[02:25] <bluesabre> ochosi: yay
[02:25] <bluesabre> guess I'll try digging deeper into that tomorrow
[06:29] <Bradcarnage> hello
[06:30] <Bradcarnage> hey  flocculant
[06:31] <flocculant> morning
[06:32] <Bradcarnage> how are you?
[06:32] <flocculant> still waking up ;)
[06:33] <Bradcarnage> oh, cool :P
[06:33] <Bradcarnage> i just got saved by my phone
[06:33] <Bradcarnage> my motherboard wont connect to any sata connectors
[06:33] <Bradcarnage> so it couldnt boot >_>
[06:34] <Bradcarnage> thus i formatted a flash drive with xubuntu and im running in preview mode haha
[06:34] <flocculant> :)
[06:35] <Bradcarnage> hard drives and ssd's are so mainstream nowdays
[06:35] <Bradcarnage> i perfer an 8gig flash drive
[06:36] <Bradcarnage> whats on my hard drive, is windows 10 with xubuntu in seamless mode running off of virtualbox
[06:37] <Bradcarnage> and virtualbox just points to the other partition in my hard drive :P
[06:38] <Bradcarnage> whazam, 2 operating systems(on real partitions) running at the same time
[09:26] <Bradcarnage> anybody hanging out in chat?
[09:35] <knome> Bradcarnage, #xubuntu-offtopic 
[12:09] <flocculant> mmm 
[12:10] <flocculant> daily appears to be booting to login only - just running out again - can someone else confirm :)
[14:17] <jjfrv8> flocculant, I can confirm - at least partially...
[14:18] <jjfrv8> I did the 64-bit image with unetbootin. When I picked "Try" from the grub menu, all I got was a login for "Other".
[14:18] <jjfrv8> But when I picked "Install" from grub, it installed and rebooted fine.
[14:19] <jjfrv8> I'll let you decide what to do about the bug :P
[14:19] <jjfrv8> oh, and this was on hardware.
[14:26] <flocculant> jjfrv8: thanks :)
[14:37] <flocculant> just grabbing ubuntu - check it'sz not just us
[14:55] <flocculant> and without checking everyone else - seems to be
[19:38] <Unit193> That actually may be related to a merge, and just need uploaded.
[19:59] <flocculant> Unit193: the boot fail?
[20:00] <Unit193> In theory, there's a slight chance yeah.  lightdm config was touched, changing seatdefaults to another name.
[20:00] <flocculant> right 
[20:00] <flocculant> I did see some lightdm updates 
[20:21] <flocculant> so where to check 
[20:26] <Unit193> Change 60-xubuntu.conf  [SeatDefaults] → [Seat:*]  ?
[20:34] <flocculant> mmm - changed that, stopped and started lightdm - same deal 
[20:36] <Unit193> Was just a thought.
[20:36] <flocculant> right
[20:37] <flocculant> but it was definitely not seat:* 
[20:37] <Unit193> No, it wouldn't have been. https://code.launchpad.net/~robert-ancell/xubuntu-default-settings/lightdm-config/+merge/267280
[20:41] <flocculant> well I beg to differ http://postimg.org/image/mmkqk0cnv/full/
[20:41] <flocculant> ubuntu has seat:* we don't
[20:42] <flocculant> nvm - read you wrong
[20:43] <Unit193> It's in bzr, it'll be released with the next one.
[20:43] <Unit193> Anywho, since that was my only idea, I'll just shut it now. :)
[20:43] <flocculant> yea - just read you again where it makes more sense 
[20:44] <flocculant> I thought bluesabre merged it
[20:44] <ochosi> yeah, merged but maybe not uploaded yet
[20:44] <flocculant> anyway - if that's whats causing it
[20:44] <ochosi> and evening all
[20:45] <flocculant> I guess we need to upload it then
[20:45] <flocculant> evening ochosi 
[20:45] <ochosi> yeah, and we need knome's upload tracker ;)
[20:45] <flocculant> \o/ 
[20:45] <ochosi> that way we'd know when these things go in
[20:45] <ochosi> (ideally with a link to show the changelog)
[20:47] <flocculant> long and short is that currently - we end up at login window 
[21:05] <flocculant> wandering off now 
[21:31] <knome> huh :P
[21:51] <bluesabre> looks like I have an upload to do
[22:01] <ochosi> evening bluesabre 
[22:02] <bluesabre> hey ochosi 
[22:03] <ochosi> so the patch didn't work at all for you?
