| VN_ | hi | 01:07 |
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| VN_ | any men from vietnam | 01:07 |
| VN_ | ? | 01:07 |
| OerHeks | VN_, try #ubuntu-vn | 01:14 |
| VN_ | how to make device tree men? | 01:17 |
| VN_ | can i folow this page http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2010281 | 01:17 |
| VN_ | mtk device anroid 4.4.2 | 01:17 |
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| dholbach | good morning | 06:57 |
| zzarr | good morning | 07:44 |
| seb128 | mpt, hey, I noticed you triaged quite some phone/sound bugs, do you know if bug #1483888 is already reported and what would be the right component? (ringtone/alarms going through the headset only, unsure if that's wanted or a bug) | 07:52 |
| ubot5 | bug 1483888 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu) "Aquaris E5: Ringtone + buzzer cannot be heard when jack/headphones plugged" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1483888 | 07:52 |
| mcphail | Is there any possibility the XDG_whatever paths could be replumbed to something friendlier? The current system feels hostile. | 09:51 |
| ogra_ | in what way ? | 09:51 |
| mcphail | ogra_: let me give you an example... | 09:51 |
| mcphail | ogra_: I have been testing the UbuntuBoy GB-emulator app. I click the button to select a ROM... | 09:52 |
| mcphail | ogra_: I choose the File Manager app. A few seconds later, it opens | 09:52 |
| mcphail | ogra_: I then have to click "unlock full access", then "show hidden files" to navigate into the _hidden_and_locked_ .local/share/appname/sync folder where my ROMS have been synced by another app | 09:53 |
| mcphail | ogra_: not very user friendly | 09:53 |
| ogra_ | yeah, a drawback of our security policy | 09:54 |
| mcphail | ogra_: having an important user path under a .dot directory is madness, though | 09:55 |
| ogra_ | yes, but unless our security management changes this will have to stay this way | 09:55 |
| ogra_ | snappy will make other things possible, it is more flexible | 09:55 |
| mcphail | ogra_: why? Why can't the xdg path be changed to ~/local/share rather than ~/.local/share? | 09:56 |
| ogra_ | because there should be a download service that allows your first app to simply download to ~/Downloads ;) | 09:57 |
| mcphail | true... | 09:57 |
| ogra_ | or even one that allows you to have it create ~/Downloads/ROMs | 09:57 |
| ogra_ | i think we're just not there yet | 09:57 |
| mcphail | ogra_: even a default symlink would be a useful interim measure | 09:58 |
| ogra_ | talk to teh security team, i'm sure that has come up before and they will know teh reason why it doesnt happen :) | 09:58 |
| mcphail | hokay | 09:59 |
| ogra_ | (there is also a lot of documentation https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Specifications/ApplicationConfinement and https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/platform/guides/app-confinement/ that might already explain it) | 09:59 |
| * mcphail can't believe he missed ogra_'s "snappy will fix it" comment! | 10:00 | |
| mcphail | ogra_: yes, I've read those pages. I'm quite happy for apps to be confined to certain directories, but just not sure why that particular directory path was chosen | 10:01 |
| popey | mcphail: don't worry, I saw it | 10:02 |
| ogra_ | popey highlights on it ;) | 10:02 |
| ogra_ | if $phrase = ... then ;) | 10:03 |
| popey | I dont need to | 10:03 |
| dholbach | can somebody add "snappy will fix it" to the /topic? :-P | 10:36 |
| ogra_ | haha | 10:36 |
| nlsthzn | not sure if right channel but I got my MX4 yesterday and I can't seem to find much resources online to assist me with some questions I have :/ - first one how do I know that I am fully up to date - I read OTA 5 is available but the update that installed right after boot said something about being #3 (in about phone shows 15.04 (r3)... | 10:43 |
| jgdx | nlsthzn, that is the latest. | 10:45 |
| ogra_ | yeah, and here is a good place for questions ... | 10:45 |
| ogra_ | (and on the ubuntu-phone mailing list) | 10:45 |
| * nlsthzn needs to subscribe ASAP then :) | 10:46 | |
| nlsthzn | oh and thanks for the answer | 10:46 |
| jgdx | nlsthzn, what else d'you got? | 10:46 |
| nlsthzn | initially the home scope showed weather in degC, after update in Fahrenheit. How do I change it, the app itself is in degC still? | 10:46 |
| ogra_ | it picks that from your language settings, this sounds like a bug actually | 10:48 |
| nlsthzn | bug after latest update then it seems | 10:51 |
| nlsthzn | what is the easiest way to manage passwords currently. I use keepass for PC and on android so all my passwords are crazy complex so logging into stuff with the ubu phone is horrendous currently... | 10:51 |
| nlsthzn | seems there is some fixes coming to the today scope it OTA-6 ... so I will wait :) | 10:54 |
| * nlsthzn is a noob... which mailing lists are the best for me to join? I am end-user all the way but will inevitably try something cool and break stuff ?! | 10:57 | |
| ogra_ | https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone | 10:58 |
| ogra_ | join that team ... | 10:58 |
| ogra_ | (iirc that automatically makes youo also join the list) | 10:59 |
| nlsthzn | thanks ogra_ joined that one and the core apps list for now | 10:59 |
| robin-hero | Hey, I restarted my phone today and from there I have a different keyboard. Is this a bug or a feature? :D http://i.imgur.com/90nI2Bb.png | 10:59 |
| ogra_ | looks funny :) | 10:59 |
| ogra_ | what channel is that ? | 11:00 |
| robin-hero | The stable one :) | 11:00 |
| robin-hero | on BQ E4.5 | 11:00 |
| nlsthzn | missing some grey highlighting between buttons | 11:00 |
| ogra_ | yeah, looks like the key shapes are gone | 11:00 |
| ogra_ | robin-hero, worth filing a bug against ubuntu-keyboard i guess :) | 11:01 |
| robin-hero | Restarted again, and it is okay now :) | 11:01 |
| robin-hero | Never seen this before | 11:02 |
| ogra_ | still weird | 11:02 |
| ogra_ | yeah | 11:02 |
| nocomp | hi folks | 11:15 |
| jgdx | Elleo, ping— | 11:15 |
| nocomp | i own a mx4 ubuntu edition and i wanted to know | 11:16 |
| nocomp | how i can flash and test beta | 11:16 |
| nocomp | for help debug | 11:16 |
| nocomp | instead of just waiting for official release | 11:16 |
| nocomp | anybody here for help? | 11:16 |
| robin-hero | hi nocomp : https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/image-channels/ | 11:17 |
| nocomp | ok | 11:17 |
| nocomp | i check | 11:17 |
| nocomp | thxxx | 11:17 |
| robin-hero | And use rc-proposed | 11:17 |
| nocomp | oki | 11:18 |
| nocomp | and this one? | 11:18 |
| nocomp | Meizu MX4Run a well tested OSubuntu-touch/stable/meizu.en | 11:18 |
| ogra_ | sudo system-image-cli --switch=ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/meizu.en -v | 11:18 |
| robin-hero | This is the stable one :) | 11:18 |
| ogra_ | you want this command ... | 11:18 |
| robin-hero | I think you use it that already :) | 11:18 |
| ogra_ | that switches you over to the rc-proposed channel | 11:18 |
| nocomp | oki | 11:19 |
| nocomp | http://system-image.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/ | 11:19 |
| nocomp | last build is in may??? | 11:19 |
| ogra_ | (you run that on the device) | 11:19 |
| nocomp | yep ogra_ | 11:19 |
| ogra_ | http://system-image.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/meizu.en/arale/ | 11:19 |
