| mapito | hi :D | 06:13 |
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| bigcalm | Good morning peeps :) | 08:07 |
| bashrc | morning | 08:22 |
| brobostigon | morning boys and girls. | 08:35 |
| bigcalm | Ahoy | 08:38 |
| bigcalm | I have a server that is struggling with apt-get update and won't do a do-release-upgrade | 08:39 |
| popey | wat wat? | 08:39 |
| popey | what release is it on? | 08:39 |
| popey | lsb_release -a | 08:39 |
| bigcalm | 12.04.5 | 08:39 |
| popey | and what happens when you "sudo apt-get update"? | 08:39 |
| bigcalm | http://paste.ubuntu.com/12054273/ | 08:40 |
| bigcalm | I was pointed at http://askubuntu.com/a/525859 but it didn't help | 08:41 |
| popey | is this a vps somewhere? | 08:41 |
| bigcalm | Yes, with Softcat | 08:42 |
| popey | sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys <KEY> | 08:43 |
| popey | tried doing that for each key? | 08:43 |
| popey | also, tsk root | 08:43 |
| bigcalm | Why tsk root? | 08:44 |
| popey | !rootsudo | 08:44 |
| lubotu3 | sudo is a command to run command-line programs with superuser privileges ("root") (also see !cli). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for more information. For graphical applications see !pkexec (for older releases: !gksu and !kdesudo). If you're unable to execute commands with sudo see: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/fixsudo | 08:44 |
| popey | :) | 08:44 |
| bigcalm | I understand what sudo is for, but not why you think it's a bad idea | 08:44 |
| bigcalm | Anyway. I'll drop back to the user and use sudo | 08:45 |
| bigcalm | I haven't tried adding the keys, will do so | 08:45 |
| popey | that will likely "fix" it | 08:45 |
| popey | assuming it's a genuine ubuntu install and not some bastardised rubbish | 08:45 |
| popey | (some vps providers say its ubuntu but actually they fiddle with it) | 08:46 |
| davmor2 | Morning all | 08:46 |
| popey | afternoon | 08:46 |
| bigcalm | Good night | 08:47 |
| bigcalm | zzzz | 08:47 |
| bigcalm | popey: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12054305/ | 08:49 |
| bigcalm | I'll get the client to talk to the hosting company to find out why the connection is timing out | 08:49 |
| bigcalm | They do odd restrictions with their firewall | 08:50 |
| popey | does it fail every time? | 08:53 |
| popey | could be a problem our end of course | 08:53 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: try pinging gb.archive.ubuntu.com | 08:59 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: that's fine | 09:00 |
| popey | can you get to cassava.canonical.com ? | 09:03 |
| popey | uh, keyserver.ubuntu.com ? | 09:03 |
| JamesTait | Good morning all; happy Ingersoll Day! 😃 | 09:07 |
| bigcalm | popey: yes | 09:10 |
| jpds | bigcalm: It's more likely that they block port 11371 | 09:11 |
| jpds | bigcalm: Try: hkp://keyserver.ubuntu.com:80 | 09:13 |
| bigcalm | jpds: I've passed it back to the client/hosting company. But I'll try what you suggest if they won't unblock the port | 09:18 |
| * bigcalm heads to bed to fight the ill | 09:19 | |
| bigcalm | Thanks for your help peeps :) | 09:20 |
| davmor2 | JamesTait: this might be cheating but I don't care https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tI1_KlO6xI | 09:20 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: get well soon dude | 09:20 |
| bigcalm | o/ | 09:20 |
| JamesTait | davmor2, wrong Ingersoll. 😉 | 09:21 |
| davmor2 | JamesTait: I did say it was cheating but I didn't care :) | 09:22 |
| davmor2 | JamesTait: I could of gone for https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdQY7BusJNU | 09:23 |
| JamesTait | davmor2, Robert Green Ingersoll: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_G._Ingersoll | 09:23 |
| davmor2 | JamesTait: You'll prefer the time ones https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Bp2Eqrvuis | 09:27 |
| davmor2 | JamesTait: and as for freethought agnosticism songs go you can't beat this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlBiLNN1NhQ | 09:28 |
| awilkins | Whoa, Firefox just started putting up "suggested" tabs in my new tab page | 09:29 |
| awilkins | Do Not Like. | 09:29 |
| awilkins | Is there a way to disable that? | 09:29 |
