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pieter2627 | morning all | 05:53 |
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barrydk | More almal | 06:12 |
Kilos | hi barrydk mazal inetpro MaNI octoquad and lurkers | 06:13 |
MaNI | morning | 06:13 |
mazal | Mornings | 06:14 |
Kilos | at least we gonna hit 27°c today | 06:14 |
mazal | The days are getting nice now | 06:14 |
mazal | Just the evenings thats a bit cool | 06:14 |
Kilos | whew i still get cold at night and mornings | 06:15 |
Kilos | hi thatgraemeguy | 06:26 |
thatgraemeguy | lo | 06:26 |
Kilos | i see you cloaked too now | 06:26 |
Kilos | good | 06:26 |
thatgraemeguy | uuhhh | 06:27 |
thatgraemeguy | i got a cloak months ago | 06:27 |
Kilos | oh my i been asleep | 06:27 |
thatgraemeguy | fwiw, which isn't a whole lot | 06:27 |
inetpro | good mornings | 07:59 |
thatgraemeguy | morning ainetpro | 08:09 |
Kilos | helloooo inetpro | 08:09 |
Kilos | haha | 08:09 |
inetpro | ai! | 08:14 |
thatgraemeguy | there it is ;) | 08:14 |
inetpro | thatgraemeguy: how you doing? :-) | 08:14 |
thatgraemeguy | it's friday and my colleague supplied me with an adequate supply of chilli biltong a little while ago..... I'm good thanks :-D | 08:16 |
thatgraemeguy | you? | 08:16 |
gremble | Good day | 09:07 |
Langjan | Kilos, I've broken it! | 09:15 |
Kilos | what | 09:15 |
Kilos | fixed or broken Langjan ? | 09:16 |
Langjan | Die ou tannie sa laptop | 09:16 |
Kilos | stukkend? | 09:16 |
Langjan | Well, I messed around in bios, eventually tried reset to defaults, now it only opens bios | 09:17 |
Kilos | oh my | 09:17 |
Langjan | Tried some googling, no luck so far | 09:17 |
Kilos | lets think a bit | 09:18 |
Kilos | there must be a recovery | 09:18 |
Langjan | Ek dink al heelnag maar my kop is te plat | 09:18 |
Kilos | daar sal n uitkoms wees | 09:20 |
Kilos | you got uncapped internet Langjan | 09:21 |
Langjan | No but after the cap its only R5 per GB | 09:22 |
Kilos | try download win 7 somewhere and boot from it | 09:23 |
Kilos | but | 09:23 |
Kilos | lets think first | 09:23 |
Kilos | lets try | 09:23 |
Kilos | boot from ubuntu | 09:24 |
Kilos | then run sudo fsck /dev/sda1 | 09:24 |
Kilos | maybe needs to be sudo fsck -f /dev/sda1 | 09:24 |
Langjan | It wont boot from cd | 09:28 |
Kilos | ok then you need to look in bios again | 09:29 |
Langjan | Whats boot override? It takes me to a black screen with somethin, maybe it will boot from there? | 09:30 |
Kilos | you dont see bios | 09:31 |
Langjan | Yes I do | 09:31 |
Kilos | tap f1 and delete button from power on | 09:31 |
Kilos | ok | 09:31 |
Kilos | so in bios | 09:32 |
Kilos | look for boot options | 09:32 |
Langjan | Its the only thing I can get into | 09:32 |
Langjan | It gives only boot option 1: network card | 09:33 |
Kilos | oh my | 09:33 |
Langjan | UEFI: netwokr card | 09:33 |
Kilos | something in bios wrong then | 09:34 |
Langjan | currently disabled | 09:34 |
Langjan | It has fast boot and then launch csm, disabled | 09:35 |
Langjan | then boot option 1 uefi network card | 09:35 |
Langjan | then launch csm | 09:36 |
Kilos | somewhere win put something it bios | 09:36 |
Kilos | there must be a way to force bios | 09:38 |
Langjan | I have good hammers! | 09:39 |
Kilos | nono | 09:39 |
Kilos | we fix it | 09:39 |
Kilos | cant you get to bios default settings even | 09:39 |
Langjan | thks you make my day | 09:39 |
Langjan | Well thats where the trouble started, by restoring defaults | 09:40 |
