[00:00] <ToyKeeper> Well, that's exciting.  Looks like the first new dev-proposed image is a brick.
[00:00] <ToyKeeper> At least, on arale.  Looks like that stream wasn't ready to unpause yet.
[01:01] <robru> Oh my.
[06:16] <bzoltan_> robru:  Something is strange with the Vivid + Overlay PPA + Silo setup...
[06:16] <robru> bzoltan_: hm?
[06:16] <bzoltan_> robru: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12068923/
[06:17] <robru> bzoltan_: yeah the ppa is pinned, that's on purpose
[06:17] <bzoltan_> robru:  why it wants to remove pretty much all packages http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12068935/
[06:17] <robru> bzoltan_: what version of citrain tool are you using?
[06:17] <bzoltan_> robru:  how do we test?
[06:17] <bzoltan_> robru:  I d not use citrain
[06:17] <bzoltan_> tool
[06:18] <robru> bzoltan_: yeah you're gonna need the citrain tool to install from silos
[06:18] <bzoltan_> robru: why? i do not want that
[06:18] <bzoltan_> robru:  why can not I add PPAs just on any system?
[06:18] <robru> bzoltan_: why don't you want it? it automates enabling and instaling silos, precisely the problem you're having
[06:18] <bzoltan_> robru:  it used to work
[06:19] <robru> bzoltan_: I can't remember the exact reasons the overlay ppa was pinned, you'd have to ask slangasek about that. there was a reason though
[06:19] <bzoltan_> robru:  I do not want extra tools when i am comfortable with a lower layer method
[06:19] <robru> bzoltan_: well then you'll have to start pinning the silo PPAs too
[06:19] <bzoltan_> robru:  what does it mean "pinned" ?
[06:20] <robru> bzoltan_: in your first paste, there are priority numbers, eg 100, 1001, 500. if a ppa is defined to have a higher priority number, it is "pinned" and versions from there are preferred.
[06:20] <bzoltan_> robru:  right... how to pin the silo?
[06:21] <robru> bzoltan_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto#Example_.231:_Pinning_the_ubuntu-x-swat.2Fq-lts-backport-precise_PPA pick a number higher than 1001
[06:23] <bzoltan_> robru: thanks ...
[06:24] <robru> bzoltan_: if you find that too onerous, you can install phablet-tools-citrain from phablet-tools ppa and it does this for you.
[06:25] <bzoltan_> robru:  hmm... how to say...
[06:25] <bzoltan_> robru:  I do prefer to play with the tools proven to be helpful and not blocker :)
[06:26] <bzoltan_> robru:  so if it is possible to avoid extra layers of tool then i prefer to do so
[06:27] <robru> bzoltan_: well you're welcome to do what you like, most QA people and a few devs are using this tool because it's a standard way of installing a silo, saves typing, improves consistency etc. just don't use the version in vivid because it doesn't have the fix for the issue you're seeing
[06:28] <bzoltan_> robru: I am not typing anything either :) I run the UITK test plan script and it does it all for me ... without hiting my head to the wall :)
[06:29] <robru> bzoltan_: do you have a link for that?
[06:29] <bzoltan_> robru: sure -> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/staging/view/head:/tests/uitk_test_plan.sh
[06:29] <bzoltan_> robru:  I am using this tool for ages ... pretty much on a daily base.
[06:31] <robru> bzoltan_: did you just have a vacation or something? overlay ppa has been pinned for weeks now. old news
[06:31] <bzoltan_> robru: I did have vacation yes...
[06:31] <robru> bzoltan_: here's our code for pinning PPA: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/phablet-tools/trunk/view/head:/citrain#L98
[06:32] <robru> bzoltan_: that's been necessary since may 7th actually. I dunno what  you've been doing.
[06:34] <robru> bzoltan_: your vacation was 3 months long? lol
[06:34] <robru> I don't know how you possibly didn't hit this before now.
[06:35] <bzoltan_> robru: I installed packages from silo17 just yesterday without pinning the silo
[06:35] <bzoltan_> robru:  seriously ... the mir fix I tested out of the silo... I just simple add-apt-repository and installed the package from there
[06:36] <robru> bzoltan_: have you been testing on an ancient image or something?
