[04:26] <zabear> Hi Gremble
[04:30] <zabear> you're up early
[04:41] <gremble> Hey zabear 
[04:41] <zabear> how do I share a message with another irc user without sending it to all the other users?
[04:41] <gremble> I usually am, but I am not going in to class early
[04:42] <gremble> you can say /msg <username> or /query <username>
[04:42] <zabear> Im still learning irec
[04:42] <zabear> Ok
[04:43] <zabear> I will try it - 
[04:46] <zabear> I have so much to learn
[04:46] <gremble> :P We all do
[04:48] <gremble> I'm watching Frank Miller and Robert Rodriquezes Sin City. haha It is so good
[04:48] <gremble> xD
[04:48] <zabear> I see that responses to myself is in red - is that indication of personal chat or is that what allways happen
[04:48] <zabear> ?
[04:49] <gremble> It is a "mention"
[04:49] <gremble> SO you can see when someone says your name
[04:49] <zabear> Ok
[04:50] <zabear> so if I say 
[04:50] <zabear> "gremgle', then it will be in red on your side?
[04:51] <gremble> No, :P It should be gremble
[04:51] <gremble> :P
[04:51] <zabear> sorry - spelling id wrong - 
[04:52] <zabear> gremble - now it will be red on your side?
[04:52] <gremble> Yes
[04:52] <zabear> thanks - im off now - bye
[04:52] <gremble> Cheers
[05:52] <Symmetria> :P
[05:52] <Symmetria> greetings 
[05:52] <Symmetria> lol, so while my wife is sleeping and I get half a chance to get on irc :P
[05:53] <Symmetria> I'm looking to hire a good sysadmin, with experience, and with some scripting/programming knowledge, preferably php/bash 
[05:54] <Symmetria> based in joburg preferably 
[05:54] <Symmetria> so if someone is interested email cv's to andrew.alston@liquidtelecom.com and will respond when I'm back in KE 
[05:55] <Symmetria> ;p
[05:55] <gremble> Symmetria: Send it on the mailing list as well
[05:55] <gremble> And good morning :P
[05:56] <Symmetria> lol good morning :P
[05:56] <Symmetria> btw sys admin job = maintaining and looking after and sometimes deploying systems across every country we operate in, and its with Liquid so its a massive global company 
[05:57] <Symmetria> (we operate in za/bw/zw/zm/mz/tz/ug/rw/ke/uk/ae/mu)
[05:58] <gremble> Sounds like a good gig :P
[05:59] <Symmetria> heh its a good company to work for :) and they'd be reporting to the head of network ops (with probably a soft reporting line to me as group head of IP strategy)
[06:00] <Symmetria> knowing a lot about DNS = advantage but not critical, that can be taught ;p
[06:00] <Symmetria> knowing ubuntu = critical ;p
[06:03] <gremble> :P Should definitely shoot a mail to the mailinglist with all this info in when you have an opportunity
[06:08] <barrydk> More almal
[06:08] <gremble> Hey barrydk 
[06:18] <superfly> Symmetria: congratulations, btw
[06:18] <superfly> morning barrydk, gremble
[06:18] <superfly> gremble: so when you coming to work here?
[06:19] <superfly> morning kenju254
[06:19] <superfly> gah
[06:19] <superfly> morning Kilos
[06:19] <Kilos> morning superfly and sall others
[06:19] <Kilos> all as well
[06:21] <Kilos> i see telegram has a desktop client as well
[06:22] <Kilos> kept crashing pidgin so i looked for another way
[06:29] <Symmetria> https://scontent-hkg3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/t31.0-8/11890626_10153612367375528_931442672747449531_o.jpg <[06:30] <Symmetria> https://scontent-hkg3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/t31.0-8/11879088_10153611070625528_324534198634180132_o.jpg <[06:49] <gremble> Hey superfly. I would totally be all up in that biz if I didn't have a degree to finish :P Perhaps you should send me part-time projects 
[06:49] <gremble> Hey Kilos 
[06:49] <Kilos> hi gremble Symmetria 
[06:50] <gremble> Symmetria: A macaque?
