[14:09]  * Roguehorse Well, *my* Monday was fun:  http://lists.svlug.org/archives/svlug/2015-August/061210.html
[14:09] <darthrobot> Title: [[svlug] Caught in the Act]
[14:51] <Roguehorse> I also had a jerky from China AND France at the same time! Spanked them all!
[15:09]  * Roguehorse Thanks for the security updates! =)
[15:11]  * Roguehorse stupid flashplugin-installer still won't pull anything down...I've been trying for days!!
[15:15] <Roguehorse> File "/usr/lib/update-notifier/package-data-downloader", line 239, in process_download_requests
[15:15] <Roguehorse> dest_file = urllib.urlretrieve(files[i])[0]
[15:15] <Roguehorse> File "/usr/lib/python2.7/urllib.py", line 94, in urlretrieve
[15:15] <akk> Debian's flashplugin-nonfree package doesn't automatically download security updates ... you have to know to run apt-get install --reinstall flashplugin-nonfree periodically.
[15:15] <akk> Is ubuntu's better about that?
[15:16] <akk> (It is working on sid today, though, no python error.)
[15:16] <Roguehorse> akk: I'm not on Debian anymore .. Kubuntu 14.04
[15:16] <akk> That's why I asked about ubuntu.
[15:17] <Roguehorse> oh, no, it just gives me the same errors then times out
[15:17] <Roguehorse> let me try your line
[15:20] <Roguehorse> Eh, giving me three choices ... adobe-flashplugin 1:20150811.1-0trusty1 or flashplugin-installer:i386 11.2.202.508ubuntu0.14.04.1 or flashplugin-installer 11.2.202.508ubuntu0.14.04.1
[15:21] <Roguehorse> E: Package 'flashplugin-nonfree' has no installation candidate
[15:22] <Roguehorse> I already have Icedtea installed and things seem to be humming along ok ... but this flash thing keeps coming back around
[15:24] <akk> You might be getting flash from a different place, then. aptitude search flash | grep '^i' will probably tell you which package you're using.
[15:36] <Roguehorse> i   flashplugin-installer           - Adobe Flash Player plugin installer
[15:36] <Roguehorse> i   pepperflashplugin-nonfree       - Pepper Flash Player - browser plugin
[16:01]  * Roguehorse BTW: I'm *NOT* the admin of my network....my in-laws own the subscription. I only have a router at my desk that distributes to my desktop, TV, and provides wireless.
[16:02]  * Roguehorse so basically, I'm at the mercy of whatever they do on their end
[16:05]  * Roguehorse it's been that way since we bought the house together in 2008
[16:31]  * Roguehorse what *they* do with the traffic, I don't know, however, I have my suspicions. They just keep telling me I'm "paranoid". Yeah, right.
[16:33]  * Roguehorse so yeah, they have my MAC and can do *what they want* based on how angry or malicious they want to be.
[16:39]  * Roguehorse my wife (soon to be ex) owns the cell account and monitors my text messages ... that's not really fun either.
[16:46]  * Roguehorse I've had websites blocked, ubuntu updates blocked, email blocked, all kinds of nightmare...then told "it must be your Linux system"
[16:50]  * Roguehorse There are 8 people in the house: Me, wife, son, brother-in-law, sister-in-law (sisters), nephew, niece, mother-in-law
[16:58]  * Roguehorse then people wonder why I'm such and advocate for encryption. My email has been monitored for years and who knows what else when I haven't been traffic monitoring. I'm NOT "paranoid" and I'm NOT dumb.
[17:00] <akk> Most people these days seem to use gmail or other webmail services, so none of their email is private. Nobody seems to care much about privacy.
[17:01]  * akk gave a Toastmasters talk recently about privacy with a lot of detail from Schneir's excellent new book, but nobody's asked her for more info
[17:06] <Roguehorse> akk: That's because *most* people only think it's the GOV doing it and there isn't anything they can do about it. It *can* be done at lower levels too. Trust me, I KNOW!
