[03:01] <pitti> Good morning
[05:02] <tjaalton> sigh, again misser ancell?
[05:02] <tjaalton> missed
[05:07] <hikiko> hi
[05:23] <RAOF> tjaalton: He actually hasn't been in today at all.
[05:23] <RAOF> Well, except for an hour at 6am or something.
[05:23] <tjaalton> great
[06:15] <didrocks> good morning
[06:51] <pitti> hey didrocks
[06:51] <didrocks> hey hey pitti
[07:36] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[07:36] <didrocks> re seb128
[07:37] <seb128> re didrocks ;-)
[07:37]  * seb128 is trying bluez5 and is having issues
[07:38] <pitti> bonjour seb128 !
[07:38] <seb128> hey pitti, wie gehts?
[07:39] <pitti> hateC++hateboosthateC++hateboosthateC++
[07:39] <pitti> err, I mean -- quite fine, thanks!
[07:39] <seb128> haha
[07:39] <seb128> that transition is "fun" it seems
[07:39]  * seb128 watches -changes and heaps of packages being rebuilt every day
[07:40] <pitti> those are actually the easy part (although it's sheer madness); fixing all the FTBFS is the "fun"
[07:41] <seb128> I guess
[07:42] <seb128> is anything going to migrate by block? or is that a everything or nothing?
[07:42] <darkxst> seb128, what issues are you having with bluez5?
[07:43] <seb128> darkxst, the u-c-c work from larsu doesn't build, the g-c-c version in the ppa gives me a "no adaptor found" label and that's it
[07:43] <desrt> word up, desktop
[07:43] <seb128> but bluez5 works, since I can pair with bluetoothctl and the indicator shows correct status/change icon/list devices
[07:43] <seb128> hey desrt!
[07:44] <desrt> anyone planning on going on a trip for 19th
[07:44] <desrt> ?
[07:44] <didrocks> good morning desrt
[07:45] <seb128> desrt, you are speaking about debconf?
[07:45] <desrt> ya
[07:45] <desrt> seems the 19th is a day off and there are several pre-arranged trips
[07:45] <seb128> I'm not, I'm leaving on the 19th
[07:45] <seb128> but maybe Laney or didrocks are?
[07:46] <desrt> so you have your own pre-arranged trip, then :)
[07:46] <seb128> right ;-)
[07:46] <seb128> I'm in London the week after debconf
[07:46] <desrt> cool.  what's going on there?
[07:46] <seb128> and going direct from London to scottland for holidays
[07:46] <didrocks> I was just planning to work and spending some time visiting heidelberg
[07:47] <desrt> didrocks: mind if i tag along, then?  wouldn't mind spending the day with you
[07:47] <seb128> desrt, sprint about pocket pc
[07:47] <didrocks> desrt: with great pleasure :)
[07:47] <desrt> didrocks: it's a date :)
[07:47] <didrocks> heh
[07:47] <seb128> didrocks, desrt, get a room
[07:47] <desrt> hah
[07:47] <seb128> :-p
[07:47] <didrocks> ;)
[07:48] <darkxst> seb128, I will double check the g-c-c bit later on my laptop, but pretty sure it was working
[07:48] <seb128> darkxst, could be some bug or specific to my config...
[07:49] <darkxst> seb128, you running g-c-c in unity?
[07:49] <seb128> g-c-c.real
[07:49] <seb128> but yes
[07:49] <darkxst> seb128, yes, but I never tested that under unity
[07:49] <seb128> k
[07:50] <seb128> it should work no?
[07:50] <seb128> or did they do something similar to display where the panel talk dbus to g-s for some reason?
[07:50] <darkxst> seb128, if it talks to g-s-d things will break
[07:50] <darkxst> not entirely sure the bluetooth stuff does though
[07:56] <RAOF> desrt: Yo!
[07:56] <desrt> hey
[07:56] <RAOF> Hope you had a good holiday.
[07:56] <desrt> i did :)
[07:57] <desrt> got your email ... i'm sort of confused about what you want
[07:57] <desrt> (re: vulkan)
[07:58] <RAOF> Hah.
[07:59] <RAOF> I'm not entirely sure, either.
[07:59] <desrt> oh.  good.  glad i captured the meaning :)
[08:02] <Laney> hullo
[08:02] <didrocks> good good good good good morning Laney
[08:04] <pitti> hey Laney!
[08:04] <Laney> sup
[08:07] <seb128> hey Laney
[08:12] <Laney> hey seb128
[08:16] <willcooke> morning all
[08:16] <desrt> hello willcooke
[08:17] <willcooke> desrt, jet lag much?
[08:17] <desrt> nope
[08:17] <willcooke> still in EUR?
[08:18] <desrt> yup
[08:18] <desrt> going to debconf next week anyway so i figured i'd save myself the pain and stay with a friend for a week
[08:18] <desrt> works well... she works a typical 9-5, so during the day i get to do my usual thing: work from home...
[08:18] <willcooke> excellent!