[06:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> mornings
[06:52] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[06:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> Symmetria: few years too late with that job, not willing to uproot my family :-/
[06:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> so sorry for your loss
[06:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> :P
[06:54] <gremble> Good morning ThatGraemeGuy 
[06:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> g'day :)
[07:00] <Symmetria> ThatGraemeGuy, heh where are you based
[07:00] <Symmetria> gremble yeah that :p
[07:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> cape town
[07:00] <Symmetria> gremble but heh, specific type, only monkey thats known to be a swimmer 
[07:01] <Symmetria> heh they swim around the islands and eat squid and crab and stuff 
[07:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> sounds like a pretty good life
[07:01] <Symmetria> heh, they are fast as hell on land as well when they chasing crabs, fun to watch
[07:02] <gremble> ThatGraemeGuy: Are you willing to uproot your family to go swimming around islands and eat squid and crab and stuff? :P
[07:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> I might just leave them to go and do that
[07:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> :p
[07:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://mybroadband.co.za/news/smartphones/134958-ubuntu-phones-now-available-in-south-africa.html
[07:35] <inetpro> good mornings
[07:36] <Kilos> hi inetpro 
[07:57] <mazal> This be good news: http://fullcirclemagazine.org/2015/08/13/ubuntu-want-to-make-it-easier-for-you-to-install-the-latest-nvidia-linux-driver/
[08:05] <Kilos> lol
[08:13] <inetpro> Kilos: why lol?
[08:15] <gremble> Nobody knows. Anyway, cheers guys. I'll probably mosey on by later tonight. Have a good day and don't work too hard, it is little sunday
[08:18] <Kilos> because it was a hassle till the brought out the um
[08:18] <Kilos> additionl drivers thing
[08:18] <Kilos> but then nvidia-murrent was even easuier
[08:19] <Kilos> current
[08:19] <Kilos> wow typos
[08:35] <mazal> I for one will be glad when better and easier ways are implemented of installing graphics drivers. It is still one of the biggest problems plaguing Ubuntu
[08:36] <Kilos> yeah
[10:32] <Kilos> hmm...
[10:49] <mazal> aahhhh...
[10:57] <ThatGraemeGuy> oohhhh...
[11:02] <Cryterion> sshhhh...
[11:35] <superfly> mmooo...
[11:37] <Cryterion> hmmm, Russia just declared Windows 10 illegal to distribute within Russia due it's eula policy
[11:38] <mazal> lol , go Russia !!!!!!
[11:39] <mazal> link ?
[11:41] <Cryterion> http://www.rt.com/politics/312172-windows-10-service-agreement-stirs/
[11:41] <mazal> ta
[11:56] <mazal> The graphics driver ppa seems to be up already http://www.webupd8.org/2015/08/new-official-proprietary-gpu-drivers.html
[11:57] <mazal> I hope ATI gets added soon
[12:10] <GnikLlort> >Windows
[12:11] <MaNI> I hope the next ATI driver gives me less headaches than the last one
[13:21] <nlsthzn> hello all you people
[13:23] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn 
[13:23] <Kilos> how you lad
[13:23] <Kilos> ?
[13:23] <nlsthzn> hey uncle Kilos ... well and you?
[13:24] <Kilos> good ty man, hows the family?
[13:25] <nlsthzn> well thanks, little bear is half a year old and off course this means two injections into his tiny legs :'( but I am sure he will survive :p
[13:25] <Kilos> for what?
[13:26] <nlsthzn> vaccination...
[13:26] <Kilos> oh in legs now
[13:27] <nlsthzn> everyone has somewhere else it seems
[13:27] <Kilos> mine left upper arm
[13:27] <nlsthzn> or I mean every type has somewhere else
[13:27] <Kilos> oh
[13:28] <Kilos> well in my days there wasnt ebola, aids or mad cow disease
[13:28] <Kilos> hehe
[13:29] <nlsthzn> black plague and flu that killed half the worlds population only?
