[03:01] Good morning [05:02] sigh, again misser ancell? [05:02] missed [05:07] hi [05:23] tjaalton: He actually hasn't been in today at all. [05:23] Well, except for an hour at 6am or something. [05:23] great [06:15] good morning [06:51] hey didrocks [06:51] hey hey pitti [07:36] good morning desktopers [07:36] re seb128 [07:37] re didrocks ;-) [07:37] * seb128 is trying bluez5 and is having issues [07:38] bonjour seb128 ! [07:38] hey pitti, wie gehts? [07:39] hateC++hateboosthateC++hateboosthateC++ [07:39] err, I mean -- quite fine, thanks! [07:39] haha [07:39] that transition is "fun" it seems [07:39] * seb128 watches -changes and heaps of packages being rebuilt every day [07:40] those are actually the easy part (although it's sheer madness); fixing all the FTBFS is the "fun" [07:41] I guess [07:42] is anything going to migrate by block? or is that a everything or nothing? [07:42] seb128, what issues are you having with bluez5? [07:43] darkxst, the u-c-c work from larsu doesn't build, the g-c-c version in the ppa gives me a "no adaptor found" label and that's it [07:43] word up, desktop [07:43] but bluez5 works, since I can pair with bluetoothctl and the indicator shows correct status/change icon/list devices [07:43] hey desrt! [07:44] anyone planning on going on a trip for 19th [07:44] ? [07:44] good morning desrt [07:45] desrt, you are speaking about debconf? [07:45] ya [07:45] seems the 19th is a day off and there are several pre-arranged trips [07:45] I'm not, I'm leaving on the 19th [07:45] but maybe Laney or didrocks are? [07:46] so you have your own pre-arranged trip, then :) [07:46] right ;-) [07:46] I'm in London the week after debconf [07:46] cool. what's going on there? [07:46] and going direct from London to scottland for holidays [07:46] I was just planning to work and spending some time visiting heidelberg [07:47] didrocks: mind if i tag along, then? wouldn't mind spending the day with you [07:47] desrt, sprint about pocket pc [07:47] desrt: with great pleasure :) [07:47] didrocks: it's a date :) [07:47] heh [07:47] didrocks, desrt, get a room [07:47] hah [07:47] :-p [07:47] ;) [07:48] seb128, I will double check the g-c-c bit later on my laptop, but pretty sure it was working [07:48] darkxst, could be some bug or specific to my config... [07:49] seb128, you running g-c-c in unity? [07:49] g-c-c.real [07:49] but yes [07:49] seb128, yes, but I never tested that under unity [07:49] k [07:50] it should work no? [07:50] or did they do something similar to display where the panel talk dbus to g-s for some reason? [07:50] seb128, if it talks to g-s-d things will break [07:50] not entirely sure the bluetooth stuff does though [07:56] desrt: Yo! [07:56] hey [07:56] Hope you had a good holiday. [07:56] i did :) [07:57] got your email ... i'm sort of confused about what you want [07:57] (re: vulkan) [07:58] Hah. [07:59] I'm not entirely sure, either. [07:59] oh. good. glad i captured the meaning :) [08:02] hullo [08:02] good good good good good morning Laney [08:04] hey Laney! [08:04] sup [08:07] hey Laney [08:12] hey seb128 [08:16] morning all [08:16] hello willcooke [08:17] desrt, jet lag much? [08:17] nope [08:17] still in EUR? [08:18] yup [08:18] going to debconf next week anyway so i figured i'd save myself the pain and stay with a friend for a week [08:18] works well... she works a typical 9-5, so during the day i get to do my usual thing: work from home... [08:18] excellent! [08:20] hey willcooke [08:20] howdy didrocks [08:21] * desrt has a fuckya moment [08:21] i took an _awesome_ picture last week and i accidentally deleted it [08:21] but between those two occasions i copied all the pics/videos off of my phone in order to make space by deleting the vids (since i was running out) [08:22] so... yay :) [08:22] \o/ [08:26] hey willcooke [08:29] morning seb128 [09:14] seb128, Trevinho, I now access to the CI train, i'll try and setup a landing for the compiz mp tomorrow?, bit tied up tonight, my bro is visting! [09:15] darkxst, Trevinho said bregma already had an ongoing/planned one, maybe coordinate with thel [09:15] them [09:16] is that the only thing blocking that update? [09:16] seb128, still waiting on jdstrand to approve the source only maining [09:16] right [09:16] so no hurry for the compiz one [09:16] but just thought that would be a good