[00:02] <Kamilion> C0deGyver: what was the issue?
[00:02] <Kamilion> one of the sticks was not fully seated or something?
[00:03] <C0deGyver> well my bro helped me pick out the RAM I thought he had picked up 8GB sticks... but they are only 4GB sticks...
[00:03] <C0deGyver> so it is showing correctly...
[00:04] <C0deGyver> not sure I am going to mess with returning the ram for the upgrade 32GB was way overkill I think
[00:05] <C0deGyver> kinda pissed at my bro now...... grrr
[00:05] <Kamilion> RAM is never overkill
[00:05] <Kamilion> your main memory transfers data at approximately 20,000MB/sec
[00:05] <Kamilion> your disk can deal with 200MB tops unless it's an SSD
[00:06] <Kamilion> It's almost always to your benefit to fill a machine full of *inexpensive* (not cheap) ram
[00:06] <C0deGyver> lol too true... so one last question (sorry)... if I install now with my 16GB of RAM and latter upgrade will I have to reinstall?
[00:06] <Kamilion> windows/linux will use the remaining free ram as a disk cache
[00:06] <Kamilion> nope
[00:06] <Kamilion> memory size is determined every boot
[00:07] <Kamilion> the only thing you can't do on a consumer system is hotadd/hotremove memory
[00:07] <Kamilion> that's reserved for 'real' servers you find in racked chassis
[00:07] <C0deGyver> sweet... was hoping you'd say that.... and the main drive (OS & software) is a 64GB ssd
[00:08] <Kamilion> intending on using it as one big server, or splitting it up with virtual machines?
[00:08] <C0deGyver> one big server... mainly TS, a few games like minecraft, a FTP / media server
[00:09] <Kamilion> ugh, TS.
[00:09] <Kamilion> I use mumble myself, cause of TS's pricing
[00:09] <Kamilion> also, avoid using classic FTP
[00:09] <Kamilion> if you're stuck with it, make sure you're using a modern ftpd that supports ssl like vsftpd
[00:10] <C0deGyver> I use TS free... and using open_ssh for ftp
[00:10] <Kamilion> but really, winscp.net for windows will let you use sftp from windows
[00:10] <Kamilion> and osx/linux all have the sftp/scp binaries available if openssh is around
[00:11] <C0deGyver> I thought windows clients can use filezilla to connect to openssh
[00:11] <Kamilion> if you ever feel like messing around with VMs, feel free to check out my lubuntu server image, kamikazi.
[00:11] <Kamilion> https://github.com/kamilion/kamikazi-deploy
[00:11] <Kamilion> yeah, filezilla also supports sftp
[00:12] <Kamilion> I happen to prefer winscp's interface though, since it supports putty/kitty's public key server pagent
[00:12] <Kamilion> i don't like having to unlock my privatekey to filezilla every time I connect
[00:13] <Kamilion> osx has a keychain, and linux has ssh-add
[00:14] <C0deGyver> Kamilion you have been awsom (putting up with my n00by ways) so has wxl.. if this was stackexchange I would up vote
[00:14] <Kamilion> we were all newbies once.
[00:14] <C0deGyver> you ar a bit over my head with that :(... server pagent?
[00:14] <wxl> no problem
[00:14] <Kamilion> the only way not to be is gaining experience
[00:14] <Kamilion> on windows, putty has a tool called pageant.exe
[00:14] <wxl> the best thing you can do to give back is contribute to the project ;)
[00:14] <Kamilion> it loads a .ppk privatekey
[00:15] <Kamilion> so you unlock your key once and other apps like kitty/putty/winscp can use the unlocked key
[00:15] <Kamilion> i have mine set so it locks if my screensaver comes on or the system goes to sleep
[00:16] <C0deGyver> I see... so I should go with winscp?
[00:16] <Kamilion> that's up to you
[00:16] <Kamilion> both filezilla and winscp are free
[00:16] <Kamilion> if you happen to like winscp better, then that's your pick! :D
[00:16] <C0deGyver> only reason for openssh is because I know it.. (used it before)
[00:17] <Kamilion> http://www.9bis.net/kitty/?page=Welcome&zone=en   <--- i like using kitty (a fork of putty)
[00:17] <C0deGyver> wow I feel like an dummy... you were talking about client software... not server... lol
[00:18] <Kamilion> https://winscp.net/eng/docs/screenshots
[00:18] <Kamilion> yeah.
[00:18] <Kamilion> 'openssh' is the server. it includes a file called 'sftp-server' and runs it instead of 'bash', which is actually what does the file transfers over the SSH channels.
