=== MaNL is now known as MaNI [05:53] morning all [06:12] More almal [06:13] hi barrydk mazal inetpro MaNI octoquad and lurkers [06:13] morning [06:14] Mornings [06:14] at least we gonna hit 27°c today [06:14] The days are getting nice now [06:14] Just the evenings thats a bit cool [06:15] whew i still get cold at night and mornings [06:26] hi thatgraemeguy [06:26] lo [06:26] i see you cloaked too now [06:26] good [06:27] uuhhh [06:27] i got a cloak months ago [06:27] oh my i been asleep [06:27] fwiw, which isn't a whole lot [07:59] good mornings [08:09] morning ainetpro [08:09] helloooo inetpro [08:09] haha [08:14] ai! [08:14] there it is ;) [08:14] thatgraemeguy: how you doing? :-) [08:16] it's friday and my colleague supplied me with an adequate supply of chilli biltong a little while ago..... I'm good thanks :-D [08:16] you? [09:07] Good day [09:15] Kilos, I've broken it! [09:15] what [09:16] fixed or broken Langjan ? [09:16] Die ou tannie sa laptop [09:16] stukkend? [09:17] Well, I messed around in bios, eventually tried reset to defaults, now it only opens bios [09:17] oh my [09:17] Tried some googling, no luck so far [09:18] lets think a bit [09:18] there must be a recovery [09:18] Ek dink al heelnag maar my kop is te plat [09:20] daar sal n uitkoms wees [09:21] you got uncapped internet Langjan [09:22] No but after the cap its only R5 per GB [09:23] try download win 7 somewhere and boot from it [09:23] but [09:23] lets think first [09:23] lets try [09:24] boot from ubuntu [09:24] then run sudo fsck /dev/sda1 [09:24] maybe needs to be sudo fsck -f /dev/sda1 [09:28] It wont boot from cd [09:29] ok then you need to look in bios again [09:30] Whats boot override? It takes me to a black screen with somethin, maybe it will boot from there? [09:31] you dont see bios [09:31] Yes I do [09:31] tap f1 and delete button from power on [09:31] ok [09:32] so in bios [09:32] look for boot options [09:32] Its the only thing I can get into [09:33] It gives only boot option 1: network card [09:33] oh my [09:33] UEFI: netwokr card [09:34] something in bios wrong then [09:34] currently disabled [09:35] It has fast boot and then launch csm, disabled [09:35] then boot option 1 uefi network card [09:36] then launch csm [09:36] somewhere win put something it bios [09:38] there must be a way to force bios [09:39] I have good hammers! [09:39] nono [09:39] we fix it [09:39] cant you get to bios default settings even [09:39] thks you make my day [09:40] Well thats where the trouble started, by restoring defaults [09:40] but yes, I can [09:40] do it asgain then dont try reboot [09:41] we go through it all step by step [09:41] Langjan: enabling fastboot on my laptop disables booting anything other than internal HDD, try disabling fastboot if its disabled in bios [09:41] It says start pxe over ipv4 [09:43] I will have to wait a while for bios to come back [09:43] ty thatgraemeguy [09:44] then will try thatgraemeguy 's instruction [09:44] ok its back [09:45] i need more lappy experience [09:45] thatgraemeguy, disable fast boot, the try reboot? [09:45] yes and then see if you have more boot options [09:45] launch csm is also disabled [09:46] is it a newish pc with that fancy uefi stuff? [09:46] its not too old, don't know about uefi? [09:47] mmm ok [09:47] no change after disabling fastbooot [09:47] what make and model? [09:48] Asus X55A [09:50] ok let me reverse a bit, what are you trying? [09:52] We started trying to install ubuntu dual boot, windows partition did not show so we were trying to get somewhere where we could see the win 7 installation. I eventually landed in the bios where I tried to restore defaults, since then it only opens in bios [09:53] so you have an existing windows 7 install that you want to keep? [09:53] thats right [09:53] and does it still boot or is it broken? [09:53] The machine came with win 8 but was downgraded to 7 [09:54] it does not boot, it opens in bios all the time [09:54] oh dear :-/ [09:54] Langjan go through bios settings one by one and say what you see [09:55] so if you turn it on it goes straight into the config for the bios? doesn't even try to boot and throw an error or anything like that? [09:55] nothing, staight into bios [09:56] did you make a note of changes you made in bios? [09:58] I did not find anything that seemed could help to change, so I tried restore defaults [09:58] urgh [09:58] who did the windows 7 installation? [09:59] The guys who sold the machine, local com shop [09:59] ouch [10:00] ok so either its now configured in uefi mode and windows is installed in bios mode, or vice versa [10:00] is it award bios [10:00] does your bios have a "CSM" setting and "Secure