Langjan | but yes, I can | 09:40 |
Kilos | do it asgain then dont try reboot | 09:40 |
Kilos | we go through it all step by step | 09:41 |
thatgraemeguy | Langjan: enabling fastboot on my laptop disables booting anything other than internal HDD, try disabling fastboot if its disabled in bios | 09:41 |
Langjan | It says start pxe over ipv4 | 09:41 |
Langjan | I will have to wait a while for bios to come back | 09:43 |
Kilos | ty thatgraemeguy | 09:43 |
Langjan | then will try thatgraemeguy 's instruction | 09:44 |
Langjan | ok its back | 09:44 |
Kilos | i need more lappy experience | 09:45 |
Langjan | thatgraemeguy, disable fast boot, the try reboot? | 09:45 |
thatgraemeguy | yes and then see if you have more boot options | 09:45 |
Langjan | launch csm is also disabled | 09:45 |
thatgraemeguy | is it a newish pc with that fancy uefi stuff? | 09:46 |
Langjan | its not too old, don't know about uefi? | 09:46 |
thatgraemeguy | mmm ok | 09:47 |
Langjan | no change after disabling fastbooot | 09:47 |
thatgraemeguy | what make and model? | 09:47 |
Langjan | Asus X55A | 09:48 |
thatgraemeguy | ok let me reverse a bit, what are you trying? | 09:50 |
Langjan | We started trying to install ubuntu dual boot, windows partition did not show so we were trying to get somewhere where we could see the win 7 installation. I eventually landed in the bios where I tried to restore defaults, since then it only opens in bios | 09:52 |
thatgraemeguy | so you have an existing windows 7 install that you want to keep? | 09:53 |
Langjan | thats right | 09:53 |
thatgraemeguy | and does it still boot or is it broken? | 09:53 |
Langjan | The machine came with win 8 but was downgraded to 7 | 09:53 |
Langjan | it does not boot, it opens in bios all the time | 09:54 |
thatgraemeguy | oh dear :-/ | 09:54 |
Kilos | Langjan go through bios settings one by one and say what you see | 09:54 |
thatgraemeguy | so if you turn it on it goes straight into the config for the bios? doesn't even try to boot and throw an error or anything like that? | 09:55 |
Langjan | nothing, staight into bios | 09:55 |
thatgraemeguy | did you make a note of changes you made in bios? | 09:56 |
Langjan | I did not find anything that seemed could help to change, so I tried restore defaults | 09:58 |
thatgraemeguy | urgh | 09:58 |
thatgraemeguy | who did the windows 7 installation? | 09:58 |
Langjan | The guys who sold the machine, local com shop | 09:59 |
thatgraemeguy | ouch | 09:59 |
thatgraemeguy | ok so either its now configured in uefi mode and windows is installed in bios mode, or vice versa | 10:00 |
Kilos | is it award bios | 10:00 |
thatgraemeguy | does your bios have a "CSM" setting and "Secure Boot" and if so what are their current values | 10:00 |
Langjan | launch csm is disabled | 10:01 |
Langjan | I have enabled it, shows nothing more | 10:02 |
thatgraemeguy | enable it and reboot | 10:02 |
thatgraemeguy | CSM is what lets a UEFI machine boot a normal BIOS/MBR setup | 10:02 |
thatgraemeguy | so if windows is in BIOS mode that ought to get it booting at least | 10:02 |
Langjan | Ok, it has opened upp a launch pxe oprom disabled, leave that as is? | 10:04 |
thatgraemeguy | yes pxe is network booting you don't need that | 10:04 |
thatgraemeguy | I have the same laptop with the same issue. Have sent it to ASUS for diagnosis. The hard drive controller died. Need to replace the motherboard. It is 6 months out of warranty. Going to cost $400. | 10:06 |