one to learn the CI train [09:17] right, but if there is already one in the ci you are going to create trouble/conflicts [09:17] so please check with bregma/trevinho first [09:18] seb128, if they are landing one, I'm obviously not going to also! [09:18] right, well it's even if they have things planned to land [09:18] better to do one landing rather than 2 [09:19] or you need to do the full testplan twice [09:19] darkxst, seb128 - Trevinho is off today, but I know that bregma does indeed have plans in progress to land [09:19] willcooke, k [09:20] willcooke, is Trevinho trying to avoid our team meeting? ;-) [09:20] seb128, I know right!? [09:20] willcooke, sure, I won't start anything then === hikiko is now known as hikiko|bbl [11:01] Laney, what is displaying the gpg password ui now in wily? [11:09] pinentry-gnome3 from gnupg2 [11:12] oh no, pinentry not gnupg2 [11:17] Laney, thanks [11:17] (t's having some translations issues) [11:19] it also FTBFS! [11:20] I think the messages are sent by gpg itself btw === hikiko|bbl is now known as hikiko [11:49] * didrocks keeps having Xorg crash on wily [11:50] use Mir [11:50] willcooke: I guess Robert is looking regularly at crash reports on whoopsie, right? [11:50] ogra_: sure, give me an unity7 Mir desktop :p [11:50] as you are using I guess? [11:50] nah, i dont use wily on any important devices :) [11:51] didrocks, is that https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/27941445d596fb71be692b9008c0847d2ce6c428 ? [11:51] doko is gone wild ... [11:51] seb128: one sec, looking [11:52] seb128: doesn't seem so [11:53] I would love though if whoopsie was able to give me a link of the stack I reported [11:54] didrocks, you have the list in system settings -> security & privacy [11:54] or the link at least [11:54] seb128: in the diagnostics? [11:54] oh, right [11:55] yes [11:55] didn't know that one, great :) [11:55] the web ui is not great [11:55] * didrocks has lost track since this switch to whoopsie [11:55] it's like a dump of uids [11:55] well, it's not list anyway… [11:55] but at least it's there [11:55] maybe I have to wait enough for it being retraced first [11:56] could be, at least for it to match a set/report [11:56] https://errors.ubuntu.com/?release=Ubuntu%2015.10&package=xorg-server&period=week [11:56] you are on intel? [11:57] yep [11:57] hum, .upload and .uploaded [11:57] the 1st one is the one that doesn't seem to be your [11:57] 2/3 are similar and the reported bug is against nvidia [11:58] everything else is low/old [11:58] so it's likely your issue is specific and that Robert isn't working on it [11:58] no issue here, just as another piece of info [11:58] when did your issues start? [11:58] when I started to upgrade to wily [11:58] do you use mir as a system compositor from old times? [11:59] (yesterday) [11:59] no I removed it a long time ago [11:59] k, dunno then [11:59] did you get a backtrace? [11:59] I'm trying to unpack it [11:59] ValueError: ['UserGroups', 'xserver.errors', '.tmp.unity.support.test.0', 'ProcEnviron'] has no binary content === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [12:02] and coreDump seems corruped, sigh [12:03] ahah, I have an OsAbort call [12:03] in one of the thread [12:03] little bit different up stacktrace [12:04] but it could be the same issue than the top crasher [12:05] so, if Robert is looking at those top crashers, let's wait for this [12:05] right [12:06] unsure if he's looking at those though [12:06] willcooke, did robert_ancell step up as xorg maintainer? or is the doing xmir and just helping to get the xorg stack updated on the way? [12:08] didrocks, btw, I got the u-c-c work from larsu working, there were some packaging tweaks to do and it's not ideal (like it installs a shared lib that should rather be static or private) but it seems to work ;-) [12:08] btw the transitions ppa should be testable for unity users [12:08] if some others want to opt in [12:09] I'm going to email u-d@ today [12:09] seb128: ah nice! I will see in my bluetooth situation is a little bit better with the whole stack! :) [12:09] thanks! [12:10] if it's not at least if we work on issue that's not on outdated components [12:10] right! === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [13:11] * didrocks goes for a run [13:11] didrocks: bon cours ! [13:11] ... "bonne