[14:09] * Roguehorse Well, *my* Monday was fun: http://lists.svlug.org/archives/svlug/2015-August/061210.html [14:09] Title: [[svlug] Caught in the Act] [14:51] I also had a jerky from China AND France at the same time! Spanked them all! [15:09] * Roguehorse Thanks for the security updates! =) [15:11] * Roguehorse stupid flashplugin-installer still won't pull anything down...I've been trying for days!! [15:15] File "/usr/lib/update-notifier/package-data-downloader", line 239, in process_download_requests [15:15] dest_file = urllib.urlretrieve(files[i])[0] [15:15] File "/usr/lib/python2.7/urllib.py", line 94, in urlretrieve [15:15] Debian's flashplugin-nonfree package doesn't automatically download security updates ... you have to know to run apt-get install --reinstall flashplugin-nonfree periodically. [15:15] Is ubuntu's better about that? [15:16] (It is working on sid today, though, no python error.) [15:16] akk: I'm not on Debian anymore .. Kubuntu 14.04 [15:16] That's why I asked about ubuntu. [15:17] oh, no, it just gives me the same errors then times out [15:17] let me try your line [15:20] Eh, giving me three choices ... adobe-flashplugin 1:20150811.1-0trusty1 or flashplugin-installer:i386 11.2.202.508ubuntu0.14.04.1 or flashplugin-installer 11.2.202.508ubuntu0.14.04.1 [15:21] E: Package 'flashplugin-nonfree' has no installation candidate [15:22] I already have Icedtea installed and things seem to be humming along ok ... but this flash thing keeps coming back around [15:24] You might be getting flash from a different place, then. aptitude search flash | grep '^i' will probably tell you which package you're using. [15:36] i flashplugin-installer - Adobe Flash Player plugin installer [15:36] i pepperflashplugin-nonfree - Pepper Flash Player - browser plugin [16:01] * Roguehorse BTW: I'm *NOT* the admin of my network....my in-laws own the subscription. I only have a router at my desk that distributes to my desktop, TV, and provides wireless. [16:02] * Roguehorse so basically, I'm at the mercy of whatever they do on their end [16:05] * Roguehorse it's been that way since we bought the house together in 2008 [16:31] * Roguehorse what *they* do with the traffic, I don't know, however, I have my suspicions. They just keep telling me I'm "paranoid". Yeah, right. [16:33] * Roguehorse so yeah, they have my MAC and can do *what they want* based on how angry or malicious they want to be. [16:39] * Roguehorse my wife (soon to be ex) owns the cell account and monitors my text messages ... that's not really fun either. [16:46] * Roguehorse I've had websites blocked, ubuntu updates blocked, email blocked, all kinds of nightmare...then told "it must be your Linux system" [16:50] * Roguehorse There are 8 people in the house: Me, wife, son, brother-in-law, sister-in-law (sisters), nephew, niece, mother-in-law [16:58] * Roguehorse then people wonder why I'm such and advocate for encryption. My email has been monitored for years and who knows what else when I haven't been traffic monitoring. I'm NOT "paranoid" and I'm NOT dumb. [17:00] Most people these days seem to use gmail or other webmail services, so none of their email is private. Nobody seems to care much about privacy. [17:01] * akk gave a Toastmasters talk recently about privacy with a lot of detail from Schneir's excellent new book, but nobody's asked her for more info [17:06] akk: That's because *most* people only think it's the GOV doing it and there isn't anything they can do about it. It *can* be done at lower levels too. Trust me, I KNOW! [17:07] * Roguehorse I CARE A LOT ABOUT PRIVACY!!! [17:09] * Roguehorse the brother-in-law and sister-in-law both work for San Lorenzo Unified. For all I know, they could be piping the signal to a SysAdmin there who again does who knows what with it. [17:09] * Roguehorse they could be piping it anywhere! [17:09] * akk wonders why Roguehorse is using /me for everything [17:09] lol [17:09] sorry [17:10] web mail is fine, but I don't always want to start up a browser [17:11] it's just easier to have it pull down and then read when I want to [17:12] Roguehorse: i can't help but notice you're connected to freenode WITHOUT ssl [17:12] regardless, I shouldn't have to be worrying about it anyway! [17:13] yeah, for