| davmor2 | awilkins: use w3m | 09:30 |
| davmor2 | awilkins: I think most browsers do it by default now | 09:31 |
| zmoylan-pi | i switched new tab to just show blank page | 09:31 |
| SuperMatt | http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/126412784207/the-very-first-time-you-are-handed-access-to | 09:34 |
| bashrc | access to production? | 09:37 |
| * mgdm avoids getting access to production whereever possible | 09:37 | |
| bashrc | production as opposed to prototype | 09:41 |
| zmoylan-pi | and new versions of firefox will only run signed extensions. it's like mozilla wants to kill firefox | 09:42 |
| bashrc | maybe so | 09:42 |
| bashrc | does that have implications for iceweasel? | 09:43 |
| zmoylan-pi | make it more popular? | 09:43 |
| awilkins | Iceweasel is AFAIK just a hack around "Firefox" being a trademark | 09:44 |
| awilkins | And thus not shippable by a strictly "Free Software" distro | 09:44 |
| awilkins | "they will be basically identical" : Debian dev mailing list | 09:46 |
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| awilkins | It might take longer to get those changes, because it's the Debian Stable version | 09:46 |
| === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte | ||
| === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away | ||
| === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte | ||
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| diddledan | I crave sweeties | 15:34 |
| * awilkins considers making an off-colour joke about how "it's not politically correct to call them 'sweeties' any more" but backs down | 15:51 | |
| diddledan | awilkins: what's more appropriate? | 16:01 |
| diddledan | awilkins: maybe "hot mamas"? | 16:02 |
| awilkins | "schoolgirls" | 16:02 |
| diddledan | lol | 16:02 |
| diddledan | I'm not sure I'd get away with chasing schoolgirls these days | 16:02 |
| shauno | cardio *nods* | 16:05 |
| diddledan | I'm not sure that's a valid excuse | 16:06 |
| diddledan | might be worth suggesting it to every 80s icon for when they're next in line for the paedo-hunt | 16:07 |
| diddledan | speaking of, have we still got any left? | 16:08 |
| shauno | well, the chuckle brothers are still squeaky clean, surprisingly | 16:08 |
| diddledan | wow | 16:08 |
| diddledan | that really is shocking | 16:08 |
| shauno | also, the island was great fun. hoping I can go back next year | 16:09 |
| bashrc | Ubuntu One server open sourced https://insights.ubuntu.com/2015/08/10/ubuntu-one-file-syncing-code-open-sourced | 16:42 |
| bashrc | this is a "code over the side" thing, but still good | 16:45 |
| daftykins | https://www.dropbox.com/s/zh86tegf56e2a00/IMG_20150811_173451.jpg?dl=0 | 16:52 |
| daftykins | ASRock Ion330 -> Amazon FireTV ^_^ | 16:52 |
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| diddledan | daftykins: are those firetvs any good? | 17:08 |
| diddledan | ssl certificate chains - which order do they need to be? i.e. root -> intermediate -> server or vicky verky? | 17:09 |
| daftykins | well i just sideloaded Kodi and it's playing bluray rips off my file server over wired LAN | 17:10 |
| diddledan | heh | 17:10 |
| daftykins | so... yeah if you ignore HEVC and 4K content which is obviously thin on the ground still, it's great for the £49 delivered i got it for | 17:10 |
| shauno | I'm screaming at kodi at the moment :/ | 17:14 |
| diddledan | ooh, sky are giving me some monies | 17:22 |
| diddledan | golden handshake :-p | 17:22 |
| diddledan | I left them last month and it seems they want to reimburse me for the privilege | 17:22 |
| daftykins | shauno: oh? | 17:23 |
| daftykins | https://medium.com/@ValdikSS/beware-of-windows-10-dns-resolver-and-dns-leaks-5bc5bfb4e3f1 | 17:24 |
| daftykins | hrmm | 17:24 |
| shauno | I can't get it to add movies to the library anymore :/ | 17:25 |
| shauno | figured it was because I have an ancient version of xbmc, so I tried kodi instead, same deal | 17:25 |
| daftykins | did you let it take over your whole profile? i.e. ~/.xbmc -> ~/.kodi ? | 17:26 |
| daftykins | always good to start afresh when changing version imo, regardless of what they say | 17:26 |
| daftykins | otherwise enabling full debug logging might show it up | 17:26 |