thatgraemeguy | uh-oh | 10:06 |
thatgraemeguy | from http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2005969/asus-x55a-boots-bios.html | 10:06 |
Langjan | It goes back to bios and resets the csm to disabled | 10:06 |
thatgraemeguy | the first screen you see in bios setup is usually a system info summary screen, does yours have that too? | 10:06 |
thatgraemeguy | where it says what cpu, mem, etc | 10:07 |
Langjan | yes | 10:07 |
thatgraemeguy | does it say anything about the hard disk model/size | 10:07 |
Langjan | no, only memory, processor, serial no, access level | 10:09 |
Langjan | gop version and ec version | 10:09 |
thatgraemeguy | mmmm it sounds like you may have a dead HDD or disk controller :-/ | 10:09 |
thatgraemeguy | think you might need to contact asus tech support for assistance | 10:10 |
Langjan | could that have happened when I reset bios to defaults? | 10:10 |
thatgraemeguy | unlikely | 10:11 |
Langjan | Thats what I thought, OK let me try to get them | 10:11 |
thatgraemeguy | hardware death is seldom related to software changes | 10:11 |
superfly | Anyone here ever bought a Chromebook? | 10:12 |
Langjan | What puzzles me is that default setting gives no boot options | 10:12 |
Kilos | its something disabled somewhere | 10:20 |
Langjan | in default... | 10:21 |
Kilos | go through all the bios settings and tell here 1 by 1' | 10:21 |
Langjan | Ok just a sec, its in pxe again | 10:22 |
Langjan | OK advanced, internal pointing device enabled | 10:24 |
Langjan | wake on lid open enabled | 10:24 |
Langjan | power off energy saving enabled | 10:25 |
Langjan | asus usb charger battery mode disabled | 10:25 |
Langjan | intel virtualization technology disabled | 10:25 |
Langjan | sorry, enabled | 10:25 |
Kilos | does it charge via usb | 10:26 |
Kilos | not a power socket | 10:26 |
Langjan | no ower socket | 10:26 |
Langjan | power | 10:26 |
Kilos | if power socket then leave those settings as is | 10:26 |
Kilos | go next one | 10:27 |
Langjan | sata mode selection ahci | 10:27 |
Langjan | shows 2 serial ports, ata port 0 hard disc | 10:28 |
Langjan | serial ata port 2 atapi cd rom | 10:28 |
Langjan | graphics config 32M | 10:29 |
Langjan | usb config legacy usb support auto | 10:29 |
Langjan | xhca preboot mode auto | 10:30 |
Langjan | network stack disabled | 10:30 |
Langjan | booot config fast boot enabled | 10:30 |
Langjan | launch csm disabled | 10:31 |
Langjan | driver option priorities nothing shown | 10:31 |
Langjan | boot option riorities nothing shown | 10:31 |
Langjan | delete boot option nothing shown | 10:32 |
Langjan | security | 10:32 |
Langjan | no administrator passwords | 10:32 |
Langjan | I/O interface security lan network interface unlock | 10:33 |
Langjan | wireless network interface unlock | 10:33 |
Langjan | hd audio interface unlock | 10:34 |
Langjan | sata odd interface unlock | 10:34 |
Langjan | Dont know if unlock means it is locked or unlocked! | 10:34 |
Langjan | usb interface unlock | 10:35 |
Langjan | external ports unlock | 10:35 |
Langjan | blua tooth unlock | 10:35 |
Langjan | cmos camera unlock | 10:35 |
Langjan | card reader unlock | 10:35 |
Langjan | then nly save and exit page left | 10:36 |
Langjan | only | 10:36 |
Langjan | restore defaults ((where the trouble started) | 10:37 |
Kilos | maybe enable network stack. i dont know if it sees drives and dvd as part of a network | 10:37 |
Langjan | boot override | 10:37 |
Kilos | slow down some | 10:37 |
