[05:02] <hikiko> hi
[05:29] <didrocks> good morning
[05:53] <pitti> bonjour didrocks !
[05:54] <didrocks> hey pitti, ça va ?
[05:54] <pitti> ça va bien, et toi ?
[05:54] <didrocks> maintenant que je peux reconstruire mes paquets, oui :)
[05:56] <pitti> :)
[06:05] <desrt> good morning, desktop!
[06:05] <pitti> hey desrt, how are you?
[06:05] <desrt> pretty good
[06:06] <didrocks> hey desrt, quite early for you, even in EST time! :)
[06:06] <desrt> have a nice bug i'm working on now and it's one of those ones where the solution is simple but tricky to get right
[06:06] <desrt> so i'm happy :)
[06:06] <desrt> didrocks: i'm in CEST
[06:14] <desrt> hikiko: good morning
[06:17] <didrocks> tjaalton: still crashing…
[06:17]  * didrocks almost lost 20 minutes of writing on my blog
[06:17] <didrocks> (for the Ubuntu Make release)
[06:17] <didrocks> fortunatly chrome is awesome
[06:18] <tjaalton> didrocks: file a new bug on xserver-xorg-video-intel, saying you have the latest
[06:18] <tjaalton> ickle (upstream) will have a look
[06:19] <tjaalton> and then you can switch to uxa (man intel)
[06:20] <didrocks> tjaalton: doing (just after blogging)
[06:21] <tjaalton> thx
[06:21] <tjaalton> you can assign it to me
[06:21] <didrocks> will do, thanks!
[06:22] <tjaalton> what does lspci -nn -s 0:2.0 say?
[06:22] <didrocks> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:0126] (rev 09)
[06:24] <tjaalton> so sandybridge
[06:24] <tjaalton> hm, my t420s has one and wife is using it every day
[06:25] <tjaalton> on trusty but since the crashes happen there too..
[06:25] <didrocks> tjaalton: I never got the crashes before upgrading to wily here
[06:25] <didrocks> so maybe it was less frequent?
[06:26] <didrocks> vivid was fine as well
[06:26] <didrocks> it really started right after upgrading to wily
[06:26] <tjaalton> that's weird then since the driver didn't change, other than a few patches from debian. base version is the same
[06:30] <didrocks> weird, indeed…
[06:30] <tjaalton> maybe other bits make it easier to trigger then
[06:31] <didrocks> can be
[06:40] <desrt> aside: does anyone know when i arrive in heidelberg? :)
[06:40] <didrocks> you just wrote "train", so no :p
[06:40] <desrt> i seem to have temporarily misplaced my yubikey so i can't check the spreadsheet
[06:40] <desrt> i mean which day :)
[06:40] <didrocks> pitti: how to bypass already in apport the check for ubuntu genuine package as I want to report from the ppa? /me doesn't remember
[06:40] <didrocks> desrt: tomorrow
[06:41] <desrt> what?!
[06:41] <didrocks> as Laney and I IIRC
[06:41] <didrocks> let me recheck
[06:41] <desrt> zomg
[06:41] <didrocks> 14/08/2015
[06:41] <didrocks> yep
[06:41] <pitti> didrocks: APPORT_DISABLE_DISTRO_CHECK=1
[06:41] <desrt> insanity
[06:41] <desrt> thanks
[06:41] <didrocks> pitti: many thanks!
[06:41] <didrocks> desrt: I hope you know the time though :p
[06:41] <desrt> i should buy some train tickets or something
[06:42] <didrocks> ahah
[06:42] <didrocks> that was my guess ;)
[06:43] <didrocks> desrt: I arrive at half past 3, Laney at 4something IIRC
[06:43] <desrt> this makes me sad
[06:43] <didrocks> to see us tomorrow? I see :p
[06:43] <desrt> to leave the place where i am now
[06:43] <didrocks> are you going back after debconf?
[06:44] <desrt> back home
[06:49] <RAOF> pitti: Would you be able to upload colord at your leisure?
[06:50] <pitti> RAOF: sure!
[06:50] <pitti> RAOF: hm, the last three releases in git are UNRELEASED
[06:50] <RAOF> Yeah, please mark the last one as to unstable.
