[05:53] <pieter2627> morning all
[06:12] <barrydk> More almal
[06:13] <Kilos> hi barrydk mazal inetpro MaNI octoquad and lurkers
[06:13] <MaNI> morning
[06:14] <mazal> Mornings
[06:14] <Kilos> at least we gonna hit 27°c today
[06:14] <mazal> The days are getting nice now
[06:14] <mazal> Just the evenings thats a bit cool
[06:15] <Kilos> whew i still get cold at night and mornings
[06:26] <Kilos> hi thatgraemeguy 
[06:26] <thatgraemeguy> lo
[06:26] <Kilos> i see you cloaked too now
[06:26] <Kilos> good
[06:27] <thatgraemeguy> uuhhh
[06:27] <thatgraemeguy> i got a cloak months ago
[06:27] <Kilos> oh my i been asleep
[06:27] <thatgraemeguy> fwiw, which isn't a whole lot
[07:59] <inetpro> good mornings
[08:09] <thatgraemeguy> morning ainetpro
[08:09] <Kilos> helloooo inetpro 
[08:09] <Kilos> haha
[08:14] <inetpro> ai!
[08:14] <thatgraemeguy> there it is ;)
[08:14] <inetpro> thatgraemeguy: how you doing? :-)
[08:16] <thatgraemeguy> it's friday and my colleague supplied me with an adequate supply of chilli biltong a little while ago..... I'm good thanks :-D
[08:16] <thatgraemeguy> you?
[09:07] <gremble> Good day
[09:15] <Langjan> Kilos,  I've broken it!
[09:15] <Kilos> what
[09:16] <Kilos> fixed or broken Langjan ?
[09:16] <Langjan> Die ou tannie sa laptop
[09:16] <Kilos> stukkend?
[09:17] <Langjan> Well, I messed around in bios, eventually tried reset to defaults, now it only opens bios
[09:17] <Kilos> oh my
[09:17] <Langjan> Tried some googling, no luck so far
[09:18] <Kilos> lets think a bit
[09:18] <Kilos> there must be a recovery
[09:18] <Langjan> Ek dink al heelnag maar my kop is te plat
[09:20] <Kilos> daar sal n uitkoms wees
[09:21] <Kilos> you got uncapped internet Langjan 
[09:22] <Langjan> No but after the cap its only R5 per GB 
[09:23] <Kilos> try download win 7 somewhere and boot from it
[09:23] <Kilos> but
[09:23] <Kilos> lets think first
[09:23] <Kilos> lets try
[09:24] <Kilos> boot from ubuntu
[09:24] <Kilos> then run sudo fsck /dev/sda1
[09:24] <Kilos> maybe needs to be sudo fsck -f /dev/sda1
[09:28] <Langjan> It wont boot from cd
[09:29] <Kilos> ok then you need to look in bios again
[09:30] <Langjan> Whats boot override? It takes me to a black screen with somethin, maybe it will boot from there?
[09:31] <Kilos> you dont see bios
[09:31] <Langjan> Yes I do
[09:31] <Kilos> tap f1 and delete button from power on
[09:31] <Kilos> ok 
[09:32] <Kilos> so in bios
[09:32] <Kilos> look for boot options
[09:32] <Langjan> Its the only thing I can get into
[09:33] <Langjan> It gives only boot option 1: network card
[09:33] <Kilos> oh my
[09:33] <Langjan> UEFI: netwokr card
[09:34] <Kilos> something in bios wrong then
[09:34] <Langjan> currently disabled
[09:35] <Langjan> It has fast boot and then launch csm, disabled
[09:35] <Langjan> then boot option 1 uefi network card
[09:36] <Langjan> then launch csm
[09:36] <Kilos> somewhere win put something it bios
[09:38] <Kilos> there must be a way to force bios
[09:39] <Langjan> I have good hammers! 
[09:39] <Kilos> nono
[09:39] <Kilos> we fix it
[09:39] <Kilos> cant you get to bios default settings even
[09:39] <Langjan> thks you make my day
[09:40] <Langjan> Well thats where the trouble started, by restoring defaults
[09:40] <Langjan> but yes, I can 
[09:40] <Kilos> do it asgain then dont try reboot
[09:41] <Kilos> we go through it all step by step
[09:41] <thatgraemeguy> Langjan: enabling fastboot on my laptop disables booting anything other than internal HDD, try disabling fastboot if its disabled in bios
[09:41] <Langjan> It says start pxe over ipv4
[09:43] <Langjan> I will have to wait a while for bios to come back
[09:43] <Kilos> ty thatgraemeguy 
[09:44] <Langjan> then will try thatgraemeguy 's instruction
[09:44] <Langjan> ok its back
[09:45] <Kilos> i need more lappy experience
[09:45] <Langjan> thatgraemeguy, disable fast boot, the try reboot? 
