[07:22] <knome> pleia2, ping me when you are home and have something around 30-60 minutes to debug the flyer printing process so we can finally get that done and over with
[07:26] <knome> Unit193, where's the MP to update the docs debian/ dir?
[07:46] <Unit193> I don't know?
[08:01] <knome> can you do one?
[09:25] <Unit193> knome: For what exactly?
[09:26] <knome> the dependency updates
[09:26] <Unit193> To?
[09:26] <knome> docs
[09:26] <knome> fop
[09:26] <Unit193> I see...
[09:26] <knome> you pasted me that pastebin
[09:26] <knome> so please make it a MP..
[09:27] <Unit193> I don't remember any such thing, last paste I had was for livecd-rootfs.
[09:27] <knome> maybe it was krytarik then
[09:35] <ochosi> bluesabre: what potential issue with the patched panel? and good to hear you could successfully drop it in -staging!
[09:49] <knome> ochosi, http://tracker.xubuntu.org/ppa-uploads.html
[09:55] <bluesabre> ochosi: I followed up with a "ignore me"
[09:55] <bluesabre> :p
[09:56] <bluesabre> I thought that staging had the split panel package for vivid, which required a few plugin rebuilds, but that was in staging so it was not a problem
[09:57] <knome> bbl
[10:45] <ochosi> bluesabre: oh ok, perfect. ignoring you now :)
[10:45] <bluesabre> :p
[10:45] <ochosi> knome: sweet
[10:47] <ochosi> bluesabre: so i guess this is working and we can ping flocculant about it?
[10:47] <bluesabre> ochosi: yep, it's in -staging and ready to go
[10:48] <ochosi> cool, so flocculant you can ahead and check xfce4-panel and xfpanel-switch from the staging ppa and give it a go. you can then launch xfpanel-switch from the panel preferences after the update as the new "backup and restore" button
[10:51] <bluesabre> ochosi: made the sidebar a bit nicer on catfish last night, working on making the sidebar work more nicely https://code.launchpad.net/~catfish-search/catfish-search/gtk316-csd
[10:52] <ochosi> what widgets are you using in the sidebar btw?
[10:52] <Unit193> Toggle to turn off CSD, by chance?
[10:52] <ochosi> buttons?
[10:52] <bluesabre> ochosi: ListBox
[10:52] <ochosi> oh interestig
[10:52] <bluesabre> Unit193: maybe
[10:52] <Unit193> Oooh, wasn't expecting that.
[10:52] <bluesabre> xfce handles them sanely now, so not enitrely necessary
[10:53] <ochosi> is it listbox that is not properly themed in greybird or is it catfish being a bit funky there?
[10:53] <bluesabre> well, it seems to be gtk being dumb
[10:53] <bluesabre> listboxrows for some reason are adapting the button class
[10:53] <ochosi> ooookay :)
[10:53] <bluesabre> I force remove the css class now
[10:54] <ochosi> hm, well we can throw together some css to include in catfish if you want
[10:54] <bluesabre> I fixed that last night
[10:54] <ochosi> to make it look sane in adwaita and greybird by default
[10:54] <ochosi> cool
[10:54] <bluesabre> http://i.imgur.com/gZ6YfWF.png
[10:55] <ochosi> nice, looks sane now
[10:55] <ochosi> i just pulled ;)
[10:55] <ochosi> the menuitems in the settings menu look a bit off still, but other than that it's nice now!
[10:56] <bluesabre> yeah, going to fiddle with that for a while tonight
[10:56] <ochosi> anyway, nice work!
[10:56] <ochosi> looks like the release isn't terribly far away though
[10:56] <bluesabre> this week for sure
[10:56] <bluesabre> hoping to drop a mugshot release this weekend as well
[10:56] <ochosi> the search-entry is a bit short
[10:57] <ochosi> but well
[10:57] <bluesabre> need to reach out to libreoffice packaging team today, or blacklist the human theme on the iso
[10:57] <ochosi> i think file managers work around that by showing the search in a separate row below the headerbar
[10:57] <bluesabre> yeah
[10:57] <ochosi> oh right, in that case get in touch with Sweet5hark
[10:57] <ochosi> he might not always be around, but you're looking for him
[10:57] <bluesabre> cool
[10:58] <bluesabre> ochosi: will you be around today?