[17:07]  * Roguehorse I CARE A LOT ABOUT PRIVACY!!!
[17:09]  * Roguehorse the brother-in-law and sister-in-law both work for San Lorenzo Unified. For all I know, they could be piping the signal to a SysAdmin there who again does who knows what with it.
[17:09]  * Roguehorse they could be piping it anywhere!
[17:09]  * akk wonders why Roguehorse is using /me for everything
[17:09] <Roguehorse> lol
[17:09] <Roguehorse> sorry
[17:10] <Roguehorse> web mail is fine, but I don't always want to start up a browser
[17:11] <Roguehorse> it's just easier to have it pull down and then read when I want to
[17:12] <DonkeyHotei> Roguehorse: i can't help but notice you're connected to freenode WITHOUT ssl
[17:12] <Roguehorse> regardless, I shouldn't have to be worrying about it anyway!
[17:13] <Roguehorse> yeah, for whatever reason, when I turn on the ssl it won't connect
[17:13] <DonkeyHotei> have you tried different ports?
[17:13] <akk> I hate webmail clients, but that's not why I don't use gmail; it's the privacy issues that keep me from it.
[17:13] <Roguehorse> no
[17:14] <akk> What would be the point of connecting with ssl to a publically logged IRC channel?
[17:14] <Roguehorse> I'm not worried about it, but thank you for asking
[17:14] <DonkeyHotei> akk: e-mail is not private by definition unless you encrypt, and you can encrypt gmail so google can't read it
[17:15] <Roguehorse> most likely, the in-laws have a "haunt" monitoring what I say in here too
[17:15] <akk> True. But the chances of mail to some random server getting snooped by intermediate sites is tiny
[17:15] <DonkeyHotei> ssl encrypts between the client and the server, which is where his insecure link is
[17:15] <akk> while the chance of gmail getting snooped is 100%.
[17:16] <akk> Obviously, anything REALLY private and secret shouldn't be sent by unencrypted email at all.
[17:16] <Roguehorse> akk: +100
[17:17] <Roguehorse> at minimum, I at least sign so people know it did actually come from me
[17:17] <Roguehorse> it's hard to get people to use the encryption though
[17:18] <DonkeyHotei> i used to sign but it would make my msgs get rejected
[17:18] <Roguehorse> some people have been understanding of my situation
[17:18] <Roguehorse> oh, yeah, I suppose that could happen too
[17:18] <akk> I figured out how to configure mutt to handle signatures once, but it was such a pain, and so slow, and gave me no actual useful info, that I turned it off again.
[17:19] <Roguehorse> I have that working, works great for me. I could try and send you the info to set it up?
[17:19] <akk> It tells me that someone signed it, but how do I know it's the person they claim to be?
[17:19] <akk> And even though I have a key signed on a public key server, other people's keys are never on the same server
[17:20] <akk> and this "web of trust" idea doesn't seem to work, there never seemed to be any link among different key servers.
[17:20] <Roguehorse> hmmm...mine checks the signature to the ones I have saved and tells me "good signature"
[17:20] <akk> Sure, if I had local public keys for people I was getting signed email from, then that would be useful information.
[17:20] <Roguehorse> have to check multiple servers ... yeah, that area needs work
[17:21] <Roguehorse> MIT is pretty reliable
[17:21] <akk> My key is on whatever server they happened to be using at the keysigning I went to. :)
[17:21] <Roguehorse> =)
[17:22] <Roguehorse> I think mine are on all of them .... I'm usually pretty good with making surethey're available
[17:23] <akk> I don't really grok how the whole keyserver thing is supposed to work. I think this signing thing is designed for people who use it all the time and are really knowledgeable
[17:23] <akk> but it's not at all well designed for people who just want to say "maybe if I turn on signatures I'll have a little more email security".
[17:23] <Roguehorse> I have maybe one key I haven't made public ... the one for Mailvelope for GMail
[17:25] <Roguehorse> the public key is just made available to everyone so they *can* send you an encrypted message AND verify your signature when you send signed. Without it and verifying, signed doesn't mean much.
