[06:13] hi :D === cyrille_ is now known as cyrillev [08:07] Good morning peeps :) [08:22] morning [08:35] morning boys and girls. [08:38] Ahoy [08:39] I have a server that is struggling with apt-get update and won't do a do-release-upgrade [08:39] wat wat? [08:39] what release is it on? [08:39] lsb_release -a [08:39] 12.04.5 [08:39] and what happens when you "sudo apt-get update"? [08:40] http://paste.ubuntu.com/12054273/ [08:41] I was pointed at http://askubuntu.com/a/525859 but it didn't help [08:41] is this a vps somewhere? [08:42] Yes, with Softcat [08:43] sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys [08:43] tried doing that for each key? [08:43] also, tsk root [08:44] Why tsk root? [08:44] !rootsudo [08:44] sudo is a command to run command-line programs with superuser privileges ("root") (also see !cli). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for more information. For graphical applications see !pkexec (for older releases: !gksu and !kdesudo). If you're unable to execute commands with sudo see: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/fixsudo [08:44] :) [08:44] I understand what sudo is for, but not why you think it's a bad idea [08:45] Anyway. I'll drop back to the user and use sudo [08:45] I haven't tried adding the keys, will do so [08:45] that will likely "fix" it [08:45] assuming it's a genuine ubuntu install and not some bastardised rubbish [08:46] (some vps providers say its ubuntu but actually they fiddle with it) [08:46] Morning all [08:46] afternoon [08:47] Good night [08:47] zzzz [08:49] popey: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12054305/ [08:49] I'll get the client to talk to the hosting company to find out why the connection is timing out [08:50] They do odd restrictions with their firewall [08:53] does it fail every time? [08:53] could be a problem our end of course [08:59] bigcalm: try pinging gb.archive.ubuntu.com [09:00] davmor2: that's fine [09:03] can you get to cassava.canonical.com ? [09:03] uh, keyserver.ubuntu.com ? [09:07] Good morning all; happy Ingersoll Day! 😃 [09:10] popey: yes [09:11] bigcalm: It's more likely that they block port 11371 [09:13] bigcalm: Try: hkp://keyserver.ubuntu.com:80 [09:18] jpds: I've passed it back to the client/hosting company. But I'll try what you suggest if they won't unblock the port [09:19] * bigcalm heads to bed to fight the ill [09:20] Thanks for your help peeps :) [09:20] JamesTait: this might be cheating but I don't care https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tI1_KlO6xI [09:20] bigcalm: get well soon dude [09:20] o/ [09:21] davmor2, wrong Ingersoll. 😉 [09:22] JamesTait: I did say it was cheating but I didn't care :) [09:23] JamesTait: I could of gone for https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdQY7BusJNU [09:23] davmor2, Robert Green Ingersoll: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_G._Ingersoll [09:27] JamesTait: You'll prefer the time ones https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Bp2Eqrvuis [09:28] JamesTait: and as for freethought agnosticism songs go you can't beat this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlBiLNN1NhQ [09:29] Whoa, Firefox just started putting up "suggested" tabs in my new tab page [09:29] Do Not Like. [09:29] Is there a way to disable that? [09:30] awilkins: use w3m [09:31] awilkins: I think most browsers do it by default now [09:31] i switched new tab to just show blank page [09:34] http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/126412784207/the-very-first-time-you-are-handed-access-to [09:37] access to production? [09:37] * mgdm avoids getting access to production whereever possible [09:41] production as opposed to prototype [09:42] and new versions of firefox will only run signed extensions. it's like mozilla wants to kill firefox [09:42] maybe so [09:43] does that have implications for iceweasel? [09:43] make it more popular? [09:44] Iceweasel is AFAIK just a hack around "Firefox" being a trademark [09:44] And thus not shippable by a strictly "Free Software" distro [09:46] "they will be basically identical" : Debian dev mailing list === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [09:46] It might take longer to get those changes, because it's the Debian Stable version === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [15:34] I crave sweeties [15:51] * awilkins considers making an off-colour joke about how "it's not politically correct to call them 'sweeties' any more" but backs down [16:01] awilkins: what's more