[00:00] <ahoneybun> TuxMario
[00:00] <ahoneybun> on the mailing list
[00:01] <valorie> that's fine, he can ask there
[00:01] <valorie> and enlighten his fellow listmembers
[00:01] <valorie> we all started out new at some point
[00:02] <ahoneybun> of course
[00:02] <ahoneybun> did you go to OSCON?
[00:02] <ahoneybun> thats where you got the pin "Write the Docs"
[00:03] <valorie> nope, got that in Brno
[00:03] <valorie> haven't been to OSCON in a few years, since it went totally corporate
[00:03] <ahoneybun> Brno?
[00:05] <valorie> yes, last year's Akademy
[00:07] <ahoneybun> oh right
[00:08] <valorie> ok, gotta go eat dinner and go to my daddy's
[00:09] <ahoneybun> k
[04:49] <soee_> lot of packages are marked today to be removed in Wily: 
[04:49] <soee_> akregator apturl-kde kaddressbook kde-telepathy-declarative kdepim-kresources kdepim-runtime kmail knotes kontact korganizer libcalendarsupport4 libeventviews4
[04:49] <soee_>   libincidenceeditorsng4 libkdepim4 libkdepimdbusinterfaces4 libkleo4 libkolab0 libkpeople4 libksieveui4 libktpcommoninternalsprivate8 libktploggerprivate8 libktpmodelsprivate8
[04:49] <soee_>   libktpotrprivate8 libktpwidgetsprivate8 libmailcommon4 libmailimporter4 libmessagecomposer4 libmessagecore4 libmessagelist4 libmessageviewer4 libnoteshared4 libpimcommon4
[04:49] <soee_>   libtemplateparser4 python3-pykde4
[06:09] <yofel> you probably don't want to upgrade until we've sorted out kdepim-kf5
[06:11] <soee_> yup, i left it without updates ;)
[09:15] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:35] <clivejo> anyone remember where the latest wily iso is?
[10:37] <clivejo> is this the latest? - http://files.kde.org/snapshots/kubuntu-201508071009-amd64.iso
[10:37] <clivejo> hi soee_
[10:44] <lordievader> clivejo: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20150815/wily-desktop-amd64.iso
[11:28] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:41] <clivejo> hi BluesKaj
[11:41] <BluesKaj> hi clivejo 
[11:51] <clivejo> what is libboost1.58-dev?
[11:53] <clivejo> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[11:53] <clivejo>  pbuilder-satisfydepends-dummy : Depends: libkf5ldap-dev which is a virtual package.
[11:53] <clivejo>                                  Depends: libkf5mbox-dev which is a virtual package.
[12:02] <clivejo> is there a why of setting up a basic build environment of wily in virtual box?
[12:02] <clivejo> way
[12:04] <yofel> well, the usual way would be to install wily in virtualbox, then there start with 'apt-get build-dep <pkg>' for what you want to work for (or a similiar package if you work on something new). Then go from there..
[12:04] <yofel> or if you really just need a build environment, make a chroot with debootstrap
[12:04] <yofel> or use pbuilder-dist for a simple interface to pbuilder
[12:04] <yofel> pbuilder is pretty much just a chroot manager
[12:05] <yofel> (for throw-away chroots)
[12:07] <clivejo> hi yodel
[12:07] <yofel> who's that :P
[12:07] <clivejo> Im trying to build kdepimlibs
[12:08] <clivejo> dont mind me, spelling isnt one of my skills!
[12:08] <yofel> uh, the kf5 one that harald was working on?
[12:08] <clivejo> yeah
[12:08] <yofel> okay
[12:08] <clivejo> trying to build it in pbuilder
[12:08] <clivejo> so added the frmaeworks and apps ppa
[12:09] <clivejo> but its complaining about virtual packages
[12:09] <yofel> that's essentially apt telling you "the package you want does not exist"
[12:10] <clivejo> LOL why doesnt it say that!