| shauno | nope, they're on different devices | 17:26 |
| daftykins | what scraper do you use? is it film or TV? | 17:27 |
| daftykins | ah movies you said | 17:27 |
| maps | what to watch | 17:27 |
| shauno | yeah, I'm playing with alternatives atm. | 17:27 |
| shauno | just annoyed because I've never had to mess with this before. it just worked | 17:28 |
| daftykins | i always install the universal scraper and leave it set to IMDb | 17:29 |
| daftykins | default comes from TMDb which i don't care for the ratings from :) | 17:30 |
| maps | 2hr break at home..do i watch home... LEGO.Justice.League.Attack.of.the.Legion.of.Doom entourage or entourage or don jon hmm | 17:33 |
| daftykins | watch less get out more ;) | 17:35 |
| maps | ive got a 2hr break a work i meant | 17:35 |
| maps | didnt mean to say home | 17:35 |
| maps | lol | 17:35 |
| shauno | I'm just grumpy because it used to work fine | 17:38 |
| brobostigon | you havent talked to my gf then, grumpyness, wooops. | 17:39 |
| brobostigon | sorry. | 17:39 |
| brobostigon | or what she thinks of me, to be precise. | 17:40 |
| brobostigon | sorry again. | 17:40 |
| shauno | that's different. this used to work :p | 17:48 |
| daftykins | XD | 17:52 |
| daftykins | i need to stop watching this film i fired up for testing | 18:04 |
| zmoylan-pi | depends on the film of course... | 18:21 |
| diddledan | look what I just got going! https://www.dropbox.com/s/g4eg05hzu9oqix2/gem-desktop.png?dl=0 | 18:58 |
| shauno | and I thought I was bored | 18:58 |
| daftykins | Lenovo in shocker - forcing software installs (allegedly) from the EFI into vanilla Windows installs | 18:58 |
| daftykins | http://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=29497693 | 18:59 |
| daftykins | no idea if this is legit | 18:59 |
| zmoylan-pi | i'm sure it's covered in the 30 page eula somewhere | 19:00 |
| daftykins | ugh your comments are always the same ;/ | 19:01 |
| zmoylan-pi | if gem had a decent browser, email client, text editor and tools i'd give it a bash | 19:01 |
| zmoylan-pi | i have a unopened pi2 and i keep thinking of trying risc os on it... | 19:02 |
| diddledan | I've got one of those, too, unopened | 19:02 |
| zmoylan-pi | my current pi b is still doing it's job well... | 19:03 |
| MartijnVdS | I installed Debian on my desktop, and it "feels" a lot faster somehow. Like when I ssh in, it's almost instant instead of the 0.5 second delay I got on ubuntu | 19:04 |
| MartijnVdS | what could be causing that? | 19:04 |
| Nokaji | MartijnVdS: As I understand it (and i know nothing), ubuntu is an all bells and whistles version, kubuntu and lubuntu are lighter weight for perhaps older systems, all of them are light compared to windows though | 19:13 |
| daftykins | lol. | 19:14 |
| DJones | I always think of kubuntu as being heavier on resources than Ubuntu (but not used it since gnome 2 days, so maybe just comparing it to that) | 19:21 |
| Nokaji | you could be right, I'm simply quoting one of the professional reviewers on youtube, they all have different stances, but I have to start somewhere | 19:24 |
| shauno | I gotta admit, it's been a whole long time since I considered ubuntu lightweight | 19:25 |
| daftykins | :D | 19:25 |
| Nokaji | it comes down to using the same kernel (kde/gnome) and then the choice of applications ... a.i.u.i. | 19:25 |
| Nokaji | plus of course whatever we are calling the HMI bit composed of unity or other options | 19:28 |
| Nokaji | I'm ofc open to better explanations/interpretations as I'm just getting started myself, really | 19:29 |
| DJones | shauno: Probably right there, I tried using kubuntu on a 10 year laptop about 4-5 years ago & it was struggling, now I'm on a new i7 with 8gb ram & ssd,so ubuntu flies | 19:33 |
| diddledan | I've decided I like systemd | 19:35 |
| diddledan | user-jobs are funkyawesome! | 19:35 |
| diddledan | no more futzing around with sudo | 19:36 |
| diddledan | or weird cron entries for @reboob | 19:36 |
| Nokaji | hmh, apparently debian has a choice of desktops but ubuntu just the one (unity) so that doesn't quite explain the lag | 19:38 |
| daftykins | no, ubuntu has all of them - but 'ubuntu' in name just comes with unity as default | 19:39 |
