would be a better place if it was systematically nuked from orbit, but shrug
[18:30] <cscheib> jcastro: will call back in a sec - stupid phone isn't ringing properly or something
[18:31] <jcastro> I am waiting for my new phone to get here too
[18:32] <brousch> Ubuntu phone?
[18:34] <jcastro> moto g
[18:36] <brousch> You need a director of dogfooding at Canonical
[18:38] <cscheib> does Shuttleworth even use one?
[18:38] <jcastro> everyone who is not in the US dogfoods
[18:38] <jcastro> Mark has two phones, his iphone and an ubuntu phone
[18:39] <jcastro> the meizu doesn't have the right radios for US
[18:39] <jcastro> so I can technically run one but it'll be like 2G or something
[18:41] <jcastro> I really wish we had one for the US because android makes me cry
[18:41] <jrwren> everyone who is not in the US is also like at least 80% of the company
[18:42] <jcastro> but the moto g is like $220 so I can wait the year or however long it takes
[18:46] <cmaloney> Android is quite good from where I'm sitting
[18:48] <jcastro> I'm kind of tired of being a beta tester
[18:48] <jcastro> My Nexus5 went from being the best phone I owned, to being worthless in Lollipop
[18:48] <jcastro> lg won't fix it because it's too old
[18:48] <jcastro> and google won't fix it because I'm supposed to buy a nexus6 instead of getting a working product
[18:48] <cscheib> heh
[18:49] <brousch> It worked for a while!
[18:49] <jcastro> and now apparently it's impossible to get a phone that isn't the size of an xbox
[18:49] <cscheib> the fact that iphone has a solid upgrade lifecycle is pretty nice
[18:49] <cscheib> even though I'm generally at N or N-1
[18:49] <jcastro> so now every phone is like a 7 inch tablet
[18:49] <cscheib> the hueg phone thing is irritating
[18:50] <jcastro> so like why buy a flagship device when it's going to be a POS soon anyway, might as well just get the cheaper ones
[18:50] <brousch> Thank HD pr0n for that
[18:50] <jcastro> rick loves his motos though, so I figured it's worth giving them a shot
[18:50] <jrwren> 4" iphone7 in 1mo plz.
[18:50] <brousch> jrwren: You think so?
[18:50] <jrwren> brousch: I'm begging
[18:51] <brousch> That might get even me to consider it
[18:52] <cscheib> jrwren: I think that would be in their benefit, even if they didn't refresh it with every "S" release
[18:52] <jrwren> cscheib: I agree
[18:53] <cscheib> they've got us locked into the ecosystem anyway
[18:53] <cscheib> wonder what the 6 to 6+ sales ratio nis
[18:53] <cscheib> *is
[21:09] <cmaloney> Big news everyone: Larry Page still uses G+
[21:10] <cmaloney> Oh, and they started some umbrella company called Alphabet.
[21:11] <greg-g> ?
[21:12] <greg-g> link? I don't want to search for that ;)
[21:12] <cmaloney> abc.xyz
[21:13] <jrwren> we talk so much about the worlds largest advertising company.
[21:16] <greg-g> makes sense though
[21:17] <greg-g> you know, it's just an umbrella company/moving some "companies" (departments, whatever) to be independent from the GOOG. But to these people, that's really important. Management needs clean lines of reporting (accountability).