| pitti | Good morning | 03:01 |
|---|---|---|
| tjaalton | sigh, again misser ancell? | 05:02 |
| tjaalton | missed | 05:02 |
| hikiko | hi | 05:07 |
| RAOF | tjaalton: He actually hasn't been in today at all. | 05:23 |
| RAOF | Well, except for an hour at 6am or something. | 05:23 |
| tjaalton | great | 05:23 |
| didrocks | good morning | 06:15 |
| pitti | hey didrocks | 06:51 |
| didrocks | hey hey pitti | 06:51 |
| seb128 | good morning desktopers | 07:36 |
| didrocks | re seb128 | 07:36 |
| seb128 | re didrocks ;-) | 07:37 |
| * seb128 is trying bluez5 and is having issues | 07:37 | |
| pitti | bonjour seb128 ! | 07:38 |
| seb128 | hey pitti, wie gehts? | 07:38 |
| pitti | hateC++hateboosthateC++hateboosthateC++ | 07:39 |
| pitti | err, I mean -- quite fine, thanks! | 07:39 |
| seb128 | haha | 07:39 |
| seb128 | that transition is "fun" it seems | 07:39 |
| * seb128 watches -changes and heaps of packages being rebuilt every day | 07:39 | |
| pitti | those are actually the easy part (although it's sheer madness); fixing all the FTBFS is the "fun" | 07:40 |
| seb128 | I guess | 07:41 |
| seb128 | is anything going to migrate by block? or is that a everything or nothing? | 07:42 |
| darkxst | seb128, what issues are you having with bluez5? | 07:42 |
| seb128 | darkxst, the u-c-c work from larsu doesn't build, the g-c-c version in the ppa gives me a "no adaptor found" label and that's it | 07:43 |
| desrt | word up, desktop | 07:43 |
| seb128 | but bluez5 works, since I can pair with bluetoothctl and the indicator shows correct status/change icon/list devices | 07:43 |
| seb128 | hey desrt! | 07:43 |
| desrt | anyone planning on going on a trip for 19th | 07:44 |
| desrt | ? | 07:44 |
| didrocks | good morning desrt | 07:44 |
| seb128 | desrt, you are speaking about debconf? | 07:45 |
| desrt | ya | 07:45 |
| desrt | seems the 19th is a day off and there are several pre-arranged trips | 07:45 |
| seb128 | I'm not, I'm leaving on the 19th | 07:45 |
| seb128 | but maybe Laney or didrocks are? | 07:45 |
| desrt | so you have your own pre-arranged trip, then :) | 07:46 |
| seb128 | right ;-) | 07:46 |
| seb128 | I'm in London the week after debconf | 07:46 |
| desrt | cool. what's going on there? | 07:46 |
| seb128 | and going direct from London to scottland for holidays | 07:46 |
| didrocks | I was just planning to work and spending some time visiting heidelberg | 07:46 |
| desrt | didrocks: mind if i tag along, then? wouldn't mind spending the day with you | 07:47 |
| seb128 | desrt, sprint about pocket pc | 07:47 |
| didrocks | desrt: with great pleasure :) | 07:47 |
| desrt | didrocks: it's a date :) | 07:47 |
| didrocks | heh | 07:47 |
| seb128 | didrocks, desrt, get a room | 07:47 |
| desrt | hah | 07:47 |
| seb128 | :-p | 07:47 |
| didrocks | ;) | 07:47 |
| darkxst | seb128, I will double check the g-c-c bit later on my laptop, but pretty sure it was working | 07:48 |
| seb128 | darkxst, could be some bug or specific to my config... | 07:48 |
| darkxst | seb128, you running g-c-c in unity? | 07:49 |
| seb128 | g-c-c.real | 07:49 |
| seb128 | but yes | 07:49 |
| darkxst | seb128, yes, but I never tested that under unity | 07:49 |
| seb128 | k | 07:49 |
| seb128 | it should work no? | 07:50 |
| seb128 | or did they do something similar to display where the panel talk dbus to g-s for some reason? | 07:50 |
| darkxst | seb128, if it talks to g-s-d things will break | 07:50 |
| darkxst | not entirely sure the bluetooth stuff does though | 07:50 |
| RAOF | desrt: Yo! | 07:56 |
| desrt | hey | 07:56 |
| RAOF | Hope you had a good holiday. | 07:56 |
| desrt | i did :) | 07:56 |
| desrt | got your email ... i'm sort of confused about what you want | 07:57 |
| desrt | (re: vulkan) | 07:57 |
| RAOF | Hah. | 07:58 |
| RAOF | I'm not entirely sure, either. | 07:59 |
| desrt | oh. good. glad i captured the meaning :) | 07:59 |
| Laney | hullo | 08:02 |
| didrocks | good good good good good morning Laney | 08:02 |
| pitti | hey Laney! | 08:04 |
| Laney | sup | 08:04 |
| seb128 | hey Laney | 08:07 |
| Laney | hey seb128 | 08:12 |
| willcooke | morning all | 08:16 |
| desrt | hello willcooke | 08:16 |
| willcooke | desrt, jet lag much? | 08:17 |
| desrt | nope | 08:17 |
| willcooke | still in EUR? | 08:17 |
| desrt | yup | 08:18 |
| desrt | going to debconf next week anyway so i figured i'd save myself the pain and stay with a friend for a week | 08:18 |
| desrt | works well... she works a typical 9-5, so during the day i get to do my usual thing: work from home... | 08:18 |
| willcooke | excellent! | 08:18 |
| didrocks | hey willcooke | 08:20 |
| willcooke | howdy didrocks | 08:20 |
| * desrt has a fuckya moment | 08:21 | |
| desrt | i took an _awesome_ picture last week and i accidentally deleted it | 08:21 |
| desrt | but between those two occasions i copied all the pics/videos off of my phone in order to make space by deleting the vids (since i was running out) | 08:21 |
| desrt | so... yay :) | 08:22 |
| willcooke | \o/ | 08:22 |
| seb128 | hey willcooke | 08:26 |
| willcooke | morning seb128 | 08:29 |