Boot" and if so what are their current values [10:01] launch csm is disabled [10:02] I have enabled it, shows nothing more [10:02] enable it and reboot [10:02] CSM is what lets a UEFI machine boot a normal BIOS/MBR setup [10:02] so if windows is in BIOS mode that ought to get it booting at least [10:04] Ok, it has opened upp a launch pxe oprom disabled, leave that as is? [10:04] yes pxe is network booting you don't need that [10:06] I have the same laptop with the same issue. Have sent it to ASUS for diagnosis. The hard drive controller died. Need to replace the motherboard. It is 6 months out of warranty. Going to cost $400. [10:06] uh-oh [10:06] from http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2005969/asus-x55a-boots-bios.html [10:06] It goes back to bios and resets the csm to disabled [10:06] the first screen you see in bios setup is usually a system info summary screen, does yours have that too? [10:07] where it says what cpu, mem, etc [10:07] yes [10:07] does it say anything about the hard disk model/size [10:09] no, only memory, processor, serial no, access level [10:09] gop version and ec version [10:09] mmmm it sounds like you may have a dead HDD or disk controller :-/ [10:10] think you might need to contact asus tech support for assistance [10:10] could that have happened when I reset bios to defaults? [10:11] unlikely [10:11] Thats what I thought, OK let me try to get them [10:11] hardware death is seldom related to software changes [10:12] Anyone here ever bought a Chromebook? [10:12] What puzzles me is that default setting gives no boot options [10:20] its something disabled somewhere [10:21] in default... [10:21] go through all the bios settings and tell here 1 by 1' [10:22] Ok just a sec, its in pxe again [10:24] OK advanced, internal pointing device enabled [10:24] wake on lid open enabled [10:25] power off energy saving enabled [10:25] asus usb charger battery mode disabled [10:25] intel virtualization technology disabled [10:25] sorry, enabled [10:26] does it charge via usb [10:26] not a power socket [10:26] no ower socket [10:26] power [10:26] if power socket then leave those settings as is [10:27] go next one [10:27] sata mode selection ahci [10:28] shows 2 serial ports, ata port 0 hard disc [10:28] serial ata port 2 atapi cd rom [10:29] graphics config 32M [10:29] usb config legacy usb support auto [10:30] xhca preboot mode auto [10:30] network stack disabled [10:30] booot config fast boot enabled [10:31] launch csm disabled [10:31] driver option priorities nothing shown [10:31] boot option riorities nothing shown [10:32] delete boot option nothing shown [10:32] security [10:32] no administrator passwords [10:33] I/O interface security lan network interface unlock [10:33] wireless network interface unlock [10:34] hd audio interface unlock [10:34] sata odd interface unlock [10:34] Dont know if unlock means it is locked or unlocked! [10:35] usb interface unlock [10:35] external ports unlock [10:35] blua tooth unlock [10:35] cmos camera unlock [10:35] card reader unlock [10:36] then nly save and exit page left [10:36] only [10:37] restore defaults ((where the trouble started) [10:37] maybe enable network stack. i dont know if it sees drives and dvd as part of a network [10:37] boot override [10:37] slow down some [10:38] I have tried t enable it, then it opens a black sreen with some wording and reverts to bios after a while [10:38] boot option priorities should show something [10:38] nothing [10:38] llok in security [10:38] look [10:39] only one left is launch efi shell from filesytem device, warning: not fund [10:39] whats in there [10:39] ok [10:40] adm password status not installed [10:40] there was something in bios i had to change on ians lenovo to be able to install ubuntu as well [10:40] user password status not installed [10:40] ok leave without password thing [10:40] lets look more [10:41] open boot option priorities [10:41] should show drive and dvd [10:41] nothing there to open [10:41] oh my [10:42] lemme look further [10:43] it only shows the drives in advanced [10:43] ah [10:43] go there [10:44] youll fing drive and dvd in wrong place i think [10:44] find [10:45] but normally drive c is at the top [10:45] read at bottom of page to see how to move them [10:46] some are up down arrow and others page up page down [10:47] They cannot move or be selected, only mode selection ahci or ide is live [10:49] what you see in there [10:49] c drive and dvd? [10:49] yes [10:50] if you tick on dvd does it light up [10:50] nope [10:50] hymm... [10:50] hmm... as well [10:50] read at the bottom [10:51] try tapping tab and see if anything happens [10:51] version 2.15.1226 copyright 