[09:45] <thatgraemeguy> yes and then see if you have more boot options
[09:45] <Langjan> launch csm is also disabled
[09:46] <thatgraemeguy> is it a newish pc with that fancy uefi stuff?
[09:46] <Langjan> its not too old, don't know about uefi?
[09:47] <thatgraemeguy> mmm ok
[09:47] <Langjan> no change after disabling fastbooot 
[09:47] <thatgraemeguy> what make and model?
[09:48] <Langjan> Asus X55A
[09:50] <thatgraemeguy> ok let me reverse a bit, what are you trying?
[09:52] <Langjan> We started trying to install ubuntu dual boot, windows partition did not show so we were trying to get somewhere where we could see the win 7 installation. I eventually landed in the bios where I tried to restore defaults, since then it only opens in bios 
[09:53] <thatgraemeguy> so you have an existing windows 7 install that you want to keep?
[09:53] <Langjan> thats right
[09:53] <thatgraemeguy> and does it still boot or is it broken?
[09:53] <Langjan> The machine came with win 8 but was downgraded to 7 
[09:54] <Langjan> it does not boot, it opens in bios all the time
[09:54] <thatgraemeguy> oh dear :-/
[09:54] <Kilos> Langjan  go through bios settings one by one and say what you see
[09:55] <thatgraemeguy> so if you turn it on it goes straight into the config for the bios? doesn't even try to boot and throw an error or anything like that?
[09:55] <Langjan> nothing, staight into bios
[09:56] <thatgraemeguy> did you make a note of changes you made in bios?
[09:58] <Langjan> I did not find anything that seemed could help to change, so I tried  restore defaults
[09:58] <thatgraemeguy> urgh
[09:58] <thatgraemeguy> who did the windows 7 installation?
[09:59] <Langjan> The guys who sold the machine, local com shop 
[09:59] <thatgraemeguy> ouch
[10:00] <thatgraemeguy> ok so either its now configured in uefi mode and windows is installed in bios mode, or vice versa
[10:00] <Kilos> is it award bios
[10:00] <thatgraemeguy> does your bios have a "CSM" setting and "Secure Boot" and if so what are their current values
[10:01] <Langjan> launch csm is disabled
[10:02] <Langjan> I have enabled it, shows nothing more
[10:02] <thatgraemeguy> enable it and reboot
[10:02] <thatgraemeguy> CSM is what lets a UEFI machine boot a normal BIOS/MBR setup
[10:02] <thatgraemeguy> so if windows is in BIOS mode that ought to get it booting at least
[10:04] <Langjan> Ok, it has opened upp a launch pxe oprom disabled, leave that as is?  
[10:04] <thatgraemeguy> yes pxe is network booting you don't need that
[10:06] <thatgraemeguy> I have the same laptop with the same issue. Have sent it to ASUS for diagnosis. The hard drive controller died. Need to replace the motherboard. It is 6 months out of warranty. Going to cost $400.
[10:06] <thatgraemeguy> uh-oh
[10:06] <thatgraemeguy> from http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2005969/asus-x55a-boots-bios.html
[10:06] <Langjan> It goes back to bios and resets the csm to disabled 
[10:06] <thatgraemeguy> the first screen you see in bios setup is usually a system info summary screen, does yours have that too?
[10:07] <thatgraemeguy> where it says what cpu, mem, etc
[10:07] <Langjan> yes
[10:07] <thatgraemeguy> does it say anything about the hard disk model/size
[10:09] <Langjan> no, only memory, processor, serial no, access level
[10:09] <Langjan> gop version and ec version
[10:09] <thatgraemeguy> mmmm it sounds like you may have a dead HDD or disk controller :-/
[10:10] <thatgraemeguy> think you might need to contact asus tech support for assistance
[10:10] <Langjan> could that have happened when I reset bios to defaults?
[10:11] <thatgraemeguy> unlikely
[10:11] <Langjan> Thats what I thought, OK let me try to get them
[10:11] <thatgraemeguy> hardware death is seldom related to software changes
[10:12] <superfly> Anyone here ever bought a Chromebook?