[17:27] <Roguehorse> you do have more security signing, if the mail is tampered with along the way, as in *edited* then the signature turns out bad and the receiver will know that the message has been tampered with along the way
[17:27] <akk> Right. E.g. if I get signed email from jane@example.com, then unless I go and look for jane's web page to see if she has her public key there somewhere for download,
[17:28] <akk> her signed mail doesn't really tell me anything
[17:28] <Roguehorse> I even have DKMS installed on my emails
[17:28] <akk> and that's a bunch of extra steps and searching
[17:28] <akk> so it made no sense for me to leave signatures on by default in mutt for every message.
[17:29] <akk> If there's a particular message where I care enough to go to that work (has never happened, but could some day) I could always turn it on just for that message.
[17:29] <Roguehorse> well, it's not really about you so much as it is about *them* and letting them know you've done what you can
[17:30] <Roguehorse> I do it anyway, whether or not the other end cares enough to follow up is on them, I did what I could on my end
[17:31] <Roguehorse> all it takes is *ONE* person to start to care before it becomes *TWO*
[17:33] <Roguehorse> even if I'm the *ONLY* one, I have faith that more people will start to care .... especially these days =/
[17:35] <Roguehorse> I also realise that my particular situation is *NOT* normal so I take the precautions that I believe are necessary and *pray* that some understand and work with me ... I don't get many
[17:35] <Roguehorse> but some do =)
[17:46] <Roguehorse> I haven't been able to get Dropbox to install or SpiderOak either since I had to rebuild my system ... oh yeah, I had a system crash 2 weeks ago.
[17:47] <Roguehorse> someone's been trying to stop me from file sharing
[17:48] <Roguehorse> probably because I posted that link to that old email with all those addresses in that blog post ... I took that link down after I calmed down a bit
[17:48] <DonkeyHotei> have you tried any of the "vpn services" out there?
[17:49] <Roguehorse> I still have way, Google is working fine so I've been using that
[17:50] <Roguehorse> I have some servers I still have access to as well
[17:50] <Roguehorse> SpiderOak is nice because it's all TNO between client, host, storage
[17:51] <Roguehorse> 2G free
[17:52] <Roguehorse> but if your network admin (or someone with admin rights) blocks the data stream to pull the install packages, you're screwed right?
[17:53] <Roguehorse> so then we're at who has been given that information?
[17:53] <DonkeyHotei> you can vpn to any server you have access to
[17:55] <Roguehorse> true, but they can also actively cut the port ... been there believe it or not. Sometimes I VPN through HE and  they're pretty understanding about it
[17:55] <DonkeyHotei> port 22?
[17:55] <Roguehorse> no
[17:55] <DonkeyHotei> you can vpn to any server you have access to
[17:55] <DonkeyHotei> it's the -w flag to ssh
[17:56] <Roguehorse> yes, I know, TY
[17:56] <Roguehorse> I do waht I can when I have to
[17:57] <Roguehorse> my life is already kind of messed up enough with my medical issues, I don't need network issues imposed by mean people too ... but I deal with them
[17:58] <DonkeyHotei> before ssh had a -w, i came up with a way to vpn to any server, no root or privileges needed
[17:59] <Roguehorse> this is the ugliest divorce I've gone through so far .... just mean for no reason other than to be mean
[17:59] <DonkeyHotei> how many?
[17:59] <Roguehorse> ok, that sounds scary
[17:59] <Roguehorse> huh, this is my 3rd
[17:59] <Roguehorse> I'm NOT getting married again thanks
[18:00] <Roguehorse> 19, 28, 45
[18:00] <akk> Three divorces doesn't sound promising.
[18:01] <Roguehorse> I'm a borderline workaholic and introvert so put the two together and I'm kind of a boring person
[18:03] <DonkeyHotei> you divorced at 19?
[18:03] <Roguehorse> my Dad is kind of the same way really
[18:04] <Roguehorse> yep, well, maybe 20. It was short lived for sure.