| darkxst | seb128, Trevinho, I now access to the CI train, i'll try and setup a landing for the compiz mp tomorrow?, bit tied up tonight, my bro is visting! | 09:14 |
| seb128 | darkxst, Trevinho said bregma already had an ongoing/planned one, maybe coordinate with thel | 09:15 |
| seb128 | them | 09:15 |
| seb128 | is that the only thing blocking that update? | 09:16 |
| darkxst | seb128, still waiting on jdstrand to approve the source only maining | 09:16 |
| seb128 | right | 09:16 |
| seb128 | so no hurry for the compiz one | 09:16 |
| darkxst | but just thought that would be a good one to learn the CI train | 09:16 |
| seb128 | right, but if there is already one in the ci you are going to create trouble/conflicts | 09:17 |
| seb128 | so please check with bregma/trevinho first | 09:17 |
| darkxst | seb128, if they are landing one, I'm obviously not going to also! | 09:18 |
| seb128 | right, well it's even if they have things planned to land | 09:18 |
| seb128 | better to do one landing rather than 2 | 09:18 |
| seb128 | or you need to do the full testplan twice | 09:19 |
| willcooke | darkxst, seb128 - Trevinho is off today, but I know that bregma does indeed have plans in progress to land | 09:19 |
| seb128 | willcooke, k | 09:19 |
| seb128 | willcooke, is Trevinho trying to avoid our team meeting? ;-) | 09:20 |
| willcooke | seb128, I know right!? | 09:20 |
| darkxst | willcooke, sure, I won't start anything then | 09:20 |
| === hikiko is now known as hikiko|bbl | ||
| seb128 | Laney, what is displaying the gpg password ui now in wily? | 11:01 |
| Laney | pinentry-gnome3 from gnupg2 | 11:09 |
| Laney | oh no, pinentry not gnupg2 | 11:12 |
| seb128 | Laney, thanks | 11:17 |
| seb128 | (t's having some translations issues) | 11:17 |
| Laney | it also FTBFS! | 11:19 |
| Laney | I think the messages are sent by gpg itself btw | 11:20 |
| === hikiko|bbl is now known as hikiko | ||
| * didrocks keeps having Xorg crash on wily | 11:49 | |
| ogra_ | use Mir | 11:50 |
| didrocks | willcooke: I guess Robert is looking regularly at crash reports on whoopsie, right? | 11:50 |
| didrocks | ogra_: sure, give me an unity7 Mir desktop :p | 11:50 |
| didrocks | as you are using I guess? | 11:50 |
| ogra_ | nah, i dont use wily on any important devices :) | 11:50 |
| seb128 | didrocks, is that https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/27941445d596fb71be692b9008c0847d2ce6c428 ? | 11:51 |
| ogra_ | doko is gone wild ... | 11:51 |
| didrocks | seb128: one sec, looking | 11:51 |
| didrocks | seb128: doesn't seem so | 11:52 |
| didrocks | I would love though if whoopsie was able to give me a link of the stack I reported | 11:53 |
| seb128 | didrocks, you have the list in system settings -> security & privacy | 11:54 |
| seb128 | or the link at least | 11:54 |
| didrocks | seb128: in the diagnostics? | 11:54 |
| didrocks | oh, right | 11:54 |
| seb128 | yes | 11:55 |
| didrocks | didn't know that one, great :) | 11:55 |
| seb128 | the web ui is not great | 11:55 |
| * didrocks has lost track since this switch to whoopsie | 11:55 | |
| seb128 | it's like a dump of uids | 11:55 |
| didrocks | well, it's not list anyway… | 11:55 |
| seb128 | but at least it's there | 11:55 |
| didrocks | maybe I have to wait enough for it being retraced first | 11:55 |
| seb128 | could be, at least for it to match a set/report | 11:56 |
| seb128 | https://errors.ubuntu.com/?release=Ubuntu%2015.10&package=xorg-server&period=week | 11:56 |
| seb128 | you are on intel? | 11:56 |
| didrocks | yep | 11:57 |
| didrocks | hum, .upload and .uploaded | 11:57 |
| seb128 | the 1st one is the one that doesn't seem to be your | 11:57 |
| seb128 | 2/3 are similar and the reported bug is against nvidia | 11:57 |
| seb128 | everything else is low/old | 11:58 |
| seb128 | so it's likely your issue is specific and that Robert isn't working on it | 11:58 |
| seb128 | no issue here, just as another piece of info | 11:58 |
| seb128 | when did your issues start? | 11:58 |
| didrocks | when I started to upgrade to wily | 11:58 |
| seb128 | do you use mir as a system compositor from old times? | 11:58 |
| didrocks | (yesterday) | 11:59 |
| didrocks | no I removed it a long time ago | 11:59 |
| seb128 | k, dunno then | 11:59 |
| seb128 | did you get a backtrace? | 11:59 |
| didrocks | I'm trying to unpack it | 11:59 |
| didrocks | ValueError: ['UserGroups', 'xserver.errors', '.tmp.unity.support.test.0', 'ProcEnviron'] has no binary content | 11:59 |
| === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch | ||
| didrocks | and coreDump seems corruped, sigh | 12:02 |
| didrocks | ahah, I have an OsAbort call | 12:03 |
| didrocks | in one of the thread | 12:03 |
| didrocks | little bit different up stacktrace | 12:03 |
| didrocks | but it could be the same issue than the top crasher | 12:04 |
| didrocks | so, if Robert is looking at those top crashers, let's wait for this | 12:05 |
| seb128 | right | 12:05 |
| seb128 | unsure if he's looking at those though | 12:06 |
| seb128 | willcooke, did robert_ancell step up as xorg maintainer? or is the doing xmir and just helping to get the xorg stack updated on the way? | 12:06 |