appropriate? [16:02] awilkins: maybe "hot mamas"? [16:02] "schoolgirls" [16:02] lol [16:02] I'm not sure I'd get away with chasing schoolgirls these days [16:05] cardio *nods* [16:06] I'm not sure that's a valid excuse [16:07] might be worth suggesting it to every 80s icon for when they're next in line for the paedo-hunt [16:08] speaking of, have we still got any left? [16:08] well, the chuckle brothers are still squeaky clean, surprisingly [16:08] wow [16:08] that really is shocking [16:09] also, the island was great fun. hoping I can go back next year [16:42] Ubuntu One server open sourced https://insights.ubuntu.com/2015/08/10/ubuntu-one-file-syncing-code-open-sourced [16:45] this is a "code over the side" thing, but still good [16:52] https://www.dropbox.com/s/zh86tegf56e2a00/IMG_20150811_173451.jpg?dl=0 [16:52] ASRock Ion330 -> Amazon FireTV ^_^ === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD [17:08] daftykins: are those firetvs any good? [17:09] ssl certificate chains - which order do they need to be? i.e. root -> intermediate -> server or vicky verky? [17:10] well i just sideloaded Kodi and it's playing bluray rips off my file server over wired LAN [17:10] heh [17:10] so... yeah if you ignore HEVC and 4K content which is obviously thin on the ground still, it's great for the £49 delivered i got it for [17:14] I'm screaming at kodi at the moment :/ [17:22] ooh, sky are giving me some monies [17:22] golden handshake :-p [17:22] I left them last month and it seems they want to reimburse me for the privilege [17:23] shauno: oh? [17:24] https://medium.com/@ValdikSS/beware-of-windows-10-dns-resolver-and-dns-leaks-5bc5bfb4e3f1 [17:24] hrmm [17:25] I can't get it to add movies to the library anymore :/ [17:25] figured it was because I have an ancient version of xbmc, so I tried kodi instead, same deal [17:26] did you let it take over your whole profile? i.e. ~/.xbmc -> ~/.kodi ? [17:26] always good to start afresh when changing version imo, regardless of what they say [17:26] otherwise enabling full debug logging might show it up [17:26] nope, they're on different devices [17:27] what scraper do you use? is it film or TV? [17:27] ah movies you said [17:27] what to watch [17:27] yeah, I'm playing with alternatives atm. [17:28] just annoyed because I've never had to mess with this before. it just worked [17:29] i always install the universal scraper and leave it set to IMDb [17:30] default comes from TMDb which i don't care for the ratings from :) [17:33] 2hr break at home..do i watch home... LEGO.Justice.League.Attack.of.the.Legion.of.Doom entourage or entourage or don jon hmm [17:35] watch less get out more ;) [17:35] ive got a 2hr break a work i meant [17:35] didnt mean to say home [17:35] lol [17:38] I'm just grumpy because it used to work fine [17:39] you havent talked to my gf then, grumpyness, wooops. [17:39] sorry. [17:40] or what she thinks of me, to be precise. [17:40] sorry again. [17:48] that's different. this used to work :p [17:52] XD [18:04] i need to stop watching this film i fired up for testing [18:21] depends on the film of course... [18:58] look what I just got going! https://www.dropbox.com/s/g4eg05hzu9oqix2/gem-desktop.png?dl=0 [18:58] and I thought I was bored [18:58] Lenovo in shocker - forcing software installs (allegedly) from the EFI into vanilla Windows installs [18:59] http://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=29497693 [18:59] no idea if this is legit [19:00] i'm sure it's covered in the 30 page eula somewhere [19:01] ugh your comments are always the same ;/ [19:01] if gem had a decent browser, email client, text editor and tools i'd give it a bash [19:02] i have a unopened pi2 and i keep thinking of trying risc os on it... [19:02] I've got one of those, too, unopened [19:03] my current pi b is still doing it's job well... [19:04] I installed Debian on my desktop, and it "feels" a lot faster somehow. Like when I ssh in, it's almost instant instead of the 0.5 second delay I got on ubuntu [19:04] what could be causing that? [19:13] MartijnVdS: As I understand it (and i know nothing), ubuntu is an all bells and whistles version, kubuntu and lubuntu are lighter weight for perhaps older systems, all of them are light compared to windows though [19:14] lol. [19:21] I always think of kubuntu as being heavier on resources than Ubuntu (but not used it since gnome 2 days, so maybe just comparing it to that) [19:24] you could be right, I'm simply quoting one of the professional reviewers on youtube, they all have different stances, but I have to