[10:59] <bluesabre> it'd be cool if somebody could start prodding ubuntu-dev about an ubiquity release https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/ubiquity/trunk
[10:59] <ochosi> oh humm, i prolly won't be around during the day..
[10:59] <ochosi> would be back in about 4hrs or so
[10:59] <bluesabre> ok, there might still be a few folks around at that time
[10:59] <ochosi> maybe it's enough to poke someone once now
[11:00] <ochosi> and i can follow up on it later
[11:00] <ochosi> i can get in touch with Sweet5hark then
[11:00] <bluesabre> I'm out from soonish to +10 hours
[11:00] <ochosi> what do we want from him again?
[11:00] <ochosi> wrt the human theme i mean
[11:01] <bluesabre> alternate depends/recommends for libreoffice-gtk on libreoffice-style-human|libreoffice-style-elementary
[11:01] <bluesabre> I might be able to put together a patch before heading out
[11:05] <ochosi> ok cool
[11:05] <ochosi> gotta run now
[11:05] <ochosi> bbl
[11:06] <bluesabre> seeya
[11:21] <bluesabre> ochosi: this is the diff, basically we want libreoffice-style-elementary as an alternate Recommends for libreoffice-gtk and libreoffice-gtk3 http://paste.ubuntu.com/12054927/
[11:22] <bluesabre> not sure when lo-5 is due to be packaged, but we can probably blacklist the human theme in our seed for the meantime
[11:22] <bluesabre> gotta run, bbl
[11:29] <flocculant> bluesabre: did that lightdm upload go in - in time for live build at 09:50? if so then I guess it wasn't that
[11:29] <flocculant> still got password in livesession
[11:29] <flocculant> ochosi: ok :)
[11:40] <bluesabre> flocculant: yeah, it should be in there
[11:40] <flocculant> mmm - ok - issue elsewhere then perhaps
[11:41] <bluesabre> for reference http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/x/xubuntu-default-settings/xubuntu-default-settings_15.10.2/changelog
[11:41] <bluesabre> in case somebody wants to help in the investigation
[11:42] <flocculant> ok - well that's in the livesession ok 
[11:43] <flocculant> I guess I'll try in -release later see if I can get some interest in it
[11:43] <bluesabre> :)
[12:54] <krytarik> knome: Yes, it was me - I've noticed 'debian/copyright' in the work items too though - so how about you combine it with that? :P - http://paste.openstack.org/show/MqvUKza6T5IN3p2iZsyU/
[12:55] <knome> krytarik, please, do a MP...
[13:06] <knome> oh no, not again...
[14:21] <knome> dpm, hello!
[14:21] <dpm> o/
[14:22] <knome> so if you haven't got the information yet, we've moved the tracker to http://tracker.xubuntu.org/
[14:23] <dpm> knome, so ochosi and I had a conversation about the tracker, and when he showed it to me I thought it was something really cool to showcase. I was just going to mention it on a G+ post, but I asked him whether the server/url were already stable enough to point to, and he'd said he'd check with you
[14:23] <dpm> so here we are :)
[14:25] <dpm> essentially, it pulls data from LP blueprints as a nicer/xubuntuier frontend to replace status.u.com, correct?
[14:51] <knome> yep
[14:52] <knome> we've also been planning more stuff, like building a list of the latest uploads to our testing PPAs as well as the main repositories for packages that we are interested in
[14:52] <knome> this would especially help our testers see what has changed lately and focus on making sure new stuff that is landing is working and not regressing
[14:54] <knome> another new feature i've been preparing is pulling stuff from the QA trackers to get some information on the amount of tests ran etc
[18:29] <flocculant> ochosi: the digging at why live starts at password is ongoing 
[20:07] <flocculant> Unit193: it is apparently lightdm "lightdm now expects an actual meaningful value instead of what we're handing it for autologin-session="
[20:19] <krytarik> # user-session = Session to load for users
[20:19] <krytarik> # autologin-session = Session to load for automatic login (overrides user-session)
[20:19] <krytarik> So?
