[06:13] <mapito> hi :D
[08:07] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:22] <bashrc> morning
[08:35] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:38] <bigcalm> Ahoy
[08:39] <bigcalm> I have a server that is struggling with apt-get update and won't do a do-release-upgrade
[08:39] <popey> wat wat?
[08:39] <popey> what release is it on?
[08:39] <popey> lsb_release -a
[08:39] <bigcalm> 12.04.5
[08:39] <popey> and what happens when you "sudo apt-get update"?
[08:40] <bigcalm> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12054273/
[08:41] <bigcalm> I was pointed at http://askubuntu.com/a/525859 but it didn't help
[08:41] <popey> is this a vps somewhere?
[08:42] <bigcalm> Yes, with Softcat
[08:43] <popey> sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys <KEY>
[08:43] <popey> tried doing that for each key?
[08:43] <popey> also, tsk root
[08:44] <bigcalm> Why tsk root?
[08:44] <popey> !rootsudo
[08:44] <popey> :)
[08:44] <bigcalm> I understand what sudo is for, but not why you think it's a bad idea
[08:45] <bigcalm> Anyway. I'll drop back to the user and use sudo
[08:45] <bigcalm> I haven't tried adding the keys, will do so
[08:45] <popey> that will likely "fix" it
[08:45] <popey> assuming it's a genuine ubuntu install and not some bastardised rubbish
[08:46] <popey> (some vps providers say its ubuntu but actually they fiddle with it)
[08:46] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:46] <popey> afternoon
[08:47] <bigcalm> Good night
[08:47] <bigcalm> zzzz
[08:49] <bigcalm> popey: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12054305/
[08:49] <bigcalm> I'll get the client to talk to the hosting company to find out why the connection is timing out
[08:50] <bigcalm> They do odd restrictions with their firewall
[08:53] <popey> does it fail every time?
[08:53] <popey> could be a problem our end of course
[08:59] <davmor2> bigcalm: try pinging gb.archive.ubuntu.com
[09:00] <bigcalm> davmor2: that's fine
[09:03] <popey> can you get to cassava.canonical.com ?
[09:03] <popey> uh, keyserver.ubuntu.com ?
[09:07] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Ingersoll Day! 😃
[09:10] <bigcalm> popey: yes
[09:11] <jpds> bigcalm: It's more likely that they block port 11371
[09:13] <jpds> bigcalm: Try: hkp://keyserver.ubuntu.com:80
[09:18] <bigcalm> jpds: I've passed it back to the client/hosting company. But I'll try what you suggest if they won't unblock the port
[09:19]  * bigcalm heads to bed to fight the ill
[09:20] <bigcalm> Thanks for your help peeps :)
[09:20] <davmor2> JamesTait: this might be cheating but I don't care https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tI1_KlO6xI
[09:20] <davmor2> bigcalm: get well soon dude
[09:20] <bigcalm> o/
[09:21] <JamesTait> davmor2, wrong Ingersoll. 😉
[09:22] <davmor2> JamesTait: I did say it was cheating but I didn't care :)
[09:23] <davmor2> JamesTait: I could of gone for https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdQY7BusJNU
[09:23] <JamesTait> davmor2, Robert Green Ingersoll: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_G._Ingersoll
[09:27] <davmor2> JamesTait: You'll prefer the time ones https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Bp2Eqrvuis
[09:28] <davmor2> JamesTait: and as  for freethought agnosticism songs go you can't beat this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlBiLNN1NhQ
[09:29] <awilkins> Whoa, Firefox just started putting up "suggested" tabs in my new tab page
[09:29] <awilkins> Do Not Like.
[09:29] <awilkins> Is there a way to disable that?
[09:30] <davmor2> awilkins: use w3m
[09:31] <davmor2> awilkins: I think most browsers do it by default now
[09:31] <zmoylan-pi> i switched new tab to just show blank page
[09:34] <SuperMatt> http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/126412784207/the-very-first-time-you-are-handed-access-to
[09:37] <bashrc> access to production?
