mapitohi :D06:13
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bigcalmGood morning peeps :)08:07
brobostigonmorning boys and girls.08:35
bigcalmI have a server that is struggling with apt-get update and won't do a do-release-upgrade08:39
popeywat wat?08:39
popeywhat release is it on?08:39
popeylsb_release -a08:39
popeyand what happens when you "sudo apt-get update"?08:39
bigcalmI was pointed at http://askubuntu.com/a/525859 but it didn't help08:41
popeyis this a vps somewhere?08:41
bigcalmYes, with Softcat08:42
popeysudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys <KEY>08:43
popeytried doing that for each key?08:43
popeyalso, tsk root08:43
bigcalmWhy tsk root?08:44
lubotu3sudo is a command to run command-line programs with superuser privileges ("root") (also see !cli). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for more information. For graphical applications see !pkexec (for older releases: !gksu and !kdesudo). If you're unable to execute commands with sudo see: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/fixsudo08:44
bigcalmI understand what sudo is for, but not why you think it's a bad idea08:44
bigcalmAnyway. I'll drop back to the user and use sudo08:45
bigcalmI haven't tried adding the keys, will do so08:45
popeythat will likely "fix" it08:45
popeyassuming it's a genuine ubuntu install and not some bastardised rubbish08:45
popey(some vps providers say its ubuntu but actually they fiddle with it)08:46
davmor2Morning all08:46
bigcalmGood night08:47
bigcalmpopey: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12054305/08:49
bigcalmI'll get the client to talk to the hosting company to find out why the connection is timing out08:49
bigcalmThey do odd restrictions with their firewall08:50
popeydoes it fail every time?08:53
popeycould be a problem our end of course08:53
davmor2bigcalm: try pinging gb.archive.ubuntu.com08:59
bigcalmdavmor2: that's fine09:00
popeycan you get to cassava.canonical.com ?09:03
popeyuh, keyserver.ubuntu.com ?09:03
JamesTaitGood morning all; happy Ingersoll Day! 😃09:07
bigcalmpopey: yes09:10
jpdsbigcalm: It's more likely that they block port 1137109:11
jpdsbigcalm: Try: hkp://keyserver.ubuntu.com:8009:13
bigcalmjpds: I've passed it back to the client/hosting company. But I'll try what you suggest if they won't unblock the port09:18
* bigcalm heads to bed to fight the ill09:19
bigcalmThanks for your help peeps :)09:20
davmor2JamesTait: this might be cheating but I don't care https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tI1_KlO6xI09:20
davmor2bigcalm: get well soon dude09:20
JamesTaitdavmor2, wrong Ingersoll. 😉09:21
davmor2JamesTait: I did say it was cheating but I didn't care :)09:22
davmor2JamesTait: I could of gone for https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdQY7BusJNU09:23
JamesTaitdavmor2, Robert Green Ingersoll: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_G._Ingersoll09:23
davmor2JamesTait: You'll prefer the time ones https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Bp2Eqrvuis09:27
davmor2JamesTait: and as  for freethought agnosticism songs go you can't beat this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlBiLNN1NhQ09:28
awilkinsWhoa, Firefox just started putting up "suggested" tabs in my new tab page09:29
awilkinsDo Not Like.09:29
awilkinsIs there a way to disable that?09:29
davmor2awilkins: use w3m09:30
davmor2awilkins: I think most browsers do it by default now09:31
zmoylan-pii switched new tab to just show blank page09:31
bashrcaccess to production?09:37
* mgdm avoids getting access to production whereever possible09:37
bashrcproduction as opposed to prototype09:41
zmoylan-piand new versions of firefox will only run signed extensions.  it's like mozilla wants to kill firefox09:42
bashrcmaybe so09:42
bashrcdoes that have implications for iceweasel?09:43
zmoylan-pimake it more popular?09:43
awilkinsIceweasel is AFAIK just a hack around "Firefox" being a trademark09:44
awilkinsAnd thus not shippable by a strictly "Free Software" distro09:44
awilkins"they will be basically identical" : Debian dev mailing list09:46
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awilkinsIt might take longer to get those changes, because it's the Debian Stable version09:46
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diddledanI crave sweeties15:34
* awilkins considers making an off-colour joke about how "it's not politically correct to call them 'sweeties' any more" but backs down15:51
diddledanawilkins: what's more appropriate?16:01
diddledanawilkins: maybe "hot mamas"?16:02