[08:20] <didrocks> hey willcooke
[08:20] <willcooke> howdy didrocks
[08:21]  * desrt has a fuckya moment
[08:21] <desrt> i took an _awesome_ picture last week and i accidentally deleted it
[08:21] <desrt> but between those two occasions i copied all the pics/videos off of my phone in order to make space by deleting the vids (since i was running out)
[08:22] <desrt> so... yay :)
[08:22] <willcooke> \o/
[08:26] <seb128> hey willcooke
[08:29] <willcooke> morning seb128
[09:14] <darkxst> seb128, Trevinho, I now access to the CI train, i'll try and setup a landing for the compiz mp tomorrow?, bit tied up tonight, my bro is visting!
[09:15] <seb128> darkxst, Trevinho said bregma already had an ongoing/planned one, maybe coordinate with thel
[09:15] <seb128> them
[09:16] <seb128> is that the only thing blocking that update?
[09:16] <darkxst> seb128, still waiting on jdstrand to approve the source only maining
[09:16] <seb128> right
[09:16] <seb128> so no hurry for the compiz one
[09:16] <darkxst> but just thought that would be a good one to learn the CI train
[09:17] <seb128> right, but if there is already one in the ci you are going to create trouble/conflicts
[09:17] <seb128> so please check with bregma/trevinho first
[09:18] <darkxst> seb128, if they are landing one, I'm obviously not going to also!
[09:18] <seb128> right, well it's even if they have things planned to land
[09:18] <seb128> better to do one landing rather than 2
[09:19] <seb128> or you need to do the full testplan twice
[09:19] <willcooke> darkxst, seb128 - Trevinho is off today, but I know that bregma does indeed have plans in progress to land
[09:19] <seb128> willcooke, k
[09:20] <seb128> willcooke, is Trevinho trying to avoid our team meeting? ;-)
[09:20] <willcooke> seb128, I know right!?
[09:20] <darkxst> willcooke, sure, I won't start anything then
[11:01] <seb128> Laney, what is displaying the gpg password ui now in wily?
[11:09] <Laney> pinentry-gnome3 from gnupg2
[11:12] <Laney> oh no, pinentry not gnupg2
[11:17] <seb128> Laney, thanks
[11:17] <seb128> (t's having some translations issues)
[11:19] <Laney> it also FTBFS!
[11:20] <Laney> I think the messages are sent by gpg itself btw
[11:49]  * didrocks keeps having Xorg crash on wily
[11:50] <ogra_> use Mir
[11:50] <didrocks> willcooke: I guess Robert is looking regularly at crash reports on whoopsie, right?
[11:50] <didrocks> ogra_: sure, give me an unity7 Mir desktop :p
[11:50] <didrocks> as you are using I guess?
[11:50] <ogra_> nah, i dont use wily on any important devices :)
[11:51] <seb128> didrocks, is that https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/27941445d596fb71be692b9008c0847d2ce6c428 ?
[11:51] <ogra_> doko is gone wild ...
[11:51] <didrocks> seb128: one sec, looking
[11:52] <didrocks> seb128: doesn't seem so
[11:53] <didrocks> I would love though if whoopsie was able to give me a link of the stack I reported
[11:54] <seb128> didrocks, you have the list in system settings -> security & privacy
[11:54] <seb128> or the link at least
[11:54] <didrocks> seb128: in the diagnostics?
[11:54] <didrocks> oh, right
[11:55] <seb128> yes
[11:55] <didrocks> didn't know that one, great :)
[11:55] <seb128> the web ui is not great
[11:55]  * didrocks has lost track since this switch to whoopsie
[11:55] <seb128> it's like a dump of uids
[11:55] <didrocks> well, it's not list anyway…
[11:55] <seb128> but at least it's there
[11:55] <didrocks> maybe I have to wait enough for it being retraced first
[11:56] <seb128> could be, at least for it to match a set/report
[11:56] <seb128> https://errors.ubuntu.com/?release=Ubuntu%2015.10&package=xorg-server&period=week
[11:56] <seb128> you are on intel?
[11:57] <didrocks> yep
[11:57] <didrocks> hum, .upload and .uploaded
[11:57] <seb128> the 1st one is the one that doesn't seem to be your
[11:57] <seb128> 2/3 are similar and the reported bug is against nvidia
[11:58] <seb128> everything else is low/old
[11:58] <seb128> so it's likely your issue is specific and that Robert isn't working on it
[11:58] <seb128> no issue here, just as another piece of info
[11:58] <seb128> when did your issues start?
[11:58] <didrocks> when I started to upgrade to wily
[11:58] <seb128> do you use mir as a system compositor from old times?
[11:59] <didrocks> (yesterday)
[11:59] <didrocks> no I removed it a long time ago
[11:59] <seb128> k, dunno then
[11:59] <seb128> did you get a backtrace?