[20:20] <krytarik> → http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/wily/xubuntu-default-settings/wily/view/head:/debian/60-xubuntu.conf
[20:27] <flocculant> yea I know
[20:36] <krytarik> Obviously, we'd want to check what happens when we set "autologin-session=xubuntu", alone and alongside the current one.
[21:06] <flocculant> krytarik: we could, personally I'm going to let it get dealt with "I'll "fix" that in a second" :)
[21:06] <flocculant> it's at least Ubuntu also
[21:06] <flocculant> I'll catch up tomorrow 
[21:29] <ochosi> late evening all
[21:29] <ochosi> bluesabre: did only make it back now, so no progress on the LO stuff
[22:00] <genii> Hehe, yep
[22:04] <bluesabre> ochosi: darn
[22:06] <ochosi> and now Sweet5hark isn't around
[22:07] <bluesabre> double-darn
[22:07] <bluesabre> :D
[22:07] <ochosi> although judging from the logs, he wasn't all day :)
[22:08] <ochosi> what if we just file a bugreport or better yet a merge-request?
[22:08] <bluesabre> ochosi: yeah, that's what I need to do
[22:08] <bluesabre> nothing to merge into
[22:08] <bluesabre> so need to create a debdiff
[22:08] <ochosi> then it'd be easier to ping people about
[22:08] <ochosi> oh
[22:08] <bluesabre> yup
[22:09] <ochosi> hmm, right, it's only a packaging change
[22:09] <bluesabre> was just in a hurry this morning
[22:09] <ochosi> oh, doko would be another candidate
[22:10] <ochosi> you could try to ping him in #u-devel
[22:15] <bluesabre> yeah
[22:15] <bluesabre> creating a bug report now so we have tracking
[22:17] <ochosi> cool
[22:24] <bluesabre> ochosi: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1483914
[22:26] <ochosi> nice
[22:26] <ochosi> i'd say let's either link it to the bugs blueprint or to the dev one
[22:26] <bluesabre> I'll link it to dev
[22:27] <ochosi> sounds good
[22:27] <ochosi> wanna ping doko straight away?
[22:27] <bluesabre> done linking
[22:27] <bluesabre> sure
[22:30] <bluesabre> ochosi: feel free to add any other comments ;)
[22:30] <ochosi> k :)
[22:30] <ochosi> well doko is in the LO packaging team
[22:30] <ochosi> so i would presume he will take care of it
[22:30] <bluesabre> sensible request then
[22:31] <bluesabre> :)
[22:34] <ochosi> added a line
[22:35] <bluesabre> ochosi: cool
[22:38] <ochosi> ok, i guess i gotta get some sleep
[22:38] <ochosi> bluesabre: anything left for me to do before i take off?
[22:39] <bluesabre> nah, I'll try to get some stuff together for you to do tomorrow
[22:39] <bluesabre> ;)
[22:39] <ochosi> heh
[22:39] <ochosi> alrighty
[22:40] <ochosi> bluesabre: humm, just one more thing..
[22:40] <ochosi> the clutter bug
[22:40] <ochosi> that affects parole
[22:40] <ochosi> has that been fixed meanwhile?