[06:36] <bzoltan_> robru:  no, fresh flash
[06:37] <robru> bzoltan_: well it's a mystery to me. follow up with slangasek if you want to learn more about why the overlay ppa is pinned and the implications around that
[06:38] <bzoltan_> robru:  anyhow, thanks for your help. I will carry on from here...I do not wish to bother slangasek, he is a busy  man. I trust him and you guys that you know what and why are you doing.
[06:38] <robru> bzoltan_: ok you're welcome
[07:06] <robru> queuebot: nooooo
[07:06] <robru> damn, why didn't I suppress the startup flood last time I was poking at that code...
[07:10] <tsdgeos> robru: yes please vivid+overlay for unity8's landing
[07:11] <robru> tsdgeos: ok one sec
[07:16] <Mirv> robru's day is ever shifting...
[07:16] <robru> Mirv: just one more bug!
[07:17] <robru> actually I just noticed my latest bileto rollout introduced an annoying bug, I should fix that quick
[07:18] <tsdgeos> robru: so basically i need to use https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/stable-phone-overlay as destination ppa
[07:18] <tsdgeos> right?
[07:19] <robru> tsdgeos: yeah, but you need to write it as 'ci-train-ppa-service/ubuntu/stable-phone-overlay'. if you double-click in the text-box it's offered as an autocompletion
[07:19] <robru> tsdgeos: if you click 'edit' on the row you can see the correct value. the linkified version is done for display purposes but you shouldn't enter the full URL there.
[07:19] <tsdgeos> robru: i see, only if i set vivid? what about dual, for those too?
[07:20] <robru> tsdgeos: nope, for dual leave it blank, the train is hard-coded to know that "dual" means wily main archive + vivid overlay, it's a massive corner case.
[07:20] <tsdgeos> oki
[07:29] <robru> boom
[07:33] <Mirv> corner case that's the most common case of them all :)
[07:37] <robru> Mirv: it is the world's greatest corner case.
[07:53] <robru> Mirv: ok sweet, pagination is working: https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/?limit=50&page=2&search=Landed
[07:54] <robru> Mirv: there was a bug where, when the page loaded, it cleared the search terms from the URL, so if you tried to reload the page it took you to the front page. but that's fixed, so it should all be good now
[08:01] <Mirv> robru: great! it's coming better and better!
[08:01] <sil2100> Yaaay
[08:01] <sil2100> \o/
[08:01] <sil2100> My request has been fulfilled!
[08:02] <robru> sil2100: heh, there's still more to do. glad you like it though ;-)
[08:02] <Mirv> sil2100: FYI, as a great documentation feature the one bit about pinning we often have referred to people was broken... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LandingTeam/SiloTestingGuidelines?action=diff&rev2=17&rev1=16
[08:03] <Mirv> sil2100: thanks to zoltan for pointing that out, it really simply didn't work, and also citrain used this other syntax
[08:03] <Mirv> so no wonder people have had problem, since a) the citrain tool is often too old version (if people don't get it from wily or vivid-overlay PPA) and b) the manual way in wiki was wrong
[08:04] <pete-woods> Mirv: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libusermetrics/+bug/1457488 FYI
[08:06] <Mirv> pete-woods: excellent news, that was a simple fix to just drop it! I'll check when it gets to Debian and sync it myself
[08:07] <Mirv> and I'll be then able to drop the Ubuntu delta which was building against Qt5
[08:07] <pete-woods> Mirv: cool. I've just updated that bug to link to the source package for qdjango
[08:07] <pete-woods> yes
[08:07] <pete-woods> you can
[08:07] <pete-woods> he's also updated the packaging to build with qt5 by default now
[08:07] <pete-woods> and that was the only delta
[08:07] <pete-woods> I've updated the bug description now to reflect this
[08:07] <pete-woods> and assigned the packaging bug to you
[08:10] <Mirv> pete-woods: thank you!
[08:12] <pete-woods> :)
[08:15] <sil2100> Mirv: oh! Thanks for fixing that, QA was doing this document so I supposed it was correct
[08:22] <sil2100> wgrant: hey! Could I request a batch copy of those few remaining project translations to the 15.04 series? I uploaded those to the overlay PPA so that translators wouldn't have to look in two different places for all their stable phone translations - I hope that's enough to get them noticible by 15.04?
[08:22] <sil2100> (binary copies from vivid)
[08:22] <sil2100> wgrant: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12069493/ <- here's the list if needed
[08:23] <wgrant> sil2100: If they're in the PPA (even just binary-copied) then I can just rerun the copy script and all will be good.