| robin-hero | http://system-image.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/meizu.en/arale/ | 11:19 |
| ogra_ | last build is today ;) | 11:19 |
| robin-hero | ohh, you are faster :D | 11:19 |
| ogra_ | (the channel was created in may) | 11:19 |
| nocomp | ok | 11:20 |
| nocomp | thxx | 11:20 |
| nocomp | i ll have a look tonite | 11:20 |
| nocomp | no other way from the device | 11:20 |
| nocomp | to add a ppa for the update? | 11:20 |
| nocomp | using term | 11:20 |
| nocomp | i have to go | 11:21 |
| nocomp | i ll beback tonite and check | 11:21 |
| nocomp | thxx a lot | 11:21 |
| CoLa | hi, currently following the touch porting guide, did run phablet-dev-bootstrap, but there are no kernel/ and vendor/ folders afterwards, am I missing a step? | 11:22 |
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| jgdx | ted, do you know who's being dispatched image:/// urls? The dump doesn't tell | 11:31 |
| mardy | dpm: hi! Do you happen to know where the qtquick.css and base.css files which we use when documenting QML modules with qdoc come from? | 11:38 |
| dpm | mardy, what do you mean where they come from? Who created them? | 11:39 |
| greyback | mardy: uitk has those files | 11:41 |
| greyback | but seems other projects can define their own too | 11:42 |
| dpm | mardy, if you mean those in .deb packages, no idea. If you mean on developer.ubuntu.com, mhall119 created the CSS based on the Ubuntu Web Guidelines | 11:42 |
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| jgdx | !recovery | 11:59 |
| ubot5 | You need to use the right recovery.img for your device when flashing with adb: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices#Working_with_ubuntu-device-flash | 11:59 |
| john-mcaleely | oooh | 11:59 |
| john-mcaleely | nice | 11:59 |
| jgdx | quite handy! | 12:01 |
| mardy | dpm, greyback: thanks; yes, it's about those in the debs, I'll try looking at those in the uitk then | 12:02 |
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| jdstrand | mcphail: we can't change the xdg directory cause that could break stuff. there is a storage api that people are working on that should help with things like this | 13:12 |
| mcphail | jdstrand: anything hardcoded to that path could be considered broken anyway | 13:13 |
| mcphail | jdstrand: and any brekage would be ameliorated by providing a simlink from ~/.local/share to a "nice" directory | 13:15 |
| jdstrand | yes but 'local' is non-standard and '.local' is standard. that said, this sort of thing is known to be an issue and something the storage api is meant to address | 13:15 |
| jdstrand | mcphail: no, a symlink won't work | 13:15 |
| mcphail | jdstrand: what would break with a simlink? | 13:16 |
| jdstrand | apparmor resolves symlinks (for security reasons) | 13:16 |
| mcphail | aah | 13:16 |
| * mcphail is thwarted | 13:16 | |
| mcphail | jdstrand: the whole point of having an xdg path in the first place is so that ".local" is _not_ standard. Hard coded paths are evil | 13:17 |
| jdstrand | I don't disagree with you, but putting it as a non-hidden directory suggests that people should dig around in there, when they really shouldn't | 13:18 |
| jdstrand | the fix is in the storage api | 13:18 |
| jdstrand | so situations like this are properly handled | 13:18 |
| mcphail | jdstrand: ok, I'll await ti with interest :) - Thanks | 13:18 |
| ProstheticS | [/join #crypto | 13:20 |
| ProstheticS | oops, sorry | 13:20 |
| ogra_ | ProstheticS, now you are safe :) | 13:20 |
| Kai | Installed touch on my Nexus 7 | 13:23 |
| Kai | why are there phone and messaging apps? | 13:23 |
| ProstheticS | now im safe? i wasnt before? | 13:24 |
| tshirtman | you were not, and you are not, and you won't be | 13:25 |
| tshirtman | :) | 13:25 |
| ProstheticS | i feel pretty safe. | 13:26 |
| tshirtman | that's how they want you to feel | 13:29 |
| ogra_ | ProstheticS, you joined crypto ... that must have made you safer ;) | 13:40 |
| Mirv | mardy: as you're not directly subscribed to bug #1433442 , pinging so you can give the silo a try (on vivid-overlay phone) | 13:41 |
| ubot5 | bug 1433442 in qtdeclarative-opensource-src (Ubuntu) "QML's ListView currentItem changes on resize" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1433442 | 13:41 |
| Mirv | mardy: ...and report back to the bug report. | 13:41 |
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| mardy | Mirv: thanks, I'll try | 13:47 |
| ProstheticS | ogra: perhaps, i used crypto much before ever joining that channel though :p that channels just informative/funny for some of the discussions | 13:51 |
| ProstheticS | actually, theres a question, any thought gone into allowing the home dir of ubuntu phones to be encrypted ? | 13:53 |
| ogra_ | yes | 13:53 |
| ogra_ | also full disk encryption is planned | 13:53 |
| ProstheticS | winner | 13:53 |
| ogra_ | but the current desiggn wont allow that | 13:54 |
| ogra_ | there wil have to be some changes in the foundation | 13:54 |
| ProstheticS | considering i imagine at the factory they're just ploopping immages onto phones, how will you handle having different master keys per phone | 13:54 |
| popey | wait for it.... wait for it...... | 13:54 |
| ProstheticS | (if luks is to be the chosen format of course) | 13:54 |
| ogra_ | by shipping them unencrypted ;) | 13:54 |
| ProstheticS | ah, yea i figured :) | 13:54 |
| ogra_ | and make encryption an optional step opn first boot | 13:54 |
| mcphail | snappy will fix it! | 13:54 |
| popey | there it is! | 13:55 |
| ogra_ | thanks mcphail ! | 13:55 |
| mcphail | :) | 13:55 |
| ProstheticS | just dont do a microsoft 'oh we'll make all new stuff get encrypted automatically for windows 10, and better yet, we'll send recovery keys to our own servers ' | 13:55 |
| ProstheticS | :p | 13:55 |
| ogra_ | well, thats less a snappy issue (though yes, it will surely help fixing it) than it is a lightdm one ;) | 13:55 |
| popey | we'll ship a printer with every phone and it prints out your key :) | 13:55 |
| ProstheticS | i'de assume you'de have to have the encryption(full disk) live long before lightdm is up | 13:56 |
| ogra_ | nah, we wont send keys to our own servers ... | 13:56 |
| ogra_ | with might send them to microsofts though :P | 13:56 |
| mcphail | jdstrand: when the storage api comes around, will it have support for Ubuntu One? | 13:56 |
| ogra_ | lol | 13:56 |
| ProstheticS | jsut for shits n giggles ogra? :p | 13:56 |
| ogra_ | mcphail, you want to re-vive the dead horse, eh ? | 13:56 |
| mcphail | ogra_: it has been revived | 13:56 |
| mcphail | ogra_: released a couple of days ago | 13:57 |
| * ogra_ thinks an owncloud client would be cleverer and more widely used | 13:57 | |
| ogra_ | mcphail, i know :) | 13:57 |
| mcphail | :) | 13:57 |
| ProstheticS | (sshfs works now, its a mighty small install too) | 13:57 |
| ogra_ | my colleagues talk to me sometimes | 13:57 |
| ProstheticS | i use that | 13:57 |
| ProstheticS | very few dependencies | 13:57 |
| ogra_ | (if i say less than ten times a day tha snappy will fix it at least) | 13:57 |
| mcphail | ha | 13:57 |
| ProstheticS | be awesome if it were cooked in tbh, but i wont hold my breath as im sure its not a feature that is widely requested | 13:58 |
| mcphail | ogra_: snappy would be great for packaging ubuntu one, though | 13:58 |
| ogra_ | go ahead !!! dont hold back !! | 13:58 |