[10:12] <Langjan> What puzzles me is that default setting gives no boot options
[10:20] <Kilos> its something disabled somewhere
[10:21] <Langjan> in default...
[10:21] <Kilos> go through all the bios settings and tell here 1 by 1'
[10:22] <Langjan> Ok just a sec, its in pxe again
[10:24] <Langjan> OK advanced, internal pointing device enabled
[10:24] <Langjan> wake on lid open enabled
[10:25] <Langjan> power off energy saving enabled
[10:25] <Langjan> asus usb charger battery mode disabled
[10:25] <Langjan> intel virtualization technology disabled
[10:25] <Langjan> sorry, enabled
[10:26] <Kilos> does it charge via usb
[10:26] <Kilos> not a power socket
[10:26] <Langjan> no ower socket  
[10:26] <Langjan> power
[10:26] <Kilos> if power socket then leave those settings as is
[10:27] <Kilos> go next one
[10:27] <Langjan> sata mode selection  ahci
[10:28] <Langjan> shows 2 serial ports, ata port 0 hard disc
[10:28] <Langjan> serial ata port 2 atapi cd rom
[10:29] <Langjan> graphics config 32M
[10:29] <Langjan> usb config legacy usb support auto
[10:30] <Langjan> xhca preboot mode auto
[10:30] <Langjan> network stack disabled
[10:30] <Langjan> booot config fast boot enabled
[10:31] <Langjan> launch csm disabled
[10:31] <Langjan> driver option priorities nothing shown
[10:31] <Langjan> boot option riorities nothing shown
[10:32] <Langjan> delete boot option nothing shown
[10:32] <Langjan> security
[10:32] <Langjan> no administrator passwords
[10:33] <Langjan> I/O interface security  lan network interface unlock
[10:33] <Langjan> wireless network interface unlock
[10:34] <Langjan> hd audio interface unlock
[10:34] <Langjan> sata odd interface unlock
[10:34] <Langjan> Dont know if unlock means it is locked or unlocked!
[10:35] <Langjan> usb interface unlock
[10:35] <Langjan> external ports unlock
[10:35] <Langjan> blua tooth unlock
[10:35] <Langjan> cmos camera unlock
[10:35] <Langjan> card reader unlock
[10:36] <Langjan> then nly save and exit page left
[10:36] <Langjan> only
[10:37] <Langjan> restore defaults ((where the trouble started)
[10:37] <Kilos> maybe enable network stack. i dont know if it sees drives and dvd as part of a network
[10:37] <Langjan> boot override
[10:37] <Kilos> slow down some
[10:38] <Langjan> I have tried t enable it, then it opens a black sreen with some wording and reverts to bios after a while
[10:38] <Kilos> boot option priorities should show something
[10:38] <Langjan> nothing 
[10:38] <Kilos> llok in security
[10:38] <Kilos> look
[10:39] <Langjan> only one left is launch efi shell from filesytem device, warning: not fund
[10:39] <Kilos> whats in there
[10:39] <Langjan> ok
[10:40] <Langjan> adm password status not installed
[10:40] <Kilos> there was something in bios i had to change on ians lenovo to be able to install ubuntu as well
[10:40] <Langjan> user password status not installed
[10:40] <Kilos> ok leave without password thing
[10:40] <Kilos> lets look more
[10:41] <Kilos> open boot option priorities
[10:41] <Kilos> should show drive and dvd
[10:41] <Langjan> nothing there to open
[10:41] <Kilos> oh my
[10:42] <Kilos> lemme look further
[10:43] <Langjan> it only shows the drives in advanced
[10:43] <Kilos> ah 
[10:43] <Kilos> go there
[10:44] <Kilos> youll fing drive and dvd in wrong place i think
[10:44] <Kilos> find
[10:45] <Kilos> but normally drive c is at the top
[10:45] <Kilos> read at bottom of page to see how to move them
[10:46] <Kilos> some are up down arrow and others page up page down
[10:47] <Langjan> They cannot move or be selected, only mode selection ahci  or ide is live
[10:49] <Kilos> what you see in there
[10:49] <Kilos> c drive and dvd?
[10:49] <Langjan> yes
[10:50] <Kilos> if you tick on dvd does it light up
[10:50] <Langjan> nope
[10:50] <Kilos> hymm...
