[14:48] <shankey> i need 2 ask question
[14:48] <dholbach> hey hey
[14:49] <dholbach> cool, we'll start in about 10 minutes :)
[14:49] <shankey> ok ill wait
[14:49] <dholbach> feel free to ask questions already, just make sure you prefix them with QUESTION:
[14:49] <dholbach> so we can more easily pick them up and distinguish them from the general chat later on :)
[14:51] <shankey> Actually i am eager for ubuntu phone..and i really love the efforts of developers they are the real hero...all i want is ubuntu phone should arrive in india
[14:51] <svij> shankey: it'll be ready in two weeks in india
[14:52] <dholbach> I'll make sure to mention this conversation in a bit :)
[14:52] <vitimiti> I can't wait for convergencce, I'm kind of hyped
[14:52] <dholbach> :-D
[14:53] <shankey> what!!!..... :) : ) Oh man!! amazing thankyou...As soon as ubuntu phone in my hands i will throw d android out of window
[14:54] <shankey> Canonical is making good progress...
[14:55] <svij> shankey: https://plus.google.com/+RosaGuill%C3%A9n/posts/eXxpdFNUQzy
[14:57] <shankey> woooh!!!...i cant wait anymore...i will try 2 look online stores...
[14:57] <svij> I think heres somebody really excited ;)
[14:58] <shankey> and i am the one
[14:58] <dholbach> hey hey hey :)
[14:59] <dragonbite> [Question] One Ubuntu Phone is supposed to be getting shipped worldwide (including the USA?) but has limited bandwidth to choose from. How is this going to play out in USA with the effective duopoly of carriers (AT&T and Verizon)?
[15:00] <balloons> hey hye everyone!
[15:01] <dragonbite> *waves*
[15:01] <balloons> I see you!
[15:01] <davidcalle> o/
[15:02] <balloons> join the club guys! I <3 summer
[15:02] <dragonbite> [QUESTION] Is the Ubuntu phone still no track for a full convergence one that will hook up into the keyboard, video and mouse (KVM)?
[15:02] <shankey> and what about Meizu mx4...will it launch in india??
[15:02] <aquarius> is hot in Birmingham too!
[15:03] <aquarius> QUESTION: if I buy David an ice cream will I get the content hub documentation sooner? :-)
[15:03] <redjouir> snappy ubuntu hype!
[15:04] <shankey> will meizu mx4 launch in india??
[15:04] <vitimiti> shankey, try starting your questions with "QUESTION"
[15:04] <shankey> "and what about Meizu mx4...will it launch in india?"
[15:05] <vitimiti> No, I mean with the word
[15:05] <vitimiti> I have a question, I'll show you
[15:05] <shankey> "QUESTION"
[15:05] <vitimiti> QUESTION: when is Ubuntu "personal" expected to come out?
[15:06] <balloons> aquarius, i think davidcalle would rather have a cookie :-)
[15:06] <ubuntu_user> QUESTION: What is Canonical's plan to monetise Ubuntu for the desktop?
[15:06] <shankey> QUESTION: When we'll able to see meizu mx4 ubuntu in india
[15:06] <bastpt> Hi
[15:07] <redjouir> Question: With the way Ubuntu Snappy separates system and applications is something like Tripwire still important for filesystem integrity?
[15:07] <ahoneybun> o/
[15:07] <divyessh> will the stay of meizu be depending on its sales ?
[15:07] <divyessh> in india
[15:07] <davidcalle> aquarius, that's not fair, I'm right out of paternity leave, litterally yesterday
[15:10] <shankey> QUESTION:   Meizu mx Ubuntu...will it launch in india?
[15:10] <svij> dholbach: haha, my name was just fine :D
[15:11] <shankey> QUESTION:  plese answer my previous question
[15:12] <vitimiti> shankey, be patient, they will get to it eventually
[15:12] <aquarius> davidcalle, I'm certainly not pushing for it -- you're busy, and that's no problem :)
[15:12] <aquarius> davidcalle, just teasing to see if I can bribe you ;) Congratulations, btw
[15:12] <davidcalle> aquarius, ;-)
[15:13] <shankey> vitimiti, how much time will they take to start?