[08:23] <wgrant> If they're not in the PPA, it will require some code changes.
[08:23] <sil2100> Excellent :) They're in the PPA
[08:23] <wgrant> Great, that makes things much easier. Will run the script.
[08:23] <wgrant> Thanks.
[08:24] <sil2100> Thanks! pitti said that merging vivid+overlay wouldn't be much work, but best if we have all that's needed in one place... and sooner or later we'd get newer versions of those packages in the overlay anyway
[08:24] <sil2100> The list was small so it's not any problem with redundancy
[08:25] <wgrant> Yep, indeed.
[08:43] <tsdgeos> sil2100: what's the procedure now when i remove a branch from a silo? Click assign again?
[08:45] <tsdgeos> robru: or you if you're still around ↑
[08:45] <robru> tsdgeos: yes you must click assign to make your changes take effect
[08:46] <tsdgeos> ktx
[08:46] <robru> You're welcome
[08:46] <sil2100> tsdgeos: it's the same as with the spreadsheet still :)
[08:46] <tsdgeos> with the spreadsheet i remember it was more "annoy people" :D
[08:47] <tsdgeos> well i'm still annoyign you now
[08:47] <tsdgeos> but maybe not in the future :D
[09:28] <sil2100> tsdgeos: hah ;)
[09:32] <sil2100> wgrant: hey! I still don't see ciborium for instance in https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-rtm/15.04/+lang/es <- maybe the binary copy wasn't enough for the templates to get imported?
[09:33] <wgrant> sil2100: Ah, the script hasn't run yet. No webops VG so far.
[09:46] <seb128> Mirv, hey, bug #1406200, it seems like your build isn't using wily-proposed and missing on the libsynthesis rebuilt for gcc5 ... but should I take that another syncevolution landing is being done and we should avoid a source upload?
[09:47] <sil2100> wgrant: ah, ok :) Sorry for being impatient
[09:55] <Mirv> seb128: true, the PPA wasn't using but I also got the same error locally with wily-proposed chroot. retrying now.
[09:56] <seb128> Mirv, k, maybe something wrong in a libsynthesis rdepends
[10:47] <seb128> Mirv, what did you change to fix the syncevo build then?
[10:52] <Mirv> seb128: nothing. either I did not test in fully wily-proposed yesterday or something got fixed meanwhile.
[10:52] <seb128> Mirv, k, good ;-)
[10:52] <Mirv> yes :)
[11:08] <Mirv> bzoltan_: there's no explanation in changelog for any of the debian/rules changes so I wouldn't get an ack if I would ask for one: https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-011-2-publish/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/ubuntu-ui-toolkit_packaging_changes.diff
[11:09] <Mirv> ie the fail-missing removal (why? seems always like a good default) and the docs changes
[11:51] <bzoltan_> Mirv:  that was one suggestion. The dh_install --fail-missing is still there
[11:52] <Mirv> bzoltan_: ah right, you're correct, these are the _asked for_ fixes, so they were actually approved :) even though not mentioned in changelog, these were already shown.
[12:05] <bzoltan_> Mirv:  the bug number is listed in the changelog :)
[12:07] <Mirv> so it is
[12:09] <Mirv> bzoltan_: ^ published
[12:12] <bzoltan_> Mirv:  rock and roll
[12:20] <sil2100> grrrrr
[12:25] <sil2100> ogra_: the i386 build issues for rc-proposed are making me angry
[12:31] <ogra_> sil2100, understandable
[12:53] <Mirv> nice that we have 5MB Nouveau driver on images :)
[13:05] <jhodapp> sil2100, just to make sure I'm reading your last email correctly, the background playlist silo won't require a feature freeze exception to land after QA tests it, yes?
[13:05] <sil2100> jhodapp: when was it subitted for QA sign-off?
[13:05]  * sil2100 off to prepare lunch
[13:05] <dbarth> hey guys, i switched a silo 52 from dual to wily
[13:05] <jhodapp> sil2100, before the FF, but they put it in blocked until I fix a bug
[13:06] <dbarth> and passed on to QA; do i need to purge the silo from vivid packages?
[13:06] <sil2100> It should be able to land in that case I suppose, jibel: ^ ?