[18:04] <Roguehorse> married the HS girlfriend and we had a studio in Manteca together then moved to Modesto a little later
[18:05] <Roguehorse> long story =/
[18:05] <Roguehorse> someday I'll tell you about it
[18:06] <Roguehorse> I have lots of stories to share and I'm happy to do so =)
[18:07] <Roguehorse> unfortunately, I can't really get around anymore so it's hard for me to get anywhere...hopefully the doctors are going to get busy here soon
[18:09] <Roguehorse> oh, and my car's broke down just 3 days before my custody appointment, imagine that? I got a ride anyway *thankfully* but I don't know how to fix it so it's sitting in the driveway
[18:10] <Roguehorse> I'm waiting for my sheriff friend from Livermore to get back from vacation to come over and help me out
[18:10] <Roguehorse> he *knows* cars
[18:11] <Roguehorse> and I *trust* him
[18:16] <blitz> trust is important with car problems
[18:16] <blitz> luckily I have a bunch of family mechanics
[18:17] <Roguehorse> yeah, I studied in JC 20 years ago but now? Hell no! Just the basics is all I mess with
[18:19] <Roguehorse> it will start and run but the idle and accell are all messed up
[18:19] <DonkeyHotei> this brings back a lot of memories: http://www.howardforums.com/archive/index.php/t-1347185.html
[18:19] <darthrobot> Title: [HOWTO: Use T-Zones to Get Unrestricted Internet on your Laptop Without Paying $30/mo [Archive] - HowardForums: Your Mobile Phone Community & Resource]
[18:19] <DonkeyHotei> i'm "dgi" in that thread
[18:20] <DonkeyHotei> specifically of interest is http://web.archive.org/web/20090106165650/http://wiki.buici.com/wiki/Slirp_Tunneled_over_SSH
[18:20] <darthrobot> Title: [Slirp Tunneled over SSH - Buici]
[18:22] <Roguehorse> TY, I'll keep those tricks in mind
[18:23] <Roguehorse> I'm actually suspecting a little less hassle since I've been more *open* about my situation
[18:23] <Roguehorse> who knows
[18:23] <DonkeyHotei> the shell script in question is now at http://danielg4.drivehq.com/danielg4/slirplink
[18:23] <darthrobot> [R: danielg4.firstcloudit.com] Content type: [application/x-msdownload] Size: [7368]
[18:24] <Roguehorse> got it, thanks =)
[18:25] <Roguehorse> at least I can download now ... they had that function blocked over the last few weeks from anything other than Tor
[18:25] <DonkeyHotei> this was all made mostly obsolete when ssh introduced -w
[18:26] <Roguehorse> ah man! Then why am I messing with it? I thought you were throwing me bones?
[18:27] <DonkeyHotei> well if one does not work there is the other
[18:27] <Roguehorse> good point +1 ... TY
[18:29] <Roguehorse> one of the worst parts of all this is the spoofing ... I don't know for sure *who* is sending me my text messages. The person I *think* it is or someone else MITM
[18:29] <Roguehorse> That's the biggest issue I've been dealing with for YEARS!