course", non? [13:11] pitti: merci, j'essaie de faire une bonne course :) [13:12] pitti: oui, la deuxième ! [13:12] didrocks, évite le soleil ! [13:12] didrocks: je suis allé courier encore dans le matin [13:12] seb128: vu le ciel, ça va être difficile :p [13:12] pitti: tu as raison de partir courir le matin [13:12] je suis juste pas assez motivé ;) [13:13] oui, trop chaud après midi [13:13] didrocks, pitti se lève à 5h aussi, donc l'après-midi pour lui c'est à 10h :p [13:13] seb128: pas faux ! [13:13] héhé [13:13] oui, je ne peux plus dormir :( [13:14] :/ [13:14] je ne "pouvais" plus ... ? [13:15] * pitti doit apprendre les verbs auxiliares [13:15] oui :) [13:15] "pouvais" [13:15] ok, j'y vais vraiment, pour ne pas être en retard au meeting [13:16] o/ [13:17] seb128, argh, sorry totally missed the mention. the second one. tjaalton has kindly taken on maint of X org assistance provided by Robert if required [13:19] didrocks, ^ [13:19] willcooke, no worry, thanks [13:20] tjaalton, hey, is there a know issue with xserver/intel? didrocks mentioned things are not stable for him since he upgraded to wily [14:03] WFM [14:03] pitti, xserver/intel? [14:03] seb128: yes [14:03] yeah, wfm as well on my 2 machines [14:03] haven't had a crash in ages [14:04] yeah, I don't remember last time I had xserver closing on me [14:04] but not this cycle for pretty sure [14:05] seb128: most likely due to the kernel [14:05] could be, I guess the xorg/intel stack didn't change much [14:05] userspace hasn't changed much [14:05] tjaalton, is there an known issue you can think about? [14:06] depends on the generation [14:06] but not offhand [14:06] k [14:07] tjaalton, thanks [14:08] seb128, 4.2.0-3.3 seems problematic in that regard (while using a blob), but I guess you are on 4.1.0-x.x [14:09] oh, mesa got updated today, but it should be stable and has been in sid for a few weeks [14:09] tjaalton, didrocks had the issue before today he said iirc [14:09] ricotz, yeah, wily is 4.1 [14:09] tjaalton, oh 10.6.x? [14:10] yep [14:10] :) [14:11] i assume 10.6.4 will there soon [14:11] upstream release manager seems to be on vacation, but the plan was to push a snapshot to exåerimental and then 11.0rc to wily post-ff [14:12] err, s/å/p/ [14:12] this kbd is tiny [14:14] seb128, i see, unfortunately that 4.1.0-x.x is still 4.1.3 and missing some updates (4.1.5) too which includes quite some drm/i915 fixes [14:18] tjaalton, ok, going for 11.0rc seems interesting but better in conjunction with kernel 4.2 and skl [14:32] ricotz: it's more for amdgpu [14:52] tjaalton, right, I didnt want to mangle with drm with its new libdrm-amdgpu.so.1 [15:00] tjaalton: I'm on 10.5.9-2ubuntu1 [15:01] tjaalton: I see that 10.6.3-1ubuntu1 is in proposed, is it supposed to fix that top crash in xorg? [15:05] Laney, mvo, pitti, do you know if packagekit is supposed to work/was working in ubuntu to install archive debs? robert_ancell sent me an email saying that he tried to "pkcong install " and is getting issues and he's wondering if that ever worked/is supposed to work, or is known as "need work" [15:06] seb128: what kind of error does he get? [15:07] seb128: it used to work, but that was with the python apt backend [15:07] I've never tried the aptcc backend (this definitively broke some things like langpack integration) [15:07] seb128: debs or packages? [15:07] iirc there is code in PK that uses gdebi for the resolving of the debs [15:07] Seems 'pkcon install konsole' doesn't work for me [15:07] however with the apt in experimental there will be native .deb install support [15:08] I don't know very much about packagekit though I'm afraid [15:08] (which is in experimental *way* too long sadly) [15:08] mvo, he did say, but trying to e.g "pkcon install gconf-editor" doesn't work for me [15:08] it says the package is not available [15:09] on 15.04 I get: [15:09] seb128: com [15:09] mvo, Laney, pitti, thanks, I think I'm just going to tell him that pkcon is untested/not really supported at the moment [15:09] seb128: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12055998/ [15:10] hum [15:10] seb128: that's very true [15:12] didrocks: I don't know, doubt it.. try mainline kernels to see where it broke, or if 4.2 fixes it [15:12] mvo, the experimental version requires pkgkit 1 which drops support for plugins