Langjan | I have tried t enable it, then it opens a black sreen with some wording and reverts to bios after a while | 10:38 |
Kilos | boot option priorities should show something | 10:38 |
Langjan | nothing | 10:38 |
Kilos | llok in security | 10:38 |
Kilos | look | 10:38 |
Langjan | only one left is launch efi shell from filesytem device, warning: not fund | 10:39 |
Kilos | whats in there | 10:39 |
Langjan | ok | 10:39 |
Langjan | adm password status not installed | 10:40 |
Kilos | there was something in bios i had to change on ians lenovo to be able to install ubuntu as well | 10:40 |
Langjan | user password status not installed | 10:40 |
Kilos | ok leave without password thing | 10:40 |
Kilos | lets look more | 10:40 |
Kilos | open boot option priorities | 10:41 |
Kilos | should show drive and dvd | 10:41 |
Langjan | nothing there to open | 10:41 |
Kilos | oh my | 10:41 |
Kilos | lemme look further | 10:42 |
Langjan | it only shows the drives in advanced | 10:43 |
Kilos | ah | 10:43 |
Kilos | go there | 10:43 |
Kilos | youll fing drive and dvd in wrong place i think | 10:44 |
Kilos | find | 10:44 |
Kilos | but normally drive c is at the top | 10:45 |
Kilos | read at bottom of page to see how to move them | 10:45 |
Kilos | some are up down arrow and others page up page down | 10:46 |
Langjan | They cannot move or be selected, only mode selection ahci or ide is live | 10:47 |
Kilos | what you see in there | 10:49 |
Kilos | c drive and dvd? | 10:49 |
Langjan | yes | 10:49 |
Kilos | if you tick on dvd does it light up | 10:50 |
Langjan | nope | 10:50 |
Kilos | hymm... | 10:50 |
Kilos | hmm... as well | 10:50 |
Kilos | read at the bottom | 10:50 |
Kilos | try tapping tab and see if anything happens | 10:51 |
Langjan | version 2.15.1226 copyright 2012 american megatrends | 10:51 |
Langjan | nothing | 10:51 |
Kilos | sigh | 10:52 |
Kilos | google the model and cant boot from c drive | 10:52 |
Kilos | or cant set boot priorities | 10:53 |
Langjan | nothing, this one's a bummer! | 11:05 |
Langjan | I keep on enabling fast boot and launch csm, but it keeps on resetting them to disabled | 11:14 |
Kilos | hmm... | 11:22 |
Kilos | there must be another setting in one of the advanced things | 11:22 |
Kilos | Langjan ? | 11:33 |
Kilos | no other advanced thing somewhere | 11:33 |
Langjan | Hi kilos, I folowed some google, removed the hard drive, restarted, checked ahci, replaced hard drivem, restrted, now i am getting something | 11:41 |
Kilos | yay | 11:41 |
Langjan | Im in a current vs new bios page | 11:42 |
Kilos | hmm... | 11:42 |
Kilos | maybe choose new | 11:42 |
Kilos | that current one was sick | 11:42 |
Langjan | choice is fs0 or fs1 | 11:43 |
Kilos | im asuming that stands for filesystem 0 and 1 | 11:43 |
Kilos | i have no idea what to choose | 11:44 |
Kilos | go with 0 lets see | 11:44 |
Langjan | let me google | 11:44 |
Kilos | ok | 11:44 |
Langjan | Check tis out and tell me if I am on the right track: http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?14024-BIOS-UPDATE!-how-to-do-it-Using-Easy-Flash | 11:48 |
Kilos | sec | 11:48 |
Kilos | flashing bios should only be done if its the only way to get pc going again | 11:50 |
Kilos | it can lead to bricked motherboard | 11:50 |
Kilos | if you do it then make sure you dont fiddle with anything while its doing its work | 11:51 |
Langjan | That site does not accept my email address as being valid - idiots | 11:56 |
Kilos | eish | 11:57 |