[22:03] <bluesabre> nope
[22:03] <ochosi> really wonder what went wrong there, worked fine here
[22:04] <bluesabre> I'll try again shortly
[22:04] <bluesabre> or at least figure it out
[22:05] <ochosi> yeah, i'm rebuilding cleanly again too
[22:06] <ochosi> still works...
[22:06] <ochosi> so really not sure what's going on there
[22:06] <bluesabre> probably just some difference between master and ubuntu
[22:06] <ochosi> i guess so
[22:08] <ochosi> also, andrzejr brought up a valid concern about having a gtkplug nested in a gtkplug
[22:09] <bluesabre> saw that
[22:09] <ochosi> but i dunno, could be that it work
[22:09] <ochosi> s
[22:09] <bluesabre> would have to check it out, it should still work
[22:09] <ochosi> yeah, anyway, i'd say that's for v2.0 ;)
[22:09] <bluesabre> agreed
[22:10] <ochosi> hm, so in debian/patches i don't see anything suspicious tbh
[22:11] <ochosi> knome: didn't you want the separator to be up there with the launcher in the "add new items" dialog of the panel?
[22:12] <knome> ochosi, yep
[22:12] <knome> ochosi, i think that would make sense
[22:12] <knome> specifically since language versions can throw it anywhere in the list
[22:13] <bluesabre> can check it out with: dget https://launchpad.net/~bluesabre/+archive/ubuntu/experimental/+files/xfce4-panel_4.12.0-3ubuntu2%7Eppa1%7E15.10.dsc
[22:13] <bluesabre> extract both the tar and debian.tar, drop debian into xfce4-panel
[22:14] <bluesabre> and then run quilt push -a
[22:14] <bluesabre> to see what it looks like when patched
[22:14] <knome> who are you talking to?
[22:15] <bluesabre> ochosi: 
[22:15] <knome> okay
[22:15] <bluesabre> the only person on this channel talking to me
[22:15] <bluesabre> :p
[22:15] <ochosi> knome: hm, just looked, it's a bit more complex than i thought
[22:15] <ochosi> that might be the reason nobody has patched that yet for you ;)
[22:16] <ochosi> that, plus i'm not sure there's a bugreport for it
[22:16] <Unit193> Hallo, bluesabre.  I am talking to you now.
[22:16] <ochosi> bluesabre: k, will look
[22:17] <knome> ochosi, if not, i can report one tomorrow for you if you want - just tell me where you want it
[22:17] <ochosi> knome: upstream
[22:18] <knome> ochosi, k, will try to remember to do that
[22:18] <ochosi> bluesabre: humm, no series file found
[22:18] <ochosi> which is odd, cause there clearly is one
[22:18] <knome> bluesabre, got the reminder email from tracker?
[22:20] <bluesabre> knome: yup, straight to spam
[22:20] <ochosi> :>
[22:20] <bluesabre> redirected it :D
[22:20] <bluesabre> out of spam, that is to say
[22:20] <knome> haha
[22:20] <ochosi> bluesabre: anything i have to do apart from running quilt?
[22:20] <bluesabre> ochosi: 
[22:20] <bluesabre> ah, no quiltrc
[22:20] <bluesabre> :)
[22:20] <Unit193> export QUILT_PATCHES=debian/patches
[22:21] <bluesabre> ochosi: ~/.quiltrc http://paste.ubuntu.com/12052049/
[22:21] <bluesabre> (for future)
[22:21] <ochosi> ok, applied the patches
[22:22] <ochosi> so now i just build as always?