| seb128 | didrocks, btw, I got the u-c-c work from larsu working, there were some packaging tweaks to do and it's not ideal (like it installs a shared lib that should rather be static or private) but it seems to work ;-) | 12:08 |
| seb128 | btw the transitions ppa should be testable for unity users | 12:08 |
| seb128 | if some others want to opt in | 12:08 |
| seb128 | I'm going to email u-d@ today | 12:09 |
| didrocks | seb128: ah nice! I will see in my bluetooth situation is a little bit better with the whole stack! :) | 12:09 |
| seb128 | thanks! | 12:09 |
| seb128 | if it's not at least if we work on issue that's not on outdated components | 12:10 |
| didrocks | right! | 12:10 |
| === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g | ||
| * didrocks goes for a run | 13:11 | |
| pitti | didrocks: bon cours ! | 13:11 |
| pitti | ... "bonne course", non? | 13:11 |
| didrocks | pitti: merci, j'essaie de faire une bonne course :) | 13:11 |
| didrocks | pitti: oui, la deuxième ! | 13:12 |
| seb128 | didrocks, évite le soleil ! | 13:12 |
| pitti | didrocks: je suis allé courier encore dans le matin | 13:12 |
| didrocks | seb128: vu le ciel, ça va être difficile :p | 13:12 |
| didrocks | pitti: tu as raison de partir courir le matin | 13:12 |
| didrocks | je suis juste pas assez motivé ;) | 13:12 |
| pitti | oui, trop chaud après midi | 13:13 |
| seb128 | didrocks, pitti se lève à 5h aussi, donc l'après-midi pour lui c'est à 10h :p | 13:13 |
| didrocks | seb128: pas faux ! | 13:13 |
| pitti | héhé | 13:13 |
| pitti | oui, je ne peux plus dormir :( | 13:13 |
| didrocks | :/ | 13:14 |
| pitti | je ne "pouvais" plus ... ? | 13:14 |
| * pitti doit apprendre les verbs auxiliares | 13:15 | |
| didrocks | oui :) | 13:15 |
| didrocks | "pouvais" | 13:15 |
| didrocks | ok, j'y vais vraiment, pour ne pas être en retard au meeting | 13:15 |
| pitti | o/ | 13:16 |
| willcooke | seb128, argh, sorry totally missed the mention. the second one. tjaalton has kindly taken on maint of X org assistance provided by Robert if required | 13:17 |
| seb128 | didrocks, ^ | 13:19 |
| seb128 | willcooke, no worry, thanks | 13:19 |
| seb128 | tjaalton, hey, is there a know issue with xserver/intel? didrocks mentioned things are not stable for him since he upgraded to wily | 13:20 |
| pitti | WFM | 14:03 |
| seb128 | pitti, xserver/intel? | 14:03 |
| pitti | seb128: yes | 14:03 |
| seb128 | yeah, wfm as well on my 2 machines | 14:03 |
| pitti | haven't had a crash in ages | 14:03 |
| seb128 | yeah, I don't remember last time I had xserver closing on me | 14:04 |
| seb128 | but not this cycle for pretty sure | 14:04 |
| tjaalton | seb128: most likely due to the kernel | 14:05 |
| seb128 | could be, I guess the xorg/intel stack didn't change much | 14:05 |
| tjaalton | userspace hasn't changed much | 14:05 |
| seb128 | tjaalton, is there an known issue you can think about? | 14:05 |
| tjaalton | depends on the generation | 14:06 |
| tjaalton | but not offhand | 14:06 |
| seb128 | k | 14:06 |
| seb128 | tjaalton, thanks | 14:07 |
| ricotz | seb128, 4.2.0-3.3 seems problematic in that regard (while using a blob), but I guess you are on 4.1.0-x.x | 14:08 |
| tjaalton | oh, mesa got updated today, but it should be stable and has been in sid for a few weeks | 14:09 |
| seb128 | tjaalton, didrocks had the issue before today he said iirc | 14:09 |
| seb128 | ricotz, yeah, wily is 4.1 | 14:09 |
| ricotz | tjaalton, oh 10.6.x? | 14:09 |
| tjaalton | yep | 14:10 |
| ricotz | :) | 14:10 |
| ricotz | i assume 10.6.4 will there soon | 14:11 |
| tjaalton | upstream release manager seems to be on vacation, but the plan was to push a snapshot to exåerimental and then 11.0rc to wily post-ff | 14:11 |
| tjaalton | err, s/å/p/ | 14:12 |
| tjaalton | this kbd is tiny | 14:12 |
| ricotz | seb128, i see, unfortunately that 4.1.0-x.x is still 4.1.3 and missing some updates (4.1.5) too which includes quite some drm/i915 fixes | 14:14 |
| ricotz | tjaalton, ok, going for 11.0rc seems interesting but better in conjunction with kernel 4.2 and skl | 14:18 |
| tjaalton | ricotz: it's more for amdgpu | 14:32 |
| ricotz | tjaalton, right, I didnt want to mangle with drm with its new libdrm-amdgpu.so.1 | 14:52 |
| didrocks | tjaalton: I'm on 10.5.9-2ubuntu1 | 15:00 |
| didrocks | tjaalton: I see that 10.6.3-1ubuntu1 is in proposed, is it supposed to fix that top crash in xorg? | 15:01 |
| seb128 | Laney, mvo, pitti, do you know if packagekit is supposed to work/was working in ubuntu to install archive debs? robert_ancell sent me an email saying that he tried to "pkcong install <things>" and is getting issues and he's wondering if that ever worked/is supposed to work, or is known as "need work" | 15:05 |
| mvo | seb128: what kind of error does he get? | 15:06 |
| pitti | seb128: it used to work, but that was with the python apt backend | 15:07 |
| pitti | I've never tried the aptcc backend (this definitively broke some things like langpack integration) | 15:07 |
| mvo | seb128: debs or packages? | 15:07 |
