[00:04] <gamerchick02> wait. the presentation is on a Windows 8 computer?
[00:05] <gamerchick02> (yes i just noticed)
[00:25] <cmaloney> Heh
[00:26] <cmaloney> We allow all walks of computing life
[00:31] <gamerchick02> :) very nice. even my menagerie of windows, mac, ubuntu, ios, and android? (I have a device ZOO i tell you.)
[01:10] <cscheib> mramm seems to be having connectivity issues, heh
[02:39] <aisrael> cscheib: I use juju on osx full-time. I haven't tried the public beta yet, but I have a spare machine I can try it on. What problems are you running into?
[02:46] <cscheib> aisrael: well, it's not in the hardcoded support list, not sure if there'd be anything else that would prevent it from being used.  jrwren opened a bug, so it may be taken care of soon.  not a huge deal, since I have a second laptop, but thought I'd bring it up
[03:51] <aisrael> cscheib: Gotcha. I assume you're not trying to use the local provider, right?
[03:54] <cscheib> yea, I know better than that
[03:55] <cscheib> the juju command just plain fails on 10.11 (el capitan) regardless
[03:55] <aisrael> *nod* that should be an easy enough fix
[03:55] <cscheib> I've got htings up and running on my digitalocean vps for the CLI
[03:55] <cscheib> to AWS
[03:57] <aisrael> Found where to patch it. We'll see what my weekend looks like, though.
[03:57] <cscheib> is there a tool you're supposed to use to troubleshoot failed builds?  I tried a mediawiki bundle... mysql worked, mediawiki did not
[03:57] <cscheib> <-- first time really playing around too much with it
[03:58] <cscheib> or do you just log into the sys to resolve issues
[03:58] <aisrael> every unit should have an individual log in /var/log/juju-*/
[03:58] <aisrael> depending on the error, it may be a matter of sshing in, or running juju resolved unitname/0 -r
[03:58] <cscheib> cool
[03:58] <cscheib> thanks!
[04:03] <cscheib> interesting.  the rails one failed too
[04:10] <aisrael> jwren: cscheib: patch for el capitan submitted
[04:11] <cscheib> ++
[12:07] <cmaloney> Morning
[12:08] <brousch> Yes
[12:09] <cmaloney> Yay!
[15:14] <DrDaemonEye> morning
[15:18] <jrwren> good morning
[15:18] <DrDaemonEye> how goes jrwren?
[15:18] <jrwren> well enough, how goes with you?
[15:18] <DrDaemonEye> It goes.  Quiet day in IRC World.
[15:19] <greg-g> west coast is still waking up :)
[15:20] <DrDaemonEye> that they are.  And the east coast is looking at the lunch rush soon
[15:32] <cscheib> what rush... people dont' all work from home? :P
[15:39] <jrwren> at home with wife and daughter. lunch rush consists of a line at the fridge.
[15:47] <jrwren> tomorrow is my birthday.
[16:29] <cmaloney> Morning / Afternoon
[16:29] <cmaloney> Happy tomorrow-is-your-birthday jrwren
[16:37] <cscheib> jrwren: congrats on your continued survival
[16:38] <jrwren> thanks
[16:38] <cscheib> I may be out in A2 for lunch tomorrow
[16:40] <jrwren> cscheib: I'll be heading to west mi for vaca
[16:40] <cscheib> gotcha
[17:47] <brousch> jrwren: We're happy to have you visit!
[18:11] <jrwren> brousch: I'll be down in 3 oaks.
[18:26] <brousch> That's SW michigan, not West Michigan
[18:38] <jrwren> brousch: thanks. I'll tell people that now.
[20:04] <jcastro> cscheib: how's the juju/osx experience so far?
[20:04] <jcastro> we punch you in the teeth enough times?
[20:06] <cscheib> jcastro: I gave up on the OSX part of it
[20:06] <brousch> gOOD MAN
[20:06] <jcastro> cscheib: I want you to tell Ramm that exact thing.
[20:06] <cscheib> oh?
[20:07] <jcastro> well yeah, if someone like you can give up, normal people would have given up long before
[20:07] <cscheib> juju was looking for brew, but I think it was looking in the wrong location, because I installed homebrew via boxen
[20:07] <cscheib> so I just installed the juju command on my DO droplet
[20:07] <jcastro> rick_h_: http://gizmodo.com/moto-x-style-hands-on-a-great-smartphone-with-a-price-1720576796/1723666356
[20:08] <cscheib> my non-certified ubuntu cloud image droplet :P
[20:08] <jcastro> cscheib: yeah, we have a vagrant box too
[20:08] <cscheib> yea, pondered that
[20:08] <cscheib> I may try it on my windows workstation.,
[20:09] <cscheib> I got juju itself up and running, but the 2 bundles I've tried so far haven't come up properly
[20:09] <jcastro> which ones?