Kilos | anyway man | 11:57 |
Kilos | lets set a new bios page before you worry about flashing | 11:57 |
Langjan | ok what to do? | 12:00 |
Kilos | where are you now | 12:00 |
Langjan | fs0? | 12:00 |
Kilos | that fs0 or fs1 | 12:00 |
Langjan | yes | 12:00 |
Kilos | ya try fs0 | 12:00 |
Langjan | ok then I have to enter 0.<DIR> | 12:01 |
Kilos | oh my | 12:01 |
Kilos | where you find this funny bios | 12:02 |
Langjan | Thats the flash utility | 12:02 |
Kilos | oh my | 12:03 |
Kilos | are you going to flash it | 12:03 |
Langjan | Never heard of flash, its just the first thing that came up after restart, must I go out? | 12:04 |
Kilos | yes | 12:04 |
Kilos | out | 12:04 |
Langjan | how? | 12:04 |
Kilos | it wipes bios | 12:04 |
Kilos | reboot | 12:04 |
Langjan | Its a blue page | 12:04 |
Kilos | dont save anything | 12:04 |
Langjan | ok | 12:04 |
Kilos | you always must first download new bios before you fiddle with flash | 12:05 |
Langjan | ok so I bypass start easy flash | 12:05 |
Kilos | otherwise you gonna take months to get it fixed | 12:05 |
Kilos | yes | 12:05 |
Langjan | Interna pointing device | 12:05 |
Kilos | whew | 12:05 |
Langjan | enabled | 12:06 |
Langjan | internal pd enabled | 12:06 |
Langjan | where do I go now? | 12:06 |
Kilos | whats a pd | 12:06 |
Kilos | is there a story there | 12:07 |
Langjan | pointing device | 12:07 |
Kilos | ok | 12:07 |
Kilos | is that all you see | 12:07 |
Langjan | wake on lid open enabled | 12:07 |
Kilos | where is the rest of the bios | 12:07 |
Langjan | no, where do I need to go? | 12:07 |
Kilos | into bios | 12:08 |
Kilos | so we can see if it sees drive and dvd | 12:08 |
Langjan | Ok but where in bios,im in advanced | 12:08 |
Kilos | put ubuntu in as well | 12:08 |
Kilos | oh | 12:08 |
Kilos | close that one then | 12:08 |
Langjan | its the same except flash added | 12:09 |
Kilos | esc i think | 12:09 |
Kilos | still no drive or dvd? | 12:09 |
Langjan | no | 12:09 |
Kilos | oh my | 12:09 |
Kilos | see it there is an advanced in the first page | 12:10 |
Kilos | somehwere i/o is disabled | 12:10 |
Kilos | nothing passing i/o bus | 12:10 |
Langjan | Ok I need to go have some lunch, can we take this up a bit later? | 12:10 |
Kilos | yessir | 12:10 |
Langjan | thkas | 12:11 |
Kilos | yw | 12:11 |
gremble | Are you guys still busy with the computer? | 13:12 |
Langjan | Sorry Kilos lots of things happening here, but looks like we will not be able to edit that bios | 13:44 |
Langjan | Unless we can get the flash settings? | 13:44 |
Langjan | hi gremble , yes from bad to worse | 13:45 |
Kilos | oh my Langjan | 13:54 |
Kilos | hi gremble | 13:54 |
Kilos | ok Langjan then first go to that link and download the bios upgrade or whatever its called | 13:55 |
Kilos | then follow those instructions carefully | 13:55 |
Kilos | there are also the flashrom guys in linux, but they very technical | 13:56 |
Langjan | Like a dog chasing a bus, now I have it I don't know what to do with it... | 13:57 |
Kilos | so use the built in flash tool if possible | 13:57 |
Kilos | lol | 13:57 |
Kilos | or try pulling battery | 13:57 |
Kilos | and the small one inside somewhewre as well | 13:57 |
Langjan | Its a zip file, will the machine talk to usb via bios? | 13:58 |
Kilos | that sometimes gets past where the corrupt area is and starts off like new pc bios | 13:58 |
Langjan | Built -in flash tool? Where? I have been looking for a cmos battery, dont think this lappie has one... | 13:59 |