| mvo | iirc there is code in PK that uses gdebi for the resolving of the debs | 15:07 |
| Laney | Seems 'pkcon install konsole' doesn't work for me | 15:07 |
| mvo | however with the apt in experimental there will be native .deb install support | 15:07 |
| Laney | I don't know very much about packagekit though I'm afraid | 15:08 |
| mvo | (which is in experimental *way* too long sadly) | 15:08 |
| seb128 | mvo, he did say, but trying to e.g "pkcon install gconf-editor" doesn't work for me | 15:08 |
| seb128 | it says the package is not available | 15:08 |
| mvo | on 15.04 I get: | 15:09 |
| mvo | seb128: com | 15:09 |
| seb128 | mvo, Laney, pitti, thanks, I think I'm just going to tell him that pkcon is untested/not really supported at the moment | 15:09 |
| mvo | seb128: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12055998/ | 15:09 |
| seb128 | hum | 15:10 |
| pitti | seb128: that's very true | 15:10 |
| tjaalton | didrocks: I don't know, doubt it.. try mainline kernels to see where it broke, or if 4.2 fixes it | 15:12 |
| seb128 | mvo, the experimental version requires pkgkit 1 which drops support for plugins which is used by click though? | 15:12 |
| mvo | seb128: correct, we need lp:~mvo/click/native-dbus first, then we can drop the click plugin | 15:13 |
| mvo | seb128: for pk | 15:13 |
| seb128 | mvo, is that likely to land for this cycle? | 15:13 |
| Laney | I think that's needed if we want to look at gnome software btw | 15:14 |
| Laney | so would be helpful | 15:14 |
| didrocks | tjaalton: well, I'll try booting on older kernels first, but having it failing every couple of hours don't help being productive | 15:14 |
| tjaalton | didrocks: anything in dmesg= | 15:15 |
| tjaalton | ? | 15:15 |
| tjaalton | and what's failing | 15:15 |
| seb128 | Laney, indeed, though that would need to move this cycle, I doubt we can start and be done with that transition in the lts cycle | 15:15 |
| Laney | what transition? | 15:15 |
| mvo | seb128: its almost ready, if someone can get it prioritized I think so, but for now its unfrotunately low on my priorities :/ | 15:16 |
| seb128 | Laney, s-c -< gnome-software | 15:16 |
| Laney | dunno | 15:16 |
| seb128 | if we want to switch | 15:16 |
| seb128 | I don't like switching important component in the lts cycle | 15:16 |
| seb128 | it gives little room for feedback and interations | 15:16 |
| seb128 | mvo, we could also break click in wily | 15:17 |
| seb128 | ogra_ wouldn't mind | 15:17 |
| didrocks | tjaalton: nothing interesting in dmesg (or that seems to), the stacktrace seems to be the top Xorg crasher in whoopsie: //errors.ubuntu.com/problem/27941445d596fb71be692b9008c0847d2ce6c428 | 15:17 |
| ogra_ | +1 | 15:17 |
| seb128 | as he said, it wouldn't be the first thing that stops working on ubuntu touch wily ;-) | 15:17 |
| ogra_ | make is snap already ! | 15:17 |
| ogra_ | *it | 15:17 |
| ogra_ | seb128, hmm, thouh we install some clicks at image build time, we'd have to rip that bit out temporary to still have images | 15:18 |
| tjaalton | didrocks: nvidia? | 15:19 |
| seb128 | ogra_, yeah, I was rather jocking there though ;-) mvo has a click branch that should make it work without using packagekit's plugins | 15:19 |
| seb128 | so we could just land that | 15:19 |
| ogra_ | well, not sure what that is worth, iven clicks wont be able to run anyway | 15:20 |
| ogra_ | *given | 15:20 |
| ogra_ | but yeah, fixes are always good :) | 15:20 |
| seb128 | yeah | 15:20 |
| didrocks | tjaalton: no, intel | 15:22 |
| tjaalton | so it crashes all of a sudden? | 15:23 |
| tjaalton | most of these seem to be from trusty though | 15:23 |
| didrocks | tjaalton: yep, I'm getting a similar stacktrace on wily, and so then lightdm restarts | 15:23 |
| tjaalton | well, could perhaps update the snapshot | 15:24 |
| tjaalton | of intel ddx | 15:25 |
| didrocks | tjaalton: tell me if you have anything that I could test | 15:25 |
| tjaalton | build git version of x-x-v-intel | 15:25 |
| tjaalton | or hang on | 15:25 |
| didrocks | (I had no issue on the same machine on vivid, it really started when I updated to wily) | 15:25 |
| ricotz | tjaalton, xorg-edgers ;) | 15:25 |
| tjaalton | ricotz: well ok, but need to be careful with that | 15:26 |
| ricotz | tjaalton, Sarvatt pushed one yesterday | 15:26 |
| ricotz | just download the deb and install it manually | 15:26 |
| tjaalton | right | 15:26 |
| tjaalton | didrocks: do that ^ :) | 15:26 |
| didrocks | tjaalton: so adding the ppa and dist-upgrade or just some .debs to install? | 15:26 |
| tjaalton | just the one deb or you get everything else too | 15:26 |
| didrocks | "the one" being? :) | 15:27 |
| ricotz | https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+sourcepub/5291145/+listing-archive-extra | 15:27 |
| ricotz | wily, right? | 15:27 |
| didrocks | xserver-xorg-video-intel I guess | 15:27 |
| didrocks | ricotz: yep, thanks! | 15:27 |
| willcooke | seb128, back | 15:28 |
| didrocks | done, let's see how it goes, I'll reboot after the meeting | 15:28 |
| didrocks | or if I crash first :p | 15:28 |
