[00:04] wait. the presentation is on a Windows 8 computer? [00:05] (yes i just noticed) [00:25] Heh [00:26] We allow all walks of computing life [00:31] :) very nice. even my menagerie of windows, mac, ubuntu, ios, and android? (I have a device ZOO i tell you.) [01:10] mramm seems to be having connectivity issues, heh [02:39] cscheib: I use juju on osx full-time. I haven't tried the public beta yet, but I have a spare machine I can try it on. What problems are you running into? [02:46] aisrael: well, it's not in the hardcoded support list, not sure if there'd be anything else that would prevent it from being used. jrwren opened a bug, so it may be taken care of soon. not a huge deal, since I have a second laptop, but thought I'd bring it up [03:51] cscheib: Gotcha. I assume you're not trying to use the local provider, right? [03:54] yea, I know better than that [03:55] the juju command just plain fails on 10.11 (el capitan) regardless [03:55] *nod* that should be an easy enough fix [03:55] I've got htings up and running on my digitalocean vps for the CLI [03:55] to AWS [03:57] Found where to patch it. We'll see what my weekend looks like, though. [03:57] is there a tool you're supposed to use to troubleshoot failed builds? I tried a mediawiki bundle... mysql worked, mediawiki did not [03:57] <-- first time really playing around too much with it [03:58] or do you just log into the sys to resolve issues [03:58] every unit should have an individual log in /var/log/juju-*/ [03:58] depending on the error, it may be a matter of sshing in, or running juju resolved unitname/0 -r [03:58] cool [03:58] thanks! [04:03] interesting. the rails one failed too [04:10] jwren: cscheib: patch for el capitan submitted [04:11] ++ [12:07] Morning [12:08] Yes [12:09] Yay! [15:14] morning [15:18] good morning [15:18] how goes jrwren? [15:18] well enough, how goes with you? [15:18] It goes. Quiet day in IRC World. [15:19] west coast is still waking up :) [15:20] that they are. And the east coast is looking at the lunch rush soon [15:32] what rush... people dont' all work from home? :P [15:39] at home with wife and daughter. lunch rush consists of a line at the fridge. [15:47] tomorrow is my birthday. [16:29] Morning / Afternoon [16:29] Happy tomorrow-is-your-birthday jrwren [16:37] jrwren: congrats on your continued survival [16:38] thanks [16:38] I may be out in A2 for lunch tomorrow [16:40] cscheib: I'll be heading to west mi for vaca [16:40] gotcha [17:47] jrwren: We're happy to have you visit! [18:11] brousch: I'll be down in 3 oaks. [18:26] That's SW michigan, not West Michigan [18:38] brousch: thanks. I'll tell people that now. [20:04] cscheib: how's the juju/osx experience so far? [20:04] we punch you in the teeth enough times? [20:06] jcastro: I gave up on the OSX part of it [20:06] gOOD MAN [20:06] cscheib: I want you to tell Ramm that exact thing. [20:06] oh? [20:07] well yeah, if someone like you can give up, normal people would have given up long before [20:07] juju was looking for brew, but I think it was looking in the wrong location, because I installed homebrew via boxen [20:07] so I just installed the juju command on my DO droplet [20:07] rick_h_: http://gizmodo.com/moto-x-style-hands-on-a-great-smartphone-with-a-price-1720576796/1723666356 [20:08] my non-certified ubuntu cloud image droplet :P [20:08] cscheib: yeah, we have a vagrant box too [20:08] yea, pondered that [20:08] I may try it on my windows workstation., [20:09] I got juju itself up and running, but the 2 bundles I've tried so far haven't come up properly [20:09] which ones? [20:09] I tried the single rails one, and the mediawiki one [20:09] ah [20:09] "nice" [20:09] aisrael: see ^^ it's shit like this [20:10] cscheib: I'm going to use your experience as an excuse to fix shit [20:10] the mediawiki one was in the juju-quickstart example on the site [20:10] cscheib: You're in for it now [20:10] jcastro is on the case [20:10] HEADS WILL ROLL [20:10] the rails one was super simple looking, so I figured that'd be fine, too [20:10] jcastro: yep, tell me about it. A thousand papercuts. [20:11] the rails one is a fragile chef thing [20:11] which is unfortunate [20:11] the mediawiki one there's no excuse [20:11] that's just some php [20:11] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/One%20Hundred%20Papercuts [20:11] cmaloney: that's only three digits though [20:12] If that trend line continues it'll be four digits. ;) [20:12] I should probably mess with some charms/bundles that actually work [20:12] any good (small) examples? [20:13] I'm doing this on the "free" AWS tier, so it can't be too nutty [20:13] cscheib: wordpress probably works [20:13] juju-gui [20:13] That's a vanilla example, but one that's fairly-well tested [20:13] the juju gui comes up fine [20:13] and if that breaks at a minimum that's jrwren's fault [20:13] free tier is tough, because t1.micros are kind of shit [20:13] juju-quickstart deploys via juju-gui regardless of which bundle you install [20:13] jcastro: I've fixed the mediawiki charm more than once. I'd like to hunt down whoever keeps breaking it [20:14] er vice versa [20:14] aisrael: hasn't been touched since november last year afaict [20:15] unfortunately, I'm also reading a bunch of Ruby books (I know I know), so I'm not sure I have the mindpower to devote fully to learning all about charms (and consequently troubleshoot) at this moment [20:15] although, it would probably be to my benefit to learn how to build one [20:15] if it wasn't all crackrock ruby it's not that tough [20:15] they just run as root on the instance right at boot [20:15] so, they can be shell, python, etc. [20:15] jcastro: Might fall back to the automated testing, which seems to be a hot mess right now. We seriously need to do a spike to address this: http://reports.vapour.ws/latest-bundle-and-charm-results [20:16] I wish we had a decent puppet example one [20:16] I'd probably do em in Puppet, bash, or Ruby, as those're what I know best [20:16] I mean, mysql and postgresql are both failing right now, ffs [20:16] that can't be right [20:16] http://reports.vapour.ws/all-bundle-and-charm-results/cs%3Atrusty%252Fpostgresql [20:16] there's no way that's correct [20:17] you guys allow deploys to be released that fail? [20:17] I suspect the bundle tester is busted and we didn't notice [20:17] or is that in dev [20:17] this is dev [20:17] but like, for certain things it's more tested than others [20:17] jcastro: bunch of lint errors [20:17] yeah, I mean, that should be fixed but red across the board seems suspect. [20:17] Like, we only test when a new version is out, but that doesn't catch underlying library changes [20:17] after Ruby, test frameworks are my next thing to attack [20:18] jcastro: If you need a +1 about this focusing on this stuff, you have mine [20:18] aisrael: I'm kind of just going to call ramm right now