Kilos | the flashrom tool does its own thing | 13:59 |
Kilos | it must have one otherwise bios wouldnt remember | 13:59 |
Langjan | Where do I find it? | 13:59 |
Kilos | that flash thing you found and the link you gave | 14:02 |
Langjan | Kilos, it does not seem to pick up the file, it picks up some of the other files on my flashdrive...!? | 14:12 |
Kilos | oh my | 14:12 |
Kilos | try a stick with only the bios download on it | 14:13 |
Kilos | but if it sees the other files thats a good sign | 14:14 |
Kilos | im trying to remember when i did it with floppy | 14:14 |
Kilos | i think i downloaded a few bios flash files with new bios in before it eventuall say one | 14:15 |
Kilos | make sure you have the versions and everything correct | 14:16 |
Langjan | The websites are not at all clear about what is for which. Very frustrating. | 14:20 |
Kilos | yeah | 14:21 |
Kilos | Langjan also look for a bios upgrade for you version | 14:48 |
Langjan | Hi Kilos , I have mailed Asus technical support, lets see what we get. Will keep you posted. Many thanks for all your time. | 14:49 |
Kilos | ty | 14:50 |
inetpro | yikes! | 15:13 |
inetpro | you guys still... | 15:13 |
gremble | Project gutenburg apparently doesn't like scraping its website | 16:02 |
inetpro | gremble: scarping gutenburg website, why? | 18:39 |
inetpro | scraping* | 18:40 |
inetpro | you mean the Project Gutenberg site? | 18:41 |
gremble | I want the stories | 18:41 |
gremble | I want to make a bot that tweets the books :P | 18:41 |
inetpro | hmm... | 18:42 |
inetpro | The Project Gutenberg website is for human users only | 18:42 |
gremble | Yup, I've noticed that | 18:43 |
gremble | I'm going to manually pull down one or two and then worry about getting more at a later stage | 18:44 |
gremble | My main concern is to turn it into valid and useful tweets | 18:44 |
inetpro | 49,000 free ebooks is quite a lot of reading | 18:47 |
gremble | Ya, A full book will probably take more than a year to tweet | 18:47 |
gremble | So automated pulling is not really that big of a deal | 18:48 |
inetpro | not sure how an automated bot would add value and be practicable | 18:48 |
gremble | I'll show you in a few weeks hopefully | 18:48 |
gremble | :P | 18:48 |
inetpro | oh you want to tweet the content? | 18:49 |
gremble | Yes | 18:49 |
gremble | bite sized bits of HG Wells :D | 18:50 |
inetpro | interesting idea | 18:50 |
gremble | or 20 000 leagues under the sea | 18:50 |
gremble | I am still deciding which | 18:50 |
inetpro | and who is supposed to read all those tweets? | 18:50 |
gremble | People dumb enough to follow the bot | 18:51 |
gremble | :P | 18:51 |
inetpro | yikes! | 18:51 |
gremble | That is not my problem | 18:51 |
gremble | I am just here to produce content | 18:51 |
gremble | Other people have to consume it | 18:51 |
gremble | :D | 18:51 |
inetpro | sounds like an interesting but crazy challenge :-) | 18:52 |
gremble | The most interesting part I think will be analysing the content and creating tweets in such a way that they aren't over 140 characters, but also do not cut in the middle of words and ideas | 18:53 |
gremble | So probably a little bit of semantic analysis | 18:53 |
magespawn | good evening | 18:57 |
inetpro | hello magespawn | 19:01 |
inetpro | oh and wb SubOracle | 19:01 |
gremble | Hey magespawn | 19:02 |
inetpro | and oom Kilos is sleepin? | 19:09 |
magespawn | certainly doing something else | 19:09 |