| ProstheticS | mcphail: is there anything it wouldnt be great for packaging? :p | 13:58 |
| mcphail | ProstheticS: yes, unfortunately | 13:58 |
| ProstheticS | (i was being a smartass) | 13:58 |
| jdstrand | mcphail: that is an interesting question, but unrelated I think. Ubuntu One integration is supposed to be done via u1db aiui, and if you use u1db, then you will have this when it is available. perhaps kalikiana and/or beuno can comment more on u1db and syncing with Ubuntu One | 13:58 |
| ogra_ | jdstrand, the file clicent was removed from the seed ... we'd have to put it back | 13:59 |
| jdstrand | mcphail: (fyi, you can use u1db today, but the remote syncing isn't there afaik) | 13:59 |
| ogra_ | asnd i have no clue if that is even able to connect to random servers | 13:59 |
| mcphail | jdstrand: a sync api and a storage api would be natural bedfellows | 13:59 |
| ProstheticS | a while ago i saw a screenshot from a dev, he had a meizu, but he had it output on a larger monitor (had openoffice going through Xmir) , ive tried a 5pin and 11pin mhl adapter, and had no joy(even though the port aparently supports it?) is there a software limitation that would be stopping this, or is it purely hardware, IE i can never get that going? | 14:00 |
| ogra_ | i doubt that was a meizu | 14:00 |
| ProstheticS | and in that case, what was he using to screencast? surely not vnc | 14:00 |
| ogra_ | more likely a nexus4 | 14:00 |
| ProstheticS | ah :( | 14:01 |
| ProstheticS | bummer | 14:01 |
| ProstheticS | i got so excited when i connected a bluetooth mouse and it went all desktop mode | 14:01 |
| ogra_ | and the nexus4 is us usable with a HDMI adapter | 14:01 |
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| ProstheticS | was hoping i could output to a monitor (dont care how it gets there) and then pair a keyboard and have a great old time messing ronud | 14:01 |
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| ogra_ | yeah, i dont thik you will with the MX4 | 14:02 |
| ProstheticS | :( | 14:02 |
| ProstheticS | bummer | 14:02 |
| ogra_ | the driver wont allow it | 14:02 |
| ProstheticS | oh well, was a cheap phone and im having fun messing with it for now | 14:02 |
| ProstheticS | definately usable as a daily driver for me, as i never much used any apps, just web browser/youtube/mail/messaging/phone | 14:03 |
| ProstheticS | all of which ive got covered on this | 14:03 |
| * ogra_ hasnt used any other phone in 1.5 years | 14:03 | |
| ProstheticS | infact, i went one furhter, im in london, and the tube sucks for coverage, so i installed ytfs (youtube fuse filesystem) and made a script that goes to the channels im interested in, downloads latest 2 videos to the phone for watching on tube | 14:04 |
| ogra_ | well, the MX4 only for 6 months now ... but the bq before | 14:04 |
| ProstheticS | it does that every morning at 5am | 14:05 |
| popey | thats neat | 14:05 |
| ogra_ | now the "tube" in youtube makes so much more sense :) | 14:07 |
| ProstheticS | yea, garuntees its on wifi and charge that way, its pretty awesome to just have the usual tools to work with for this type of crap | 14:08 |
| mcphail | ProstheticS: how do you trigger that? My cron jobs don't run when the phone is slepping | 14:08 |
| mcphail | *sleeping | 14:08 |
| ProstheticS | raspi triggers it (garuntees it'll only do it if its on wifi) | 14:08 |
| ProstheticS | :p | 14:08 |
| ProstheticS | i know i could check if wifi in the script using network manager | 14:09 |
| ProstheticS | but the raspberry pi is sitting there anyway, doing stuff for me, might as well trigger this | 14:09 |
| mcphail | sounds very clever, but a bit beyond my skills :) | 14:09 |
| ProstheticS | its easy man | 14:09 |
| ProstheticS | pip3 install ytfs , then u put my script on your phone, and a cronjob on your rasberry pi | 14:09 |
| ogra_ | you sould make a snap for it ;) | 14:10 |
| ProstheticS | i also have a networkmanager script in place ,where any time my phone gets onto a wifi network, it ssh's my rasberry pi with a remote tunnel, so that instead of having to find my phones ip on a given network, i can always ssh my pi, and bounce onto the phone through it | 14:10 |
| ProstheticS | mcphail, i didnt know cron wouldnt trigger if the phone was asleep, good to know, because tbh i was gonna remove hte part on the pi and put it in cron with a networkmanager check to make sure it was on my local wifi | 14:13 |
| ProstheticS | wont bother now :p | 14:13 |
| mcphail | ProstheticS: yes - think cron didn't work when I last checked, although that might have changed | 14:13 |
| popey | i fix my phone IP in the dhcp server | 14:14 |
| popey | so i know what IP all my ubuntu phones are | 14:14 |
| ProstheticS | popey: on other networks | 14:14 |
| popey | I never take my home server to other networks :) | 14:15 |
| ProstheticS | for example at work place where phones are generally only on guest network, but workstations are on internal | 14:15 |
| ProstheticS | i connect to my home server form the other network | 14:15 |
| popey | right, neat | 14:15 |
| ProstheticS | :) | 14:15 |
| ProstheticS | theres method to my stupidness | 14:15 |
| ProstheticS | i have ssh setup in such a way that i 'ssh phone' and it bounces through the pi to my phone | 14:16 |
| popey | heh | 14:16 |
| mcphail | ProstheticS: the packets make a 2000 mile round trip to your pocket :) | 14:17 |
| ProstheticS | i know :) | 14:17 |
| mcphail | we _are_ living in the future | 14:17 |
| mcphail | :) | 14:17 |
| ProstheticS | well, i dont use it unless A) i cbf finding its ip when im on the same network, or B) im in a place where im on one network and its on another | 14:18 |
| mcphail | Grr - why does "checking for updates" sometime spin forever? | 14:18 |
| ProstheticS | but at the time i set it up, i was in a palce where i wasnt on the same network, so it made sense | 14:18 |
| ProstheticS | and now im just lazy and typing ssh phone rather then workign out its ip and sshing at that is easier :p | 14:19 |
| ogra_ | popey, how do you fix our IP for the arale ? given it changes MAC on every boot | 14:19 |
| * ogra_ is supre annoyed by that ... started after the first OTA | 14:19 | |
| mcphail | ogra_: you must be using kali-touch :) | 14:19 |
| ogra_ | hah | 14:20 |
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| fgmeizu | hello guys anybody that can help me out with rss feeds | 14:21 |
| ProstheticS | does it do that on all devices ogra? | 14:21 |
| ProstheticS | IE my phone is changing mac every boot? | 14:21 |
| ogra_ | my bq doesnt | 14:22 |
| ogra_ | my MX4 started doing it after the first OTA went out | 14:22 |
| ogra_ | i get a new IP every boot while the bq ones permanently recieve the same | 14:22 |
| mcphail | Is the Updates server down? | 14:22 |
| ProstheticS | :D its just for super secret agents ogra | 14:22 |
| ProstheticS | the target market. | 14:22 |
| ogra_ | hah | 14:23 |
| ProstheticS | oh, actually, while you guys are about, is there a way to register the video player directly in the file browser (atm if i click a video, it asks to launch gallery, then i have to launch the video) | 14:24 |
| ProstheticS | i htink i asked this like a week or so ago, sorry for the repeat | 14:24 |
| ProstheticS | no-one was round to answer last time i dont think | 14:25 |
| ogra_ | "while you guys are about" ? | 14:25 |
| ogra_ | are we at any time not about ? | 14:25 |