[13:07] <jhodapp> ok
[13:12] <jibel> sil2100, jhodapp that's fine to land
[13:12] <jhodapp> jibel, alright great, working on unblocking that now
[13:12] <jibel> sil2100, I blocked it yesterday because it introduced a regression
[13:38] <bfiller> sil2100: silo 22 can be freed, don't need it anymore
[13:40] <bfiller> renatu, charles: I requested indicator transfer for silo 24, but has some problems with the versioning that you'll need to fix
[13:41]  * charles looks
[13:45] <sil2100> bfiller: on it shortly
[13:57] <renatu> charles, looks like you need to push manually the last change log from the package branch
[14:00] <jhodapp> sil2100, is there an updated vivid+overlay channel for flo?
[14:01] <sil2100> jhodapp: what do you mean by 'updated'? ;)
[14:01] <sil2100> jhodapp: ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/ubuntu has flo images built by default
[14:01] <jhodapp> sil2100, recent
[14:01] <sil2100> But we're not testing if those work really...
[14:02] <jhodapp> sil2100, that's what I mean
[14:03] <jhodapp> sil2100, well I'll give it a try then, see what state it's in...it's my only device that will work for me that hasn't broken (my second Arale USB broke)
[14:04] <sil2100> Ouch ;/
[14:17] <charles> renatu, thanks. rebuilding
[14:32] <davmor2> dbarth: silo 52 needs lots of approvals
[14:34] <popey> sil2100: is the OTA-6 image scheduled to be built next week?
[14:34] <sil2100> popey: yessir :)
[14:34] <jibel> popey, next Tuesday
[14:34] <popey> okay.
[14:35] <popey> then released a week later?
[14:36] <jibel> popey, yes
[14:37] <jibel> popey, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LandingTeam/ReleaseSchedule for reference
[14:39] <popey> handy
[14:39] <popey> thanks
[15:00] <slangasek> bzoltan_, robru: the overlay ppa pin gives the phone team the ability to revert any SRU when they need to by uploading/copying an older package to the ppa
[15:26] <bzoltan_> slangasek: that makes perfectly sense. Thanks.
[15:39] <robru> slangasek: do we know in practice how many cases there are of overlay packages being lower than vivid-updates packages?
[15:39] <slangasek> robru: at the moment, I do not
[15:58] <popey> jibel: was HERE tested before uploading to the store?
[15:58] <popey> It's broken - white screen - on retail krillin
[15:58] <jibel> popey, not by us
[15:58] <popey> gah
[15:58] <jibel> popey, which version?
[15:58] <jibel> popey, 1.0.6 fixed the blank page issue
[15:58] <popey> 1.0.6
[15:58] <jibel> hm
[15:58] <popey> blank here
[15:59] <popey> rebooted phone and started here, only app running and it's white
[15:59] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12071990/
[15:59] <popey> thats the log
[16:00] <ogra_> popey, wprks on arale
[16:00] <ogra_> *works
[16:00] <jibel> popey, yeah, they bumped the version of Ubuntu.Components which is not yet on the retail phone
[16:00] <jibel> cwayne, ^^
[16:01] <popey> gah
[16:01] <ogra_> (oh, right, i'm on rc-proposed)
[16:01] <jibel> cwayne, I think you must revert the version you uploaded earlier to the store
[16:04] <cwayne> i didnt upload anything, penk did
[16:04] <cwayne> and he assured us that it was tested :(
[16:04] <ogra_> cwayne, well, obviously not on the right channel
[16:07] <cwayne> is there a way to re-publish an older version?
[16:07] <cwayne> popey: ^
[16:07] <cwayne> ogra_: :/
[16:07] <cwayne> obviously not. it should've gone through qa anyway
[16:07] <ogra_> yeah
[16:12] <popey> cwayne: no, go forwards, make a 1.0.7 which is the same as last known good IMO
[16:13] <popey> cwayne: there _is_ a revert button
[16:13] <popey> cwayne: but last time i used that beuno got grumpy with me :)
[16:13] <popey> more than 400 people have already updated
[16:14] <popey> we should IMO prepare 1.0.7 and run it past QA as a high priority.