start somewhere [19:25] I gotta admit, it's been a whole long time since I considered ubuntu lightweight [19:25] :D [19:25] it comes down to using the same kernel (kde/gnome) and then the choice of applications ... a.i.u.i. [19:28] plus of course whatever we are calling the HMI bit composed of unity or other options [19:29] I'm ofc open to better explanations/interpretations as I'm just getting started myself, really [19:33] shauno: Probably right there, I tried using kubuntu on a 10 year laptop about 4-5 years ago & it was struggling, now I'm on a new i7 with 8gb ram & ssd,so ubuntu flies [19:35] I've decided I like systemd [19:35] user-jobs are funkyawesome! [19:36] no more futzing around with sudo [19:36] or weird cron entries for @reboob [19:38] hmh, apparently debian has a choice of desktops but ubuntu just the one (unity) so that doesn't quite explain the lag [19:39] no, ubuntu has all of them - but 'ubuntu' in name just comes with unity as default [19:40] they can have unity removed or just another installed beside, making it more akin to xubuntu for xfce, kubuntu for KDE, etc etc [19:41] it's a weird one to pin down. eg, his example of ssh'ing in shouldn't be affected by which desktop it has [19:41] MartijnVdS: does debian have all the same automagic networking cruft that ubuntu does these days? [19:42] Indeed, and you can spend time converting one distro into another, too or filling up your drive with additional s/w but I was attempting to compare the stock versions. [19:42] Nokaji: how do you claim debian to have a choice and ubuntu not, then? [19:42] when did i say that? [19:43] daftykins: I am using network-manager [19:43] daftykins: what other automagic network stuff is there? [19:43] Nokaji: above when you said debian has a choice but ubuntu just comes with unity? [19:43] MartijnVdS: all that dnsmasq rubbish [19:44] daftykins: ah yeah I have that too [19:44] daftykins: you are confusing what i said, i'm referring to stock versions [19:44] maybe something doesn't do a DNS lookup where Ubuntu does though [19:44] who knows [19:44] Nokaji: no i'm asking what you meant by how debian offers a choice but ubuntu doesn't [19:44] just the whole tickbox installer affair? [19:45] daftykins: never said that at all [19:45] 20:38 < Nokaji> hmh, apparently debian has a choice of desktops but ubuntu just the one (unity) so that doesn't quite explain the lag [19:45] if anything i said the opposite [19:45] again, i'm referring to stock versions [19:45] ok you keep going around in circles, i was just asking what you meant but i guess you don't know either :) [19:47] daftykins: we can keep going around in circles but i already answered what you are now asking - (20:42:03) Nokaji: Indeed, and you can spend time converting one distro into another - - obviously when you start modifying it form stock, you are going to affect the resultys so it makes eminent sense to refer back to sa known/stock version [19:50] daftykins: why not answer MartijnVdS's question instead of spending your time laughing at me? [19:50] i'm not laughing, i asked you a genuine question to understand what you meant and you're flying off the handle [19:51] i am? [19:51] mmhmm [19:51] MartijnVdS: what version of debian and what version of ubuntu? [19:52] my best guess would be something involving socket activation, but they should both be on systemd now [19:53] could it be something simple like the system info banner that ubuntu has on ssh? [19:53] maybe [19:54] (also, why does 'date' report my time as IST. argh!) [19:54] that's true [19:54] or maybe it's that weird DNS proxy stuff [19:54] shauno: is that islamic state time? [19:54] nope, indian standard time. apparently Ireland is now in bangalore. [19:54] :D [19:55] seriously, there's genuine names for these timezones. WET and WEST. you don't have to invent more just in the mad rush to not have ireland's timezone named bst [19:56] ali1234: jessie and .. whatever latest non-dev ubuntu is [19:56] for some reason portugal manages this just fine, but ireland loses its mind and starts inventing names [19:57] should have systemd then, assuming clean installs [19:57] ali1234: yes, both have systemd [19:57] not sure what happens if you upgrade [19:57] note you can have systemd without having it managing everything [19:57] it's a bit of a mess to be honest [19:57] all that stuff about it being easier for maintainers... no [19:57] not until the old stuff is dead and buried anyway === g4mby is now known as PaulW2U === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away