[11:59] <didrocks> I'm trying to unpack it
[11:59] <didrocks> ValueError: ['UserGroups', 'xserver.errors', '.tmp.unity.support.test.0', 'ProcEnviron'] has no binary content
[12:02] <didrocks> and coreDump seems corruped, sigh
[12:03] <didrocks> ahah, I have an OsAbort call
[12:03] <didrocks> in one of the thread
[12:03] <didrocks> little bit different up stacktrace
[12:04] <didrocks> but it could be the same issue than the top crasher
[12:05] <didrocks> so, if Robert is looking at those top crashers, let's wait for this
[12:05] <seb128> right
[12:06] <seb128> unsure if he's looking at those though
[12:06] <seb128> willcooke, did robert_ancell step up as xorg maintainer? or is the doing xmir and just helping to get the xorg stack updated on the way?
[12:08] <seb128> didrocks, btw, I got the u-c-c work from larsu working, there were some packaging tweaks to do and it's not ideal (like it installs a shared lib that should rather be static or private) but it seems to work ;-)
[12:08] <seb128> btw the transitions ppa should be testable for unity users
[12:08] <seb128> if some others want to opt in
[12:09] <seb128> I'm going to email u-d@ today
[12:09] <didrocks> seb128: ah nice! I will see in my bluetooth situation is a little bit better with the whole stack! :)
[12:09] <seb128> thanks!
[12:10] <seb128> if it's not at least if we work on issue that's not on outdated components
[12:10] <didrocks> right!
[13:11]  * didrocks goes for a run
[13:11] <pitti> didrocks: bon cours !
[13:11] <pitti> ... "bonne course", non?
[13:11] <didrocks> pitti: merci, j'essaie de faire une bonne course :)
[13:12] <didrocks> pitti: oui, la deuxième !
[13:12] <seb128> didrocks, évite le soleil !
[13:12] <pitti> didrocks: je suis allé courier encore dans le matin
[13:12] <didrocks> seb128: vu le ciel, ça va être difficile :p
[13:12] <didrocks> pitti: tu as raison de partir courir le matin
[13:12] <didrocks> je suis juste pas assez motivé ;)
[13:13] <pitti> oui, trop chaud après midi
[13:13] <seb128> didrocks, pitti se lève à 5h aussi, donc l'après-midi pour lui c'est à 10h :p
[13:13] <didrocks> seb128: pas faux !
[13:13] <pitti> héhé
[13:13] <pitti> oui, je ne peux plus dormir :(
[13:14] <didrocks> :/
[13:14] <pitti> je ne "pouvais" plus ... ?
[13:15]  * pitti doit apprendre les verbs auxiliares
[13:15] <didrocks> oui :)
[13:15] <didrocks> "pouvais"
[13:15] <didrocks> ok, j'y vais vraiment, pour ne pas être en retard au meeting
[13:16] <pitti> o/
[13:17] <willcooke> seb128, argh, sorry totally missed the mention.  the second one.  tjaalton has kindly taken on maint of X org assistance provided by Robert if required
[13:19] <seb128> didrocks, ^
[13:19] <seb128> willcooke, no worry, thanks
[13:20] <seb128> tjaalton, hey, is there a know issue with xserver/intel? didrocks mentioned things are not stable for him since he upgraded to wily
[14:03] <pitti> WFM
[14:03] <seb128> pitti, xserver/intel?
[14:03] <pitti> seb128: yes
[14:03] <seb128> yeah, wfm as well on my 2 machines
[14:03] <pitti> haven't had a crash in ages
[14:04] <seb128> yeah, I don't remember last time I had xserver closing on me
[14:04] <seb128> but not this cycle for pretty sure
[14:05] <tjaalton> seb128: most likely due to the kernel
[14:05] <seb128> could be, I guess the xorg/intel stack didn't change much
[14:05] <tjaalton> userspace hasn't changed much
[14:05] <seb128> tjaalton, is there an known issue you can think about?
[14:06] <tjaalton> depends on the generation
[14:06] <tjaalton> but not offhand
[14:06] <seb128> k
[14:07] <seb128> tjaalton, thanks
[14:08] <ricotz> seb128, 4.2.0-3.3 seems problematic in that regard (while using a blob), but I guess you are on 4.1.0-x.x
[14:09] <tjaalton> oh, mesa got updated today, but it should be stable and has been in sid for a few weeks
[14:09] <seb128> tjaalton, didrocks had the issue before today he said iirc
[14:09] <seb128> ricotz, yeah, wily is 4.1
[14:09] <ricotz> tjaalton, oh 10.6.x?
[14:10] <tjaalton> yep
[14:10] <ricotz> :)
[14:11] <ricotz> i assume 10.6.4 will there soon
[14:11] <tjaalton> upstream release manager seems to be on vacation, but the plan was to push a snapshot to exåerimental and then 11.0rc to wily post-ff
[14:12] <tjaalton> err, s/å/p/
[14:12] <tjaalton> this kbd is tiny
[14:14] <ricotz> seb128, i see, unfortunately that 4.1.0-x.x is still 4.1.3 and missing some updates (4.1.5) too which includes quite some drm/i915 fixes
[14:18] <ricotz> tjaalton, ok, going for 11.0rc seems interesting but better in conjunction with kernel 4.2 and skl
[14:32] <tjaalton> ricotz: it's more for amdgpu
[14:52] <ricotz> tjaalton, right, I didnt want to mangle with drm with its new libdrm-amdgpu.so.1
[15:00] <didrocks> tjaalton: I'm on 10.5.9-2ubuntu1
[15:01] <didrocks> tjaalton: I see that 10.6.3-1ubuntu1 is in proposed, is it supposed to fix that top crash in xorg?