[06:50] <pitti> RAOF: can you merge the changelogs?
[06:51] <RAOF> I'm leaving that step to you, because last time I marked an upload as going to experimental it... didn't :)
[06:51] <pitti> ah, ok :)
[06:51] <RAOF> pitti: 1.2.11-1 has already been rejected from NEW, but I can certainly merge the changelogs if you want.
[06:52] <pitti> RAOF: ah, was 1.2.10-1 uploaded at all?
[06:52] <RAOF> No; it sat in my tree marked as “experimental”, and I thought I'd got it uploaded.
[06:53] <pitti> ok, so dch -r/debcommit -r/dput should be done by one person in one go; I'll do that after the changelog merge then
[06:55] <RAOF> Merged changelog entries.
[06:56] <pitti> RAOF: removing existing debian/1.2.11-1 tag FYI
[06:56] <RAOF> pitti: Yeah, good call.
[06:57] <pitti> W: colord source: out-of-date-standards-version 3.9.5 (current is 3.9.6)
[07:10] <pitti> RAOF: uploaded
[07:10] <RAOF> pitti: Ta.
[07:11] <RAOF> I'll fix those nits in git, so the next upload is lintian clean.
[07:11] <RAOF> Modulo manpages for internal binaries, because sod that.
[07:12] <pitti> RAOF: moving them to /usr/lib isn't an option?
[07:12] <RAOF> It probably is.
[08:03] <willcooke> o/
[08:04] <Laney> yo
[08:05] <willcooke> what up Laney
[08:05] <didrocks> morning willcooke, Laney
[08:06] <pitti> hey Laney, how are you?
[08:08] <Laney> hey willcooke didrocks pitti
[08:08] <Laney> doing good!
[08:08] <Laney> tried to watch out for some meteors last night
[08:09] <Laney> saw a few!
[08:09] <pitti> ah, the Perseides?
[08:11] <Laney> yeah - it was supposed to be the peak
[08:11] <Laney> Would have been better if I wasn't in the city though
[08:11] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[08:11] <seb128> hey willcooke Laney pitti
[08:11] <seb128> re didrocks
[08:11] <pitti> bonjour seb128 !
[08:12] <Laney> hey seb128
[08:12] <didrocks> re seb128
[08:26]  * didrocks goes for a run
[08:26] <seb128> didrocks, enjoy!
[08:27] <didrocks> seb128: thanks, especially knowing that the next one will be at debconf with Laney :)
[08:27] <seb128> hehe
[08:27] <seb128> you can jog next to his bike I guess :-)
[08:27] <Laney> oh I didn't know the word for running and cycling were the same in france :)
[08:27] <didrocks> seb128: that may be a way ;)
[08:28]  * didrocks really gone
[08:28] <Laney> get some skates and I can tow you
[08:28] <didrocks> that's not the goal of "exercising", you know ;)
[08:29] <Laney> it'll make *me* work harder
[08:43] <willcooke> The -desktop mailing list is now purged
[08:43] <willcooke> \o/
[08:49] <seb128> willcooke is in charge now, no need to worry anymore good desktop people, your emails are going to be moderated ;-)
[08:52] <willcooke> s/moderated/discarded more regularly
[08:52] <seb128> sounds about right!
[09:35] <willcooke> So it looks like LP sends messages to the mailing list for each commit etc.  Do we want those to be published?  They're held at the moment.  I don't think we want all of them on the list really.
[09:35] <willcooke> Any thoughts one way or the other?