whatever reason, when I turn on the ssl it won't connect [17:13] have you tried different ports? [17:13] I hate webmail clients, but that's not why I don't use gmail; it's the privacy issues that keep me from it. [17:13] no [17:14] What would be the point of connecting with ssl to a publically logged IRC channel? [17:14] I'm not worried about it, but thank you for asking [17:14] akk: e-mail is not private by definition unless you encrypt, and you can encrypt gmail so google can't read it [17:15] most likely, the in-laws have a "haunt" monitoring what I say in here too [17:15] True. But the chances of mail to some random server getting snooped by intermediate sites is tiny [17:15] ssl encrypts between the client and the server, which is where his insecure link is [17:15] while the chance of gmail getting snooped is 100%. [17:16] Obviously, anything REALLY private and secret shouldn't be sent by unencrypted email at all. [17:16] akk: +100 [17:17] at minimum, I at least sign so people know it did actually come from me [17:17] it's hard to get people to use the encryption though [17:18] i used to sign but it would make my msgs get rejected [17:18] some people have been understanding of my situation [17:18] oh, yeah, I suppose that could happen too [17:18] I figured out how to configure mutt to handle signatures once, but it was such a pain, and so slow, and gave me no actual useful info, that I turned it off again. [17:19] I have that working, works great for me. I could try and send you the info to set it up? [17:19] It tells me that someone signed it, but how do I know it's the person they claim to be? [17:19] And even though I have a key signed on a public key server, other people's keys are never on the same server [17:20] and this "web of trust" idea doesn't seem to work, there never seemed to be any link among different key servers. [17:20] hmmm...mine checks the signature to the ones I have saved and tells me "good signature" [17:20] Sure, if I had local public keys for people I was getting signed email from, then that would be useful information. [17:20] have to check multiple servers ... yeah, that area needs work [17:21] MIT is pretty reliable [17:21] My key is on whatever server they happened to be using at the keysigning I went to. :) [17:21] =) [17:22] I think mine are on all of them .... I'm usually pretty good with making surethey're available [17:23] I don't really grok how the whole keyserver thing is supposed to work. I think this signing thing is designed for people who use it all the time and are really knowledgeable [17:23] but it's not at all well designed for people who just want to say "maybe if I turn on signatures I'll have a little more email security". [17:23] I have maybe one key I haven't made public ... the one for Mailvelope for GMail [17:25] the public key is just made available to everyone so they *can* send you an encrypted message AND verify your signature when you send signed. Without it and verifying, signed doesn't mean much. [17:27] you do have more security signing, if the mail is tampered with along the way, as in *edited* then the signature turns out bad and the receiver will know that the message has been tampered with along the way [17:27] Right. E.g. if I get signed email from jane@example.com, then unless I go and look for jane's web page to see if she has her public key there somewhere for download, [17:28] her signed mail doesn't really tell me anything [17:28] I even have DKMS installed on my emails [17:28] and that's a bunch of extra steps and searching [17:28] so it made no sense for me to leave signatures on by default in mutt for every message. [17:29] If there's a particular message where I care enough to go to that work (has never happened, but could some day) I could always turn it on just for that message. [17:29] well, it's not really about you so much as it is about *them* and letting them know you've done what you can [17:30] I do it anyway, whether or not the other end cares enough to follow up is on them, I did what I could on my end [17:31] all it takes is *ONE* person to start to care before it becomes *TWO* [17:33] even if I'm the *ONLY* one, I have faith that more people will start to care .... especially these days =/ [17:35] I also realise that my particular situation is *NOT* normal so I take the precautions that I believe are necessary and *pray* that some understand and work with me ... I don't get many [17:35] but some do =) [17:46] I haven't been able to get Dropbox to install or SpiderOak either since I had to rebuild my system ... oh yeah, I had a system crash 2 weeks ago. [17:47] someone's been trying to stop me from file sharing [17:48] probably because I posted that link to that old email with all those addresses in that blog post ... I took that link down after I calmed down a bit [17:48] have you tried any of the "vpn services" out there? [17:49] I still have way, Google is working fine so I've been using that [17:50] I have some servers I still have access to as well [17:50] SpiderOak is nice because it's all TNO between client, host, storage [17:51] 2G free [17:52] but if your network admin (or someone with admin rights) blocks the data stream to pull the install packages, you're screwed right? [17:53] so then we're at who has been given that information? [17:53] you can vpn to any server you have access to [17:55] true, but they can also actively cut the port ... been there believe it or not. Sometimes I VPN through HE and they're pretty understanding about it [17:55] port 22? [17:55] no [17:55] you can vpn to any server you have access to [17:55] it's the -w flag to ssh [17:56] yes, I know, TY [17:56] I do waht I can when I have to [17:57] my life is already kind of messed up enough with my medical issues, I don't need network issues imposed by mean people too ... but I deal with them [17:58] before ssh had a -w, i came up with a way to vpn to any server, no root or privileges needed [17:59] this is the ugliest divorce I've gone through so far .... just mean for no reason other than to be mean [17:59] how many? [17:59] ok, that sounds scary [17:59] huh, this is my 3rd [17:59] I'm NOT getting married again thanks [18:00] 19, 28, 45 [18:00] Three divorces doesn't sound promising. [18:01] I'm a borderline workaholic and introvert so put the two together and I'm kind of a boring person [18:03] you divorced at 19? [18:03] my Dad is kind of the same way really [18:04] yep, well, maybe 20. It was short lived for sure. [18:04] married the HS girlfriend and we had a studio in Manteca together then moved to Modesto a little later [18:05] long story =/ [18:05] someday I'll tell you about it [18:06] I have lots of stories to share and I'm happy to do so =) [18:07] unfortunately, I can't really get around anymore so it's hard for me to get anywhere...hopefully the doctors are going to get busy here soon [18:09] oh, and my car's broke down just 3 days before my custody appointment, imagine that? I got a ride anyway *thankfully* but I don't know how to fix it so it's sitting in the driveway [18:10] I'm waiting for my sheriff friend from Livermore to get back from vacation to come over and help me out [18:10] he *knows* cars [18:11] and I *trust* him [18:16] trust is important with car problems [18:16] luckily I have a bunch of family mechanics [18:17] yeah, I studied in JC 20 years ago but now? Hell no! Just the basics is all I mess with [18:19] it will start and run but the idle and accell are all messed up [18:19] this brings back a lot of memories: http://www.howardforums.com/archive/index.php/t-1347185.html [18:19] Title: [HOWTO: Use T-Zones to Get Unrestricted Internet on your Laptop Without Paying $30/mo [Archive] - HowardForums: Your Mobile Phone Community & Resource] [18:19] i'm "dgi" in that thread [18:20] specifically of interest is http://web.archive.org/web/20090106165650/http://wiki.buici.com/wiki/Slirp_Tunneled_over_SSH [18:20] Title: [Slirp Tunneled over SSH - Buici] [18:22] TY, I'll keep those tricks in mind [18:23] I'm actually suspecting a little less hassle since I've been more *open* about my situation [18:23] who knows [18:23] the shell script in question is now at http://danielg4.drivehq.com/danielg4/slirplink [18:23] [R: danielg4.firstcloudit.com] Content type: [application/x-msdownload] Size: [7368] [18:24] got it, thanks =) [18:25] at least I can download now ... they had that function blocked over the last few weeks from anything other than Tor [18:25] this was all made