[16:14] <popey> sil2100: ^
[16:19] <cwayne> popey: ill work on a fix, in the meantime ive just unpublished it so nobody else updates
[16:19] <popey> okay
[16:19] <popey> cwayne: ping me when you need it reviewing
[16:23] <cwayne> popey: jibel: http://people.canonical.com/~cwayne/com.nokia.heremaps_1.0.7_all.click
[16:23] <cwayne> it just reverts that last change and bumps version to 1.0.7
[16:24] <jibel> davmor2, ^ can you give it a try. It should work on stable but not on rc-proposed
[16:24]  * popey also tests on both rc-proposed and retail
[16:24] <popey> thanks cwayne
[16:27] <popey> jibel: cwayne confirmed, white screen on rc-proposed krillin, working map on retail krillin
[16:27] <jibel> popey, cwayne thanks
[16:32] <sil2100> Oh, so we waiting for a fix?
[16:32] <sil2100> Damn
[16:33] <cwayne> popey: so that's what we wanted right
[16:33] <jibel> cwayne, what we expect yes. What we want is that is works on both :)
[16:33] <jibel> it*
[16:33] <cwayne> well yeah :)
[16:34] <cwayne> but we should obviously focus most on supporting those that paid money for their phones id say :)
[16:35] <jibel> davmor2, can you confirm? it's rather urgent
[16:35] <davmor2> jibel: doing it now
[16:38] <jibel> davmor2, on stable only, it'll be broken on rc-proposed anyway
[16:39] <davmor2> jibel: with that package on rc-proposed I get white and on stable I get a map
[16:40] <davmor2> cwayne: ^
[16:40] <cwayne> jibel: popey sil2100: ok, so am I good to push then
[16:41] <jibel> cwayne, +1
[16:42] <sil2100> cwayne: +1
[16:42] <cwayne> pushed
[16:43] <cwayne> and published
[16:45] <sil2100> wgrant: hey! Do you know if the trasnlation copy happened already?
[16:45] <sil2100> cwayne: \o/ thanks
[16:46] <cwayne> sil2100: happy to help
[17:17] <charles> jibel, https://trello.com/c/iFn6yk4L/2164-145-ubuntu-landing-008-indicator-sound-charlesk has top approval now & is ready for qa
[18:42] <ted> Sorry, new to the non-spreadsheet world. Do I ping a trainguards for a silo for 157?
[18:42] <robru> ted: nope, you can assign your own now!
[18:43] <ted> Oh, my.
[18:43]  * ted is empowered
[18:44] <robru> ted: there's a safety buffer that will prevent you from assigning if we're low on silos but generally it's open-season on silos now.
[18:44] <robru> ted: just please don't make a bunch and then hog them all
[18:44] <robru> we trust you
[18:44] <ted> Heh, mistake number one!
[18:44] <ted> ;-)
[18:44] <robru> ted: http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/random-ness/images/b/b8/Oh_you.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20110419012743
[18:45] <ted> Cool, I'm not landing a ton of stuff right now, so I don't expect to be a problem.
[20:05] <kenvandine> cihelp:  I'm seeing adb errors during settings CI runs
[20:05] <kenvandine> https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/generic-deb-autopilot-runner-vivid-mako/3054/console
[20:09] <kenvandine> cihelp: that was mako-09, jgdx was getting the same error from mako-09 earlier
[20:09] <jgdx> cihelp: and https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/generic-deb-autopilot-runner-vivid-mako/3049/ ^^
[20:09] <jgdx> oh
[20:28] <greyback__> trainguards: could you please delete the ubuntu-settings-components and ubuntu-ui-toolkit packages from silo37
[20:29] <robru> greyback__: sure
[20:29] <robru> greyback__: ok done, might take a minute to fully disappear.
[20:29] <greyback__> robru: thank!
[20:30] <greyback__> thanks! even
[20:30] <robru> greyback__: welcomes!
[20:30] <greyback__> :)
[20:38] <jhodapp> robru, can you please dput qtmultimedia from ppa:jhodapp/ubuntu/ppa into silo 48
[20:48] <fginther> kenvandine, jgdx looking
[20:53] <kenvandine> fginther, thx
[21:01] <robru> jhodapp: sure
[21:39] <jhodapp> robru, thanks
[21:39] <robru> jhodapp: you're welcome
[22:01] <jdstrand> ogra_: am I free to upload apparmor to wily or should I still hold off?
[23:58] <fginther> kenvandine, The makos are now recovered, I've restarted the ubuntu-system-settings MPs that failed due to it.
[23:58] <kenvandine> fginther, thx!