[13:29] <nlsthzn> ;)
[13:30] <Kilos> hahaha
[13:30] <nlsthzn> oh I got an Ubuntu Phone too \o/
[13:30] <Kilos> wow cool
[13:31] <nlsthzn> can't really use it yet cause it still has some massive wholes... but getting updates often so I am *hoping* to make the switch soon
[13:31] <nlsthzn> *holes
[13:31] <Kilos> ai!
[13:32] <Kilos> i go fetch sheep
[13:32] <nlsthzn> can't get any of my passwords to log into all the different applications etc... they are super complicated and there is no app for Ubu Phone that I need to use my password manager and copy/paste not really working yet :/
[13:32] <nlsthzn> ok, see later :)_
[13:39] <superfly> nlsthzn: have you read the package inserts of the vaccinations?
[13:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> "May cause autism"
[13:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> ?
[13:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> lol
[14:10] <nlsthzn> no, why superfly ?
[14:12] <Kilos> been some disturbing news about innoclulations from the states nlsthzn 
[14:13] <superfly> nlsthzn: You don't know what's in it, or what side effects it has. We had to stop vaccinations on my #1 after he developed some serious (aka potentially lethal) "side effects"
[14:14] <nlsthzn> this is the problem with most medicines and how it effects everyone differently.  
[14:14] <superfly> ThatGraemeGuy: The states as already paid out $3 billion due to injuries from vcaccination. "May cause a number of nasty things" is more like it
[14:15] <superfly> nlsthzn: My biggest issue is that the doctor never told us this. In fact, he lied to us and said, "they're perfectly safe!"
[14:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> uuhhhh
[14:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> nvm
[14:16] <nlsthzn> as for the states and this half of it is fearmongering and trying to make money by suing.  thanks to the US some diseases believed to be on the bring of eradication is now starting to flourish. >.<
[14:16] <superfly> I'm not saying don't vacinate, I'm saying, "do your research"
[14:16] <superfly> nlsthzn: negative. that money is not from the courts
[14:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> these things are starting to flourish thanks to the rabid anti-vax movement
[14:17] <nlsthzn> ThatGraemeGuy, +1
[14:17] <superfly> ThatGraemeGuy: nope, that's a lie
[14:17] <superfly> do your research
[14:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> ffs i knew i should just stfu
[14:17] <Kilos> lol
[14:18] <Kilos> nlsthzn  https://m115.infusionsoft.com/app/hostedEmail/106053823/6d33f3fc7b894feb
[14:18] <nlsthzn> superfly, if there was one that was 100% without possible side effects than that would be the one everyone uses... don't think there is any medicine that can guarantee anything 100% safe
[14:18] <superfly> ThatGraemeGuy: The most recent measles outbreak in the USA was in an entirely vaccinated population.
[14:18] <Kilos> ill try find one about vaccinations
[14:18] <nlsthzn> hell, even water can kill you
[14:18] <nlsthzn> rage quite?
[14:18] <nlsthzn> *quit
[14:18] <Kilos> hehe
[14:19] <Kilos> he gets cross quick , shame
[14:19] <superfly> If you can't take the heat...
[14:19] <nlsthzn> there was heat? :p
[14:19] <nlsthzn> nlsthzn, not sure what to do with the link you sent uncle Kilos 
[14:19] <Kilos> read it
[14:20] <superfly> nlsthzn: and I agree with you. nothing is 100% safe. The problem is when the industry tries to make as if it is.
[14:20] <Kilos> there are tons of others somewhere about vaccinations 
[14:20] <nlsthzn> which part?!
[14:21] <superfly> nlsthzn: we actually have the paed's support in not vaccinating #1 - some doctors thankfully don't continue to blurt rhetoric
[14:23] <MaNI> as with everything its a game of statistics - as long as more people are helped by inoculations than harmed its unethical for people to refuse to have them without good cause - there are of course people with legitimate cause to not have them but these are the minority the majority likely fall into the same camp that claim they are getting cellphone tower headaches before the towers are even activated.