[10:50] <Kilos> hmm... as well
[10:50] <Kilos> read at the bottom
[10:51] <Kilos> try tapping tab and see if anything happens
[10:51] <Langjan> version 2.15.1226 copyright 2012 american megatrends
[10:51] <Langjan> nothing
[10:52] <Kilos> sigh
[10:52] <Kilos> google the model and cant boot from c drive
[10:53] <Kilos> or cant set boot priorities
[11:05] <Langjan> nothing, this one's a bummer!
[11:14] <Langjan> I keep on enabling fast boot and launch csm, but it keeps on resetting them to disabled
[11:22] <Kilos> hmm...
[11:22] <Kilos> there must be another setting in one of the advanced things
[11:33] <Kilos> Langjan  ?
[11:33] <Kilos> no other advanced thing somewhere
[11:41] <Langjan> Hi kilos, I folowed some google, removed the hard drive, restarted, checked ahci, replaced hard drivem, restrted, now i am getting something
[11:41] <Kilos> yay
[11:42] <Langjan> Im in a current vs new bios page
[11:42] <Kilos> hmm...
[11:42] <Kilos> maybe choose new
[11:42] <Kilos> that current one was sick
[11:43] <Langjan> choice is fs0  or fs1 
[11:43] <Kilos> im asuming that stands for filesystem 0 and 1
[11:44] <Kilos> i have no idea what to choose
[11:44] <Kilos> go with 0 lets see
[11:44] <Langjan> let me google
[11:44] <Kilos> ok
[11:48] <Langjan> Check tis out and tell me if I am on the right track: http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?14024-BIOS-UPDATE!-how-to-do-it-Using-Easy-Flash
[11:48] <Kilos> sec
[11:50] <Kilos> flashing bios should only be done if its the only way to get pc going again
[11:50] <Kilos> it can lead to bricked motherboard
[11:51] <Kilos> if you do it then make sure you dont fiddle with anything while its doing its work
[11:56] <Langjan> That site does not accept my email address as being valid - idiots
[11:57] <Kilos> eish
[11:57] <Kilos> anyway man
[11:57] <Kilos> lets set a new bios page before you worry about flashing
[12:00] <Langjan> ok what to do?
[12:00] <Kilos> where are you now
[12:00] <Langjan> fs0?
[12:00] <Kilos> that fs0 or fs1
[12:00] <Langjan> yes
[12:00] <Kilos> ya try fs0
[12:01] <Langjan> ok then I have to enter 0.<DIR>
[12:01] <Kilos> oh my
[12:02] <Kilos> where you find this funny bios
[12:02] <Langjan> Thats the flash utility
[12:03] <Kilos> oh my
[12:03] <Kilos> are you going to flash it
[12:04] <Langjan> Never heard of flash, its just the first thing that came up after restart, must I go out?
[12:04] <Kilos> yes
[12:04] <Kilos> out
[12:04] <Langjan> how?
[12:04] <Kilos> it wipes bios
[12:04] <Kilos> reboot
[12:04] <Langjan> Its a blue page
[12:04] <Kilos> dont save anything
[12:04] <Langjan> ok
[12:05] <Kilos> you always must first download new bios before you fiddle with flash
[12:05] <Langjan> ok so I bypass start easy flash
[12:05] <Kilos> otherwise you gonna take months to get it fixed
[12:05] <Kilos> yes
[12:05] <Langjan> Interna pointing device
[12:05] <Kilos> whew
[12:06] <Langjan> enabled
[12:06] <Langjan> internal pd enabled
[12:06] <Langjan> where do I go now?
[12:06] <Kilos> whats a pd
[12:07] <Kilos> is there a story there
[12:07] <Langjan> pointing device
[12:07] <Kilos> ok
[12:07] <Kilos> is that all you see
[12:07] <Langjan> wake on lid open enabled
[12:07] <Kilos> where is the rest of the bios
[12:07] <Langjan> no, where do I need to go?
[12:08] <Kilos> into bios
[12:08] <Kilos> so we can see if it sees drive and dvd
[12:08] <Langjan> Ok but where in bios,im in advanced
[12:08] <Kilos> put ubuntu in as well
[12:08] <Kilos> oh
[12:08] <Kilos> close that one then
[12:09] <Langjan> its the same except flash added
[12:09] <Kilos> esc i think
[12:09] <Kilos> still no drive or dvd?