| ogra_ | :P | 14:26 |
| ProstheticS | well, while you're talkative :p | 14:26 |
| mcphail | s/talkative/sober | 14:26 |
| fgmeizu | anybody tried this carla sella tutorial with scopecreator by chance | 14:26 |
| fgmeizu | make a scope in 5 mins | 14:26 |
| mcphail | fgmeizu: that was on my todo list for this weekend, actually | 14:26 |
| fgmeizu | I have a few q's | 14:26 |
| davidcalle | fgmeizu, I can try to answer them | 14:27 |
| ProstheticS | funny, i was looking at packaging up some html5 games for myself just for a mess around, everyoen does different stuff to learn on these | 14:28 |
| popey | ogra_: it doesnt here | 14:28 |
| popey | my mx4 is broken, cracked screen :( | 14:28 |
| ogra_ | mine is scratched but still usable | 14:29 |
| fgmeizu | davidcalle first: message root is ignoring missing ubuntu-sdk-framework 15.04 | 14:29 |
| ogra_ | hmm, i wonder then why mine started doing that | 14:29 |
| fgmeizu | second I do not see any contents in my scope | 14:30 |
| Kai | would it be possible to convert ubuntu touch into desktop ubuntu? | 14:30 |
| Kai | or have a switcher? | 14:30 |
| fgmeizu | channels. json file filled but nada | 14:30 |
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| davidcalle | could you paste your channels.json on paste.ubuntu.com and give me the link? | 14:31 |
| popey | ogra_: mine has had a fixed IP for months now, never changes. | 14:31 |
| davidcalle | fgmeizu, ^ | 14:31 |
| ogra_ | popey, mine used to ... til the very first OTA | 14:31 |
| popey | odd | 14:31 |
| popey | wonder if you missed a firmware update | 14:31 |
| ogra_ | or ondra made a mistake when re-partitioning it for me in austin :) | 14:32 |
| ProstheticS | are the OTA's ever going to be just plain old images? IE if i repartition, im gonna break my ability to receive OTAs? | 14:32 |
| ogra_ | yes | 14:33 |
| ProstheticS | bummer :( | 14:33 |
| ProstheticS | :p | 14:33 |
| ogra_ | well, you might recieve them but they wont apply or will break when applying | 14:33 |
| fgmeizu | david calle yes just tell me how | 14:33 |
| ogra_ | luckily the snappy images wont have apt support at all anymore so auch stuff wont even come to mind anymore ;) | 14:34 |
| ProstheticS | i wanted to make my system partition a bit bigger , because last time ota came out, i had to apt-get remove a few packages ide added, apply OTA, and re-install them so i had the sapce :p | 14:34 |
| ProstheticS | no apt? however will i get my sshfs? :D | 14:34 |
| ogra_ | yeah, you shouldnt add packages :) | 14:34 |
| ogra_ | by rolling a snap for it | 14:35 |
| ProstheticS | i know i know, but thats where the funs at | 14:35 |
| ogra_ | nah | 14:35 |
| kalikiana | mcphail: jdstrand u1db has cloud sync on the roadmap. even a work in progress branch somewhere, but it still needs work. however note that's for databases not necessarily for arbitrary big files you might need to store | 14:35 |
| ogra_ | the fun isnt in a dusty ... 30 year old packaging system | 14:35 |
| ProstheticS | its ok, however it works , i'll find a way! | 14:35 |
| ogra_ | the fun lies ahead ;) | 14:35 |
| ProstheticS | i WILL have my sshfs on phones! | 14:35 |
| ProstheticS | and youtube downloader | 14:35 |
| ogra_ | you definitely will :) | 14:35 |
| ogra_ | that too | 14:35 |
| ogra_ | just wirhout needing to break the OS for it | 14:36 |
| ProstheticS | its not broken, itj ust needs some things undone so i can update, and then redone after :D | 14:36 |
| ProstheticS | semi broken | 14:36 |
| ProstheticS | perhaps | 14:36 |
| ProstheticS | :D | 14:36 |
| mcphail | kalikiana: intersting devlopment, nevertheless. Thanks! | 14:36 |
| fgmeizu | davidcalle oef i am not so familiar whit tirc so i understand you send me your email?....coded | 14:37 |
| ogra_ | ProstheticS, why dont you do it separately ... outside of /system ? | 14:37 |
| ProstheticS | so no-one had an idea on setting it so wihtin file manager the video player launches video files directly, instead of gallery guys? | 14:37 |
| ProstheticS | Ogra: probably will next time actually | 14:37 |
| ogra_ | +1 | 14:37 |
| ogra_ | :) | 14:37 |
| ProstheticS | i'll flash my device to clean it up and then apply the next ota most likely | 14:38 |
| ProstheticS | and then go silly on my other modifications | 14:38 |
| ogra_ | btw, scp works without any modifications ;) | 14:39 |
| ogra_ | just write a wrapper | 14:39 |
| ProstheticS | I only wish the meizu supported an SD card, 16gb total is a little restrictive when you're doing stupid thing like cacheing hte last 2-3 videos of like 5 channels on your device | 14:39 |
| ProstheticS | especially when one of them is a dota 2 pro games channel, so some of them are hour + videos | 14:40 |
| ProstheticS | ogra: so much nicer to have dispatcher.d automount sshfs whenever im on wifi :( | 14:40 |
| mcphail | ProstheticS: you can use syncthing :) | 14:41 |
| mcphail | ProstheticS: "the file sync that never sleeps" :) | 14:41 |
| fgmeizu | davidcalle I put it on pastebin | 14:43 |
| ProstheticS | but yer, i could definately justm ake it scp all my files in the dirs i want synced | 14:43 |
| mcphail | Is there a way to stop the gallery app trawling a directory for pictures? | 14:44 |
| ogra_ | thats not the gallery app :) | 14:44 |
| ogra_ | its mediscanner | 14:44 |
| ProstheticS | mcphail: you can use .nomedia | 14:45 |
| mcphail | ogra_: yes - but I want to trawl the directory for music, but not pictures | 14:45 |
| ProstheticS | touch /path/to/dir/.nomedia | 14:45 |
| ogra_ | i dont think thats possible atm | 14:45 |
| ProstheticS | doesnt that do it? | 14:45 |
| ogra_ | oh ? | 14:45 |
| ProstheticS | ohhhhhhhhhh | 14:45 |
| ogra_ | might be i'm wrong :) | 14:45 |
| mcphail | ProstheticS: I think that would break the music files | 14:45 |
| ProstheticS | he wants to search for pictures but not video for example | 14:45 |
| mcphail | (if it works) | 14:45 |
| ProstheticS | yea i think ur in trouble there mcphail | 14:45 |
| ProstheticS | ogra: i think .nomedia works , i had a file that was killing mediscanner ,causing it to loop, Start, sping up, die, start spin up die, i put the file and it didnt seem to come back | 14:46 |
| ProstheticS | but not for what he wants | 14:46 |
| mcphail | Problem is my gllery gets bogged down with album art | 14:46 |
| mcphail | *gallery | 14:47 |
| Kai | k1l_: so would I be able to use the UNity 8 windowed mode? | 14:53 |
| Kai | like here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/3gky85/ubuntu_phone_see_what_your_phone_can_do_in/ | 14:53 |
| k1l_ | Kai: that is running ubuntu touch on a smartphone and attaching a BT mouse/keyboard. | 14:54 |
| Kai | k1l_: so it'll just change if I connect a mouse? any way to do it while in touch? | 14:55 |
| Kai | touchscreen^ | 14:55 |
| k1l_ | Kai: that doesnt make sense. since you cant use that windows with a finger. | 14:56 |
| Kai | eh. doesn't seem to switch with a usb mouse | 14:56 |
| guest42345 | i have only 2 fingers :( cut the rest of them with an axe :( | 14:57 |
| k1l_ | Kai: what device are you on? | 14:57 |
| Kai | k1l_: n7 | 14:57 |
| Kai | 201 | 14:57 |
| Kai | 3 | 14:57 |
| k1l_ | does it have the latest ubuntu touch? | 14:57 |
| Kai | I'm running the 2nd stable build. Should I try one of the nightlies? | 14:58 |
| dobey | you can switch to the rc-proposed channel maybe | 14:58 |
| k1l_ | all the new stuff is in the nightlies only iirc. | 14:59 |