[15:05] <seb128> Laney, mvo, pitti, do you know if packagekit is supposed to work/was working in ubuntu to install archive debs? robert_ancell sent me an email saying that he tried to "pkcong install <things>" and is getting issues and he's wondering if that ever worked/is supposed to work, or is known as "need work"
[15:06] <mvo> seb128: what kind of error does he get?
[15:07] <pitti> seb128: it used to work, but that was with the python apt backend
[15:07] <pitti> I've never tried the aptcc backend (this definitively broke some things like langpack integration)
[15:07] <mvo> seb128: debs or packages?
[15:07] <mvo> iirc there is code in PK that uses gdebi for the resolving of the debs
[15:07] <Laney> Seems 'pkcon install konsole' doesn't work for me
[15:07] <mvo> however with the apt in experimental there will be native .deb install support
[15:08] <Laney> I don't know very much about packagekit though I'm afraid
[15:08] <mvo> (which is in experimental *way* too long sadly)
[15:08] <seb128> mvo, he did say, but trying to e.g "pkcon install gconf-editor" doesn't work for me
[15:08] <seb128> it says the package is not available
[15:09] <mvo> on 15.04 I get:
[15:09] <mvo> seb128: com
[15:09] <seb128> mvo, Laney, pitti, thanks, I think I'm just going to tell him that pkcon is untested/not really supported at the moment
[15:09] <mvo> seb128: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12055998/
[15:10] <seb128> hum
[15:10] <pitti> seb128: that's very true
[15:12] <tjaalton> didrocks: I don't know, doubt it.. try mainline kernels to see where it broke, or if 4.2 fixes it
[15:12] <seb128> mvo, the experimental version requires pkgkit 1 which drops support for plugins which is used by click though?
[15:13] <mvo> seb128: correct, we need  lp:~mvo/click/native-dbus  first, then we can drop the click plugin
[15:13] <mvo> seb128: for pk
[15:13] <seb128> mvo, is that likely to land for this cycle?
[15:14] <Laney> I think that's needed if we want to look at gnome software btw
[15:14] <Laney> so would be helpful
[15:14] <didrocks> tjaalton: well, I'll try booting on older kernels first, but having it failing every couple of hours don't help being productive
[15:15] <tjaalton> didrocks: anything in dmesg=
[15:15] <tjaalton> ?
[15:15] <tjaalton> and what's failing
[15:15] <seb128> Laney, indeed, though that would need to move this cycle, I doubt we can start and be done with that transition in the lts cycle
[15:15] <Laney> what transition?
[15:16] <mvo> seb128: its almost ready, if someone can get it prioritized I think so, but for now its unfrotunately low on my priorities :/
[15:16] <seb128> Laney,  s-c -< gnome-software
[15:16] <Laney> dunno
[15:16] <seb128> if we want to switch
[15:16] <seb128> I don't like switching important component in the lts cycle
[15:16] <seb128> it gives little room for feedback and interations
[15:17] <seb128> mvo, we could also break click in wily
[15:17] <seb128> ogra_ wouldn't mind
[15:17] <didrocks> tjaalton: nothing interesting in dmesg (or that seems to), the stacktrace seems to be the top Xorg crasher in whoopsie: //errors.ubuntu.com/problem/27941445d596fb71be692b9008c0847d2ce6c428
[15:17] <ogra_> +1
[15:17] <seb128> as he said, it wouldn't be the first thing that stops working on ubuntu touch wily ;-)
[15:17] <ogra_> make is snap already !
[15:17] <ogra_> *it
[15:18] <ogra_> seb128, hmm, thouh we install some clicks at image build time, we'd have to rip that bit out temporary to still have images
[15:19] <tjaalton> didrocks: nvidia?
[15:19] <seb128> ogra_, yeah, I was rather jocking there though ;-) mvo has a click branch that should make it work without using packagekit's plugins
[15:19] <seb128> so we could just land that
[15:20] <ogra_> well, not sure what that is worth, iven clicks wont be able to run anyway
[15:20] <ogra_> *given
[15:20] <ogra_> but yeah, fixes are always good :)
[15:20] <seb128> yeah
[15:22] <didrocks> tjaalton: no, intel
[15:23] <tjaalton> so it crashes all of a sudden?