[22:23] <ochosi> also: we should really really rename the executable to xfce4-panel-switch or something
[22:23] <ochosi> xfpanel-switch feels so non-standard
[22:23] <bluesabre> yeah
[22:23] <bluesabre> almost as bad as xfdesktop
[22:24] <ochosi> yeah, ouch
[22:24] <bluesabre> :D
[22:24] <ochosi> :)
[22:24] <ochosi> anyway, building with configure and make?
[22:24] <ochosi> or some debian funky way?
[22:24]  * ochosi usually doesn't wear a quilt
[22:25] <Unit193> xfconf-query or xfsettingsd too.
[22:25] <bluesabre> ochosi: I think the normal build commands should work
[22:26] <bluesabre> otherwise, you can just grab the packages out of my ppa
[22:26] <ochosi> that's ok, i can build
[22:27] <bluesabre> otherwise, it'd be a series of commands which would take a while (setting up pbuilder and whatnot)
[22:28] <ochosi> so i see that it doesn't work
[22:29] <ochosi> but i don't really see the difference yet
[22:29] <bluesabre> yay
[22:29] <bluesabre> boo
[22:30] <ochosi> wow, the diff of my git master copy and the one i just dgot from you is zerrrro
[22:30] <knome> hooray
[22:30] <ochosi> at least for the files i patched (panel-preferences.c and .glade)
[22:30] <bluesabre> :D
[22:31] <ochosi> so yeah, fun
[22:37] <ochosi> bluesabre: so the million-dollar-question is: why would this not return a valid object? object = gtk_builder_get_object (GTK_BUILDER (dialog), "panel-switch");
[22:37] <bluesabre> oh....
[22:37] <bluesabre> I think I know why
[22:37] <bluesabre> the .ui file is already compiled into .h
[22:37] <bluesabre> my bad
[22:38] <ochosi> fun times
[22:38] <bluesabre> can work around that
[22:38] <ochosi> ok, good that it's so simple :)
[22:39] <bluesabre> you're probably free to go, this patch will be to the deb packaging instead
[22:39] <bluesabre> but it should work
[22:39] <bluesabre> if the patch is good
[22:39] <ochosi> \o/
[22:39] <bluesabre> ;)
[22:39] <ochosi> *if*
[22:39] <ochosi> big IF
[22:39] <bluesabre> #if
[22:39] <ochosi> :)
[22:39] <ochosi> we'll see
[22:40] <bluesabre> thanks for making me think harder
[22:40] <ochosi> fwiw, i ran a restore action a few minutes ago as a test and it worked fine when xfpanel-switch was launched from the panel prefs
[22:40] <ochosi> no problem, anytime
[22:40] <bluesabre> yeah, that should work
[22:40] <bluesabre> :D
[22:41] <ochosi> so i dunno, now that we quite quickly sorted that out, do you wanna go straight to v2.0? ;D
[22:42] <bluesabre> :p
[22:42] <bluesabre> gotta do this, mark some tasks off, and work on catfish
[22:42] <knome> only twentyish people more and we have 4000 followers in twitter
[22:42] <bluesabre> getting too close to ff
[22:42] <bluesabre> nice
[22:45] <ochosi> indeed
[22:45] <ochosi> oh also, imo we should hide the normal launcher
[22:45] <ochosi> not sure it has to be so prominent
[22:46] <ochosi> i'd only show it in the panel prefs
[22:46] <bluesabre> ?
[22:47] <ochosi> the launcher for xfpanel-switch
[22:47] <ochosi> i wouldn't show it in the settings manager was what i meant
[22:48] <knome> hmm, really?
[22:48] <bluesabre> ah, right
[22:48] <bluesabre> there's a lot of things that shouldn't show in the settings manager
[22:48] <knome> hide them!