| * willcooke rushes to get the roll call list | 15:28 | |
| seb128 | willcooke, just on time! | 15:29 |
| * desrt get a tingly feeling in the fingers | 15:29 | |
| Laney | going to be a short list from me this week | 15:30 |
| Laney | could do it in one word :P | 15:30 |
| desrt | 'hols' | 15:30 |
| didrocks | Laney: 3 letters + one number, right? | 15:30 |
| Laney | g++5 | 15:30 |
| willcooke | #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2015-08-11 | 15:30 |
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| desrt | heh | 15:30 |
| willcooke | Hello everyone! | 15:30 |
| willcooke | Roll call: andyrock, attente, desrt, dgadomski, didrocks, fjkong (travel), happyaron (travel), hikiko, laney, larsu (hols), qengho (hols), seb128, sweet5hark (hols), themuso (out), tkamppeter, trevino (hols), robert_ancell (out) | 15:30 |
| andyrock | hey | 15:30 |
| desrt | new people!! | 15:31 |
| willcooke | yay! | 15:31 |
| hikiko | hello :) | 15:31 |
| dgadomski | hey | 15:31 |
| desrt | hi hikiko :D | 15:31 |
| hikiko | I'm sorry I have to go... :) | 15:31 |
| hikiko | hi desrt ! | 15:32 |
| willcooke | hikiko, do you want to go first? Have you got time? | 15:32 |
| hikiko | yes :) | 15:32 |
| willcooke | #topic hikiko | 15:32 |
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| willcooke | hikiko, GO GO GO! | 15:32 |
| hikiko | I worked on the ezoom plugin fixed the icons preprocessing (unity-launcher) to scale properly (modelview matrix modification) and did some progress with the bug no #1480863 but didn't fix it :) | 15:33 |
| hikiko | eof | 15:33 |
| willcooke | thanks hikiko | 15:34 |
| willcooke | #topic andyrock | 15:34 |
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| hikiko | goodbye everyone :) | 15:34 |
| andyrock | hey | 15:34 |
| seb128 | hikiko, bye | 15:34 |
| willcooke | cya hikiko | 15:34 |
| andyrock | basically i've been working on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1449654 last week | 15:34 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1449654 in unity (Ubuntu) "windows can be resized from wrong workspace" [Medium,In progress] | 15:34 |
| andyrock | there is already an approved MP | 15:34 |
| andyrock | and this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1457276 | 15:35 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1457276 in unity (Ubuntu) "Drop-down sound menu has no delay" [High,In progress] | 15:35 |
| andyrock | it's almost done | 15:35 |
| andyrock | i'm not going to use a delay but math to improve the situation | 15:35 |
| andyrock | basically this: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/qXGkfaSw/triangle.png | 15:35 |
| willcooke | good stuff, thanks andyrock. There will be some happy users to see those fixes in. | 15:35 |
| andyrock | yeah atm it's pretty buggy | 15:35 |
| * Laney remembers a unity bug to file/search for | 15:36 | |
| Laney | muhahah | 15:36 |
| willcooke | :D | 15:36 |
| andyrock | maybe i'll do a MP by the end of the day | 15:36 |
| seb128 | andyrock, nice one ;-) | 15:36 |
| andyrock | not sure what is going to be my next bug | 15:36 |
| andyrock | we cannot make thing perfects but it should improve the current situation | 15:37 |
| andyrock | to make things better we should introduce a delay | 15:37 |
| andyrock | but we don't like delays | 15:37 |
| willcooke | oki, we can discuss the specifics later on and we can look at other bugs too. | 15:37 |
| willcooke | andyrock, anything else you want to report? | 15:38 |
| andyrock | that's all for me | 15:38 |
| willcooke | cool, thanks a lot! | 15:38 |
| andyrock | np | 15:38 |
| willcooke | #topic attente | 15:38 |
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| willcooke | hey attente | 15:38 |
| seb128 | andyrock, btw that's bug #552920 which has pointers and nice comments from mpt | 15:38 |
| ubot5 | bug 552920 in unity (Ubuntu) "Moving diagonally from narrow menu title often opens adjacent menu" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/552920 | 15:38 |
| attente | getting up to speed with libertine, debugged some small issues | 15:38 |
| attente | first stab at building a click package containing a libertine container | 15:38 |
| attente | (eof) | 15:38 |
| seb128 | andyrock, see https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=710388 as well | 15:39 |
| ubot5 | Gnome bug 710388 in Widget: GtkMenu "Menu navigation triangle doesn't work anymore" [Normal,New] | 15:39 |
| seb128 | attente, what is libertine? | 15:39 |
| andyrock | seb128: thanks! | 15:39 |
| seb128 | andyrock, yw! | 15:40 |
| attente | seb128: it's a project that should make it easier to create containers (lxc/chroot) for legacy x apps | 15:40 |
| seb128 | k, interesting | 15:41 |
| attente | seb128: https://github.com/ubuntu-libertine/libertine | 15:41 |
| seb128 | thanks | 15:41 |
| willcooke | thanks attente | 15:41 |
| willcooke | #topic desrt | 15:41 |
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| willcooke | desrt, welcome back from hols! | 15:42 |
| desrt | thanks :D | 15:42 |
| desrt | basically spent the last day getting out from under my pile of emails | 15:42 |