[09:37]  * mgdm avoids getting access to production whereever possible
[09:41] <bashrc> production as opposed to prototype
[09:42] <zmoylan-pi> and new versions of firefox will only run signed extensions.  it's like mozilla wants to kill firefox
[09:42] <bashrc> maybe so
[09:43] <bashrc> does that have implications for iceweasel?
[09:43] <zmoylan-pi> make it more popular?
[09:44] <awilkins> Iceweasel is AFAIK just a hack around "Firefox" being a trademark
[09:44] <awilkins> And thus not shippable by a strictly "Free Software" distro
[09:46] <awilkins> "they will be basically identical" : Debian dev mailing list
[09:46] <awilkins> It might take longer to get those changes, because it's the Debian Stable version
[15:34] <diddledan> I crave sweeties
[15:51]  * awilkins considers making an off-colour joke about how "it's not politically correct to call them 'sweeties' any more" but backs down
[16:01] <diddledan> awilkins: what's more appropriate?
[16:02] <diddledan> awilkins: maybe "hot mamas"?
[16:02] <awilkins> "schoolgirls"
[16:02] <diddledan> lol
[16:02] <diddledan> I'm not sure I'd get away with chasing schoolgirls these days
[16:05] <shauno> cardio  *nods*
[16:06] <diddledan> I'm not sure that's a valid excuse
[16:07] <diddledan> might be worth suggesting it to every 80s icon for when they're next in line for the paedo-hunt
[16:08] <diddledan> speaking of, have we still got any left?
[16:08] <shauno> well, the chuckle brothers are still squeaky clean, surprisingly
[16:08] <diddledan> wow
[16:08] <diddledan> that really is shocking
[16:09] <shauno> also, the island was great fun.  hoping I can go back next year
[16:42] <bashrc> Ubuntu One server open sourced https://insights.ubuntu.com/2015/08/10/ubuntu-one-file-syncing-code-open-sourced
[16:45] <bashrc> this is a "code over the side" thing, but still good
[16:52] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/zh86tegf56e2a00/IMG_20150811_173451.jpg?dl=0
[16:52] <daftykins> ASRock Ion330 -> Amazon FireTV ^_^
[17:08] <diddledan> daftykins: are those firetvs any good?
[17:09] <diddledan> ssl certificate chains - which order do they need to be? i.e. root -> intermediate -> server or vicky verky?
[17:10] <daftykins> well i just sideloaded Kodi and it's playing bluray rips off my file server over wired LAN
[17:10] <diddledan> heh
[17:10] <daftykins> so... yeah if you ignore HEVC and 4K content which is obviously thin on the ground still, it's great for the £49 delivered i got it for
[17:14] <shauno> I'm screaming at kodi at the moment :/
[17:22] <diddledan> ooh, sky are giving me some monies
[17:22] <diddledan> golden handshake :-p
[17:22] <diddledan> I left them last month and it seems they want to reimburse me for the privilege
[17:23] <daftykins> shauno: oh?
[17:24] <daftykins> https://medium.com/@ValdikSS/beware-of-windows-10-dns-resolver-and-dns-leaks-5bc5bfb4e3f1
[17:24] <daftykins> hrmm
[17:25] <shauno> I can't get it to add movies to the library anymore :/
[17:25] <shauno> figured it was because I have an ancient version of xbmc, so I tried kodi instead, same deal
[17:26] <daftykins> did you let it take over your whole profile? i.e. ~/.xbmc -> ~/.kodi ?
[17:26] <daftykins> always good to start afresh when changing version imo, regardless of what they say
[17:26] <daftykins> otherwise enabling full debug logging might show it up
[17:26] <shauno> nope, they're on different devices
[17:27] <daftykins> what scraper do you use? is it film or TV?
[17:27] <daftykins> ah movies you said
[17:27] <maps> what to watch
[17:27] <shauno> yeah, I'm playing with alternatives atm.