[14:23] <nlsthzn> well, if it is for his/hers best then it makes sense
[14:24]  * nlsthzn has to help with little bear... will be back later perhaps :p
[14:24] <superfly> MaNI: the problem is that vaccinations have never been proven to help
[14:24] <MaNI> err, sorry I'm going to have to completely disagree with you there
[14:24] <Kilos> nlsthzn  http://www.naturalnews.com/050582_nagalase_GcMAF_cancer_industry_profits.html
[14:24] <MaNI> we have completely erradicated several diseases with them, now can you even begin to claim that
[14:24] <superfly> MaNI: go look at the studies. there are no blind double tests
[14:25] <Kilos> subscribe to that natural news
[14:25] <MaNI> good grief
[14:25] <superfly> (or is it double-blind, I never get it right)
[14:25] <superfly> MaNI: nope, we have not. smallpox is still rampant in parts of africa
[14:26] <Kilos> http://www.naturalnews.com/050473_Dr_Jack_Wolfson_medical_witch_hunt_vaccine_risks.html
[14:28] <MaNI> sorry, but claiming that vaccines have not historically brought a huge health benefit is batshit insane revisionist crap
[14:28] <MaNI> I'm not going to engage further, good luck :)
[14:29] <nlsthzn> be careful what you read on the internet...
[14:29]  * nlsthzn goes now 
[14:44] <superfly> MaNI: as you wish. I can provide evidence, though. 
[17:39] <Kilos> hmm...
[18:26] <Langjan> Hi there Kilos 
[18:27] <Kilos> hi Langjan 
[18:27] <Langjan> Are you ok?
[18:28] <Kilos> yessir ty and you?
[18:28] <Langjan> Aslo fine thks Kilos 
[18:28] <Langjan> Do you have a minute?
[18:29] <Kilos> yessir
[18:30] <Kilos> what can i help you with
[18:30] <Langjan> Thks, trying to install Ubuntu to dual boot with Win 7, when Ubuntu boots it does not detect the existing OS, where do I go from here? 
[18:30] <Langjan> Booting from DVD
[18:30] <Kilos> its does not see it
[18:30] <Langjan> Correct
[18:31] <Kilos> go through the install motions and when you go install it should show windows there
[18:31] <Kilos> when it shows partitions
[18:32] <Langjan> I'm scared to wipe it, it does not show partitions, only one disc
[18:33] <Kilos> oh my
[18:33] <Langjan> I always seem to manage to get an "oh my" - problem child ...
[18:33] <Kilos> lol
[18:33] <Kilos> what machine
[18:34] <Kilos> laptop
[18:34] <Kilos> i have ians here that was same
[18:34] <Kilos> wouldnt allow anything else in
[18:34] <Langjan> Its an Asus X55A laptop 
[18:35] <Kilos> i had to do something in bios
[18:35] <Langjan> It came with latest Win, but she did not come right so they downgraded to 7  
[18:36] <Langjan> Vista, I think
[18:36] <Kilos> look here
[18:36] <Kilos> http://askubuntu.com/questions/366003/why-does-ubuntu-13-10-not-detect-my-win7-partition
[18:36] <Kilos> if that dont help we look further
[18:37] <Kilos> ian said this lappy cant take ubuntu but im running kde and unity in their own partitions
[18:37] <Kilos> oh
[18:38] <Kilos> run gparted and see what it sees
[18:38] <inetpro> good evening
[18:38] <Kilos> hi inetpro 
[18:41] <Langjan> Its a 32 bit system and I'm running 32 bit Ubuntu but that site gets a bit complicated for old ballies
[18:41] <Langjan> Let me try gparted
[18:41] <Kilos> if gparted sees it then we must win
[18:43] <Kilos> i think i even somewhere alog the line used a win7 dvd to make win in the first partion and another partition with nothing in , then i installed ubuntu on that partition
[18:44] <Kilos> tell me what gparted sees
[18:44] <Langjan> It warns that /dev/sda contains GPT signatures, asks if this is a GPT partition table, I have no idea
[18:45] <Kilos> try tick no and see what happens
[18:45] <Langjan> Says perhaos it was corrupted or does not understand GPT part tables
[18:45] <Kilos> this new gpt thing is a pain i know min about
[18:45] <Langjan> Is it safe to sayy no?