| Kai | yeah ok downloading the latest nightly build | 14:59 |
| k1l_ | since that is all testing stuff. not stable yet | 14:59 |
| dobey | you don't want to run devel-proposed, if that's what you mean by "nightly build" | 14:59 |
| ogra_ | rc-proposed is the right "nightly build" :) | 15:00 |
| dobey | right | 15:00 |
| mcphail | Can I poke someone to, at least, set a priority on https://bugs.launchpad.net/media-hub/+bug/1449790 ? It is affecting multiple users and attracting multiple duplicates | 15:03 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1449790 in Media Hub "Fails to play a file with a # (hash symbol) in the path" [Undecided,Triaged] | 15:03 |
| jhodapp | mcphail, it's on the backlog for the team | 15:04 |
| mcphail | jhodapp: cheers | 15:04 |
| jhodapp | mcphail, it wouldn't be a hard thing to fix...if you want to take a stab at it I'd help you get set up in fixing it | 15:05 |
| mcphail | jhodapp: yes, I'd be interested | 15:06 |
| jhodapp | mcphail, have some C/C++ experience? | 15:06 |
| mcphail | jhodapp: I know enough C to get by | 15:06 |
| mcphail | jhodapp: modern C++ with templates etc is a bit beyond me | 15:06 |
| jhodapp | mcphail, alright, this is literally just doing some sanity checking on the filename string | 15:06 |
| jhodapp | mcphail, you wouldn't need to know any of that | 15:07 |
| jhodapp | mcphail, what phone hardware do you have? | 15:07 |
| mcphail | jhodapp: krillin | 15:07 |
| mcphail | jhodapp: (unfotunately one I can't break as I need it for work) | 15:07 |
| * mcphail really needs to get a dev device | 15:08 | |
| jhodapp | mcphail, alright, that might be a problem | 15:10 |
| jhodapp | mcphail, do you have the root image as writable, or still read only? | 15:10 |
| mcphail | jhodapp: generaly read only. I remount rw to add gdbserver to /usr/local/bin then switch back | 15:11 |
| mcphail | jhodapp: at a push, I can hack on this for a few days if I dig out my old android phone | 15:12 |
| jhodapp | mcphail, we can work with that...you could do a fix, create a .deb, remount read-write and install that deb, when you're ready to go back you could always just reinstall the stable version of that package | 15:12 |
| mcphail | jhodapp: np | 15:12 |
| jhodapp | mcphail, but yeah, in general I don't recommend making it writable if you want as stable of a daily phone as possible | 15:13 |
| mcphail | jhodapp: yes - I try to keep it minimal but I'd be willing to dig out the Samsung if needed | 15:13 |
| jhodapp | mcphail, ok first step would be this: get the debug log for music-app when playing a file with a # in the name, and then get the log for media-hub...both are in /home/phablet/.cache/upstart/ | 15:14 |
| jhodapp | media-hub.log | 15:14 |
| jhodapp | mcphail, both should print out the URI that it's trying to use | 15:14 |
| mcphail | jhodapp: yep | 15:14 |
| jhodapp | mcphail, trying to see if the issue would be in qtubuntu-media or in media-hub | 15:15 |
| mcphail | jhodapp: I'm not not home yet but I can have a proper look in about 2 hours | 15:15 |
| jhodapp | mcphail, sounds good, ping me if you need more help | 15:15 |
| mcphail | jhodapp: will do | 15:16 |
| Ploppz | Would it work / be recommended to install Ubuntu Touch on my Motorola Moto G to try it out or continue using it? | 15:24 |
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| mcphail | jhodapp: I'm not sure there's anything interesting in the media-hub log: http://termbin.com/98sohttp://termbin.com/98so | 17:28 |
| jhodapp | mcphail, 404 | 17:29 |
| mcphail | http://termbin.com/98so | 17:30 |
| mcphail | whoops | 17:30 |
| mcphail | jhodapp: the music app log might be pointing to mediascanner... | 17:31 |
| mcphail | Caught runtime exception from mediascanner: Could not find media ///home/phablet/Music/aa#aa.ogg | 17:31 |
| ahayzen | mcphail, known bug can't have a # in the filename | 17:31 |
| jhodapp | mcphail, nope, that's a red herring | 17:31 |
| jhodapp | mcphail, I've removed that code in my current merge proposal | 17:32 |
| mcphail | ahayzen: yes - we're trying to debug it | 17:32 |
| ahayzen | oh :-) | 17:32 |
| mcphail | :) | 17:32 |
| ahayzen | mcphail, let me know if i can test anything | 17:32 |
| mcphail | jhodapp: here's the full music app log http://termbin.com/d1h4 | 17:32 |
| mcphail | ahayzen: will do | 17:32 |
| mcphail | jhodapp: I've created the aa#aa.ogg file for testing | 17:33 |
| jhodapp | mcphail, definitely an issue with media-hub | 17:33 |
| ahayzen | yeah thats what we put it down to | 17:33 |
| ahayzen | ...and what my WIP QMLTests say as well... | 17:34 |
| jhodapp | seems like either the filename that reaches media-hub is not correct, or gstreamer's code in playbin doesn't like the # char | 17:34 |
| ahayzen | jhodapp, mcphail, this bug (one of the dups) https://bugs.launchpad.net/music-app/+bug/1470129 had the test of using gst-launch | 17:35 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1449790 in Media Hub "duplicate for #1470129 Fails to play a file with a # (hash symbol) in the path" [High,Triaged] | 17:35 |
| ahayzen | see comment #2 | 17:35 |
| mcphail | ahayzen: so the bug is in gstreamer? | 17:36 |
| ahayzen | which seems to suggest formatting as %23 infact works? | 17:36 |
| jhodapp | so it needs to be escaped | 17:36 |
| ahayzen | by the looks of it yes | 17:36 |
| ahayzen | i would double check that though :-) | 17:36 |
| jhodapp | mcphail, so this should be handled at the qtubuntu-media level then | 17:37 |
| jhodapp | mcphail, basically it should get the URI into proper shape to hand off to media-hub | 17:37 |
| ahayzen | jhodapp, shall i copy that comment into the main bug it seems useful? | 17:37 |
| mcphail | jhodapp: you wouldn't view this as an upstream bug? | 17:37 |
| jhodapp | ahayzen, yes please | 17:37 |
| jhodapp | mcphail, definitely not | 17:37 |
| mcphail | jhodapp: but a # symbol shouldn't need escaped in a URI, should it? | 17:38 |
| ogra_ | but you probably want to push it through urlencode ;) | 17:38 |
| jhodapp | mcphail, not generally, but I'm sure gstreamer upstream has a good reason for the behavior | 17:38 |
| ogra_ | (helps for spaces too ;) ) | 17:38 |
| jhodapp | ogra_, indeed | 17:39 |
| mcphail | jhodapp: so you'd propose we sanitise the URI before sending to gstreamer | 17:40 |
| jhodapp | mcphail, take a look at this code: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/qtubuntu-media/trunk/view/head:/src/aal/aalmediaplayercontrol.cpp#L243 | 17:41 |
| jhodapp | mcphail, so currently we are unescaping it...this is the last modification to it before it is passed to media-hub and media-hub calls gstreamer | 17:41 |
| mcphail | jhodapp: aah | 17:42 |
| mcphail | jhodapp: presumably removing the unescape will break looping, as per the comment? | 17:43 |
| * mcphail wonders why? | 17:44 | |
| jhodapp | mcphail, no the comment comes after that line | 17:44 |
| jhodapp | for the stop() | 17:44 |
| mcphail | wonder why the unescape is there, then? | 17:45 |
| jhodapp | mcphail, there are other existing use cases which need an unescape...it would require some comprehensive testing | 17:51 |
| mcphail | jhodapp: does bzr have a "blame" feature? | 17:53 |
| jhodapp | mcphail, not by default, might be a plugin | 17:53 |
| jhodapp | mcphail, if you're wondering, I wrote the code...it really needed a comment but alas, I didn't add one | 17:54 |