[17:28] <shauno> just annoyed because I've never had to mess with this before.  it just worked
[17:29] <daftykins> i always install the universal scraper and leave it set to IMDb
[17:30] <daftykins> default comes from TMDb which i don't care for the ratings from :)
[17:33] <maps> 2hr break at home..do i watch home... LEGO.Justice.League.Attack.of.the.Legion.of.Doom entourage or entourage or don jon hmm
[17:35] <daftykins> watch less get out more ;)
[17:35] <maps> ive got a 2hr break a work i meant
[17:35] <maps> didnt mean to say home
[17:35] <maps> lol
[17:38] <shauno> I'm just grumpy because it used to work fine
[17:39] <brobostigon> you havent talked to my gf then, grumpyness, wooops.
[17:39] <brobostigon> sorry.
[17:40] <brobostigon> or what she thinks of me, to be precise.
[17:40] <brobostigon> sorry again.
[17:48] <shauno> that's different.  this used to work :p
[17:52] <daftykins> XD
[18:04] <daftykins> i need to stop watching this film i fired up for testing
[18:21] <zmoylan-pi> depends on the film of course...
[18:58] <diddledan> look what I just got going! https://www.dropbox.com/s/g4eg05hzu9oqix2/gem-desktop.png?dl=0
[18:58] <shauno> and I thought I was bored
[18:58] <daftykins> Lenovo in shocker - forcing software installs (allegedly) from the EFI into vanilla Windows installs
[18:59] <daftykins> http://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=29497693
[18:59] <daftykins> no idea if this is legit
[19:00] <zmoylan-pi> i'm sure it's covered in the 30 page eula somewhere
[19:01] <daftykins> ugh your comments are always the same ;/
[19:01] <zmoylan-pi> if gem had a decent browser, email client, text editor and tools i'd give it a bash
[19:02] <zmoylan-pi> i have a unopened pi2 and i keep thinking of trying risc os on it...
[19:02] <diddledan> I've got one of those, too, unopened
[19:03] <zmoylan-pi> my current pi b is still doing it's job well...
[19:04] <MartijnVdS> I installed Debian on my desktop, and it "feels" a lot faster somehow. Like when I ssh in, it's almost instant instead of the 0.5 second delay I got on ubuntu
[19:04] <MartijnVdS> what could be causing that?
[19:13] <Nokaji> MartijnVdS: As I understand it (and i know nothing), ubuntu is an all bells and whistles version, kubuntu and lubuntu are lighter weight for perhaps older systems, all of them are light compared to windows though
[19:14] <daftykins> lol.
[19:21] <DJones> I always think of kubuntu as being heavier on resources than Ubuntu (but not used it since gnome 2 days, so maybe just comparing it to that)
[19:24] <Nokaji> you could be right, I'm simply quoting one of the professional reviewers on youtube, they all have different stances, but I have to start somewhere
[19:25] <shauno> I gotta admit, it's been a whole long time since I considered ubuntu lightweight
[19:25] <daftykins> :D
[19:25] <Nokaji> it comes down to using the same kernel (kde/gnome) and then the choice of applications ... a.i.u.i.
[19:28] <Nokaji> plus of course whatever we are calling the HMI bit composed of unity or other options
[19:29] <Nokaji> I'm ofc open to better explanations/interpretations as I'm just getting started myself, really
[19:33] <DJones> shauno: Probably right there, I tried using kubuntu on a 10 year laptop about 4-5 years ago & it was struggling, now I'm on a new i7 with 8gb ram & ssd,so ubuntu flies
[19:35] <diddledan> I've decided I like systemd
[19:35] <diddledan> user-jobs are funkyawesome!