gremble | Tired from flashing BIOS ROM the entire day | 19:09 |
gremble | :P | 19:09 |
magespawn | ja, that can be exhausting work | 19:13 |
inetpro | ai! | 19:13 |
Kilos | sjoe | 19:39 |
Kilos | skuus man | 19:39 |
Kilos | aw gremble | 19:40 |
Kilos | you coulda helped langjan | 19:40 |
Kilos | he has to do that too | 19:40 |
Kilos | you the right guy to have around | 19:40 |
gremble | Kilos, I'm bad at trying to diagnose issues from others' descriptions :/ | 19:40 |
Kilos | there is a package called flashrom | 19:40 |
gremble | I don't think the problem has to do with reflashing the bios | 19:41 |
Kilos | and an irc channel i think | 19:41 |
gremble | You only have to do that with firmware upgrades | 19:41 |
Kilos | they all far too clever for me | 19:41 |
Kilos | his is in bios i think | 19:42 |
Kilos | it dont see drives or dvdrom | 19:42 |
Kilos | bios got virus or just corrupt | 19:42 |
Kilos | only cure is bios upgrade or flashing | 19:42 |
Kilos | also wont allow him to enable things | 19:43 |
Kilos | anyway guys, bed time for me | 19:44 |
Kilos | night all, sleep tight | 19:44 |
Kilos | that includes inetpro | 19:44 |
gremble | Night Kilos | 19:44 |
Langjan | Hi gremble | 19:47 |
gremble | Hi and bye I guess haha | 19:53 |
magespawn | any capetonians in the house/ | 20:06 |
superfly | of course | 20:07 |
* superfly prod magespawn | 20:08 | |
magespawn | what is the average cost of living there superfly? | 20:08 |
superfly | magespawn: sjoe, that's a difficult question | 20:08 |
magespawn | hmm indeed | 20:08 |
superfly | magespawn: it depends on a lot of things... where you live for one | 20:08 |
superfly | how big your family | 20:08 |
magespawn | what would be a good salary? | 20:08 |
superfly | depends on what sector you're in | 20:09 |
superfly | and your experience | 20:09 |
magespawn | 2 kids 1 wife 3 dogs (jack russels) | 20:09 |
superfly | well, we manage to get by on my salary | 20:09 |
magespawn | IT Support/ Junior systems admin | 20:09 |
magespawn | only you work superfly? | 20:10 |
superfly | yes | 20:10 |
magespawn | salary for the jobs i am looking at are R18 000 to R28 000 per month | 20:10 |
superfly | but we are very careful about what money we spend, and even then it's actually a tight squeeze | 20:10 |
superfly | magespawn: will the mrs also be able to work? | 20:10 |
magespawn | yes when she comes down her range is R25 000 to R35 000 | 20:11 |
superfly | cool, then I think you guys will manage | 20:12 |
superfly | magespawn: do you have Telegram? | 20:12 |
magespawn | nope but i assume i can just download it | 20:12 |
superfly | Yep. | 20:12 |
* magespawn goes to look | 20:13 | |
superfly | magespawn: also, subscribe to to clug-work | 20:13 |
superfly | tdesktop.org | 20:13 |
magespawn | ty | 20:13 |
superfly | I'm also "superfly" on Telegram :-) | 20:13 |
magespawn | that makes it easy | 20:13 |
Cryterion | Telegram? | 20:15 |
Cryterion | hi guys | 20:15 |
magespawn | hi Cryterion | 20:16 |
superfly | Cryterion: it's a cross-platform messaging app. Android, iOS, Windows, Mac, Linux | 20:21 |
gremble | It's very nice. | 20:24 |
magespawn | got no space left on my phone though | 20:25 |
magespawn | i like cross platform, secure? | 20:25 |
superfly | yes | 20:26 |
magespawn | might just have to clear something off the phone | 20:26 |
superfly | magespawn: also on PC | 20:26 |
magespawn | so i see | 20:26 |
magespawn | good night all | 21:27 |
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