| mcphail | jhodapp: the commit message might help, though | 17:55 |
| jhodapp | mcphail, probably not | 17:55 |
| jhodapp | but possibly | 17:55 |
| jhodapp | mcphail, take a look back at the bzr log | 17:55 |
| ahayzen | mcphail, bzr qblame | 17:55 |
| ahayzen | and then the file | 17:55 |
| mcphail | 27.2.35 jim.hod | m_service->setMedia(unescape(media)); --don't know how that ties in to a commit number... | 17:58 |
| mcphail | commit date 20140416 | 18:00 |
| ahayzen | "Unescape the setMedia() call to make it more robust" | 18:01 |
| mcphail | Ha! | 18:01 |
| mcphail | Changing that would probably be like going down a rabbit hole | 18:03 |
| ahayzen | seems to be this commit http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/qtubuntu-media/trunk/revision/31 | 18:03 |
| ahayzen | (that it actually landed | 18:03 |
| ahayzen | ) | 18:03 |
| ahayzen | do a ctrl+f for unescape and you can see the tests added as well | 18:03 |
| dobey | jhodapp: bzr has a blame feature by default | 18:04 |
| jhodapp | dobey, good to know | 18:05 |
| dobey | bzr blame $file | 18:05 |
| ahayzen | oh yeah :-) .. but qblame has a nice gui | 18:06 |
| dobey | you can also view annotation info in the source browser on launchpad | 18:06 |
| mcphail | ok, so maybe we can tweak the unescape code? | 18:06 |
| jhodapp | mcphail, indeed | 18:07 |
| * mcphail googles for QUrl::fromPercentEncoding | 18:10 | |
| mcphail | jhodapp: what would be the easiest way for me to run gdb on this? I'm keen to know what is going in and out of that method | 18:12 |
| mcphail | jhodapp: can I compile this for desktop? | 18:12 |
| jhodapp | unfortunately no, not for the desktop yet | 18:12 |
| mcphail | ok | 18:13 |
| jhodapp | you'll want to do this on the phone | 18:13 |
| mcphail | jhodapp: ok - will have to dif out my old android phone and charge for a while to switch sims. Can't hack directly as I'm on call and need the phone to work | 18:14 |
| jhodapp | mcphail, yeah, so ubuntu touch runs on that? | 18:14 |
| mcphail | jhodapp: no - I'll hack on my krillin device but switch my sim to the old Samsung | 18:14 |
| jhodapp | mcphail, oh I see what you're saying, cool | 18:15 |
| mcphail | be back in a while. Cheers | 18:15 |
| jhodapp | mcphail, cya | 18:15 |
| * mcphail has to wonder why Qt chooses to switch back and forward from utf8 internally | 18:17 | |
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| mcphail | This is quite interesting, and mentions problems with the # character - http://www.macieira.org/blog/2011/09/qurl-in-qt-5-encoding/ | 18:26 |
| marcoplo | Can someone tell me how could i flash ubuntu touch in nexus 7 tilapia (it says this variant is not supported). | 18:31 |
| nocomp_ | ola | 18:40 |
| nocomp_ | damm all yo told me ogra_ dissapear in the buffer | 18:41 |
| nocomp_ | any tto how install a nightly build on my mx4 for help to debug? | 18:41 |
| dobey | nocomp_: just switch to the rc-proposed channel if you want to test the daily builds for mx4 | 18:43 |
| nocomp | do you have a step to step tutorial? | 18:43 |
| nocomp | where do i set that? | 18:43 |
| nocomp | i have phablet tools installed | 18:44 |
| nocomp | mx4 recognize by adb | 18:44 |
| dobey | nocomp_: do you want the english version, or the chinese (i guess mandarin?) version? | 18:44 |
| nocomp | lol | 18:44 |
| nocomp | english :) | 18:44 |
| nocomp | thank you | 18:44 |
| dobey | nocomp_: on the device connected to wifi, run "sudo system-image-cli -vvvv --switch ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/meizu.en" | 18:45 |
| nocomp | oki | 18:46 |
| nocomp | i do it | 18:46 |
| nocomp | can i do it with phablet-shell ? | 18:46 |
| dobey | yes | 18:46 |
| nocomp | or xterm from the device? | 18:46 |
| nocomp | oki | 18:46 |
| nocomp | thx | 18:46 |
| dobey | in the terminal app, or via adb or phablet-shell, all should work | 18:46 |
| nocomp | great | 18:49 |
| nocomp | it works | 18:49 |
| nocomp | thxx a lot dobey | 18:49 |
| nocomp | so that ll always install the nightly build? | 18:49 |
| dobey | that switches you to the rc-proposed channel. you don't need to run it every day | 18:54 |
| dobey | you can updated normally through system settings every day if you wish | 18:54 |
| nocomp | oki | 18:55 |
| nocomp | brilliant | 18:55 |
| nocomp | thx a lot | 18:55 |
| nocomp | i ll report you bugs i am facing | 18:55 |
| nocomp | what is the average time | 18:56 |
| nocomp | to do the process? | 18:56 |
| nocomp | if i set it in rw | 18:57 |
| nocomp | do i loose ota update? | 18:57 |
| dobey | no | 18:58 |
| nocomp | yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa | 18:58 |
| dobey | oh yes | 18:58 |
| nocomp | arggggggggggg | 18:58 |
| nocomp | lol | 18:58 |
| dobey | if you make the phone writable, updates can break | 18:58 |
| nocomp | hmmm | 18:58 |
| dobey | why do you want to make the root writable? | 18:58 |
| nocomp | i want to apt-get | 18:58 |
| nocomp | be able to install app like nmap | 18:58 |
| dobey | apt-get is not supported | 18:58 |
| nocomp | and other cli stuff | 18:58 |
| nocomp | when i set in rw | 18:59 |
| nocomp | i can apt-get | 18:59 |
| dobey | if you want to install debs, follow my instructions for using a chroot: https://askubuntu.com/questions/620740/recommended-way-to-install-regularcli-deb-packages-on-ubuntu-phone/623311#623311 | 18:59 |
| nocomp | (i used to) | 18:59 |
| nocomp | oki | 18:59 |
| nocomp | i read now | 18:59 |
| nocomp | why apt-get is not supported? | 19:00 |
| tshirtman | well, if you find a bug, how can you be sure it wasn't triggered by something you installed? :) | 19:00 |
| dobey | because the space for the root partition is very limited, and using apt-get will break the system | 19:00 |
| nocomp | hmm | 19:01 |
| tshirtman | and yeah, i had space issue with installing things with apt-get, i should have though about the chroot way | 19:01 |
| dobey | the updates are applied via images, so even if you just install a single package, it may be removed on a system update | 19:01 |
| nocomp | on the other hand there is so much space on the mx4 | 19:01 |
| nocomp | ah ok | 19:01 |
| dobey | so if you want to play with various tools installed via apt, you should create a chroot in the home dir and play inside that chroot | 19:02 |
| dobey | the total space available for storage != space available for system image | 19:02 |
| nocomp | yep | 19:02 |
| nocomp | File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/systemimage/download.py", line 296, in get_files | 19:02 |
| nocomp | raise TimeoutError | 19:02 |
| nocomp | TimeoutError | 19:02 |
| nocomp | [systemimage] Aug 12 21:01:09 2015 (4588) state machine finished | 19:02 |
| nocomp | phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ | 19:02 |
| nocomp | doesn t look good | 19:02 |
| dobey | maybe your network connection is not great? | 19:03 |
| nocomp | yes quite average | 19:03 |
| nocomp | i re run it | 19:03 |
| nocomp | what device do you run ubuntu touch on ? | 19:07 |
| dobey | i have it on a nexus 4 | 19:08 |
| nocomp | ok | 19:09 |
| nocomp | mx4 is not bad | 19:11 |
| nocomp | was quite surprised | 19:11 |
| nocomp | pitty there are no fm radio | 19:11 |
| nocomp | tried the command again locally on device | 19:16 |
| nocomp | same error | 19:16 |
| nocomp | same time out | 19:16 |
| nocomp | would be weird to be a network issue | 19:16 |