mostly obsolete when ssh introduced -w [18:26] ah man! Then why am I messing with it? I thought you were throwing me bones? [18:27] well if one does not work there is the other [18:27] good point +1 ... TY [18:29] one of the worst parts of all this is the spoofing ... I don't know for sure *who* is sending me my text messages. The person I *think* it is or someone else MITM [18:29] That's the biggest issue I've been dealing with for YEARS! [18:30] there are many online text msg providers, no need to use your phone plan [18:30] NOT my phone plan [18:31] NOT my internet plan [18:31] =( [18:32] The internet, I think was planned from the beginning in all honesty [18:32] kid you not [18:32] so since 2008 [18:37] To be honest? When I switched to Linux in 2009 is when all HELL really broke loose. It got *really* ugly around the house..*REALLY* ugly [18:41] why anyone would care that I don't use MS I have no idea...but it was a HUGE ordeal [18:41] has been ever since [18:45] so, then, you'll also be looking for a place to live that's wheelchair-accessible… [18:47] kind of, yeah...I can use a cane but it's *REALLY* slow and *REALLY* painful [18:49] this is all righ now, still waiting on doctors to try and figure something out ... maybe .. we don't know until I get the biopsy done [18:50] I don't think it would be safe for me to live without someone I can *REALLY* trust nearby in my current condition [18:50] in a more ideal world, the medical issues would wait until after the divorce [18:51] I own 25% of the house so I'm stuck here for now with no income anyway [18:51] they are .. no choice in it really .. county is pretty good for coverage but slow to move [18:52] or MediCal anyway [18:52] depends on which county [18:53] Alameda [18:53] my PCP appt is in Sep for referral [18:54] I don't know if I can push it or not .. seems not .. in the meantime I'm just all messed up and on meds [18:54] alameda is one of the better ones [18:55] I know, I really want to stay living within Alameda [18:56] Ohlone cut my Fall class so I don't even have that to look forward to [18:57] I'm even scribbled in their Fall course book already but the Dean said she doesn't have the class on her schedule so I'm "off the hook" as she put it [18:58] I'm supposed to teach LPIC-2 in the Spring and LPIC-1 in the Fall [18:58] it's not a lot of money but hey, better than nothing [19:02] when I got brought on I asked about my classes getting cut and I was *told* not to worry about it as the bundle all of CNET studenst together to make numbers for ALL classes [19:03] since the entry level courses are always over full, I wouldn't have to concern with low enrollment [19:03] maybe that only applied to everyone but me? =/ [19:06] Oh, I also got beat up BIG TIME for going to a private college ... all the years I was going [19:07] the in-laws are BIG TIME union [19:07] SEIU1021 [19:24] ...and people wonder why I have such a hard time quitting smoking ... HA! Try *my* life! [19:30] huh, my Twitter followers just went down by 2 .. imagine that === cyphase is now known as Guest20829 [22:13] Roguehorse: https://xkcd.com/1181/ [22:13] Title: [xkcd: PGP] [22:13] If you want to be extra safe, check that there's a big block of jumbled characters at the bottom. [22:13] LOL! Thanks bro =) [22:15] added some new images to the website but waiting on my TTYL .... slow connection and I'm also trying to push through my firewall [22:23] just going to have to wait it out [22:25] Ugh, KDE Wallet started bugging me .... had to reconfigure it ... what a pita program [22:27] i really, really tried to get into kde, multiple times over the years, but it's just, ugh [22:32] Well, I started with 9.10 and I really liked GNOME2 .... but for whatever reason, KDE just really suits me. I like Cinnamon and MATE too though. [22:41] It's odd when I get these people who add me with fake profiles [22:42] I just got one looks like it was put together yesterday [22:42] Google+ [22:45] creepy people [22:46] oh yeah! Looks like my webpage updated .. =) [22:50] http://www.roguehorse.net/gallery.html [22:50] Title: [Scott DuBois - Gallery] [23:52] internet connection had to be reset .... I don't know why, but the stupid thing has to be reset like once or twice a week .. Comcast