[15:23] <tjaalton> most of these seem to be from trusty though
[15:23] <didrocks> tjaalton: yep, I'm getting a similar stacktrace on wily, and so then lightdm restarts
[15:24] <tjaalton> well, could perhaps update the snapshot
[15:25] <tjaalton> of intel ddx
[15:25] <didrocks> tjaalton: tell me if you have anything that I could test
[15:25] <tjaalton> build git version of x-x-v-intel
[15:25] <tjaalton> or hang on
[15:25] <didrocks> (I had no issue on the same machine on vivid, it really started when I updated to wily)
[15:25] <ricotz> tjaalton, xorg-edgers ;)
[15:26] <tjaalton> ricotz: well ok, but need to be careful with that
[15:26] <ricotz> tjaalton, Sarvatt pushed one yesterday
[15:26] <ricotz> just download the deb and install it manually
[15:26] <tjaalton> right
[15:26] <tjaalton> didrocks: do that ^ :)
[15:26] <didrocks> tjaalton: so adding the ppa and dist-upgrade or just some .debs to install?
[15:26] <tjaalton> just the one deb or you get everything else too
[15:27] <didrocks> "the one" being? :)
[15:27] <ricotz> https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+sourcepub/5291145/+listing-archive-extra
[15:27] <ricotz> wily, right?
[15:27] <didrocks> xserver-xorg-video-intel  I guess
[15:27] <didrocks> ricotz: yep, thanks!
[15:28] <willcooke> seb128, back
[15:28] <didrocks> done, let's see how it goes, I'll reboot after the meeting
[15:28] <didrocks> or if I crash first :p
[15:28]  * willcooke rushes to get the roll call list
[15:29] <seb128> willcooke, just on time!
[15:29]  * desrt get a tingly feeling in the fingers
[15:30] <Laney> going to be a short list from me this week
[15:30] <Laney> could do it in one word :P
[15:30] <desrt> 'hols'
[15:30] <didrocks> Laney: 3 letters + one number, right?
[15:30] <Laney> g++5
[15:30] <willcooke> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2015-08-11
[15:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Aug 11 15:30:40 2015 UTC.  The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:30] <desrt> heh
[15:30] <willcooke> Hello everyone!
[15:30] <willcooke> Roll call: andyrock, attente, desrt,  dgadomski, didrocks, fjkong (travel), happyaron (travel), hikiko, laney, larsu (hols), qengho (hols), seb128, sweet5hark (hols), themuso (out), tkamppeter, trevino (hols), robert_ancell (out)
[15:30] <andyrock> hey
[15:31] <desrt> new people!!
[15:31] <willcooke> yay!
[15:31] <hikiko> hello :)
[15:31] <dgadomski> hey
[15:31] <desrt> hi hikiko :D
[15:31] <hikiko> I'm sorry I have to go... :)
[15:32] <hikiko> hi desrt !
[15:32] <willcooke> hikiko, do you want to go first?  Have you got time?
[15:32] <hikiko> yes :)
[15:32] <willcooke> #topic hikiko
[15:32] <willcooke> hikiko, GO GO GO!
[15:33] <hikiko> I worked on the ezoom plugin fixed the icons preprocessing (unity-launcher) to scale properly (modelview matrix modification) and did some progress with the bug no #1480863 but didn't fix it :)
[15:33] <hikiko> eof
[15:34] <willcooke> thanks hikiko
[15:34] <willcooke> #topic andyrock
[15:34] <hikiko> goodbye everyone :)
[15:34] <andyrock> hey
[15:34] <seb128> hikiko, bye
[15:34] <willcooke> cya hikiko
[15:34] <andyrock> basically i've been working on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1449654 last week
[15:34] <andyrock> there is already an approved MP
[15:35] <andyrock> and this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1457276
[15:35] <andyrock> it's almost done
[15:35] <andyrock> i'm not going to use a delay but math to improve the situation
[15:35] <andyrock> basically this: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/qXGkfaSw/triangle.png
[15:35] <willcooke> good stuff, thanks andyrock.  There will be some happy users to see those fixes in.
[15:35] <andyrock> yeah atm it's pretty buggy
[15:36]  * Laney remembers a unity bug to file/search for
[15:36] <Laney> muhahah
[15:36] <willcooke> :D
[15:36] <andyrock> maybe i'll do a MP by the end of the day
[15:36] <seb128> andyrock, nice one ;-)
[15:36] <andyrock> not sure what is going to be my next bug
[15:37] <andyrock> we cannot make thing perfects but it should improve the current situation
[15:37] <andyrock> to make things better we should introduce a delay
[15:37] <andyrock> but we don't like delays
[15:37] <willcooke> oki, we can discuss the specifics later on and we can look at other bugs too.
[15:38] <willcooke> andyrock, anything else you want to report?
[15:38] <andyrock> that's all for me
[15:38] <willcooke> cool, thanks a lot!
[15:38] <andyrock> np
[15:38] <willcooke> #topic attente
[15:38] <willcooke> hey attente
[15:38] <seb128> andyrock, btw that's bug #552920 which has pointers and nice comments from mpt
[15:38] <attente> getting up to speed with libertine, debugged some small issues
[15:38] <attente> first stab at building a click package containing a libertine container
[15:38] <attente> (eof)
[15:39] <seb128> andyrock, see https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=710388 as well
[15:39] <seb128> attente, what is libertine?