[09:36] <willcooke> oh, except this messages is sent to look like it came from seb128 rather than LP
[09:36] <seb128> willcooke, yeah, launchpad sends comment like they were coming from the user
[09:36] <seb128> and no we don't want them on the list
[09:37] <seb128> usually that happens because somebody subscribed the wrong team to a bug
[09:37] <seb128> e.g ubuntu-desktop
[09:44] <willcooke> ahh
[09:44] <willcooke> right, yeah
[09:45] <willcooke> I guess I'll ignore them and flush the queue once in a while
[09:45] <seb128> +1
[09:45] <seb128> sometime those do reach the list because some of us are subscribed to the list so it goes through
[09:46] <seb128> I usually go to the bug and unsubscribe the team when that happens
[09:46] <willcooke> oki, I can do that
[10:40] <ochosi> hey seb128
[10:40] <ochosi> wanted to ping you quickly about that libreoffice packaging change we (xubuntu) wanted to propose
[10:41] <darkxst> hey desktopers
[10:41] <ochosi> seb128: so to be concrete, the packaging issue in libreoffice i wanted to ask you about is summarized here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1483914
[10:44] <darkxst> Laney, can you take another look at the peripheral settings branches for u-s-d/u-c-c, given up on g-o-a patched g-c-c to not dep on g-o-a 3.16
[10:47] <seb128> hey darkxst ochosi
[10:47] <darkxst> hey seb128
[10:47] <Laney> darkxst: in theory but probably not in the next two days
[10:48] <seb128> darkxst, the goa demote only some binaries approach is not security team approved then?
[10:48] <seb128> ochosi, yeah, alternative recommends seems fine to me
[10:48] <ochosi> seb128: great! anything else we can do to move this ahead?
[10:48] <Laney> someone else would be more satisfactory probably
[10:48] <seb128> ochosi, submit a debdiff for sponsoring? ;-)
[10:49] <Laney> given next week is debconf :(
[10:49] <ochosi> seb128: heh, ok i will try to get that for you (shouldn't that be a one-liner though?)
[10:49] <seb128> ochosi, it should yes ;-)
[10:49] <Laney> bahaha
[10:49] <Laney> have you seen libreoffice's rules file?
[10:49] <seb128> Laney, darkxst, maybe robert_ancell can do revieew
[10:50] <seb128> Laney, no, trying to avoid it!
[10:50] <ochosi> Laney: nope
[10:50] <ochosi> is it *that* good? :)
[10:50] <Laney> have a drink on standby
[10:50] <Laney> seb128: think he declined to do it before?
[10:51] <seb128> yeah, I think he said he didn't have enough clue about the topic
[10:51] <seb128> so good luck to find a reviewer this week I guess...
[10:51] <Laney> join the club
[10:51] <ochosi> hummright
[10:52] <ochosi> so you're saying we should start prepping the FFe already? ;)
[10:53] <seb128> the alternative recommends should require a ffe
[10:54] <Laney> not you
[10:54] <Laney> talking about darkxst's change
[10:56] <seb128> yeah, I was replying to ochosi
[10:58] <Laney> still got a week
[10:58] <Laney> (!!! only a week)
[11:01] <ochosi> oh ok
[11:09] <mitya57> ted, hi, any chance you can top-approve https://code.launchpad.net/~albertsmuktupavels/libappindicator/watch-status-notifier-watcher-dbus-name/+merge/263694 ?
[11:10] <mitya57> this is a rebase of a branch you approved without the part you disapproved :)
[11:15]  * pitti rentre de courier -- trop chaud aujourd'hui !
[11:15] <Laney> desrt: I probably arrive at 18:45
[11:17] <didrocks> pitti: il fait meilleur ici au contraire, c'était facile de courir :)
[11:18] <didrocks> Laney: I think I'll be in the hotel lobby then
[11:19] <pitti> didrocks: c'était dur pour moi, j'ai perdu à aller dans le matin :/
[11:19] <Laney> didrocks: cool!
[11:19] <didrocks> pitti: oui, je me fais piéger aussi parfois
[11:20] <darkxst> seb128, apparently no one thought that out, need webkit binaries in main to build the other stuff! and that is too confusing!
[11:21] <Laney> darkxst: suggest asking robert_ancell again nicely :P
[11:23] <darkxst> Laney, he was not at all keen last time I asked
[11:24] <Laney> :/
[11:26] <Laney> I don't think any of us are likely to know about it, so we'll all have to spend some time getting up to speed
[11:26] <Laney> bleh
[11:26] <Laney> oh well
[11:38] <darkxst> Laney, I could setup a ppa, for testing, but not about to self sponsor without a second set of eyes looking over it
[11:38] <darkxst> but apparently only my eyes understand the patches ;(
[11:41] <Laney> I don't mind doing it, just struggling for time this week
[11:41] <Laney> Just wish someone else would be willing too
[11:46] <seb128> I would be happy to do it, but I want to land the bluez5 transition first and I'm doing sponsoring shift which is really needed and still have some other small things in backlog and debconf coming as well
[11:48] <seb128> darkxst, yeah, I didn't fully understand how that "demote binaries only" was supposed to work, but I had too many other things to try to understand it really or argue
[11:51] <darkxst> seb128, landing bluez5 first is fine, just so long as it gets through beore freeze (Athough I guess it will be a FFe)
[11:53] <darkxst> in theory it works, but only if webkit2 binaries are in main, its not like I have had huge amounts of free cycles to think about this either
[12:26] <seb128> happyaron, can you reply on https://code.launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/ubuntu/wily/libx11/pt_PT-compose/+merge/258526 ?