[15:13] <vitimiti> idk
[15:13] <svij> dholbach: 18 September not october!
[15:13] <UbuntuBiene> From when it is a stable version of Ubuntu with Unity give 8 ? with ubuntu 15:10 or until 16:04 , or at least until later ?
[15:14] <dholbach> svij, oop, sorry
[15:14] <dholbach> going to correct myself in a bit
[15:14] <divyessh> recently microsoft has launched a prensation app called sway, which has almost killed powerpoint will linux developers bring a alternative for the same in linux i would really love to see a MUCH BETTER alternative of sway in linux
[15:14] <svij> dholbach: :)
[15:14] <svij> link for ubucontest: http://ubucon.de/2015/contest
[15:15] <Zi123> When will WhatsApp be available on Ubuntu touch? Is there work with WhatsApp?
[15:16] <divyessh> i would rather prefer a official ubuntu touch messenger on its smartphone rather than whatsapp
[15:17] <svij> dholbach: next time you need to pronounce my family name too… *scnr*
[15:17] <aquarius> Zi123, you need to put "QUESTION:" at the beginning of your questions, so that David and Daniel see them
[15:17] <vitimiti> I'd prefer an official one, too, but many people use WhatsApp, including family members
[15:20] <dragonbite_> thanks!
[15:21] <sergiusens> dholbach: this can help in verifying if your device will work http://www.willmyphonework.net/ (it has the mx4 and both bq's listed there)
[15:21] <dragonbite_> KVM is just "Keyboard, Video and Mouse" abbreviated
[15:21] <sergiusens> potential device
[15:21] <Boppy-pops> QUESTION: Why was there no "Welcome Video" by Mark Shuttleworth for UbuConLA this month, like usual ? #VeryDisappointed not to hear from him.
[15:21] <sergiusens> dragonbite_: depends on the context, it's also kernel-based virtual machine
[15:23] <Boppy-pops> Aquarius is @sil, right ?
[15:23] <aquarius> davidcalle, 🍦 :-)
[15:23] <aquarius> I am indeed, Boppy-pops
[15:23] <Boppy-pops> Good-oh
[15:23] <dholbach> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYdPupMvsvFms0S27FDFyf7UvfES97Cl3NjaCGWUDi1kSpdo5A?hl=en&authuser=2
[15:24] <dholbach> oops
[15:24] <dholbach> http://www.olli-ries.com/t-242d/
[15:24] <Boppy-pops> Aquarius, Did you get those details of the WD media center over to the WDLive subreddit , yet ?
[15:24] <aquarius> QUESTION: if I only need to supply an ice cream to get the content hub documentation, what do I need to buy to get scopes in JavaScript officially supported? :)
[15:24] <aquarius> Boppy-pops, I did, and a WD tech support person was very helpful!
[15:24] <Boppy-pops> Good-oh
[15:25] <Boppy-pops> Happy I found that subreddit. Some of them are trickey to search for.
[15:25] <divyessh> QUESTION: Will Ubuntu Touch Os Be Available To install On NonUbuntu Smartphones Like - Android & Windows?
[15:25] <divyessh> 6.QUESTION: Will Ubuntu Touch Os Be Available To install On NonUbuntu Smartphones Like - Android & Windows In Future ?
[15:26] <vitimiti> Thanks for the answer guys
[15:27] <Boppy-pops> These responses are taking to long, though.
[15:28] <Boppy-pops> **too
[15:30] <Boppy-pops> aquarius: Is open-hatch the best site we have for learning to code , or are there others that I haven't considered ? i.e. Can you give me a good website that  can get me going better in coding ?
[15:30] <aquarius> Boppy-pops, have you done any programming at all? Or are you looking to learn a specific language?