[20:09] <cscheib> I tried the single rails one, and the mediawiki one
[20:09] <jcastro> ah
[20:09] <jcastro> "nice"
[20:09] <jcastro> aisrael: see ^^ it's shit like this
[20:10] <jcastro> cscheib: I'm going to use your experience as an excuse to fix shit
[20:10] <cscheib> the mediawiki one was in the juju-quickstart example on the site
[20:10] <cmaloney> cscheib: You're in for it now
[20:10] <cmaloney> jcastro is on the case
[20:10] <cmaloney> HEADS WILL ROLL
[20:10] <cscheib> the rails one was super simple looking, so I figured that'd be fine, too
[20:10] <aisrael> jcastro: yep, tell me about it. A thousand papercuts.
[20:11] <jcastro> the rails one is a fragile chef thing
[20:11] <jcastro> which is unfortunate
[20:11] <jcastro> the mediawiki one there's no excuse
[20:11] <jcastro> that's just some php
[20:11] <cmaloney> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/One%20Hundred%20Papercuts
[20:11] <jcastro> cmaloney: that's only three digits though
[20:12] <cmaloney> If that trend line continues it'll be four digits. ;)
[20:12] <cscheib> I should probably mess with some charms/bundles that actually work
[20:12] <cscheib> any good (small) examples?
[20:13] <cscheib> I'm doing this on the "free" AWS tier, so it can't be too nutty
[20:13] <aisrael> cscheib: wordpress probably works
[20:13] <jcastro> juju-gui
[20:13] <aisrael> That's a vanilla example, but one that's fairly-well tested
[20:13] <cscheib> the juju gui comes up fine
[20:13] <jcastro> and if that breaks at a minimum that's jrwren's fault
[20:13] <jcastro> free tier is tough, because t1.micros are kind of shit
[20:13] <cscheib> juju-quickstart deploys via juju-gui regardless of which bundle you install
[20:13] <aisrael> jcastro: I've fixed the mediawiki charm more than once. I'd like to hunt down whoever keeps breaking it
[20:14] <cscheib> er vice versa
[20:14] <jcastro> aisrael: hasn't been touched since november last year afaict
[20:15] <cscheib> unfortunately, I'm also reading a bunch of Ruby books (I know I know), so I'm not sure I have the mindpower to devote fully to learning all about charms (and consequently troubleshoot) at this moment
[20:15] <cscheib> although, it would probably be to my benefit to learn how to build one
[20:15] <jcastro> if it wasn't all crackrock ruby it's not that tough
[20:15] <jcastro> they just run as root on the instance right at boot
[20:15] <jcastro> so, they can be shell, python, etc.
[20:15] <aisrael> jcastro: Might fall back to the automated testing, which seems to be a hot mess right now. We seriously need to do a spike to address this: http://reports.vapour.ws/latest-bundle-and-charm-results
[20:16] <jcastro> I wish we had a decent puppet example one
[20:16] <cscheib> I'd probably do em in Puppet, bash, or Ruby, as those're what I know best
[20:16] <aisrael> I mean, mysql and postgresql are both failing right now, ffs
[20:16] <jcastro> that can't be right
[20:16] <jcastro> http://reports.vapour.ws/all-bundle-and-charm-results/cs%3Atrusty%252Fpostgresql
[20:16] <jcastro> there's no way that's correct
[20:17] <cscheib> you guys allow deploys to be released that fail?
[20:17] <jcastro> I suspect the bundle tester is busted and we didn't notice
[20:17] <cscheib> or is that in dev
[20:17] <jcastro> this is dev
[20:17] <jcastro> but like, for certain things it's more tested than others
[20:17] <aisrael> jcastro: bunch of lint errors
[20:17] <jcastro> yeah, I mean, that should be fixed but red across the board seems suspect.
[20:17] <aisrael> Like, we only test when a new version is out, but that doesn't catch underlying library changes
[20:17] <cscheib> after Ruby, test frameworks are my next thing to attack
[20:18] <aisrael> jcastro: If you need a +1 about this focusing on this stuff, you have mine
[20:18] <jcastro> aisrael: I'm kind of just going to call ramm right now