[18:30] <DonkeyHotei> there are many online text msg providers, no need to use your phone plan
[18:30] <Roguehorse> NOT my phone plan
[18:31] <Roguehorse> NOT my internet plan
[18:31] <Roguehorse> =(
[18:32] <Roguehorse> The internet, I think was planned from the beginning in all honesty
[18:32] <Roguehorse> kid you not
[18:32] <Roguehorse> so since 2008
[18:37] <Roguehorse> To be honest? When I switched to Linux in 2009 is when all HELL really broke loose. It got *really* ugly around the house..*REALLY* ugly
[18:41] <Roguehorse> why anyone would care that I don't use MS I have no idea...but it was a HUGE ordeal
[18:41] <Roguehorse> has been ever since
[18:45] <DonkeyHotei> so, then, you'll also be looking for a place to live that's wheelchair-accessible…
[18:47] <Roguehorse> kind of, yeah...I can use a cane but it's *REALLY* slow and *REALLY* painful
[18:49] <Roguehorse> this is all righ now, still waiting on doctors to try and figure something out ... maybe .. we don't know until I get the biopsy done
[18:50] <Roguehorse> I don't think it would be safe for me to live without someone I can *REALLY* trust nearby in my current condition
[18:50] <DonkeyHotei> in a more ideal world, the medical issues would wait until after the divorce
[18:51] <Roguehorse> I own 25% of the house so I'm stuck here for now with no income anyway
[18:51] <Roguehorse> they are .. no choice in it really .. county is pretty good for coverage but slow to move
[18:52] <Roguehorse> or MediCal anyway
[18:52] <DonkeyHotei> depends on which county
[18:53] <Roguehorse> Alameda
[18:53] <Roguehorse> my PCP appt is in Sep for referral
[18:54] <Roguehorse> I don't know if I can push it or not .. seems not .. in the meantime I'm just all messed up and on meds
[18:54] <DonkeyHotei> alameda is one of the better ones
[18:55] <Roguehorse> I know, I really want to stay living within Alameda
[18:56] <Roguehorse> Ohlone cut my Fall class so I don't even have that to look forward to
[18:57] <Roguehorse> I'm even scribbled in their Fall course book already but the Dean said she doesn't have the class on her schedule so I'm "off the hook" as she put it
[18:58] <Roguehorse> I'm supposed to teach LPIC-2 in the Spring and LPIC-1 in the Fall
[18:58] <Roguehorse> it's not a lot of money but hey, better than nothing
[19:02] <Roguehorse> when I got brought on I asked about my classes getting cut and I was *told* not to worry about it as the bundle all of CNET studenst together to make numbers for ALL classes
[19:03] <Roguehorse> since the entry level courses are always over full, I wouldn't have to concern with low enrollment
[19:03] <Roguehorse> maybe that only applied to everyone but me? =/
[19:06] <Roguehorse> Oh, I also got beat up BIG TIME for going to a private college ... all the years I was going
[19:07] <Roguehorse> the in-laws are BIG TIME union
[19:07] <Roguehorse> SEIU1021
[19:24] <Roguehorse> ...and people wonder why I have such a hard time quitting smoking ... HA! Try *my* life!
[19:30] <Roguehorse> huh, my Twitter followers just went down by 2 .. imagine that
[22:13] <nhaines> Roguehorse: https://xkcd.com/1181/
[22:13] <darthrobot> Title: [xkcd: PGP]
[22:13] <nhaines> If you want to be extra safe, check that there's a big block of jumbled characters at the bottom.
[22:13] <Roguehorse> LOL! Thanks bro =)
[22:15] <Roguehorse> added some new images to the website but waiting on my TTYL .... slow connection and I'm also trying to push through my firewall
[22:23] <Roguehorse> just going to have to wait it out
[22:25] <Roguehorse> Ugh, KDE Wallet started bugging me .... had to reconfigure it ... what a pita program
[22:27] <DonkeyHotei> i really, really tried to get into kde, multiple times over the years, but it's just, ugh
[22:32] <Roguehorse> Well, I started with 9.10 and I really liked GNOME2 .... but for whatever reason, KDE just really suits me. I like Cinnamon and MATE too though.
[22:41] <Roguehorse> It's odd when I get these people who add me with fake profiles
[22:42] <Roguehorse> I just got one looks like it was put together yesterday
[22:42] <Roguehorse> Google+
[22:45] <Roguehorse> creepy people
[22:46] <Roguehorse> oh yeah! Looks like my webpage updated .. =)
[22:50] <Roguehorse> http://www.roguehorse.net/gallery.html
[22:50] <darthrobot> Title: [Scott DuBois - Gallery]
[23:52] <Roguehorse> internet connection had to be reset .... I don't know why, but the stupid thing has to be reset like once or twice a week .. Comcast