| daftykins | they can have unity removed or just another installed beside, making it more akin to xubuntu for xfce, kubuntu for KDE, etc etc | 19:40 |
| shauno | it's a weird one to pin down. eg, his example of ssh'ing in shouldn't be affected by which desktop it has | 19:41 |
| daftykins | MartijnVdS: does debian have all the same automagic networking cruft that ubuntu does these days? | 19:41 |
| Nokaji | Indeed, and you can spend time converting one distro into another, too or filling up your drive with additional s/w but I was attempting to compare the stock versions. | 19:42 |
| daftykins | Nokaji: how do you claim debian to have a choice and ubuntu not, then? | 19:42 |
| Nokaji | when did i say that? | 19:42 |
| MartijnVdS | daftykins: I am using network-manager | 19:43 |
| MartijnVdS | daftykins: what other automagic network stuff is there? | 19:43 |
| daftykins | Nokaji: above when you said debian has a choice but ubuntu just comes with unity? | 19:43 |
| daftykins | MartijnVdS: all that dnsmasq rubbish | 19:43 |
| MartijnVdS | daftykins: ah yeah I have that too | 19:44 |
| Nokaji | daftykins: you are confusing what i said, i'm referring to stock versions | 19:44 |
| MartijnVdS | maybe something doesn't do a DNS lookup where Ubuntu does though | 19:44 |
| MartijnVdS | who knows | 19:44 |
| daftykins | Nokaji: no i'm asking what you meant by how debian offers a choice but ubuntu doesn't | 19:44 |
| daftykins | just the whole tickbox installer affair? | 19:44 |
| Nokaji | daftykins: never said that at all | 19:45 |
| daftykins | 20:38 < Nokaji> hmh, apparently debian has a choice of desktops but ubuntu just the one (unity) so that doesn't quite explain the lag | 19:45 |
| Nokaji | if anything i said the opposite | 19:45 |
| Nokaji | again, i'm referring to stock versions | 19:45 |
| daftykins | ok you keep going around in circles, i was just asking what you meant but i guess you don't know either :) | 19:45 |
| Nokaji | daftykins: we can keep going around in circles but i already answered what you are now asking - (20:42:03) Nokaji: Indeed, and you can spend time converting one distro into another - - obviously when you start modifying it form stock, you are going to affect the resultys so it makes eminent sense to refer back to sa known/stock version | 19:47 |
| Nokaji | daftykins: why not answer MartijnVdS's question instead of spending your time laughing at me? | 19:50 |
| daftykins | i'm not laughing, i asked you a genuine question to understand what you meant and you're flying off the handle | 19:50 |
| Nokaji | i am? | 19:51 |
| daftykins | mmhmm | 19:51 |
| ali1234 | MartijnVdS: what version of debian and what version of ubuntu? | 19:51 |
| ali1234 | my best guess would be something involving socket activation, but they should both be on systemd now | 19:52 |
| shauno | could it be something simple like the system info banner that ubuntu has on ssh? | 19:53 |
| ali1234 | maybe | 19:53 |
| shauno | (also, why does 'date' report my time as IST. argh!) | 19:54 |
| daftykins | that's true | 19:54 |
| ali1234 | or maybe it's that weird DNS proxy stuff | 19:54 |
| diddledan | shauno: is that islamic state time? | 19:54 |
| shauno | nope, indian standard time. apparently Ireland is now in bangalore. | 19:54 |
| daftykins | :D | 19:54 |
| shauno | seriously, there's genuine names for these timezones. WET and WEST. you don't have to invent more just in the mad rush to not have ireland's timezone named bst | 19:55 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: jessie and .. whatever latest non-dev ubuntu is | 19:56 |
| shauno | for some reason portugal manages this just fine, but ireland loses its mind and starts inventing names | 19:56 |
| ali1234 | should have systemd then, assuming clean installs | 19:57 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: yes, both have systemd | 19:57 |
| ali1234 | not sure what happens if you upgrade | 19:57 |
| ali1234 | note you can have systemd without having it managing everything | 19:57 |
| ali1234 | it's a bit of a mess to be honest | 19:57 |
| ali1234 | all that stuff about it being easier for maintainers... no | 19:57 |
| ali1234 | not until the old stuff is dead and buried anyway | 19:57 |
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