[15:39] <andyrock> seb128: thanks!
[15:40] <seb128> andyrock, yw!
[15:40] <attente> seb128: it's a project that should make it easier to create containers (lxc/chroot) for legacy x apps
[15:41] <seb128> k, interesting
[15:41] <attente> seb128: https://github.com/ubuntu-libertine/libertine
[15:41] <seb128> thanks
[15:41] <willcooke> thanks attente
[15:41] <willcooke> #topic desrt
[15:42] <willcooke> desrt, welcome back from hols!
[15:42] <desrt> thanks :D
[15:42] <desrt> basically spent the last day getting out from under my pile of emails
[15:42] <desrt> starting to dig into bugs next...
[15:42] <desrt> anything anyone needed while i was gone?
[15:43] <Laney> mclasen was after you
[15:43] <desrt> cool.  i'll ping.
[15:43] <desrt> looks like BoFs are still on at guadec
[15:44] <willcooke> thanks desrt
[15:44] <willcooke> #topic dgadomski
[15:44] <willcooke> Hey dgadomski - how's OEM looking?
[15:44] <dgadomski> actually I'm not OEM, I'm sustaining engineering inside cloud ops
[15:44] <dgadomski> :)
[15:45] <willcooke> wait what
[15:45] <willcooke> you lie
[15:45] <dgadomski> I never lie :)
[15:45] <willcooke> I need to stop huffing glue
[15:45] <willcooke> sorry dgadomski
[15:45] <dgadomski> no worries
[15:46] <dgadomski> * prepared a debdiff to fix bug #1464645 for trusty
[15:46] <dgadomski> * still working towards fixing bug #1124250
[15:46] <dgadomski> EOF
[15:46] <willcooke> That SMB bug will be a nice fix to see
[15:46] <willcooke> thanks dgadomski
[15:46] <dgadomski> thanks
[15:46] <willcooke> #topic didrocks
[15:46] <didrocks>  /!\ long report (to compensate the incoming 4 characters one from Laney)
[15:47] <didrocks> * Ubuntu Make:
[15:47] <didrocks> - reviewed and merged scala support by ivuk. Will be in next release.
[15:47] <didrocks> - reviewed and merged some fixes for progress bar out of range exception from a new contributor, asked to add some tests for it.
[15:47] <didrocks> - multiple reviews and comments on eclipse mars + other eclipse derivatives support as well as some tests refactoring by the same new contributor. Still in progress.
[15:47] <didrocks> * Ubuntu developer program:
[15:47] <didrocks> Continue developping the example app. This week was:
[15:47] <didrocks> - add i18n support and encountered issues with our default qmake template with i18n
[15:47] <didrocks> - found a singleton best practice and implement global app settings this way (as well as settings page with some expand item toolkit issues)
[15:47] <didrocks> - add a DateTime picker handling both Date and Time (not supported upstream) and provide best practice/workaround u1db issues on dates.
[15:47] <didrocks> - add comments and binary attachement through using the contenthub and provides/creates best practices around it (and on testing on desktop) for importing and handling images (to finish). Provide some more workaround for model and u1db issues.
[15:47] <didrocks> - some small global polishing (error handling, no results, first opening, rewording) and refactoring to avoid duplicating properties
[15:47] <didrocks> - opened more than 20 toolkit-related bugs due to various issues encountered above (and which I had to workaround) + discuss with upstream on each of those. Let's hope they got them fix soon! At least, we have documented workarounds and best practices now :)
[15:47] <didrocks> * Misc:
[15:47] <didrocks> - advice to some of our upstream team on how to keep one branch with different package names (soname changes) due to gcc5 transition
[15:47] <didrocks> .
[15:48] <willcooke> merci didrocks
[15:48] <willcooke> #topic Laney
[15:48] <didrocks> de rien :)
[15:48] <tjaalton> didrocks: no need to reboot, next crash or logout is enough :)
[15:48] <Laney> I added some more characters
[15:48] <Laney> but you can really just read g++5 if you want
[15:48] <willcooke> :D
[15:48] <Laney> • short week: hols Thursday and Friday
[15:48] <Laney> • g++5 hell - what did we do to deserve this?
[15:48] <Laney> ∘ many package renames
[15:48] <Laney> ∘ many no-change rebuilds
[15:48] <Laney> ∘ such breakage, build fixes, NMUs and stuff
[15:48] <Laney> ∘ wow
[15:48] <Laney> • Some transition tracker maintenance to avoid false negatives
[15:48] <Laney> • Next: moar g++5, dbus 1.10 (rc), e-d-s 3.16.5, debconf
[15:48] <Laney> • Anyone know how to fix https://plus.google.com/+IainLane/posts/asJo19AJShN so I can expand my unicode repertoire?
[15:48] <Laney> ⚜
[15:49] <willcooke> thank you Laney, your diligence in the fight with GCC5 is very much appreciated
[15:49] <willcooke> Laney, oh - and....