[22:40] <bluesabre> ochosi: probably not
[22:40] <bluesabre> but don't know
[22:41] <ochosi> upstream claims so, but i think ebassi merged two bugs that are not the same
[22:41] <bluesabre> cool
[22:41] <bluesabre> suppose I'll have to check that out then
[22:42] <ochosi> i'll quickly fire up my wily vbox to check
[22:44] <ochosi> hmm, also, what was the outcome of your talk with Unit193 about xfpanel-switch packaging? can we add a workitem for him or what? :)
[22:45] <bluesabre> :)
[22:45] <bluesabre> one of us will write a bug report tonight for packaging in ubuntu
[22:46] <bluesabre> maybe I can convince him to tidy up the package if I write the request
[22:46] <bluesabre> :D
[22:48] <ochosi> yeah hmpf, still not fixed
[22:48] <ochosi> so clutter still has that bug
[22:50] <ochosi> oh crap
[22:50] <ochosi> totem works now
[22:50] <ochosi> so i guess we're on our own
[22:50] <ochosi> we can either skim totem's changelog for mentions of clutter-gdk or ... humm, well i dunno what else to do
[22:51] <bluesabre> fun
[22:51] <bluesabre> sounds like something that can be fixed after FF
[22:51] <bluesabre> unless somebody wants to look into it
[22:53] <krytarik> flocculant, Unit193: So, there we go :P - https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/1.364 , http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/wily/casper/wily/revision/1187
[22:53] <bluesabre> krytarik: nice!
[22:54] <krytarik> Indeed!
[22:54] <krytarik> Took me a while to find where this file is coming from. :P
[22:57] <ochosi> bluesabre: found no relevant change in totem when quickly skimming upstreams git
[22:58] <bluesabre> fun fun
[22:58] <bluesabre> gstreamer changes that we can't keep up with
[22:58] <bluesabre> like mugshot's camera
[22:58] <bluesabre> *cry*
[22:59] <ochosi> yeah
[22:59] <ochosi> also no relevant changes i could find in ubuntu's package
[23:00] <ochosi> and no patches that point in our direction
[23:00] <bluesabre> we'll figure it out
[23:00] <bluesabre> probably just need to sit down with wily and crash it a bunch to figure it out
[23:01] <ochosi> okeydokey
[23:01]  * ochosi tries to remain optimistic
[23:01] <ochosi> so let's fix mugshot's and parole's bugs post-FF
[23:01] <bluesabre> yup
[23:02] <ochosi> so that we can get the feature stuff done now
[23:02] <bluesabre> try to get new features done this week, bugs after
[23:02] <ochosi> alrighty, sounds like a plan i can fall asleep to
[23:02] <bluesabre> so new catfish/menulibre this week/early next week
[23:02] <bluesabre> and packaging
[23:03] <ochosi> sweet
[23:03] <ochosi> that should get a lot of our workitems done
[23:03] <bluesabre> mhm
[23:04] <ochosi> lol https://github.com/gmc-holle/xfdashboard/commit/965b6f01210c3c97fe5c02f3e77b7d45e481e75d
[23:05] <bluesabre> :3
[23:05] <ochosi> fwiw, adding the CLUTTER_BACKEND=x11 fixes parole
[23:05] <bluesabre> that probably won't work for very long
[23:05] <ochosi> if you want yet another hacky workaround
[23:05] <bluesabre> but good to know
[23:05] <ochosi> also, parole still segfaults when closing
[23:06] <bluesabre> yeah
[23:06] <bluesabre> bugs bugs bugs
[23:06] <ochosi> which is another, probably unreported bug
[23:06] <bluesabre> bugs
[23:06] <bluesabre> :D
[23:06] <ochosi> developers developers developers!
[23:07] <ochosi> anyhoo, time to get some sleep finally
[23:07] <ochosi> night everyone
[23:08] <bluesabre> night ochsoi
[23:08] <bluesabre> internet slowing down... uh oh
[23:08] <bluesabre> bbabl
[23:15] <ochosi> bluesabre: ok, final note: according to this bugreport https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=785538 this might be a clue https://git.gnome.org/browse/totem/commit/?id=8c15325bc12740e94000d7b42a76c2a9b5896560
[23:15] <ochosi> however, we don't have that call to set the connection-speed in parole
[23:15] <ochosi> maybe we should add it though
[23:36] <Unit193> So, Aug 20th is FF, and GCC5 hasn't fully landed yet. :D