[12:10] <lordievader> clivejo: We have <tab> for spelling ;)
[12:10] <yofel> well, it essentially means "yes, I know what you mean as some packages tell me about it, but I cannot find a valid location to get it from"
[12:11] <yofel> as we have packages that are virtual on purpose, but that's advanced stuff
[12:12] <clivejo> I cant find this libkf5ldap-dev package on ubuntu
[12:12] <clivejo> but there are rpm packages
[12:12] <clivejo> is it not part of frameworks?
[12:14] <yofel> uhm... no idea, I'll dig around a bit
[12:16] <clivejo> cant find it on LP
[12:17] <yofel> right, it's not packaged it seems
[12:17] <yofel> there is kldap in applications 15.07.90, but I find no packaging for that
[12:18] <yofel> oh wait, there is a repo for kldap
[12:21] <yofel> oh, kldap failed to build
[12:21] <yofel> symbols..
[12:21] <yofel> fixing..
[12:23] <clivejo> is it just missing symbols or transition?
[12:26] <yofel> kldap is new, so we don't care
[12:26] <clivejo> so I could fix that :)
[12:27] <yofel> I already fixed it
[12:28] <doko> clivejo, please use unversioned boost dependencies
[12:28] <yofel> kmbox is missing a dep
[12:28] <clivejo> doko: it was a held back lib in my wily install
[12:29] <clivejo> I was wondering what it was
[12:29] <clivejo> yofel: where are these?
[12:30] <yofel> the packages? on alioth as usual
[12:30] <clivejo> where are they being built
[12:30] <yofel> in the apps ppa
[12:31] <yofel> kmbox fixed
[12:32] <BluesKaj> what's kmbox?
[12:33] <clivejo> BluesKaj: package needed to build the new KDEPIM packages
[12:33] <yofel> library for managing "mbox" email mailboxes
[12:33] <yofel> hm, kdepimlibs git is already unversioned
[12:34] <clivejo> so that kmbox creates kmbox-dev?
[12:34] <BluesKaj> clivejo:  ok thanks , I avoid the PIM packages since I don't need them 
[12:34] <yofel> yes, once those 2 are built, launchpad should auto-retry kdepimlibs
[12:37] <clivejo> failed
[12:37] <clivejo> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/214557565/buildlog_ubuntu-wily-amd64.kmbox_4%3A15.07.90-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.10~ppa2_BUILDING.txt.gz
[12:37] <clivejo> looks like symbols
[12:37] <yofel> fixed agian
[12:38] <clivejo> dpkg-gensymbols: warning: debian/libkf5mbox5/DEBIAN/symbols doesn't match completely debian/libkf5mbox5.symbols
[12:38] <clivejo> where do the "stub" symbols come from?
[12:40] <yofel> debian/libkf5mbox5/DEBIAN/symbols is generated during build with the symbols of the just built library
[12:40] <yofel> debian/libkf5mbox5.symbols is shipped in the package with the known symbol list
[12:46] <yofel> wth is  libkf5akonadimime-dev
[12:57] <clivejo> yofel: could it be libkf5mime-dev ?
[12:57] <clivejo> yofel: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-kdeapplications/+packages?field.name_filter=kmime&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=
[13:03] <yofel> probbly
[13:03] <clivejo> where are you finding it?
[13:03] <clivejo> in the kdepimlibs control file
[13:04] <clivejo> Package: libkf5akonadimime-dev
[13:04] <clivejo> so once kdepimlibs builds we'll have access to those
[13:06] <clivejo> yup, there we go
[13:06] <clivejo> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-kdeapplications/+build/7799116
[13:07] <clivejo> libkf5akonadimime-dev-4:15.07.90-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.10~ppa3
[13:09] <clivejo> yofel: few issues with it
[13:09] <clivejo> missing files and lintian complaints
[13:12] <yofel> ah nice, with the mime thing akonadi should continue building
[13:13] <snele> guys did someone make some changes to muon in wily? configure sources is broken in muon, updater and discover
[13:14] <snele> it triggers check for updates
[13:14] <snele> just checked todays daily, I get the same bug
[13:18] <yofel> no clue, but as a workaround use "kdesudo software-properties-kde"
[13:18] <yofel> and if you have time, check if there's a bug for it
[13:27] <snele> yofel: just opened bug report https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/muon/+bug/1485212
[13:29] <yofel> thanks!