[18:46] <Kilos> if you tick on the partition does it highlight
[18:46] <Kilos> its safe as long as you dont then actually apply things
[18:46] <Kilos> maybe yes is good too
[18:46] <Kilos> just see what it says
[18:46] <Langjan> It wants a yes or no first
[18:47] <Kilos> you can always tick back i think
[18:47] <Kilos> ok tick yes
[18:48] <Langjan> I ticked no, it gives unallocated 298 gib
[18:48] <Kilos> ok
[18:48] <Kilos> tick the unalloocated
[18:48] <Kilos> then in partition at the top choose new
[18:49] <Langjan> I think the unalllocated is the whole disc
[18:49] <Kilos> oh ok then go back
[18:49] <Kilos> and tick yes
[18:49] <Kilos> and tell
[18:49] <Langjan> how doo I go back?
[18:50] <Kilos> carefully
[18:50] <Kilos> hee hee
[18:50] <Kilos> close gparted
[18:50] <Langjan> lmga
[18:50] <Langjan> but makes me nervous
[18:50] <Kilos> then open gparted again
[18:51] <Kilos> i wish at times the clever peeps would jump in
[18:51] <Langjan> then try yes
[18:51] <Kilos> yes
[18:51] <Kilos> and wqe see then
[18:51] <Kilos> we
[18:51] <Langjan> same result, lmga
[18:52] <Kilos> is that an important win7
[18:52] <Kilos> lots of data?
[18:52] <Kilos> oh wait
[18:52] <Kilos> we have another option
[18:52] <Langjan> yes, I dont want her to lose it before she is au faiyt with Ubuntu, she is 88 
[18:52] <Kilos> close gparted
[18:53] <Kilos> oh shame
[18:53] <Kilos> close gparted the in dash type in disk
[18:53] <Kilos> should show the disk utility
[18:54] <Langjan> analyzer?
[18:54] <inetpro> wow! Will be awesome to show how a 88 year old lady can learn a new OS like Ubuntu
[18:54] <Langjan> yip
[18:54] <Kilos> yeah inetpro 
[18:54] <Kilos> is the name analyser now
[18:54] <inetpro> Langjan: you have not installed Ubuntu yet, have you?
[18:55] <Kilos> tick that and see what opens
[18:55] <Kilos> yes inetpro often
[18:55] <inetpro> Kilos: I mean on that laptop
[18:55] <Kilos> he is converting an old age home to ubuntu
[18:55] <Kilos> oh no sorry
[18:55] <Langjan> No, only running on DVD
[18:55] <Kilos> this a new lady
[18:56] <Langjan> Yes, a new oldie
[18:56] <inetpro> ok
[18:56] <Kilos> what does the analyser thing show
[18:56] <Langjan> analyzer shows 320 gb volume only and Ubuntu on the side
[18:57] <inetpro> showing the whole disc as unalllocated sounds fishy
[18:57] <Kilos> tick on the drive and it should give info on the right
[18:57] <Kilos> yes inetpro very fishy
[18:58] <inetpro> what version of Ubuntu?
[18:58] <Langjan> loading...
[18:58] <Langjan> 14.04 32 bit
[19:02] <Langjan> It shows peculiar graphics on the right and some figures on the left
[19:02] <inetpro> hmm... 
[19:03] <Kilos> 64 bit win7
[19:03] <Langjan> 32 bit, I think
[19:03] <Kilos> do you have a win7 dvd?