[22:48] <ochosi> :)
[22:48] <ochosi> yeah, some of them we can hide, with some it's harder
[22:48] <bluesabre> don't have them in the first place ;)
[22:49] <bluesabre> thunar prefs does not need a launcher
[22:49] <ochosi> ü1
[22:49] <ochosi> +1
[22:49] <ochosi> not sure the panel prefs have to be a launcher there
[22:50] <ochosi> but well, for that one you have to know you can right-click the panel
[22:50] <ochosi> which is a bit less obvious than using thunar's menu
[22:50] <bluesabre> or if you potentially have a single button mosue still
[22:50] <bluesabre> or trying to get to it with a keyboard
[22:51] <knome> i generally think that the panel item is ok in the settings manager
[22:51] <knome> sameish for the thunar prefs
[22:52] <knome> but since you can get to the -switch stuff from panel prefs (right?), it isn't needed
[22:52] <ochosi> yup
[22:52] <ochosi> it's more a panel extension than its own thing
[22:52] <bluesabre> agreed
[22:53] <bluesabre> unless you trashed your panel
[22:53] <bluesabre> somehow
[22:53] <bluesabre> bad plugin
[22:53] <knome> so to be exact, i don't think it's a bad thing to have that one place where you can access all configuration
[22:53] <bluesabre> then it'd be good to not open the panel prefs to get to it
[22:53] <knome> but to duplicate stuff in multiple launchers there seems overkill
[22:53] <ochosi> bluesabre: you mean in a case where the panel wouldn't launch anymore?
[22:53] <bluesabre> ochosi: yeah
[22:53]  * ochosi wonders whether that can happen
[22:54] <ochosi> or better yet: how
[22:54] <bluesabre> probably something with character encoding
[22:54] <ochosi> would be interesting to try that
[22:54] <ochosi> just to see what happens
[22:54] <ochosi> but so far, for me the panel just restarted empty when there were problems
[22:55] <ochosi> that was the worst case i encountered
[22:56] <knome> so, have you thought about shipping some predefined panel configurations with this?
[22:56] <bluesabre> we could provide our default
[22:56] <knome> at least that
[22:56] <knome> but i was thinking more
[22:56] <bluesabre> or maybe past defaults as well
[22:56] <bluesabre> like classic vs modern
[22:56] <knome> something like that
[22:56] <bluesabre> precise, trusty
[22:56] <knome> or xfce default
[22:56] <bluesabre> yeah
[22:56] <ochosi> yup
[22:57] <ochosi> first though, we should try to iron out potential problems with that
[22:57] <knome> this would increase the usefulness of this app for many by miles
[22:57] <bluesabre> gnome2
[22:57] <bluesabre> mhm
[22:57] <ochosi> e.g. missing plugins
[22:57] <knome> unity
[22:57]  * knome hides
[22:57] <ochosi> yeah, why not
[22:57] <knome> well, i don't think we need to go *too* far with it
[22:57] <ochosi> unity can be done
[22:57] <ochosi> at least more or less
[22:58] <knome> some people like the xfce panel layout, and some have accustomed to our old defautls
[22:58] <knome> so it would make sense to ship at least those
[22:58] <bluesabre> http://sivadnaes.deviantart.com/art/Xunity-386406691
[22:58] <ochosi> but i guess for this to really work, we'd need to check for the plugins needed by a preset to see whether everything is installed
[22:58] <knome> yep
[22:58] <ochosi> and then either offer a simple way to install
[22:58] <knome> sure
[22:58] <ochosi> or.. eh, no, i guess that's the only meaningful thing :)
[22:59] <knome> hah
[22:59] <knome> bluesabre, like the username
[22:59] <bluesabre> nice thing about the panel is that it automatically drops uninstalled plugins
[22:59] <ochosi> bluesabre: btw, i just noticed that clicking the new avatar-feature of whiskermenu (next to the username) opens mugshot
[22:59] <knome> bluesabre, yes... though then you don't really get the preset you are trying to load
[22:59] <bluesabre> ochosi: yeah, I think gottcode handled that
[22:59] <ochosi> yeah, i know, it doesn't crash in fire and all, but there still should be a warning that things aren't working as they should
[23:00] <bluesabre> knome: I was being witty that day
[23:00] <bluesabre> :D
[23:00] <knome> nice changing into a preset with whiskermenu if that is for some reason deleted from the system
[23:00] <knome> then you don't have a menu at all
[23:00] <knome> "what poop is this preset"
[23:00] <knome> etc...