| nocomp | exactly at the same point in the process | 19:16 |
| nocomp | no? | 19:17 |
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| dobey | nocomp: not sure what the issue is | 19:19 |
| nocomp | ok | 19:19 |
| nocomp | i guess it hasn t go far enough in the process | 19:20 |
| nocomp | for ota | 19:20 |
| dobey | nocomp: you can use "ubuntu-device-flash touch --channel ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/meizu.en" | 19:20 |
| nocomp | oki | 19:20 |
| nocomp | i try | 19:20 |
| dobey | on your PC, with the phone plugged in to usb with developer mode enabled and screen unlocked | 19:21 |
| nocomp_ | yep | 19:21 |
| nocomp_ | when screen locks again does itt matter or can i see a "always on" option when plugged somewhere? | 19:21 |
| nocomp_ | its pushing | 19:23 |
| nocomp_ | wtf!!! | 19:28 |
| nocomp_ | ubuntu-device-flash touch --channel ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/meizu.en | 19:28 |
| nocomp_ | oups | 19:28 |
| nocomp_ | adff4f3d71eed42896bcca9db45a3f44b8c7ed8f6c58a15dfc0ff9b63d1b446.tar.xz to device | 19:28 |
| nocomp_ | 66.72 MB / 289.88 MB [=====>________________________] 23.02 % 242.38 KB/s 15m42s2015/08/12 21:27:21 error pushing: error: closed | 19:28 |
| nocomp_ | nocomp@up-yours:~$ | 19:28 |
| nocomp_ | i retry see if the error occurs at same point | 19:29 |
| nocomp | dobey, can i pre host al lpackage on my pc could be a solution | 19:31 |
| dobey | nocomp: do you have another usb cable you could try? | 19:33 |
| dobey | nocomp: no, it's a system image. it doesn't install packages from apt | 19:33 |
| dobey | if you got as far as pushing to the device, then the image was already downloaded to your pc | 19:34 |
| nocomp | dobey, i go put the kids to bed and i come back in 15 min, so far it s still pushin | 19:38 |
| nocomp | thxx for your time | 19:39 |
| nocomp | download is 500 kbs | 19:39 |
| host127 | someone said to me this : > have sudo . i want to know that is REAL sudo or like andraeid fon venom su?? | 19:41 |
| host127 | http://store.bq.com/gl/smartphones | 19:42 |
| dobey | i have no idea what android sudo is | 19:46 |
| dobey | or what you mean by REAL sudo | 19:46 |
| dobey | sudo is just a program | 19:46 |
| dobey | ubuntu is ubuntu, but the root fs is readonly, and the root partition is not particularly big | 19:47 |
| host127 | dobey: sudo is just a program to control third exploits. | 19:47 |
| dobey | so you can't treat the phone like it's a standard ubuntu workstation pc | 19:47 |
| host127 | dobey: i cant today because venom su in andraeid without sudo (is how today andraeid is) causes a damage like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LVFkw9Y4B0 | 19:48 |
| dobey | phones are updated via system image updates, not with apt-get | 19:48 |
| host127 | dobey: i know system images.gz .img .mfz i know | 19:49 |
| host127 | the andraeid venom all su -es are venom because still have not sudo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LVFkw9Y4B0 | 19:49 |
| host127 | dobey: what is sudo and for what serves? | 19:50 |
| dobey | i don't know what you are saying, and i don't see what having or not having sudo has to do with a high level security issue in android | 19:51 |
| dobey | sudo is a command line tool | 19:51 |
| dobey | to escalate privileges for performing administrative actions | 19:51 |
| host127 | dobey: ok this phone haves passworded sudo or no | 19:51 |
| host127 | ? | 19:51 |
| OerHeks | host127, that youtube is about android, not ubuntu phone... haven't we been over this before? | 19:51 |
| dobey | it doesn't have remote arbitrary script execution | 19:52 |
| ali1234 | i think the question is "does ubuntu phone have sudo without needing jailbreak type exploits?" | 19:52 |
| host127 | OerHeks: +_+ sorry . i did not has knew that andraeid 4.4.2 has never used ubuntu@host: :D | 19:53 |
| host127 | ali1234: yes is the question . :D | 19:53 |
| host127 | does ubuntu phone have sudo without needing jailbreak type exploits? | 19:55 |
| dobey | why do you need sudo? | 19:55 |
| ali1234 | i don't know the answer, sorry | 19:55 |
| dobey | but yes, sudo is installed by default | 19:56 |
| host127 | dobey: MY linux without sudo is not and never will be MINE | 19:56 |
| host127 | on phones too | 19:56 |
| ali1234 | dobey: does it allow the user to become root on production phones? | 19:57 |
| host127 | ali1234: of course if yes | 19:58 |
| dobey | host127: well you don't own the copyright, so it's not yours i guess :) | 19:58 |
| host127 | dobey: please: MY LINNUX IMAGE | 19:59 |
| host127 | why i have to be root? | 19:59 |
| dobey | i don't know, why do you? | 19:59 |
| dobey | you're the one asking about it | 19:59 |
| ali1234 | language barriers are fun | 19:59 |
| nocomp | back | 20:00 |
| host127 | i want to implement some library .so or modify audio or create partition etc. | 20:00 |
| nocomp | still pushing an image to the device | 20:00 |
| nocomp | so far so good :) | 20:00 |
| dobey | if you want to break your device, you get to keep all the pieces | 20:00 |
| host127 | nocomp : norooted fons have dd ?? | 20:00 |
| host127 | what dd does? | 20:01 |
| host127 | inplementation! | 20:01 |
| nocomp | man dd :) | 20:01 |
| dobey | please ask sensible questions that can be answered | 20:01 |
| nocomp | it s a disk utility | 20:01 |
| host127 | this is only an example why we need root | 20:01 |
| dobey | you don't need root | 20:01 |
| host127 | dobey i need, you talk correct YOU DON'T need :D | 20:01 |
| OerHeks | dobey, this will go on forever and ever, no answer will satisfy him | 20:02 |
| dobey | host127: please stop trolling. the phone is not a PC. they do not work exactly the same. if you wish to break your device, then fine, but you get to keep the broken pieces of it. | 20:03 |
| nocomp | damm 20 min it s pushing this archive | 20:03 |
| nocomp_ | 2015/08/12 21:40:32 Start pushing /home/nocomp/.cache/ubuntuimages/pool/ubuntu-f73ecbaf991b25b32194458c8f85934ab6e3d2ac4dc881af0b52e168a0c866d7.tar.xz to device | 20:03 |
| dobey | nocomp: well, as long as it's still pushing i guess :) | 20:04 |
| nocomp | same :) | 20:04 |
| ali1234 | dobey: i'm still not 100% clear on this: can the user become root on production phones (BQ or Meizu) without exploiting bugs? | 20:04 |
| mcphail | ali1234: yes | 20:04 |
| ali1234 | okay | 20:05 |
| ali1234 | so anyway, i just finished with the first pass on the Devices page | 20:07 |
| nocomp | even pushing my mother in law would ob bei quicker :) | 20:08 |
| nocomp | and she doesn t fint in a mx4 :) | 20:08 |
| host127 | dobey: :O se what you are talking. i used dd, ffmpeg, ifconfig, tar, zip, gzip, cpio in andraeid >>2.2<< via native terminal emulator like a pc. why i am "what you said"? | 20:08 |
| nocomp | is there a way to open a console on the device see what is happening or if i am watching a nice idle? | 20:09 |
| dobey | host127: good for you | 20:09 |
| dobey | nocomp: you can use phablet-shell of course | 20:09 |
| nocomp | ok | 20:09 |
| nocomp | i open a another session | 20:10 |
| ali1234 | i checked every port for activity... i found 73 of them haven't been touched since 2013, or have been explicitly discontinued, or never produced anything at all | 20:10 |
| host127 | dobey: i don"t remember much but i will say all the commands i used. mount (fat,ext/2/3/4), cryptosetup ... | 20:10 |
| nocomp | hmmmmmmmmmm | 20:11 |