diddledanI'm not sure I'd get away with chasing schoolgirls these days16:02
shaunocardio  *nods*16:05
diddledanI'm not sure that's a valid excuse16:06
diddledanmight be worth suggesting it to every 80s icon for when they're next in line for the paedo-hunt16:07
diddledanspeaking of, have we still got any left?16:08
shaunowell, the chuckle brothers are still squeaky clean, surprisingly16:08
diddledanthat really is shocking16:08
shaunoalso, the island was great fun.  hoping I can go back next year16:09
bashrcUbuntu One server open sourced https://insights.ubuntu.com/2015/08/10/ubuntu-one-file-syncing-code-open-sourced16:42
bashrcthis is a "code over the side" thing, but still good16:45
daftykinsASRock Ion330 -> Amazon FireTV ^_^16:52
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diddledandaftykins: are those firetvs any good?17:08
diddledanssl certificate chains - which order do they need to be? i.e. root -> intermediate -> server or vicky verky?17:09
daftykinswell i just sideloaded Kodi and it's playing bluray rips off my file server over wired LAN17:10
daftykinsso... yeah if you ignore HEVC and 4K content which is obviously thin on the ground still, it's great for the £49 delivered i got it for17:10
shaunoI'm screaming at kodi at the moment :/17:14
diddledanooh, sky are giving me some monies17:22
diddledangolden handshake :-p17:22
diddledanI left them last month and it seems they want to reimburse me for the privilege17:22
daftykinsshauno: oh?17:23
shaunoI can't get it to add movies to the library anymore :/17:25
shaunofigured it was because I have an ancient version of xbmc, so I tried kodi instead, same deal17:25
daftykinsdid you let it take over your whole profile? i.e. ~/.xbmc -> ~/.kodi ?17:26
daftykinsalways good to start afresh when changing version imo, regardless of what they say17:26
daftykinsotherwise enabling full debug logging might show it up17:26
shaunonope, they're on different devices17:26
daftykinswhat scraper do you use? is it film or TV?17:27
daftykinsah movies you said17:27
mapswhat to watch17:27
shaunoyeah, I'm playing with alternatives atm.17:27
shaunojust annoyed because I've never had to mess with this before.  it just worked17:28
daftykinsi always install the universal scraper and leave it set to IMDb17:29
daftykinsdefault comes from TMDb which i don't care for the ratings from :)17:30
maps2hr break at home..do i watch home... LEGO.Justice.League.Attack.of.the.Legion.of.Doom entourage or entourage or don jon hmm17:33
daftykinswatch less get out more ;)17:35
mapsive got a 2hr break a work i meant17:35
mapsdidnt mean to say home17:35
shaunoI'm just grumpy because it used to work fine17:38
brobostigonyou havent talked to my gf then, grumpyness, wooops.17:39
brobostigonor what she thinks of me, to be precise.17:40
brobostigonsorry again.17:40
shaunothat's different.  this used to work :p17:48
daftykinsi need to stop watching this film i fired up for testing18:04
zmoylan-pidepends on the film of course...18:21
diddledanlook what I just got going! https://www.dropbox.com/s/g4eg05hzu9oqix2/gem-desktop.png?dl=018:58
shaunoand I thought I was bored18:58
daftykinsLenovo in shocker - forcing software installs (allegedly) from the EFI into vanilla Windows installs18:58
daftykinsno idea if this is legit18:59
zmoylan-pii'm sure it's covered in the 30 page eula somewhere19:00
daftykinsugh your comments are always the same ;/19:01
zmoylan-piif gem had a decent browser, email client, text editor and tools i'd give it a bash19:01
zmoylan-pii have a unopened pi2 and i keep thinking of trying risc os on it...19:02
diddledanI've got one of those, too, unopened19:02
zmoylan-pimy current pi b is still doing it's job well...19:03
MartijnVdSI installed Debian on my desktop, and it "feels" a lot faster somehow. Like when I ssh in, it's almost instant instead of the 0.5 second delay I got on ubuntu19:04
MartijnVdSwhat could be causing that?19:04
NokajiMartijnVdS: As I understand it (and i know nothing), ubuntu is an all bells and whistles version, kubuntu and lubuntu are lighter weight for perhaps older systems, all of them are light compared to windows though19:13
DJonesI always think of kubuntu as being heavier on resources than Ubuntu (but not used it since gnome 2 days, so maybe just comparing it to that)19:21
Nokajiyou could be right, I'm simply quoting one of the professional reviewers on youtube, they all have different stances, but I have to start somewhere19:24
shaunoI gotta admit, it's been a whole long time since I considered ubuntu lightweight19:25