| desrt | starting to dig into bugs next... | 15:42 |
| desrt | anything anyone needed while i was gone? | 15:42 |
| Laney | mclasen was after you | 15:43 |
| desrt | cool. i'll ping. | 15:43 |
| desrt | looks like BoFs are still on at guadec | 15:43 |
| willcooke | thanks desrt | 15:44 |
| willcooke | #topic dgadomski | 15:44 |
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| willcooke | Hey dgadomski - how's OEM looking? | 15:44 |
| dgadomski | actually I'm not OEM, I'm sustaining engineering inside cloud ops | 15:44 |
| dgadomski | :) | 15:44 |
| willcooke | wait what | 15:45 |
| willcooke | you lie | 15:45 |
| dgadomski | I never lie :) | 15:45 |
| willcooke | I need to stop huffing glue | 15:45 |
| willcooke | sorry dgadomski | 15:45 |
| dgadomski | no worries | 15:45 |
| dgadomski | * prepared a debdiff to fix bug #1464645 for trusty | 15:46 |
| ubot5 | bug 1464645 in gvfs (Ubuntu) "Samba shares over gvfs do not respect ACL rules" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1464645 | 15:46 |
| dgadomski | * still working towards fixing bug #1124250 | 15:46 |
| ubot5 | bug 1124250 in linux (Ubuntu Utopic) "Partially incorrect uid mapping with nfs4/idmapd/ldap-auth" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1124250 | 15:46 |
| dgadomski | EOF | 15:46 |
| willcooke | That SMB bug will be a nice fix to see | 15:46 |
| willcooke | thanks dgadomski | 15:46 |
| dgadomski | thanks | 15:46 |
| willcooke | #topic didrocks | 15:46 |
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| didrocks | /!\ long report (to compensate the incoming 4 characters one from Laney) | 15:46 |
| didrocks | * Ubuntu Make: | 15:47 |
| didrocks | - reviewed and merged scala support by ivuk. Will be in next release. | 15:47 |
| didrocks | - reviewed and merged some fixes for progress bar out of range exception from a new contributor, asked to add some tests for it. | 15:47 |
| didrocks | - multiple reviews and comments on eclipse mars + other eclipse derivatives support as well as some tests refactoring by the same new contributor. Still in progress. | 15:47 |
| didrocks | * Ubuntu developer program: | 15:47 |
| didrocks | Continue developping the example app. This week was: | 15:47 |
| didrocks | - add i18n support and encountered issues with our default qmake template with i18n | 15:47 |
| didrocks | - found a singleton best practice and implement global app settings this way (as well as settings page with some expand item toolkit issues) | 15:47 |
| didrocks | - add a DateTime picker handling both Date and Time (not supported upstream) and provide best practice/workaround u1db issues on dates. | 15:47 |
| didrocks | - add comments and binary attachement through using the contenthub and provides/creates best practices around it (and on testing on desktop) for importing and handling images (to finish). Provide some more workaround for model and u1db issues. | 15:47 |
| didrocks | - some small global polishing (error handling, no results, first opening, rewording) and refactoring to avoid duplicating properties | 15:47 |
| didrocks | - opened more than 20 toolkit-related bugs due to various issues encountered above (and which I had to workaround) + discuss with upstream on each of those. Let's hope they got them fix soon! At least, we have documented workarounds and best practices now :) | 15:47 |
| didrocks | * Misc: | 15:47 |
| didrocks | - advice to some of our upstream team on how to keep one branch with different package names (soname changes) due to gcc5 transition | 15:47 |
| didrocks | . | 15:47 |
| willcooke | merci didrocks | 15:48 |
| willcooke | #topic Laney | 15:48 |
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| didrocks | de rien :) | 15:48 |
| tjaalton | didrocks: no need to reboot, next crash or logout is enough :) | 15:48 |
| Laney | I added some more characters | 15:48 |
| Laney | but you can really just read g++5 if you want | 15:48 |
| willcooke | :D | 15:48 |
| Laney | • short week: hols Thursday and Friday | 15:48 |
| Laney | • g++5 hell - what did we do to deserve this? | 15:48 |
| Laney | ∘ many package renames | 15:48 |
| Laney | ∘ many no-change rebuilds | 15:48 |
| Laney | ∘ such breakage, build fixes, NMUs and stuff | 15:48 |
| Laney | ∘ wow | 15:48 |
| Laney | • Some transition tracker maintenance to avoid false negatives | 15:48 |
| Laney | • Next: moar g++5, dbus 1.10 (rc), e-d-s 3.16.5, debconf | 15:48 |
| Laney | • Anyone know how to fix https://plus.google.com/+IainLane/posts/asJo19AJShN so I can expand my unicode repertoire? | 15:48 |
| Laney | ⚜ | 15:48 |
| willcooke | thank you Laney, your diligence in the fight with GCC5 is very much appreciated | 15:49 |
| willcooke | Laney, oh - and.... | 15:49 |
| willcooke | Fonts | 15:49 |
| willcooke | :( | 15:49 |
| Laney | Ph0ntz | 15:49 |
| willcooke | word | 15:49 |
| willcooke | but another day | 15:49 |
| willcooke | #topic seb128 | 15:49 |
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| seb128 | • spent over a day fighting with phone images/os-es to restore a formatted imei :-( | 15:49 |