[19:04] <Langjan> No, I know, I saw its a 32 bit system somewhere
[19:04] <Kilos> sigh
[19:04] <Langjan> no
[19:04] <Kilos> can you get one
[19:04] <inetpro> well I see on the page above the screenshot also shows as unallocated
[19:04] <Kilos> then use 7 to partition the drive
[19:05] <inetpro> so could be normal
[19:05] <Langjan> No Kilos  dont have access to wn 7 cd
[19:05] <Kilos> eish
[19:05] <inetpro> what you need is a proper article about How To Shrink & Extend Volumes Or Partitions in Windows 7
[19:06] <Kilos> parted magic cd maybe
[19:06] <inetpro> like http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/shrink-extend-volumes-partitions-windows-7/
[19:06] <Langjan> Ok so let me boot on Win 7 again and try that site, thks a lot 
[19:06] <inetpro> In Windows 7 and Windows Vista, resizing your volumes or re-partitioning your hard drive has become a lot easier than in previous Windows versions
[19:07] <Kilos> ah
[19:07] <inetpro> make sure you understand the pitfalls part
[19:07] <Langjan> Figures show win 7 at 5%, system volume 73% etc 
[19:08] <Langjan> Well I will have to be careful, will get back here if not sure
[19:08] <Kilos> ok
[19:08] <Kilos> ty inetpro 
[19:09] <Kilos> i wish i could convert Langjan to kde
[19:09] <Kilos> Langjan  make a backup of 7 first
[19:10] <inetpro> Langjan: after shrinking the partition make sure you can still boot up with windows before you start the ubuntu installation
[19:10] <Langjan> I have backed up all the files and mails, addresses 
[19:11] <Langjan> inetpro,  if I can't is there away out? 
[19:11] <inetpro> oh and most important, make a backup of important files before you do anything
[19:11] <Kilos> good rahter safe than sorry
[19:11] <inetpro> ok, seems that part is covered
[19:12] <inetpro> well if you have a backup, you can always re-install again
[19:12] <inetpro> hopefully with a legal copy et all
[19:12] <inetpro> :-)
[19:12] <Kilos> lol
[19:13] <Kilos> he doesnt have one but dont lappys store an image somewhere
[19:13] <inetpro> otherwise just install Ubuntu and let her swim
[19:13] <Kilos> ai!
[19:13] <inetpro> oops, she can't swim?
[19:13] <Langjan> It had win vista then was downgraded to 7 by the dealer so its legit
[19:15] <inetpro> if it was Vista the it was an upgrade to win 7
[19:15] <inetpro> win 7 came after vista
[19:16] <inetpro> maybe it was the unpopular win 8?
[19:16] <Langjan> ok whatever came after 7 is what she had, yes thats righ, it was 8
[19:17] <Kilos> i had a lappy here with 8 i couldnt do anything with till i installed a start button
[19:17] <Kilos> then i was like 7 and still working
[19:18] <inetpro> Windows 8 and Windows 8.1 has been subject to some criticism, such as removal of Start Menu
[19:18] <Kilos> yeah was horrible
[19:23] <Langjan> Guys, theres no example of what I have, ek is bang. It gives me a 298gb ntfs and 100Mb ntfs system reserved 
[19:24] <Langjan> 298 is primary partition
[19:24] <Kilos> yes
[19:24] <Kilos> is there a resize option
[19:24] <Langjan> yes oubaas!
[19:24] <Kilos> lol
[19:25] <Kilos> or an option to create abnother partition
[19:26] <Langjan> If I right-click it gives shrink, mark as active, change drive letter paths options
[19:26] <Kilos> shrink
[19:26] <Kilos> to 98
[19:26] <Kilos> if possible
[19:27] <inetpro> Kilos: 98?
[19:27] <Langjan> Windows is using about 200 GB
[19:27] <Kilos> 98gig
[19:27] <Kilos> oh wow
[19:27] <Langjan> Its checking for available shrink space
[19:27] <Kilos> what has the tannie got in there
[19:28] <Langjan> I ave tried to find out myself, a lot of nothing much all added together...
[19:29] <inetpro> Langjan: https://windirstat.info/
[19:29] <Langjan> nil, looks like ill have to defrag
[19:29] <Kilos> eisdh
[19:29] <inetpro> get that ^^ and find out what is using all that space
[19:29] <Kilos> eish as well 
[19:31] <inetpro> or install k4dirstat while running from the Ubuntu DVD and run it after mounting the windows partition
[19:34] <Langjan> Will it help to mark the partition where win 7 is as active?
[19:36] <inetpro> mark the partition?