[15:49] <willcooke> Fonts
[15:49] <willcooke> :(
[15:49] <Laney> Ph0ntz
[15:49] <willcooke> word
[15:49] <willcooke> but another day
[15:49] <willcooke> #topic seb128
[15:49] <seb128> • spent over a day fighting with phone images/os-es to restore a formatted imei :-(
[15:49] <seb128> • landed u-c-c wily update (sound panel fix + logo update)
[15:49] <seb128> • worked a bit on the gcc5 transition
[15:49] <seb128> • refreshed the bluez5 transition packages, fought a bit with u-c-c to get it working, the ppa should be mostly working, extra testers&feedback would be welcome
[15:49] <seb128> • reviewed/tested/sponsored some bluez4 fixes for touch (and wily)
[15:49] <seb128> • bugs triage (desktop & touch)
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[15:50] <willcooke> merci seb128
[15:50] <seb128> de rien !
[15:50] <willcooke> #topic TheMuso
[15:50] <willcooke> * Continued planning for new accessibility profile implementatino for 16.04, hoping to allow support for all GTK/GNOME based flavours.
[15:50] <willcooke> * COntinued work on Speech Dispatcher, mostly upstream.
[15:50] <willcooke> #topic robert_ancell
[15:50] <willcooke> - Released lightdm 1.15.1, 1.15.2
[15:50] <willcooke> - XMir bug investigation
[15:50] <willcooke> - Added detection of scanners without drivers to Simple Scan.
[15:50] <willcooke> - Fixed XCB -dev package names
[15:50] <willcooke> - Update depends in packages to stop using transitional package names
[15:51] <willcooke> ooops, missed out...
[15:51] <willcooke> #topic Trevinho
[15:51] <willcooke> * Some vacation time :) -> Spent some time on the pile of backlog
[15:51] <willcooke> * Started refactoring unity switcher model to be dynamic (content should
[15:51] <willcooke> update when switcher showing)
[15:51] <willcooke> * Implementing Alt+Tab+$key_next_to_tab to close active app/win in
[15:51] <willcooke> switcher (bug #1468820)
[15:51] <willcooke> * Some experiments for implementing GNOME-like overlay scrollbars in
[15:51] <willcooke> unity dash
[15:51] <willcooke> * Got flights and prepared documents to go to China
[15:51] <willcooke> * Reviewed some unity branches
[15:51] <willcooke> * Got CI-Train keys and studied the landing process
[15:51] <willcooke> #topic Any Other Business
[15:52] <Laney> a China trip that I don't get to go on? :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(:( :( :( :(:(:(:(:(:(
[15:52] <willcooke> Yeah, hikiko and Trevinho get to visit this time
[15:52] <seb128> Laney was looking forward chinese spies try to hack his laptop again
[15:52] <Laney> yeah I got a new one since then
[15:52] <willcooke> They've already done that
[15:52] <Laney> although, guess where it shipped from
[15:52] <Laney> ...
[15:52] <andyrock> ahaahahah
[15:52] <willcooke> XD
[15:53] <willcooke> I've suggested that they visit The Great Wall, same place we went
[15:53]  * didrocks wants a Japan trip
[15:53] <Laney> is it the same kind of thing?
[15:53] <willcooke> +1 for Japan
[15:53] <willcooke> Laney, yeah, same deal
[15:53] <Laney> mmm
[15:53] <willcooke> We have an SRU request from OEM, need to speak to ara about it some more tomorrow
[15:54] <willcooke> A few interesting threads on the -desktop mailing list right now, worth checking if you haven;t already
[15:54]  * willcooke is planning to reply to them all, but just in a holding pattern 
[15:55] <willcooke> oh, Laney there is *another* font release coming.  \o/
[15:55] <Laney> um
[15:55] <willcooke> Design have asked dpm to find some help for testing, so maybe we can pass the release work over too
[15:55] <Laney> what for?
[15:55] <willcooke> Laney,  a new thin version
[15:56] <Laney> does that mean we should skip this one?
[15:56] <willcooke> I see the email subject, haven't opened it yet.  Plausible deniability
[15:56]  * dpm confirms Design got in touch and we're looking at how we can help
[15:56] <Laney> good strategy
[15:56] <didrocks> ahah, "managers read emails" -> subject :)
[15:56] <willcooke> could do, since there is not real point in making two releases
[15:56] <Laney> that would make me happy
[15:56] <willcooke> didrocks, I haven't got time to *read* the things.  I've got slides to work on
[15:57] <willcooke> #notjoking
[15:57] <didrocks> willcooke: and spreadsheets to file in!
[15:57] <Laney> (tequila to drink)
[15:57] <didrocks> :)
[15:57] <willcooke> Laney, I'll get up to speed and fill you in later
[15:57] <Laney> no... rush...
[15:57] <willcooke> :)
[15:58] <willcooke> oh, also... I asked Trevinho to look at making the dash OSB look like the new Gnome ones - should be doable.
[15:58] <seb128> tequila filling for Laney?!