[12:30] <didrocks> tjaalton: FYI, 2 more crashes in 15 minutes
[12:31] <tjaalton> didrocks: switched to uxa yet?
[12:31] <didrocks> tjaalton: no, doing that now
[12:31] <didrocks> tjaalton: do you think I was using uxa in pre-wily?
[12:31] <tjaalton> no
[12:31] <tjaalton> it's something else triggering it
[12:34] <didrocks> creating a Xorg.conf, so last decade! :)
[12:34] <tjaalton> yep..
[12:52] <didrocks> tjaalton: after another crash, running UXA now…
[12:56] <tjaalton> cool
[15:05] <seb128> does anyone see a reason to not upload bluez5 now?
[15:06] <seb128> we got some testers that said it works fine and nobody came with an "hold on" on the list
[15:15] <seb128> willcooke, Laney, didrocks1, ^ no objection?
[15:15] <Laney> I didn't try it yet, but go for it if you're happy
[15:15] <Laney> there is time to fix stuff
[15:15] <seb128> cyphermox, ^
[15:15] <seb128> right
[15:15] <seb128> I tested it several times and didrocks1 did as well
[15:16] <cyphermox> ah, no objections, by all means it's way overdue :)
[15:16] <seb128> ;-)
[15:16] <seb128> ok, let's do that then
[15:16] <cyphermox> things should Just Work (tm)
[15:16] <cyphermox> though
[15:17] <cyphermox> are we likely to inconvenience the gcc5 transition in any way while fixing the inevitable small things that will break?
[15:17] <seb128> Laney, didrocks1, the transitions ppa is non virtual, is that good enough to archive copy include binaries?
[15:17] <Laney> does it build with proposed?
[15:18] <seb128> unsure, how do I tell?
[15:18] <seb128> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/ubuntu/transitions/+edit doesn't have such details
[15:18] <Laney> in the options page for the PPA
[15:18] <seb128> ah
[15:18] <seb128> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/ubuntu/transitions/+edit-dependencies
[15:18] <seb128> no
[15:18] <Laney> and it doesn't follow archive comopnents
[15:18] <Laney> so probably good to rebuild
[15:19] <seb128> alright
[15:19] <seb128> Laney, thanks
[15:19] <Laney> np
[15:23] <didrocks1> seb128: do a source copy though
[15:23] <didrocks1> that will avoid the upload :)
[15:23] <seb128> didrocks1, right, what we just said
[15:23] <didrocks1> good
[15:23] <seb128> oh, you mean rather than a dput
[15:23] <seb128> yeah
[15:23] <didrocks> yep
[15:24] <didrocks> if the version is good for the archive, of course
[15:24] <didrocks> (and yeah, no objection for me)
[15:25] <willcooke> seb128, +1 BlueZ
[15:26] <seb128> didrocks, Laney, willcooke, cyphermox, thanks, bluez done, let's have fun ;-)
[15:26] <Laney> people were already complaining about wily phone being broken
[15:26] <didrocks> \o/
[15:26] <Laney> let's give them more
[15:26] <Laney> \m/
[15:26] <didrocks> Laney: heh
[15:26] <seb128> haha
[15:26] <seb128> desktop daily doesn't boot either
[15:27] <Laney> srsly
[15:27] <Laney> it got promoted
[15:27] <seb128> yeah
[15:27] <cyphermox> working on it
[15:27] <seb128> bug 1484571
[15:27] <Laney> can we stakeholderify some work to get those tests doing a little bit more?