2012 american megatrends [10:51] nothing [10:52] sigh [10:52] google the model and cant boot from c drive [10:53] or cant set boot priorities [11:05] nothing, this one's a bummer! [11:14] I keep on enabling fast boot and launch csm, but it keeps on resetting them to disabled [11:22] hmm... [11:22] there must be another setting in one of the advanced things [11:33] Langjan ? [11:33] no other advanced thing somewhere [11:41] Hi kilos, I folowed some google, removed the hard drive, restarted, checked ahci, replaced hard drivem, restrted, now i am getting something [11:41] yay [11:42] Im in a current vs new bios page [11:42] hmm... [11:42] maybe choose new [11:42] that current one was sick [11:43] choice is fs0 or fs1 [11:43] im asuming that stands for filesystem 0 and 1 [11:44] i have no idea what to choose [11:44] go with 0 lets see [11:44] let me google [11:44] ok [11:48] Check tis out and tell me if I am on the right track: http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?14024-BIOS-UPDATE!-how-to-do-it-Using-Easy-Flash [11:48] sec [11:50] flashing bios should only be done if its the only way to get pc going again [11:50] it can lead to bricked motherboard [11:51] if you do it then make sure you dont fiddle with anything while its doing its work [11:56] That site does not accept my email address as being valid - idiots [11:57] eish [11:57] anyway man [11:57] lets set a new bios page before you worry about flashing [12:00] ok what to do? [12:00] where are you now [12:00] fs0? [12:00] that fs0 or fs1 [12:00] yes [12:00] ya try fs0 [12:01] ok then I have to enter 0. [12:01] oh my [12:02] where you find this funny bios [12:02] Thats the flash utility [12:03] oh my [12:03] are you going to flash it [12:04] Never heard of flash, its just the first thing that came up after restart, must I go out? [12:04] yes [12:04] out [12:04] how? [12:04] it wipes bios [12:04] reboot [12:04] Its a blue page [12:04] dont save anything [12:04] ok [12:05] you always must first download new bios before you fiddle with flash [12:05] ok so I bypass start easy flash [12:05] otherwise you gonna take months to get it fixed [12:05] yes [12:05] Interna pointing device [12:05] whew [12:06] enabled [12:06] internal pd enabled [12:06] where do I go now? [12:06] whats a pd [12:07] is there a story there [12:07] pointing device [12:07] ok [12:07] is that all you see [12:07] wake on lid open enabled [12:07] where is the rest of the bios [12:07] no, where do I need to go? [12:08] into bios [12:08] so we can see if it sees drive and dvd [12:08] Ok but where in bios,im in advanced [12:08] put ubuntu in as well [12:08] oh [12:08] close that one then [12:09] its the same except flash added [12:09] esc i think [12:09] still no drive or dvd? [12:09] no [12:09] oh my [12:10] see it there is an advanced in the first page [12:10] somehwere i/o is disabled [12:10] nothing passing i/o bus [12:10] Ok I need to go have some lunch, can we take this up a bit later? [12:10] yessir [12:11] thkas [12:11] yw [13:12] Are you guys still busy with the computer? [13:44] Sorry Kilos lots of things happening here, but looks like we will not be able to edit that bios [13:44] Unless we can get the flash settings? [13:45] hi gremble , yes from bad to worse [13:54] oh my Langjan [13:54] hi gremble [13:55] ok Langjan then first go to that link and download the bios upgrade or whatever its called [13:55] then follow those instructions carefully [13:56] there are also the flashrom guys in linux, but they very technical [13:57] Like a dog chasing a bus, now I have it I don't know what to do with it... [13:57] so use the built in flash tool if possible [13:57] lol [13:57] or try pulling battery [13:57] and the small one inside somewhewre as well [13:58] Its a zip file, will the machine talk to usb via bios? [13:58] that sometimes gets past where the corrupt area is and starts off like new pc bios [13:59] Built -in flash tool? Where? I have been looking for a cmos battery, dont think this lappie has one... [13:59] the flashrom tool does its own thing [13:59] it must have one otherwise bios wouldnt remember [13:59] Where do I find it? [14:02] that flash thing you found and the link you gave [14:12] Kilos, it does not seem to pick up the file, it picks up some of the other files on my flashdrive...!? [14:12] oh my [14:13] try a stick with only the bios download on it [14:14] but if it sees the other files thats a good sign [14:14] im trying to remember when i did it with floppy [14:15] i think i downloaded a few bios flash files with new bios in before it eventuall say one [14:16] make sure you have the versions and everything correct [14:20] The websites are