[15:58] <Laney> he said that in his status
[15:58] <seb128> Laney, that's better than a China trip ;-)
[15:58] <Laney> seb128: heidelberg tequila party
[15:58] <willcooke> ah, yeah it's that reading emails thing
[15:58] <seb128> \o/
[15:59]  * Laney needs to get some C&W
[15:59] <Laney> can't turn up to debconf empty handed
[15:59] <willcooke> ah yes - have fun at the weekend folks
[15:59] <willcooke> any more topics?
[15:59] <seb128> not from me
[16:00] <willcooke> in 5.....
[16:00] <Laney> nein
[16:00] <willcooke> ..4..
[16:00] <didrocks> keine topic :)
[16:00] <seb128> I already mentioned it in my weekly summary, but bluez5 should be ready in the ppa and testing would be welcome
[16:00] <seb128> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/ubuntu/transitions/
[16:00] <seb128> I emailed devel/phone lists about it as well
[16:00] <willcooke> awesome, thanks seb128
[16:00] <seb128> yw!
[16:00] <willcooke> 3,2,1, #endmeeting
[16:01] <seb128> thanks!
[16:01] <willcooke> #endmeeting
[16:01] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Aug 11 16:01:02 2015 UTC.
[16:01] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2015/ubuntu-desktop.2015-08-11-15.30.moin.txt
[16:01] <willcooke> thank you everyone
[16:01] <Laney> xnox: you coming debconf?
[16:01] <andyrock> thanks!
[16:01] <didrocks> thanks!
[16:01] <Laney> we could do something about gnupg2
[16:01] <andyrock> seb128: btw we are not using gtk for the indicators
[16:02] <andyrock> we actually draw them using nux
[16:02] <andyrock> just the dropdown menus are handled by gtk
[16:02] <seb128> andyrock, k, well technically the same triangle solution applies
[16:02]  * didrocks remembers the space handling """fun""" for indicators in nux
[16:02] <andyrock> but I can have a look at gtk code to try to fix it too
[16:02] <andyrock> seems like the code is already there, it's just broken
[16:03] <seb128> right
[16:03] <seb128> that would be nice ;-)
[16:03] <xnox> Laney: i don't think so.
[16:04]  * Laney weeps
[16:05] <didrocks> no China, no xnox, bad week for Laney
[16:05]  * didrocks hugs Laney
[16:05] <Laney> it's not going to be the same
[16:05] <Laney> yeah :(
[16:05] <didrocks> don't worry, I'm sure we'll go to Japan, it all depends on willcooke :)
[16:05]  * Laney hugs didrocks 
[16:05] <didrocks> (no pressure)
[16:05] <Laney> at least I've got you
[16:05] <didrocks> \o/
[16:05] <seb128> :-)
[16:09] <didrocks> attente: the libertine github project should join the ubuntu group btw, I can get it added if you want
[16:09] <Laney> surely it should come back to LP now we have git
[16:10] <attente> didrocks: best to ask bregma about that since he started it
[16:10] <didrocks> bregma: ^
[16:14] <xnox> Laney: you can always join the big blue ;-)
[16:14] <Laney> sounds like becoming a surfer
[16:14] <Laney> I could be down with that
[16:19] <bregma> we put libertine up on github because the git support in Launchpad was broken at the time
[16:20] <bregma> we need to move it into bazaar eventually so it will work with the ci-train when the time comes
[16:20] <didrocks> bregma: ok, if you have long term plan to keep in github, we can move the project easily under the ubuntu namespace
[16:21] <didrocks> (that doesn't change anything for you, it's just that it's centrally managed)
[16:21] <bregma> didrocks, our long-term plans weren't to use github but it wouldn;t hurt to move it under ubuntu no matter what
[16:23] <didrocks> bregma: ok, I'll have a look tommorrow and keep you posted (I did the same for Ubuntu Make a year ago)
[16:23] <bregma> cool
[16:23] <didrocks> see you tomorrow guys!
[16:24] <bregma> also, because people keep asking, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/static/dashboard.html#?q=compiz has been in -proposed for a while and will block other Unity 7 stack landings until the GCC-5 thing passes
[16:25] <bregma> final Unity 7 landing before the 7.3.3 release is https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/?req=138
[16:26] <bregma> then I'm done
[16:32] <seb128> bregma, I don't understand that statement
[16:32] <seb128> bregma, you could keep doing landing in proposed even if the previous one didn't migrate
[16:33] <seb128> you can merge&clean without having it migrate, there is a jenkins box to check for that
[16:33] <seb128> you can also refresh you silo and do another landing without the m&c
[16:33] <bregma> I get spanked when I do that
[16:33] <seb128> by who?
[16:33] <seb128> I keep doing it...
[16:34] <seb128> and no, it's not because I like spanking ;-)
[17:09] <Laney> laters!
[17:09] <seb128> Laney, have a good evening!
[17:10] <Laney> you too!
[23:05] <jcastro> mamarley: welcome!
[23:05] <mamarley> Hi :)