[23:00] <knome> bluesabre, feeling remorseful?
[23:01] <bluesabre> knome: nah
[23:01] <knome> ;)
[23:01] <ochosi> yeah, anyway, that stuff is far more complex than what xfpanel-switch does now
[23:02] <ochosi> especially since it should be distro-independent
[23:02]  * ochosi feels reminded of the progress made on the parole plugin installer
[23:02] <knome> sure.. just asking about the plans, since a contributor not mentioned by name was asking about this from me in a PM
[23:03] <ochosi> a-ha a-ha, a mysterious contributor :p
[23:03] <bluesabre> knome: hm?
[23:03] <knome> :D
[23:03] <knome> it was Unit193 
[23:03] <knome> "oops"
[23:04] <ochosi> bluesabre: just so i get an idea, what's left to do for catfish?
[23:04] <bluesabre> ochosi: make it not look like garbage
[23:04] <knome> but yeah, i think shipping some presets would be a good idea
[23:04] <bluesabre> then if it runs, I'll fix some bugs and do a release at the end of the week
[23:05] <Unit193> What?
[23:05] <ochosi> knome: yeah, i'd say try to create one and share it here (ideally only using plugins we ship by default). i'm party curious as to how we have to configure stuff like resolution to work as a preset
[23:05] <bluesabre> knome: we don't even have it packaged yet, not sure it's going to make it in unless I find a chance to do that
[23:05] <bluesabre> (in debian/ubuntu)
[23:05] <ochosi> maybe Unit193 can help with that
[23:06] <knome> mhm
[23:06] <knome> i'm not really talking about 15.10 - or any particular release - just generally
[23:07] <Unit193> What?
[23:07] <knome> hello Unit193 
[23:08] <ochosi> Unit193: we were on the topic of packaging xfpanel-switch, and bluesabre suggested you
[23:09] <bluesabre> ochosi volunteered you, but close enough
[23:09] <bluesabre> :D
[23:09] <ochosi> oh, ooops ;)
[23:09] <bluesabre> want to start some of the new package paperwork in either ubuntu or debian?
[23:22] <Unit193> I'd have to look at upstream to see how easily it'd be managed.
[23:35] <bluesabre> ochosi: 
[23:35] <bluesabre> still around?
[23:35] <bluesabre> I got it to work
[23:35] <bluesabre> was going to show
[23:35] <bluesabre> but imgur's uploading seems to be down
[23:35] <bluesabre> but yay
[23:43] <bluesabre> so, a potential issue with the patched panel
[23:43] <bluesabre> we're dropping them in staging, which is fine for vivid
[23:43] <bluesabre> er, wily
[23:43] <bluesabre> not for vivid, at least when xfce-4.12 ppa is also enabled
[23:44] <bluesabre> since the vivid package there is the upstream split panel package that is in wily
[23:44] <bluesabre> or, maybe not
[23:44] <bluesabre> maybe I'm delusional here
[23:44] <bluesabre> ignore me
[23:44] <bluesabre> :D
[23:44] <knome> /ignore bluesabre 
[23:45] <bluesabre> anyway, wily -staging uploaded
[23:45] <bluesabre> ah, I see my confusion
[23:45] <bluesabre> no issue here
[23:45] <bluesabre> carry on
[23:46] <knome> we're already ignoring you :/
[23:46] <bluesabre> good
[23:46]  * bluesabre does a jig
[23:46] <knome> -saw?
[23:47] <bluesabre> dangerous
[23:47] <knome> hah