Nokajiit comes down to using the same kernel (kde/gnome) and then the choice of applications ... a.i.u.i.19:25
Nokajiplus of course whatever we are calling the HMI bit composed of unity or other options19:28
NokajiI'm ofc open to better explanations/interpretations as I'm just getting started myself, really19:29
DJonesshauno: Probably right there, I tried using kubuntu on a 10 year laptop about 4-5 years ago & it was struggling, now I'm on a new i7 with 8gb ram & ssd,so ubuntu flies19:33
diddledanI've decided I like systemd19:35
diddledanuser-jobs are funkyawesome!19:35
diddledanno more futzing around with sudo19:36
diddledanor weird cron entries for @reboob19:36
Nokajihmh, apparently debian has a choice of desktops but ubuntu just the one (unity) so that doesn't quite explain the lag19:38
daftykinsno, ubuntu has all of them - but 'ubuntu' in name just comes with unity as default19:39
daftykinsthey can have unity removed or just another installed beside, making it more akin to xubuntu for xfce, kubuntu for KDE, etc etc19:40
shaunoit's a weird one to pin down.  eg, his example of ssh'ing in shouldn't be affected by which desktop it has19:41
daftykinsMartijnVdS: does debian have all the same automagic networking cruft that ubuntu does these days?19:41
NokajiIndeed, and you can spend time converting one distro into another, too or filling up your drive with additional s/w but I was attempting to compare the stock versions.19:42
daftykinsNokaji: how do you claim debian to have a choice and ubuntu not, then?19:42
Nokajiwhen did i say that?19:42
MartijnVdSdaftykins: I am using network-manager19:43
MartijnVdSdaftykins: what other automagic network stuff is there?19:43
daftykinsNokaji: above when you said debian has a choice but ubuntu just comes with unity?19:43
daftykinsMartijnVdS: all that dnsmasq rubbish19:43
MartijnVdSdaftykins: ah yeah I have that too19:44
Nokajidaftykins: you are confusing what i said, i'm referring to stock versions19:44
MartijnVdSmaybe something doesn't do a DNS lookup where Ubuntu does though19:44
MartijnVdSwho knows19:44
daftykinsNokaji: no i'm asking what you meant by how debian offers a choice but ubuntu doesn't19:44
daftykinsjust the whole tickbox installer affair?19:44
Nokajidaftykins: never said that at all19:45
daftykins20:38 < Nokaji> hmh, apparently debian has a choice of desktops but ubuntu just the one (unity) so that doesn't quite explain the lag19:45
Nokajiif anything i said the opposite19:45
Nokajiagain, i'm referring to stock versions19:45
daftykinsok you keep going around in circles, i was just asking what you meant but i guess you don't know either :)19:45
Nokajidaftykins: we can keep going around in circles but i already answered what you are now asking - (20:42:03) Nokaji: Indeed, and you can spend time converting one distro into another - - obviously when you start modifying it form stock, you are going to affect the resultys so it makes eminent sense to refer back to sa known/stock version19:47
Nokajidaftykins: why not answer MartijnVdS's question instead of spending your time laughing at me?19:50
daftykinsi'm not laughing, i asked you a genuine question to understand what you meant and you're flying off the handle19:50
Nokajii am?19:51
ali1234MartijnVdS: what version of debian and what version of ubuntu?19:51
ali1234my best guess would be something involving socket activation, but they should both be on systemd now19:52
shaunocould it be something simple like the system info banner that ubuntu has on ssh?19:53
shauno(also, why does 'date' report my time as IST.  argh!)19:54
daftykinsthat's true19:54
ali1234or maybe it's that weird DNS proxy stuff19:54
diddledanshauno: is that islamic state time?19:54
shaunonope, indian standard time.  apparently Ireland is now in bangalore.19:54
shaunoseriously, there's genuine names for these timezones.  WET and WEST.  you don't have to invent more just in the mad rush to not have ireland's timezone named bst19:55
MartijnVdSali1234: jessie and .. whatever latest non-dev ubuntu is19:56
shaunofor some reason portugal manages this just fine, but ireland loses its mind and starts inventing names19:56
ali1234should have systemd then, assuming clean installs19:57
MartijnVdSali1234: yes, both have systemd19:57
ali1234not sure what happens if you upgrade19:57
ali1234note you can have systemd without having it managing everything19:57
ali1234it's a bit of a mess to be honest19:57
ali1234all that stuff about it being easier for maintainers... no19:57
ali1234not until the old stuff is dead and buried anyway19:57
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