which is used by click though? [15:13] seb128: correct, we need lp:~mvo/click/native-dbus first, then we can drop the click plugin [15:13] seb128: for pk [15:13] mvo, is that likely to land for this cycle? [15:14] I think that's needed if we want to look at gnome software btw [15:14] so would be helpful [15:14] tjaalton: well, I'll try booting on older kernels first, but having it failing every couple of hours don't help being productive [15:15] didrocks: anything in dmesg= [15:15] ? [15:15] and what's failing [15:15] Laney, indeed, though that would need to move this cycle, I doubt we can start and be done with that transition in the lts cycle [15:15] what transition? [15:16] seb128: its almost ready, if someone can get it prioritized I think so, but for now its unfrotunately low on my priorities :/ [15:16] Laney, s-c -< gnome-software [15:16] dunno [15:16] if we want to switch [15:16] I don't like switching important component in the lts cycle [15:16] it gives little room for feedback and interations [15:17] mvo, we could also break click in wily [15:17] ogra_ wouldn't mind [15:17] tjaalton: nothing interesting in dmesg (or that seems to), the stacktrace seems to be the top Xorg crasher in whoopsie: //errors.ubuntu.com/problem/27941445d596fb71be692b9008c0847d2ce6c428 [15:17] +1 [15:17] as he said, it wouldn't be the first thing that stops working on ubuntu touch wily ;-) [15:17] make is snap already ! [15:17] *it [15:18] seb128, hmm, thouh we install some clicks at image build time, we'd have to rip that bit out temporary to still have images [15:19] didrocks: nvidia? [15:19] ogra_, yeah, I was rather jocking there though ;-) mvo has a click branch that should make it work without using packagekit's plugins [15:19] so we could just land that [15:20] well, not sure what that is worth, iven clicks wont be able to run anyway [15:20] *given [15:20] but yeah, fixes are always good :) [15:20] yeah [15:22] tjaalton: no, intel [15:23] so it crashes all of a sudden? [15:23] most of these seem to be from trusty though [15:23] tjaalton: yep, I'm getting a similar stacktrace on wily, and so then lightdm restarts [15:24] well, could perhaps update the snapshot [15:25] of intel ddx [15:25] tjaalton: tell me if you have anything that I could test [15:25] build git version of x-x-v-intel [15:25] or hang on [15:25] (I had no issue on the same machine on vivid, it really started when I updated to wily) [15:25] tjaalton, xorg-edgers ;) [15:26] ricotz: well ok, but need to be careful with that [15:26] tjaalton, Sarvatt pushed one yesterday [15:26] just download the deb and install it manually [15:26] right [15:26] didrocks: do that ^ :) [15:26] tjaalton: so adding the ppa and dist-upgrade or just some .debs to install? [15:26] just the one deb or you get everything else too [15:27] "the one" being? :) [15:27] https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+sourcepub/5291145/+listing-archive-extra [15:27] wily, right? [15:27] xserver-xorg-video-intel I guess [15:27] ricotz: yep, thanks! [15:28] seb128, back [15:28] done, let's see how it goes, I'll reboot after the meeting [15:28] or if I crash first :p [15:28] * willcooke rushes to get the roll call list [15:29] willcooke, just on time! [15:29] * desrt get a tingly feeling in the fingers [15:30] going to be a short list from me this week [15:30] could do it in one word :P [15:30] 'hols' [15:30] Laney: 3 letters + one number, right? [15:30] g++5 [15:30] #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2015-08-11 [15:30] Meeting started Tue Aug 11 15:30:40 2015 UTC. The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [15:30] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Breaking your systems: GTK 3.16 - file bugs with tag "gtk316" | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2015-08-11 | Current topic: [15:30] heh [15:30] Hello everyone! [15:30] Roll call: andyrock, attente, desrt, dgadomski, didrocks, fjkong (travel), happyaron (travel), hikiko, laney, larsu (hols), qengho (hols), seb128, sweet5hark (hols), themuso (out), tkamppeter, trevino (hols), robert_ancell (out) [15:30] hey [15:31] new people!! [15:31] yay! [15:31] hello :) [15:31] hey [15:31] hi hikiko :D [15:31] I'm sorry I have to go... :) [15:32] hi desrt ! [15:32] hikiko, do you want to go first? Have you got time? [15:32] yes :) [15:32] #topic hikiko === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Breaking your systems: GTK 3.16 - file bugs with tag "gtk316" | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2015-08-11 | Current topic: hikiko [15:32] hikiko, GO GO GO! [15:33] I worked on the ezoom plugin fixed the icons preprocessing (unity-launcher) to scale properly (modelview matrix modification) and did some progress with the bug no #1480863 but didn't fix it :) [15:33] eof [15:34] thanks hikiko [15:34] #topic andyrock === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Breaking your systems: GTK 3.16 - file bugs with tag "gtk316" | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2015-08-11 | Current topic: andyrock [15:34] goodbye everyone :) [15:34] hey [15:34] hikiko, bye [15:34] cya hikiko [15:34] basically i've been working on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1449654 last week [15:34] Ubuntu bug 1449654 in unity (Ubuntu) "windows can be resized from wrong workspace" [Medium,In progress] [15:34] there is already an approved MP [15:35] and this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1457276 [15:35] Ubuntu bug 1457276 in unity (Ubuntu) "Drop-down sound menu has no delay" [High,In progress] [15:35] it's almost done [15:35] i'm not going to use a delay but math to improve the situation [15:35] basically this: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/qXGkfaSw/triangle.png [15:35] good stuff, thanks andyrock. There will be some happy users to see those fixes in. [15:35] yeah atm it's pretty buggy [15:36] * Laney remembers a unity bug to file/search for [15:36] muhahah [15:36] :D [15:36] maybe i'll do a MP by the end of the day [15:36] andyrock, nice one ;-) [15:36] not sure what is going to be my next bug [15:37] we cannot make thing perfects but it should improve the current situation [15:37] to make things better we should introduce a delay [15:37] but we don't like delays [15:37] oki, we can discuss the specifics later on and we can look at other bugs too. [15:38] andyrock, anything else you want to report? [15:38] that's all for me [15:38] cool, thanks a lot! [15:38] np [15:38] #topic attente === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Breaking your systems: GTK 3.16 - file bugs with tag "gtk316" | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2015-08-11 | Current topic: attente [15:38] hey attente [15:38] andyrock, btw that's bug #552920 which has pointers and nice comments from mpt [15:38] bug 552920 in unity (Ubuntu) "Moving diagonally from narrow menu title often opens adjacent menu" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/552920 [15:38] getting up to speed with libertine, debugged some small issues [15:38] first stab at building a click package containing a libertine container [15:38] (eof) [15:39] andyrock, see https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=710388 as well [15:39] Gnome bug 710388 in Widget: GtkMenu "Menu navigation triangle doesn't work anymore" [Normal,New] [15:39] attente, what is libertine? [15:39] seb128: thanks! [15:40] andyrock, yw! [15:40] seb128: it's a project that should make it easier to create containers (lxc/chroot) for legacy x apps [15:41] k, interesting [15:41] seb128: https://github.com/ubuntu-libertine/libertine [15:41] thanks [15:41] thanks attente [15:41] #topic desrt === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Breaking your systems: GTK 3.16 - file bugs with tag "gtk316" | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2015-08-11 | Current topic: desrt [15:42] desrt, welcome back from hols! [15:42] thanks :D [15:42] basically spent the last day getting out from under my pile of emails [15:42] starting to dig into bugs next... [15:42] anything anyone needed while i was gone? [15:43] mclasen was after you [15:43] cool. i'll ping. [15:43] looks like BoFs are still on at guadec [15:44] thanks desrt [15:44] #topic dgadomski === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Breaking your systems: GTK 3.16 - file bugs with tag "gtk316" | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2015-08-11 | Current topic: dgadomski [15:44] Hey dgadomski - how's OEM looking? [15:44] actually I'm not OEM, I'm sustaining engineering inside cloud ops [15:44] :) [15:45] wait what [15:45] you lie [15:45] I never lie :) [15:45]