[15:30] <dholbach> keep the questions coming
[15:30] <dholbach> please just make sure you prefix them with QUESTION:
[15:31] <Boppy-pops> I'm learning python (learn Python the hard way book.) ... but I need something more interactive. Trying to master SDL, eventually for games etc.
[15:32] <vitimiti> I'm working on some SDL2 tutorials, Boppy-pops, but you should check lazyfoo.net
[15:32] <Boppy-pops> opening lazyfoo.net ...
[15:33] <aquarius> QUESTION (a more serious one now): there was recently a chap who was very unhappy that his published for-sale apps in Ubuntu Software Centre were not made available for 14.10 and 15.04 releases, and that his emails asking about this were ignored for months. He is not the first to complain about this. We've been told that click (or now snappy) will be the solution here, but snappy isn't ready yet and the deb-base
[15:33] <aquarius> d USC will be in 16.04 and supported for five years. If someone wants to sell software on Ubuntu desktop, what should they do until snappy is ready, some years from now?
[15:33] <aquarius> Boppy-pops, I don't know much about guides to learning programming, I'm afraid. I believe Khan Academy is meant to be good, and Pluralsight have lots of tutorial videos and so on
[15:34] <Boppy-pops> aquarius: Ok, no prob.s - I'll keep hacking away . cheers for the comradery, anywayz...
[15:35] <svij> it's bq launching in india, not meizu (yet)
[15:35] <Boppy-pops> They don't know.
[15:36] <svij> dholbach: look heeere :P
[15:37] <Boppy-pops> QUESTION: Why do I have to keep moving the dialogue window down to the most current message on the 'Ubuntu on air' chat window ? Surely it should just keep up to date, instead of me just moving the scroll bar every so often ? #Annoying.
[15:38] <Boppy-pops> this is taking way too long.
[15:39] <Boppy-pops> 'he was busy' .. is that how complicated this gets ? Jeeze.
[15:39] <dholbach> really nice questions everyone! :-)
[15:40] <dholbach> svij, thanks!
[15:40] <dholbach> Boppy-pops, easy easy
[15:41] <aquarius> cheers davidcalle for the JS scopes answer :)
[15:41] <Boppy-pops> dholbach: Ok, I shall ber. But this is getting biennial.
[15:42] <dholbach> biennial?
[15:42] <vitimiti> QUESTION: Will the snappy packages allow developers to upgrade just determined parts of the package (like say just a library or the executable) when needed, or will the user have to download the whole package again?
[15:43] <Boppy-pops> Right, I mean when Jono did them - there was no delay, or english pronouncation issues. These guys just seem to ;muse' the problems in the most generic way.
[15:43] <dholbach> wow
[15:43] <dholbach> ..........
[15:43] <vitimiti> Not everybody is a native English speaker or can speak like one, that's rude
[15:43] <dholbach> man, Ubuntu is made up from people from all around the world
[15:44] <Boppy-pops> I telling Jono.
[15:46] <Shankey> hii
[15:47] <Boppy-pops> QUESTION: Why would the presenters work/ or give  on bounties ? i.e. #bountysource .
[15:47] <Shankey> QUESTION:  recently microsoft has launched a presentation app called sway, which has almost killed powerpoint will linux developers bring a alternative for the same in linux i would really love to see a MUCH BETTER alternative of sway in linux
[15:47] <aquarius> did I miss my more serious question about selling software getting answered, dholbach?
[15:48] <vitimiti> Thanks
[15:48] <balloons> aquarius, that's a good question
[15:48] <aquarius> balloons, I thought so, certainly :)
[15:48] <dholbach> aquarius, sorry
[15:48] <dholbach> missed it
[15:48] <aquarius> dholbach, no problem! I thought maybe I'd missed the answer :)
[15:48] <vitimiti> That's nice
[15:49] <balloons> aquarius, I won't steal there thunder in answering heh
[15:50] <Shankey> hey Is there any news for third party apps development in ubuntu phone such as skype or dropbox
[15:51] <vitimiti> Put QUESTION in front of your question for them to see it, Shankey
[15:52] <Shankey> vitimiti. ok...i have already put QUESTION for developers actually i was asking from you all about third party apps
[15:53] <vitimiti> Oh, I don't know about that
[15:53] <bastpt> Shankey, there is a initial version for Skype https://uappexplorer.com/app/skype.peter-bittner
[15:53] <aquarius> dholbach, davidcalle, the g+ discussion is at https://plus.google.com/u/0/104302332254763494070/posts/GE7Dzo69ywR. But that's just an example, not the thing I'm asking about -- my question is, what do I do if I want to sell software on Ubuntu desktop? I am fine if the answer is "Ubuntu does not help you at the moment"!