| seb128 | • landed u-c-c wily update (sound panel fix + logo update) | 15:49 |
| seb128 | • worked a bit on the gcc5 transition | 15:49 |
| seb128 | • refreshed the bluez5 transition packages, fought a bit with u-c-c to get it working, the ppa should be mostly working, extra testers&feedback would be welcome | 15:49 |
| seb128 | • reviewed/tested/sponsored some bluez4 fixes for touch (and wily) | 15:49 |
| seb128 | • bugs triage (desktop & touch) | 15:49 |
| seb128 | </week> | 15:50 |
| willcooke | merci seb128 | 15:50 |
| seb128 | de rien ! | 15:50 |
| willcooke | #topic TheMuso | 15:50 |
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| willcooke | * Continued planning for new accessibility profile implementatino for 16.04, hoping to allow support for all GTK/GNOME based flavours. | 15:50 |
| willcooke | * COntinued work on Speech Dispatcher, mostly upstream. | 15:50 |
| willcooke | #topic robert_ancell | 15:50 |
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| willcooke | - Released lightdm 1.15.1, 1.15.2 | 15:50 |
| willcooke | - XMir bug investigation | 15:50 |
| willcooke | - Added detection of scanners without drivers to Simple Scan. | 15:50 |
| willcooke | - Fixed XCB -dev package names | 15:50 |
| willcooke | - Update depends in packages to stop using transitional package names | 15:50 |
| willcooke | ooops, missed out... | 15:51 |
| willcooke | #topic Trevinho | 15:51 |
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| willcooke | * Some vacation time :) -> Spent some time on the pile of backlog | 15:51 |
| willcooke | * Started refactoring unity switcher model to be dynamic (content should | 15:51 |
| willcooke | update when switcher showing) | 15:51 |
| willcooke | * Implementing Alt+Tab+$key_next_to_tab to close active app/win in | 15:51 |
| willcooke | switcher (bug #1468820) | 15:51 |
| willcooke | * Some experiments for implementing GNOME-like overlay scrollbars in | 15:51 |
| ubot5 | bug 1468820 in Unity "close windows from switcher [wishlist]" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1468820 | 15:51 |
| willcooke | unity dash | 15:51 |
| willcooke | * Got flights and prepared documents to go to China | 15:51 |
| willcooke | * Reviewed some unity branches | 15:51 |
| willcooke | * Got CI-Train keys and studied the landing process | 15:51 |
| willcooke | #topic Any Other Business | 15:51 |
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| Laney | a China trip that I don't get to go on? :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(:( :( :( :(:(:(:(:(:( | 15:52 |
| willcooke | Yeah, hikiko and Trevinho get to visit this time | 15:52 |
| seb128 | Laney was looking forward chinese spies try to hack his laptop again | 15:52 |
| Laney | yeah I got a new one since then | 15:52 |
| willcooke | They've already done that | 15:52 |
| Laney | although, guess where it shipped from | 15:52 |
| Laney | ... | 15:52 |
| andyrock | ahaahahah | 15:52 |
| willcooke | XD | 15:52 |
| willcooke | I've suggested that they visit The Great Wall, same place we went | 15:53 |
| * didrocks wants a Japan trip | 15:53 | |
| Laney | is it the same kind of thing? | 15:53 |
| willcooke | +1 for Japan | 15:53 |
| willcooke | Laney, yeah, same deal | 15:53 |
| Laney | mmm | 15:53 |
| willcooke | We have an SRU request from OEM, need to speak to ara about it some more tomorrow | 15:53 |
| willcooke | A few interesting threads on the -desktop mailing list right now, worth checking if you haven;t already | 15:54 |
| * willcooke is planning to reply to them all, but just in a holding pattern | 15:54 | |
| willcooke | oh, Laney there is *another* font release coming. \o/ | 15:55 |
| Laney | um | 15:55 |
| willcooke | Design have asked dpm to find some help for testing, so maybe we can pass the release work over too | 15:55 |
| Laney | what for? | 15:55 |
| willcooke | Laney, a new thin version | 15:55 |
| Laney | does that mean we should skip this one? | 15:56 |
| willcooke | I see the email subject, haven't opened it yet. Plausible deniability | 15:56 |
| * dpm confirms Design got in touch and we're looking at how we can help | 15:56 | |
| Laney | good strategy | 15:56 |
| didrocks | ahah, "managers read emails" -> subject :) | 15:56 |
| willcooke | could do, since there is not real point in making two releases | 15:56 |
| Laney | that would make me happy | 15:56 |
| willcooke | didrocks, I haven't got time to *read* the things. I've got slides to work on | 15:56 |
| willcooke | #notjoking | 15:57 |
| didrocks | willcooke: and spreadsheets to file in! | 15:57 |
| Laney | (tequila to drink) | 15:57 |
| didrocks | :) | 15:57 |
| willcooke | Laney, I'll get up to speed and fill you in later | 15:57 |
| Laney | no... rush... | 15:57 |
| willcooke | :) | 15:57 |
| willcooke | oh, also... I asked Trevinho to look at making the dash OSB look like the new Gnome ones - should be doable. | 15:58 |
| seb128 | tequila filling for Laney?! | 15:58 |
| Laney | he said that in his status | 15:58 |
| seb128 | Laney, that's better than a China trip ;-) | 15:58 |