not at all clear about what is for which. Very frustrating. [14:21] yeah [14:48] Langjan also look for a bios upgrade for you version [14:49] Hi Kilos , I have mailed Asus technical support, lets see what we get. Will keep you posted. Many thanks for all your time. [14:50] ty [15:13] yikes! [15:13] you guys still... [16:02] Project gutenburg apparently doesn't like scraping its website [18:39] gremble: scarping gutenburg website, why? [18:40] scraping* [18:41] you mean the Project Gutenberg site? [18:41] I want the stories [18:41] I want to make a bot that tweets the books :P [18:42] hmm... [18:42] The Project Gutenberg website is for human users only [18:43] Yup, I've noticed that [18:44] I'm going to manually pull down one or two and then worry about getting more at a later stage [18:44] My main concern is to turn it into valid and useful tweets [18:47] 49,000 free ebooks is quite a lot of reading [18:47] Ya, A full book will probably take more than a year to tweet [18:48] So automated pulling is not really that big of a deal [18:48] not sure how an automated bot would add value and be practicable [18:48] I'll show you in a few weeks hopefully [18:48] :P [18:49] oh you want to tweet the content? [18:49] Yes [18:50] bite sized bits of HG Wells :D [18:50] interesting idea [18:50] or 20 000 leagues under the sea [18:50] I am still deciding which [18:50] and who is supposed to read all those tweets? [18:51] People dumb enough to follow the bot [18:51] :P [18:51] yikes! [18:51] That is not my problem [18:51] I am just here to produce content [18:51] Other people have to consume it [18:51] :D [18:52] sounds like an interesting but crazy challenge :-) [18:53] The most interesting part I think will be analysing the content and creating tweets in such a way that they aren't over 140 characters, but also do not cut in the middle of words and ideas [18:53] So probably a little bit of semantic analysis [18:57] good evening [19:01] hello magespawn [19:01] oh and wb SubOracle [19:02] Hey magespawn [19:09] and oom Kilos is sleepin? [19:09] certainly doing something else [19:09] Tired from flashing BIOS ROM the entire day [19:09] :P [19:13] ja, that can be exhausting work [19:13] ai! [19:39] sjoe [19:39] skuus man [19:40] aw gremble [19:40] you coulda helped langjan [19:40] he has to do that too [19:40] you the right guy to have around [19:40] Kilos, I'm bad at trying to diagnose issues from others' descriptions :/ [19:40] there is a package called flashrom [19:41] I don't think the problem has to do with reflashing the bios [19:41] and an irc channel i think [19:41] You only have to do that with firmware upgrades [19:41] they all far too clever for me [19:42] his is in bios i think [19:42] it dont see drives or dvdrom [19:42] bios got virus or just corrupt [19:42] only cure is bios upgrade or flashing [19:43] also wont allow him to enable things [19:44] anyway guys, bed time for me [19:44] night all, sleep tight [19:44] that includes inetpro [19:44] Night Kilos [19:47] Hi gremble [19:53] Hi and bye I guess haha [20:06] any capetonians in the house/ [20:07] of course [20:08] * superfly prod magespawn [20:08] what is the average cost of living there superfly? [20:08] magespawn: sjoe, that's a difficult question [20:08] hmm indeed [20:08] magespawn: it depends on a lot of things... where you live for one [20:08] how big your family [20:08] what would be a good salary? [20:09] depends on what sector you're in [20:09] and your experience [20:09] 2 kids 1 wife 3 dogs (jack russels) [20:09] well, we manage to get by on my salary [20:09] IT Support/ Junior systems admin [20:10] only you work superfly? [20:10] yes [20:10] salary for the jobs i am looking at are R18 000 to R28 000 per month [20:10] but we are very careful about what money we spend, and even then it's actually a tight squeeze [20:10] magespawn: will the mrs also be able to work? [20:11] yes when she comes down her range is R25 000 to R35 000 [20:12] cool, then I think you guys will manage [20:12] magespawn: do you have Telegram? [20:12] nope but i assume i can just download it [20:12] Yep. [20:13] * magespawn goes to look [20:13] magespawn: also, subscribe to to clug-work [20:13] tdesktop.org [20:13] ty [20:13] I'm also "superfly" on Telegram :-) [20:13] that makes it easy [20:15] Telegram? [20:15] hi guys [20:16] hi Cryterion [20:21] Cryterion: it's a cross-platform messaging app. Android, iOS, Windows, Mac, Linux [20:24] It's very nice. [20:25] got no space left on my phone though [20:25] i like cross platform, secure? [20:26] yes [20:26] might just have to clear something off the phone [20:26] magespawn: also on PC [20:26] so i see [21:27] good night all