[15:54] <aquarius> Cool -- so the best approach at the moment is to do third-party distribution; sell through itch.io or the Humble Store or similar. That's fine -- thank you dholbach for the answer!
[15:55] <balloons> aquarius, imho, it was probably an unrealistic expectation to have someone else package your software and maintain that package forever
[15:55] <Shankey> bastpt, vitmiti, you guys know everything....i was in a confusion about third party apps..and that means there are apps for ubuntu touch
[15:57] <aquarius> balloons, perhaps, but at least some people uploaded their own debs. The next question is: since the paid software bit of USC basically doesn't work because it's not sensibly possible to publish software in it, isn't it quite misleading for USC to pretend that it's a paid software store?
[15:58] <vitimiti> I... don't know everything...
[15:58] <aquarius> balloons, but that's not got a good answer.
[15:58] <aquarius> Shankey, there is a Dropbox app already (not from Dropbox themselves) for Ubuntu phones -- it's called uDropCabin, I think
[15:58] <balloons> aquarius, right I think we agree having a platform for someone else to publish there own packages is best. In addition, the work done to ensure sandboxing and provide security helps fix the ongoing review issues
[15:59] <aquarius> Shankey, https://uappexplorer.com/app/com.ubuntu.developer.bobo1993324.udropcabin
[15:59] <dholbach> thanks again guys!
[15:59] <balloons> aquarius, as far as USC goes, there's already some discussions starting on the mailing list about it. I think it's a good discussion to have
[15:59] <vitimiti> Love your Q&As, dholbach, davidcalle
[15:59] <dragonbite_> Thanks guys!  And thanks for being accessible!
[15:59] <aquarius> thank you davidcalle dholbach!
[16:00] <vitimiti> Nice, dragonbite_
[16:00] <davidcalle> Thank you all :)
[16:00] <dholbach> Boppy-pops, see we got through all of the questions in an hour
[16:00] <balloons> aquarius, it makes sense to think about what USC brings for paid apps now
[16:00] <aquarius> balloons, I certainly agree that the move to click fixes a lot of problems; I just think that there's a big gap before that stuff arrives on the desktop, and nobody seems prepared to say out loud "we basically do not have a solution to that". It was great to hear dholbach acknowledge that
[16:00] <dragonbite_> *wave* ;)
[16:00] <dholbach> aquarius, ok... I'll pass that on
[16:00] <balloons> aquarius, right. There is no magical fix sadly
[16:00] <Shankey> aquaris, Now for me ubuntu phone is worth it to buy.. : )
[16:01] <vitimiti> I want one
[16:01] <vitimiti> And can't wait to have a tablet, too
[16:01] <Shankey> everthing i need its on ubuntu phone whereas whatsapp it doesnt create any impact on my choice
[16:02] <aquarius> Shankey, excellent!
[16:02] <marlboro> it's not a bug.
[16:03] <marlboro> if it were moving all the time you woudn't be able to read the messages without them scrolling out of view.
[16:04] <Shankey> aquaris, thanks :) ...and dat uappexplorer.com OMG it has lots of apps...
[16:08] <dholbach> .
[16:13] <Boppy-pops> dholbach: Yeah, you did well.
[16:21] <Shankey> QUESTION : Microsoft Swap alternative in Linux ?? is there will be Swap alternative in Linux I love to see that
[16:40] <mh_> hi
[16:45] <RobG> How are you guys doing
[18:45] <ivica> hi