| Laney | seb128: heidelberg tequila party | 15:58 |
| willcooke | ah, yeah it's that reading emails thing | 15:58 |
| seb128 | \o/ | 15:58 |
| * Laney needs to get some C&W | 15:59 | |
| Laney | can't turn up to debconf empty handed | 15:59 |
| willcooke | ah yes - have fun at the weekend folks | 15:59 |
| willcooke | any more topics? | 15:59 |
| seb128 | not from me | 15:59 |
| willcooke | in 5..... | 16:00 |
| Laney | nein | 16:00 |
| willcooke | ..4.. | 16:00 |
| didrocks | keine topic :) | 16:00 |
| seb128 | I already mentioned it in my weekly summary, but bluez5 should be ready in the ppa and testing would be welcome | 16:00 |
| seb128 | https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/ubuntu/transitions/ | 16:00 |
| seb128 | I emailed devel/phone lists about it as well | 16:00 |
| willcooke | awesome, thanks seb128 | 16:00 |
| seb128 | yw! | 16:00 |
| willcooke | 3,2,1, #endmeeting | 16:00 |
| seb128 | thanks! | 16:01 |
| willcooke | #endmeeting | 16:01 |
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| meetingology | Meeting ended Tue Aug 11 16:01:02 2015 UTC. | 16:01 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2015/ubuntu-desktop.2015-08-11-15.30.moin.txt | 16:01 |
| willcooke | thank you everyone | 16:01 |
| Laney | xnox: you coming debconf? | 16:01 |
| andyrock | thanks! | 16:01 |
| didrocks | thanks! | 16:01 |
| Laney | we could do something about gnupg2 | 16:01 |
| andyrock | seb128: btw we are not using gtk for the indicators | 16:01 |
| andyrock | we actually draw them using nux | 16:02 |
| andyrock | just the dropdown menus are handled by gtk | 16:02 |
| seb128 | andyrock, k, well technically the same triangle solution applies | 16:02 |
| * didrocks remembers the space handling """fun""" for indicators in nux | 16:02 | |
| andyrock | but I can have a look at gtk code to try to fix it too | 16:02 |
| andyrock | seems like the code is already there, it's just broken | 16:02 |
| seb128 | right | 16:03 |
| seb128 | that would be nice ;-) | 16:03 |
| xnox | Laney: i don't think so. | 16:03 |
| * Laney weeps | 16:04 | |
| didrocks | no China, no xnox, bad week for Laney | 16:05 |
| * didrocks hugs Laney | 16:05 | |
| Laney | it's not going to be the same | 16:05 |
| Laney | yeah :( | 16:05 |
| didrocks | don't worry, I'm sure we'll go to Japan, it all depends on willcooke :) | 16:05 |
| * Laney hugs didrocks | 16:05 | |
| didrocks | (no pressure) | 16:05 |
| Laney | at least I've got you | 16:05 |
| didrocks | \o/ | 16:05 |
| seb128 | :-) | 16:05 |
| didrocks | attente: the libertine github project should join the ubuntu group btw, I can get it added if you want | 16:09 |
| Laney | surely it should come back to LP now we have git | 16:09 |
| attente | didrocks: best to ask bregma about that since he started it | 16:10 |
| didrocks | bregma: ^ | 16:10 |
| xnox | Laney: you can always join the big blue ;-) | 16:14 |
| Laney | sounds like becoming a surfer | 16:14 |
| Laney | I could be down with that | 16:14 |
| bregma | we put libertine up on github because the git support in Launchpad was broken at the time | 16:19 |
| bregma | we need to move it into bazaar eventually so it will work with the ci-train when the time comes | 16:20 |
| didrocks | bregma: ok, if you have long term plan to keep in github, we can move the project easily under the ubuntu namespace | 16:20 |
| didrocks | (that doesn't change anything for you, it's just that it's centrally managed) | 16:21 |
| bregma | didrocks, our long-term plans weren't to use github but it wouldn;t hurt to move it under ubuntu no matter what | 16:21 |
| didrocks | bregma: ok, I'll have a look tommorrow and keep you posted (I did the same for Ubuntu Make a year ago) | 16:23 |
| bregma | cool | 16:23 |
| didrocks | see you tomorrow guys! | 16:23 |
| bregma | also, because people keep asking, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/static/dashboard.html#?q=compiz has been in -proposed for a while and will block other Unity 7 stack landings until the GCC-5 thing passes | 16:24 |
| bregma | final Unity 7 landing before the 7.3.3 release is https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/?req=138 | 16:25 |
| bregma | then I'm done | 16:26 |
| seb128 | bregma, I don't understand that statement | 16:32 |
| seb128 | bregma, you could keep doing landing in proposed even if the previous one didn't migrate | 16:32 |
| seb128 | you can merge&clean without having it migrate, there is a jenkins box to check for that | 16:33 |
| seb128 | you can also refresh you silo and do another landing without the m&c | 16:33 |
| bregma | I get spanked when I do that | 16:33 |
| seb128 | by who? | 16:33 |
| seb128 | I keep doing it... | 16:33 |
| seb128 | and no, it's not because I like spanking ;-) | 16:34 |
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| Laney | laters! | 17:09 |
| seb128 | Laney, have a good evening! | 17:09 |
| Laney | you too! | 17:10 |
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| jcastro | mamarley: welcome! | 23:05 |
| mamarley | Hi :) | 23:05 |
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