| host127 | dobey: losetup, dnsmasq | 20:11 |
| nocomp | can t connect anymore | 20:11 |
| ali1234 | the remaining 12 lwere last updated in 2014, or the status page was written in a language i don't understand | 20:11 |
| host127 | dobey: i changed libraries in /system/lib like linux | 20:11 |
| nocomp | adb & phablet don t conenct anymore | 20:12 |
| host127 | dobey: libpng.so and libgif .so andraeid has never | 20:12 |
| dobey | host127: stop trolling | 20:12 |
| nocomp | should i unplug the device?? | 20:13 |
| host127 | dobey: do you want my nandroid backup system.yaffs v2.2 to see what i am "TROLLING"? | 20:13 |
| host127 | dobey: i have this still in a cd rom do you want? | 20:13 |
| host127 | dobey: the only missed thing on this image is the sudo | 20:15 |
| dobey | host127: i want you to stop trolling this channel | 20:15 |
| host127 | to be an unexploitable | 20:15 |
| host127 | dobey: i will ignore you. you need KNOWLEDGE sorry | 20:15 |
| OerHeks | host127, dobey hates to ban people, but you are crossing a line now. | 20:15 |
| host127 | OerHecks: power and corruption... +_+ : dobey :D | 20:16 |
| dobey | what nonsense | 20:16 |
| OerHeks | ubuntu-phone is safe, and android exploits are not working. | 20:16 |
| host127 | OerHecks: ok this is what i meaning. i need to try my ffmpeg on this phone. to see obey say that i am "TROLLING" :D | 20:17 |
| OerHeks | nocomp, i would not unplug the device if there is some action going on. | 20:18 |
| dobey | do whatever you want, just stop flooding the channel with nonsense | 20:18 |
| mcphail | is ubuntu-touch/devel/bq-aquaris.en a wily channel? | 20:18 |
| host127 | OerHecks: armv6 binaries are for unix based arm cortex arch. independently of the name of the os. | 20:19 |
| dobey | why are you talking about armv6 | 20:19 |
| host127 | if i have armv7 any armv6 will work EQUALLY | 20:19 |
| dobey | ubuntu doesn't even support armv6 | 20:19 |
| dobey | and ubuntu is not android | 20:19 |
| nocomp | ok dobey i checked in /cache and the file on device is 1.7 mb | 20:19 |
| nocomp | so i guess i can deconnect the device | 20:20 |
| nocomp | and restart correct ? | 20:20 |
| dobey | nocomp: no, the flash reboots the phone when it's done | 20:20 |
| host127 | OerHecks: i have an iptables binary from armv6 working in a os of armv7 | 20:20 |
| dobey | nocomp: if it hasn't done that, then it's not done, or something is failing | 20:20 |
| nocomp | it s failing | 20:20 |
| nocomp | cant have push 1.7 mb in 20 min | 20:20 |
| nocomp | i restart the process | 20:21 |
| nocomp | i ve ctrl c anyway | 20:21 |
| nocomp | i couldn t log from any other tool | 20:21 |
| dobey | nocomp: unfortunately, i don't know what else to tell you. maybe you need a special recovery image to flash it. i'm not sure | 20:21 |
| nocomp | hmm | 20:21 |
| nocomp | i retry | 20:21 |
| host127 | OerHecks: my ffmpeg from 2012 is working like a charm in armv6 and armv7 equally the difference is the speed of conversion, nothing more | 20:21 |
| dobey | host127: ubuntu doesn't support armv6. so you are off topic. please stop saying arbitrary things that have nothing to do with ubuntu on phones in here. | 20:22 |
| dobey | that is what i mean by "trolling" | 20:22 |
| host127 | OerHecks: i have a system.yaffs2.img (binaries and libs only) for long time of usage ... :D | 20:22 |
| dobey | you are being disruptive to the channel | 20:23 |
| OerHeks | time to open #ubuntu-touch-offtopic ;-) | 20:24 |
| host127 | OerHecks: i repeat, i have armv5/6/7 binaries working in armv7 very good. who don"t believe will call me "TROLL" | 20:24 |
| host127 | bye | 20:24 |
| dobey | host127: it's not that we don't believe you. it's that nobody cares. | 20:24 |
| host127 | dobey: go study more allrite? | 20:25 |
| dobey | again with the trolling. | 20:25 |
| host127 | dobey: if you don"t care why you stay answering? | 20:25 |
| nocomp | interesting | 20:25 |
| nocomp | if i open a term and run an adb shell session | 20:25 |
| nocomp | then the flash device on another term don t work | 20:26 |
| dobey | host127: i am simply trying to impart upon you the fact that this channel has nothing to do with what you are talking about | 20:26 |
| nocomp | there is only one adb session at the time? | 20:26 |
| dobey | you are ranting and being disruptive | 20:26 |
| nocomp_ | error again | 20:26 |
| nocomp_ | 2015/08/12 22:25:19 Done pushing /home/nocomp/.cache/ubuntuimages/pool/custom-fadff4f3d71eed42896bcca9db45a3f44b8c7ed8f6c58a15dfc0ff9b63d1b446.tar.xz to device | 20:26 |
| nocomp_ | 2015/08/12 22:25:57 error pushing: error: closed | 20:26 |
| nocomp_ | nocomp@up-yours:~$ | 20:26 |
| nocomp_ | hmmm | 20:26 |
| host127 | dobey: at least you know why someone want rooted system? why you still try "CARE" for what you "don"t"? | 20:27 |
| dobey | a rooted system and "being the root user" are not the same thing | 20:27 |
| jgdx | nocomp_, did the device lock? | 20:28 |
| host127 | dobey: go learn how to format cd-roms ok? byee | 20:28 |
| nocomp | jdstrand, nop | 20:28 |
| dobey | what a tool. | 20:28 |
| jgdx | nocomp_, what device is it? | 20:28 |
| nocomp | mx4 | 20:28 |
| beuno | that is one of my new favorite insults | 20:29 |
| beuno | go learn how to format cd-roms! | 20:29 |
| dobey | lol | 20:29 |
| nocomp | lol | 20:30 |
| dobey | go learn how to peruse archaic technologies! | 20:30 |
| nocomp_ | ihave a clue | 20:31 |
| nocomp_ | this file | 20:31 |
| nocomp_ | 2015/08/12 22:27:52 Start pushing /home/nocomp/.cache/ubuntuimages/pool/ubuntu-f73ecbaf991b25b32194458c8f85934ab6e3d2ac4dc881af0b52e168a0c866d7.tar.xz to device | 20:31 |
| nocomp_ | is always 1.7 mb on the devicee | 20:31 |
| nocomp_ | and it s stays here | 20:32 |
| jgdx | nocomp_, or maybe it's mx4's usb issues. | 20:32 |
| dobey | and how big is the file on your pc? | 20:32 |
| ali1234 | where can i learn how to format cd-roms? | 20:33 |
| nocomp_ | where is it supposed to be located? | 20:33 |
| nocomp_ | ok found | 20:35 |
| dobey | nocomp: the path in the log message is where it exists on your pc | 20:35 |
| nocomp_ | yes i thought it was on phone | 20:35 |
| nocomp_ | sorry | 20:35 |
| nocomp_ | 290mb | 20:35 |
| dobey | oh | 20:36 |
| nocomp_ | the 104mb has been pushed easy before | 20:36 |
| nocomp_ | i might delete it | 20:36 |
| nocomp_ | on pc | 20:36 |
| nocomp_ | refetch it | 20:36 |
| nocomp_ | what do yo think ? | 20:37 |
| nocomp_ | or run an adb push by hand? | 20:37 |
| dobey | i don't know | 20:38 |
| nocomp_ | df -h on devicee show that system has 280mb free | 20:39 |
| nocomp_ | nocomp@up-yours:~/.cache/ubuntuimages/pool$ adb push ubuntu-f73ecbaf991b25b32194458c8f85934ab6e3d2ac4dc881af0b52e168a0c866d7.tar.xz /cache/recovery | 20:42 |
| nocomp_ | 3812 KB/s (303961660 bytes in 77.869s) | 20:42 |
| nocomp_ | nocomp@up-yours:~/.cache/ubuntuimages/pool$ | 20:42 |
| nocomp_ | done | 20:42 |
| nocomp_ | i re run the script | 20:42 |
| nocomp_ | there is an isse with the flash command | 20:43 |
| nocomp_ | i can adb push it easy | 20:43 |
| nocomp_ | but when i run the script | 20:44 |
| nocomp_ | it free to this push | 20:44 |
| nocomp_ | how tell him to bypass it ? | 20:44 |
| nocomp_ | cause it s already on the device | 20:44 |
| nocomp | off to bed | 20:53 |
| nocomp | nite folks | 20:53 |
| nocomp | i rerun the script | 20:53 |
| nocomp | see waht happends | 20:53 |
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