[19:37] <Langjan> If I right-click on the partition, it gives "mark the partition as active" as an option, then it says that it should only be marked as active if it contains an active OS
[19:37] <Langjan> a functioning OS
[19:38] <Langjan> and a warning, if it does not, the computer may stop working
[19:38] <inetpro> leave it as it is
[19:38] <Kilos> 7 is a functioning OS
[19:39] <Langjan> which seems to indicate its safe to mark it as active 
[19:40] <Kilos> i think so yes
[19:40] <Kilos> hear what pro says
[19:40] <Langjan> inetpro, does not agree?
[19:40] <Kilos> oh
[19:41] <inetpro> well I can't see what screen you're on and where exactly you're changing stuff
[19:42] <Langjan> Point taken
[19:43] <Kilos> i think thats why ubuntu doesnt see it because it isnt marked as active
[19:43] <Langjan> thats what I think, also why it wont shrink
[19:43] <Kilos> there is something in bios for that too i think
[19:43] <inetpro> uh... google is your friend
[19:44] <Kilos> dunno how 7 works on a partitiong without it showing as active
[19:44] <Langjan> shall I go there first? and google around a bit and sleep over it, no hurry
[19:44] <Cryterion> duckduckgo.com is the open source version of google btw inetpro
[19:44] <inetpro> I would make sure to do the research
[19:44] <Cryterion> Hi everyone
[19:44]  * inetpro knows nothing about windows
[19:45] <Kilos> well you have backups
[19:45] <Kilos> so mark it as active then boot from ubuntu and see
[19:46] <Kilos> once seen it should offer to run alongside
[19:46] <Cryterion> doesn't the ubuntu installation allow you to shrink the win partition while doing a dual boot installation?
[19:47] <Kilos> if it can see iut yes
[19:47] <Kilos> this one doesnt see 7 there at all
[19:47] <Cryterion> hmm
[19:47] <Kilos> all shows as unallocated
[19:56] <Langjan> If the downgrade from win 8 to 7 destroyed the boot loader then it will not boot if I mark it as active 
[19:56] <Langjan> soo how do I check if the boot loader is OK?
[19:57] <Langjan> It says on the partition:healthy (boot, page file, crash dump, primary partition  
[20:01] <inetpro> if the boot loader was destroyed back then you would probably have known it by now
[20:01] <inetpro> you would not have been able to boot
[20:01] <inetpro> unless it got messed up now, which is unlikely
[20:02] <Langjan> agreed  
[20:03] <inetpro> oh hang on
[20:03] <Langjan> so perhaps I should mark as active, if it freezes I will have to take it to the dealer to have it reactivated 
[20:04] <inetpro> maybe the boot loader is on the 100MB partition
[20:04] <inetpro> there can be only one active partition per physical hard disk
[20:04] <inetpro> do not mark a partition as active if it doesn't contain the loader for an operating system
[20:04] <Langjan> That one is also inactive  
[20:05] <inetpro> doing so will make your computer unbootable
[20:05] <Langjan> Sorry, it seems to be the active one
[20:06] <inetpro> aha
[20:21] <Kilos> i must sleep guys. good luck oom Langjan , ill be here tomorrow again
[20:21] <Kilos> night all, sleep tight
[20:21] <Langjan> Me too, thaks guys, will have another bash next time round. 
[20:22] <Kilos> try download a win7 iso and use that to partition the drive
[20:22] <Kilos> maybe clean out junk files too
[20:23] <Langjan> I have deleted restore files, now its only using about 40gb
[20:23] <Kilos> and get ccleaner for 7 to clean up registry and bad links and stuff
[20:23] <Langjan> 50gb
[20:23] <Kilos> thats good
[20:23] <Langjan> making progress
[20:23] <Kilos> maybe try bootiing from ubuntu again and see if it sees it
[20:23] <Langjan> now 245 gb free 
[20:24] <Kilos> thats great
[20:24] <Langjan> yip will do, willlet you know after your beauty sleep
[20:24] <Kilos> ty sir
[20:24] <Kilos> lekker slaap almal
[20:24] <Langjan> night night
[20:24] <Kilos> inetpro  dnkie
[20:24] <Langjan> ja baie dankie sover inetpro