[19:36] <diddledan> no more futzing around with sudo
[19:36] <diddledan> or weird cron entries for @reboob
[19:38] <Nokaji> hmh, apparently debian has a choice of desktops but ubuntu just the one (unity) so that doesn't quite explain the lag
[19:39] <daftykins> no, ubuntu has all of them - but 'ubuntu' in name just comes with unity as default
[19:40] <daftykins> they can have unity removed or just another installed beside, making it more akin to xubuntu for xfce, kubuntu for KDE, etc etc
[19:41] <shauno> it's a weird one to pin down.  eg, his example of ssh'ing in shouldn't be affected by which desktop it has
[19:41] <daftykins> MartijnVdS: does debian have all the same automagic networking cruft that ubuntu does these days?
[19:42] <Nokaji> Indeed, and you can spend time converting one distro into another, too or filling up your drive with additional s/w but I was attempting to compare the stock versions.
[19:42] <daftykins> Nokaji: how do you claim debian to have a choice and ubuntu not, then?
[19:42] <Nokaji> when did i say that?
[19:43] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: I am using network-manager
[19:43] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: what other automagic network stuff is there?
[19:43] <daftykins> Nokaji: above when you said debian has a choice but ubuntu just comes with unity?
[19:43] <daftykins> MartijnVdS: all that dnsmasq rubbish
[19:44] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: ah yeah I have that too
[19:44] <Nokaji> daftykins: you are confusing what i said, i'm referring to stock versions
[19:44] <MartijnVdS> maybe something doesn't do a DNS lookup where Ubuntu does though
[19:44] <MartijnVdS> who knows
[19:44] <daftykins> Nokaji: no i'm asking what you meant by how debian offers a choice but ubuntu doesn't
[19:44] <daftykins> just the whole tickbox installer affair?
[19:45] <Nokaji> daftykins: never said that at all
[19:45] <daftykins> 20:38 < Nokaji> hmh, apparently debian has a choice of desktops but ubuntu just the one (unity) so that doesn't quite explain the lag
[19:45] <Nokaji> if anything i said the opposite
[19:45] <Nokaji> again, i'm referring to stock versions
[19:45] <daftykins> ok you keep going around in circles, i was just asking what you meant but i guess you don't know either :)
[19:47] <Nokaji> daftykins: we can keep going around in circles but i already answered what you are now asking - (20:42:03) Nokaji: Indeed, and you can spend time converting one distro into another - - obviously when you start modifying it form stock, you are going to affect the resultys so it makes eminent sense to refer back to sa known/stock version
[19:50] <Nokaji> daftykins: why not answer MartijnVdS's question instead of spending your time laughing at me?
[19:50] <daftykins> i'm not laughing, i asked you a genuine question to understand what you meant and you're flying off the handle
[19:51] <Nokaji> i am?
[19:51] <daftykins> mmhmm
[19:51] <ali1234> MartijnVdS: what version of debian and what version of ubuntu?
[19:52] <ali1234> my best guess would be something involving socket activation, but they should both be on systemd now
[19:53] <shauno> could it be something simple like the system info banner that ubuntu has on ssh?
[19:53] <ali1234> maybe
[19:54] <shauno> (also, why does 'date' report my time as IST.  argh!)
[19:54] <daftykins> that's true
[19:54] <ali1234> or maybe it's that weird DNS proxy stuff
[19:54] <diddledan> shauno: is that islamic state time?
[19:54] <shauno> nope, indian standard time.  apparently Ireland is now in bangalore.
[19:54] <daftykins> :D
[19:55] <shauno> seriously, there's genuine names for these timezones.  WET and WEST.  you don't have to invent more just in the mad rush to not have ireland's timezone named bst
[19:56] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: jessie and .. whatever latest non-dev ubuntu is
[19:56] <shauno> for some reason portugal manages this just fine, but ireland loses its mind and starts inventing names
[19:57] <ali1234> should have systemd then, assuming clean installs
[19:57] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: yes, both have systemd
[19:57] <ali1234> not sure what happens if you upgrade
[19:57] <ali1234> note you can have systemd without having it managing everything
[19:57] <ali1234> it's a bit of a mess to be honest
[19:57] <ali1234> all that stuff about it being easier for maintainers... no
[19:57] <ali1234> not until the old stuff is dead and buried anyway