[15:27] <seb128> Laney, jibel said
 seb128, actually installation works when the the system boots over pxe
[15:27] <seb128>  seb128, which what utah does IITC
[15:27] <cyphermox> I don't know why it got promoted though, not booting should be critical enough for things to fail :)
[15:27] <seb128> cyphermox, ^
[15:27] <cyphermox> yeah
[15:27] <seb128> it boots over pxe
[15:27] <cyphermox> makes sense
[15:28] <seb128> so yeah, maybe we need a way to test that case as well
[15:28] <cyphermox> it's probably broken in isolinux or some such piece way before casper
[15:28] <Laney> i.e. get https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-test-cases/+bug/1477227 prioritised :)
[15:30] <Laney> willcooke: maybe we could get this on the QA team's $agile_term_for_things_to_work_on ?
[15:31] <willcooke> Laney, hrm, I already did.  I will do so again
[15:32] <jibel> Laney, it's already on our $whatever_you_name_the_agile_thing
[15:32] <willcooke> :D
[15:32] <Laney> jibel: nice
[15:32] <Laney> it's just not possible to tell that from looking at the bug :P
[15:54] <jibel> Laney, indeed, we have bug 1479064 blocking ubiquity tests which should have caught this problem. I'll have someone on it after OTA6 if it is not fixed earlier.
[15:54] <willcooke> thx jibel
[16:12] <didrocks> tjaalton: and crashed with UXA then…
[16:13] <tjaalton> didrocks: huh
[16:14] <tjaalton> didrocks: add a trace to the bug again
[16:14] <didrocks> tjaalton: hum, isn't what I've done?
[16:14] <didrocks> gdb.txt
[16:14] <didrocks> (see my comment)
[16:15] <tjaalton> yes, but that was with sna
[16:15] <tjaalton> the default
[16:15] <didrocks> ah, you want another one with UXA? ok
[16:15]  * didrocks cleans up /var/crash for next instance
[16:44] <dholbach> hey hey
[16:46] <dholbach> seb128 did quite a bit of sponsoring today, can somebody else help take a look at the remaining items on http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/?
[16:46] <seb128> dholbach, hey
[16:46] <dholbach> thanks again seb128
[16:46] <seb128> dholbach, yw!
[16:46] <dholbach> sorry ... above I meant remaining desktop-ish items
[16:47] <seb128> dholbach, you might want to chase up people on other channels than desktop ;-)
[16:47] <dholbach> there's even a few from your team mates
[16:47] <seb128> yeah
[16:48] <seb128> Laney, wasn't https://code.launchpad.net/~attente/unity-control-center/non-gnome-unity-ibus-support/+merge/238293 made for you? you could test it ;-)
[16:48] <Laney> I don't have this setup any more
[16:48] <Laney> but could do in theory
[16:49] <seb128> oh ok, well if you don't have the setup it's not easier for you than for somebody else
[16:49]  * Laney is all unity now
[16:49]  * Laney the company man
[16:51] <seb128> \o/
[16:57] <seb128> k, going for some exercice
[16:57] <seb128> have fun everyone, see you tomorrow
[16:57] <dholbach> have a great evening!
[16:57] <seb128> thanks, you too ;-)
[17:08] <Laney> right then, ttyl!
[17:08] <Laney> I won't be reliably online tomorrow
[17:08] <Laney> will be shuffling eastwards
[17:08]  * Laney hopes passport is in date
[17:09] <willcooke> g'night all - safe travels those of you travelling
[17:11] <Laney> happyaron: what's the weather like there?
[17:11] <Laney> holy crap, 32°?
[17:57] <seb128> woot, bluez5&co already migrated to wily, well handled transition ;-)
[18:00] <mitya57> \o/
[18:15] <seb128> bah, in fact no, some packages migrated that clean deprecated depends or enable support for both version but bluez is blocked on buggy boottest
[21:19] <happyaron> Laney: it's hot in the afternoon, but a bit cold at night
[21:21] <seb128> happyaron, hey, saw my ping about https://code.launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/ubuntu/wily/libx11/pt_PT-compose/+merge/258526 ?
[21:22] <happyaron> seb128: commented just now :)
[21:23] <seb128> happyaron, thanks ;-)