[12:09] <Langjan> no
[12:09] <Kilos> oh my
[12:10] <Kilos> see it there is an advanced in the first page
[12:10] <Kilos> somehwere i/o is disabled
[12:10] <Kilos> nothing passing i/o bus
[12:10] <Langjan> Ok I need to go have some lunch, can we take this up a bit later? 
[12:10] <Kilos> yessir
[12:11] <Langjan> thkas 
[12:11] <Kilos> yw
[13:12] <gremble> Are you guys still busy with the computer?
[13:44] <Langjan> Sorry Kilos  lots of things happening here, but looks like we will not be able to edit that bios
[13:44] <Langjan> Unless we can get the flash settings?
[13:45] <Langjan> hi gremble , yes from bad to worse
[13:54] <Kilos> oh my Langjan 
[13:54] <Kilos> hi gremble 
[13:55] <Kilos> ok Langjan then first go to that link and download the bios upgrade or whatever its called
[13:55] <Kilos> then follow those instructions carefully
[13:56] <Kilos> there are also the flashrom guys in linux, but they very technical
[13:57] <Langjan> Like a dog chasing a bus, now I have it I don't know what to do with it...
[13:57] <Kilos> so use the built in flash tool if possible
[13:57] <Kilos> lol
[13:57] <Kilos> or try pulling battery
[13:57] <Kilos> and the small one inside somewhewre as well
[13:58] <Langjan> Its a zip file, will the machine talk to usb via bios?
[13:58] <Kilos> that sometimes gets past where the corrupt area is and starts off like new pc bios
[13:59] <Langjan> Built -in flash tool? Where? I have been looking for a cmos battery, dont think this lappie has one...
[13:59] <Kilos> the flashrom tool does its own thing
[13:59] <Kilos> it must have one otherwise bios wouldnt remember
[13:59] <Langjan> Where do I find it?
[14:02] <Kilos> that flash thing you found and the link you gave
[14:12] <Langjan> Kilos, it does not seem to pick up the file, it picks up some of the other files on my flashdrive...!? 
[14:12] <Kilos> oh my
[14:13] <Kilos> try a stick with only the bios download on it
[14:14] <Kilos> but if it sees the other files thats a good sign
[14:14] <Kilos> im trying to remember when i did it with floppy
[14:15] <Kilos> i think i downloaded a few bios flash files with new bios in before it eventuall say one
[14:16] <Kilos> make sure you have the versions and everything correct
[14:20] <Langjan> The websites are not at all clear about what  is for which. Very frustrating.
[14:21] <Kilos> yeah
[14:48] <Kilos> Langjan  also look for a bios upgrade for you version
[14:49] <Langjan> Hi Kilos , I have mailed Asus technical support, lets see what we get. Will keep you posted. Many thanks for all your time. 
[14:50] <Kilos> ty
[15:13] <inetpro> yikes!
[15:13] <inetpro> you guys still...
[16:02] <gremble> Project gutenburg apparently doesn't like scraping its website
[18:39] <inetpro> gremble: scarping gutenburg website, why?
[18:40] <inetpro> scraping*
[18:41] <inetpro> you mean the Project Gutenberg site?
[18:41] <gremble> I want the stories
[18:41] <gremble> I want to make a bot that tweets the books :P
[18:42] <inetpro> hmm...
[18:42] <inetpro> The Project Gutenberg website is for human users only
[18:43] <gremble> Yup, I've noticed that
[18:44] <gremble> I'm going to manually pull down one or two and then worry about getting more at a later stage
[18:44] <gremble> My main concern is to turn it into valid and useful tweets
[18:47] <inetpro> 49,000 free ebooks is quite a lot of reading
[18:47] <gremble> Ya, A full book will probably take more than a year to tweet
[18:48] <gremble> So automated pulling is not really that big of a deal
[18:48] <inetpro> not sure how an automated bot would add value and be practicable
[18:48] <gremble> I'll show you in a few weeks hopefully
[18:48] <gremble> :P
[18:49] <inetpro> oh you want to tweet the content?
[18:49] <gremble> Yes
[18:50] <gremble> bite sized bits of HG Wells :D
[18:50] <inetpro> interesting idea
[18:50] <gremble> or 20 000 leagues under the sea
[18:50] <gremble> I am still deciding which
[18:50] <inetpro> and who is supposed to read all those tweets?
[18:51] <gremble> People dumb enough to follow the bot
[18:51] <gremble> :P
[18:51] <inetpro> yikes!