[00:19] <C0deGyver> so still openssh on my server with winscp on my client
[00:19] <Kamilion> openssh also supports a VPN mode
[00:19] <Kamilion> but so far there's no windows client for it :<
[00:19] <C0deGyver> that is okay.. I use TeamViewer for that
[00:20] <Kamilion> that's remote desktop
[00:20] <Kamilion> VPN would add you remotely to the LAN
[00:20] <Kamilion> so for example, you could type in http://192.168.1.1/ while VPN'd and get the REMOTE SIDE'S router
[00:20] <C0deGyver> yea but is also kinda VPN cause you can copy host-guest and the other way
[00:21] <Kamilion> sure, you can remote desktop in, and then use the local clients to do network fileshare access or open a browser
[00:21] <Kamilion> I do that all the time too
[00:21] <C0deGyver> don't know much about VPN (obvously) but FTP combine with ssh and TeamViewer... I can do everything I need to
[00:21] <Kamilion> VPN's more useful when there's a bunch of servers on the remote end and you're talking to more than a few of them at once
[00:22] <Kamilion> yep
[00:22] <Kamilion> C0deGyver: since you don't seem to be too familiar with the linux space, you might also look at x2go http://wiki.x2go.org/doku.php
[00:22] <Kamilion> it's similar to teamviewer, providing remote desktop to linux servers
[00:23] <C0deGyver> I see... this is not a business set up probably don't't need VPN
[00:23] <C0deGyver> yea... still getting useto Linux over windows only been using it for a year. :)
[00:25] <Kamilion> http://puu.sh/jydyP/5bb65da2e3.jpg
[00:25] <Kamilion> here's a screenshot
[00:25] <Kamilion> it feels just like sitting at the computer
[00:25] <Kamilion> 3D applications like my cool retro terminal work fine
[00:25] <Kamilion> youtube video plays
[00:26] <Kamilion> sound works
[00:26] <Kamilion> trying to print shows both remote and local printers
[00:27] <Kamilion> since you're starting out, you might actually wanna play around with my ISO
[00:27] <C0deGyver> hmm... very cool... but I am too use to the GUI to use terminal that much.... thus me using lubuntu instead of ubuntu server
[00:27] <Kamilion> https://github.com/kamilion/kamikazi-deploy
[00:27] <Kamilion> http://files.sllabs.com/files/storage/xen/kamikazi/boot/isos/kamikazi64.iso   <--- linked from the readme
[00:27] <Kamilion> I took lubuntu and added a bunch of server-related stuff
[00:27] <Kamilion> it's set up to act as an "appliance image"
[00:28] <Kamilion> which means you put it on something like a 2GB/4GB usb stick and boot from there, without needing to install anything
[00:28] <Kamilion> when it starts up, it loads everything into RAM and the usb stick *can* be removed (although I leave it in)
[00:29] <Kamilion> but since you've got a reasonably blank system right now -- it's the perfect time to mess around with a livecd containing server stuff, since you can't really hurt your server when it's still blank :)
[00:30] <C0deGyver> interesting.. but mos of it would probably be over my head... think I will stick with my plan... though I appreciate the advice
[00:30] <Kamilion> but it's definitely a fast-start into all of the 'modern' linux services you'll run into today
[00:30] <C0deGyver> true.
[00:30] <Kamilion> openvswitch lets you treat any network port like a switch
[00:31] <Kamilion> ceph lets you bridge together many harddrives on many servers into one big filesystem
[00:31] <C0deGyver> noticed you are not using the LTS version any reason I should not as well?
[00:32] <Kamilion> rethinkdb does database clustering without needing a master (every system is a master)
[00:32] <Kamilion> i'm in the middle of transitioning to the new init system found in 15.04, systemd
[00:32] <C0deGyver> yea... you are so far over my head I can't even see you (lol)
[00:32] <Kamilion> it will become the default in 16.04 (april 2016's release)
[00:33] <Kamilion> so I am updating things early before the next LTS (16.04)
[00:33] <C0deGyver> cool
[00:33] <Kamilion> so it's all debugged and working for an LTS
[00:33] <Kamilion> you, want to stick to the LTS
[00:33] <Kamilion> because you're doing an installation
[00:33] <Kamilion> mine is an appliance image -- you just replace the .iso to upgrade
[00:33] <Kamilion> there's no installation
[00:34] <C0deGyver> once again I cannot thank you enough for the help
[00:34] <Kamilion> one big 900MB file gets changed out for a new 900MB file with newer packages
[00:34] <Kamilion> anytime -- just highlight me if there's any other hardware-style questions
[00:34] <Kamilion> I'm terrible at software development though
[00:35] <Kamilion> oh, and some advice
[00:35] <Kamilion> if you're doing web hosting
[00:35] <Kamilion> use nginx, not apache
[00:35] <C0deGyver> if I thought I would understand more of the stuff you have changed I might use yours... but I am new to linux still and veen newer to servers.. (this is my first)
[00:35] <Kamilion> you'll see a lot (and i mean A LOT) of howtos and stuff still using apache
[00:35] <Kamilion> but it's old and memory hungry and kind of creaky
[00:36] <Kamilion> and way tougher to configure than it should be
[00:36] <Kamilion> so save yourself some headache and use a newer one like nginx that has a simple config file
[00:36] <C0deGyver> not hosing a website so I am good there. I have to go now.. supper time and I am starving :)
[00:37] <Kamilion> http://www.zentyal.org/
[00:37] <Kamilion> save that link before ya go
[00:37] <Kamilion> it's the easy way into an ubuntu server
[00:37] <C0deGyver> saved thanks and bye
[00:37] <Kamilion> takes care of all the config for you
[00:37] <Kamilion> just use your web browser to configure it
[00:37] <C0deGyver> cool
[00:37] <Kamilion> like a router
[00:37] <C0deGyver> bye
[00:37] <Kamilion> cheers, enjoy your dinner.
[00:38] <Kamilion> i just wish zentyal didn't use apache :<
[01:15] <ianorlin> Kamilion: wow blast from the past talking about wayland https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeoOlDzRcKY
[01:15] <Kamilion> hahah, good ol' dave
[21:12] <linux_> Hello I need help.
[21:12] <wxl> ask away mr. linux_
[21:14] <linux_> Every time I log off my wallpaper and icon placement gets reset. I tried deleting my lxsession folder as it says here since it sounded like a similar problem. http://askubuntu.com/questions/451858/blank-desktop-after-upgrading-lubuntu-to-the-next-version
[21:14] <linux_> using latest Lubuntu btw
[21:28] <linux_> hello?
[22:59] <RandomUser_> Hi guys
[23:00] <RandomUser_> Hi guys, I have some problems creating links to files on my desktop. I can't find an option to make an alias on my desktop through PC File Manager
[23:02] <RandomUser_> Hi guys
[23:03] <RandomUser_> Problem solved