[18:51] <gremble> That is not my problem
[18:51] <gremble> I am just here to produce content
[18:51] <gremble> Other people have to consume it
[18:51] <gremble> :D
[18:52] <inetpro> sounds like an interesting but crazy challenge :-)
[18:53] <gremble> The most interesting part I think will be analysing the content and creating tweets in such a way that they aren't over 140 characters, but also do not cut in the middle of words and ideas
[18:53] <gremble> So probably a little bit of semantic analysis
[18:57] <magespawn> good evening
[19:01] <inetpro> hello magespawn
[19:01] <inetpro> oh and wb SubOracle
[19:02] <gremble> Hey magespawn 
[19:09] <inetpro> and oom Kilos is sleepin?
[19:09] <magespawn> certainly doing something else
[19:09] <gremble> Tired from flashing BIOS ROM the entire day
[19:09] <gremble> :P
[19:13] <magespawn> ja, that can be exhausting work
[19:13] <inetpro> ai!
[19:39] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:39] <Kilos> skuus man
[19:40] <Kilos> aw gremble
[19:40] <Kilos> you coulda helped langjan
[19:40] <Kilos> he has to do that too
[19:40] <Kilos> you the right guy to have around
[19:40] <gremble> Kilos, I'm bad at trying to diagnose issues from others' descriptions :/
[19:40] <Kilos> there is a package called flashrom
[19:41] <gremble> I don't think the problem has to do with reflashing the bios
[19:41] <Kilos> and an irc channel i think
[19:41] <gremble> You only have to do that with firmware upgrades
[19:41] <Kilos> they all far too clever for me
[19:42] <Kilos> his is in bios i think
[19:42] <Kilos> it dont see drives or dvdrom
[19:42] <Kilos> bios got virus or just corrupt
[19:42] <Kilos> only cure is bios upgrade or flashing
[19:43] <Kilos> also wont allow him to enable things
[19:44] <Kilos> anyway guys, bed time for me
[19:44] <Kilos> night all, sleep tight
[19:44] <Kilos> that includes inetpro 
[19:44] <gremble> Night Kilos 
[19:47] <Langjan> Hi gremble 
[19:53] <gremble> Hi and bye I guess haha
[20:06] <magespawn> any capetonians in the house/
[20:07] <superfly> of course
[20:08]  * superfly prod magespawn
[20:08] <magespawn> what is the average cost of living there superfly?
[20:08] <superfly> magespawn: sjoe, that's a difficult question
[20:08] <magespawn> hmm indeed
[20:08] <superfly> magespawn: it depends on a lot of things... where you live for one
[20:08] <superfly> how big your family
[20:08] <magespawn> what would be a good salary?
[20:09] <superfly> depends on what sector you're in
[20:09] <superfly> and your experience
[20:09] <magespawn> 2 kids 1 wife 3 dogs (jack russels)
[20:09] <superfly> well, we manage to get by on my salary
[20:09] <magespawn> IT Support/ Junior systems admin
[20:10] <magespawn> only you work superfly?
[20:10] <superfly> yes
[20:10] <magespawn> salary for the jobs i am looking at are R18 000 to R28 000  per month
[20:10] <superfly> but we are very careful about what money we spend, and even then it's actually a tight squeeze
[20:10] <superfly> magespawn: will the mrs also be able to work?
[20:11] <magespawn> yes when she comes down her range is R25 000 to R35 000
[20:12] <superfly> cool, then I think you guys will manage
[20:12] <superfly> magespawn: do you have Telegram?
[20:12] <magespawn> nope but i assume i can just download it
[20:12] <superfly> Yep.
[20:13]  * magespawn goes to look
[20:13] <superfly> magespawn: also, subscribe to to clug-work
[20:13] <superfly> tdesktop.org
[20:13] <magespawn> ty
[20:13] <superfly> I'm also "superfly" on Telegram :-)
[20:13] <magespawn> that makes it easy
[20:15] <Cryterion> Telegram?
[20:15] <Cryterion> hi guys
[20:16] <magespawn> hi Cryterion 
[20:21] <superfly> Cryterion: it's a cross-platform messaging app. Android, iOS, Windows, Mac, Linux
[20:24] <gremble> It's very nice. 
[20:25] <magespawn> got no space left on my phone though
[20:25] <magespawn> i like cross platform, secure?
[20:26] <superfly> yes
[20:26] <magespawn> might just have to clear something off the phone
[20:26] <superfly> magespawn: also on PC
[20:26] <magespawn> so i see
[21:27] <magespawn> good night all