[13:31] <ahoneybun> that just Muon or Muon Discover?
[13:33] <snele> ahoneybun: muon, discover and updater
[13:33] <snele> all 3 are broken
[13:33] <yofel> well, it's the same call
[13:33] <ahoneybun> I'm in Muon Discover and the button "Configure Software Sources' does nothing for me that I can tell
[13:34] <ahoneybun> well "Update available" keeps poping up
[13:34] <snele> yes in discover it does nothing, in muon and updater it triggers "check for updates"
[13:34] <ahoneybun> I see Riddell has not pushed my changes to Discover as well...
[13:37] <ahoneybun> the update tools are all weird
[13:37] <ahoneybun> and broken
[13:37] <ahoneybun> I just use termainl
[13:37] <ahoneybun> *terminal
[13:39] <ahoneybun> I confirmed the bug
[13:40] <lordievader> Wasn't Muon written in Python?
[13:41] <lordievader> If so, I could try my hand in bug fixing...
[13:41] <ahoneybun> go for it lordievader :)
[13:42] <clivejo> yofel: are you fixing kdepimlibs?
[13:43] <yofel> no
[13:43] <yofel> not right now
[13:44] <lordievader> Lets first update my Wily box.
[13:45] <yofel> lordievader: it's c++/QML
[13:45] <lordievader> Ah, then I'm out...
[13:58] <clivejo> yofel: can I try it ?
[13:58] <clivejo> will you push the patch for me?
[14:05] <yofel> clivejo: sure
[14:06] <clivejo> yofel: -- Installing: /«PKGBUILDDIR»/debian/tmp/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libKF5AkonadiNotes.so
[14:06] <clivejo> -- Removed runtime path from "/«PKGBUILDDIR»/debian/tmp/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libKF5AkonadiNotes.so.4.88.0"
[14:07] <clivejo> is that not-installed deleting them or upstream?
[16:23] <yofel> clivejo: you might want to read up on RPATH in libraries
[16:24] <yofel> it's distribution policy to not have them, and no file actually gets deleted here, just some information is stripped from the lib
[17:32] <clivejo> yofel: could you check the following patches and push them as required please http://paste.ubuntu.com/12079225/ http://paste.ubuntu.com/12079233/ for okteta and rebuild
[19:49] <clivejo> anyone get the full screen kickoff menu working in wily?
[20:17] <soee> clivejo: not me, i think with standard updates it is not available yet
[20:18] <clivejo> soee: you busy?
[20:18] <soee> kinda
[20:18] <clivejo> no prob
[22:41] <clivejo>  * Boost (required version >= 1.49) dep needed for akonadi-search
[22:42] <clivejo> probably libboost-dev?
[23:02] <clivejo> is there any way to force pbuilder to do an apt-get update from outside the container?
[23:07] <valorie> so is it safe to update/upgrade wily today?
[23:07] <valorie> can't tell from reading up
[23:07] <valorie> I want to upgrade this box to wily once things settle down a bit
[23:09] <clivejo> safe?
[23:10] <clivejo> its pretty stable at the moment
[23:10] <clivejo> but when new apps land, there might be problems
[23:11] <clivejo> especially with me messing about with symbols :/
[23:11] <valorie> seems good so far
[23:12] <valorie> soee reported that a bunch of packages were going to be uninstalled
[23:12] <clivejo> valorie: do you know anyone else who is online at the moment who can push patches?
[23:12] <valorie> but my list seems sane
[23:12] <valorie> did yofel go to bed?
[23:12] <valorie> he was about earlier
[23:12] <clivejo> hes busy
[23:12] <valorie> :(
[23:13] <valorie> I don't know of anyone else
[23:13] <valorie> sgclark is on vacation I think
[23:13] <clivejo> have a few patches and rebuilds I want to put through
[23:14] <clivejo> see if I can get a few more out of red
[23:14] <valorie> thank you for all your work, clivejo!
[23:15] <clivejo> no, thanks the devs for putting up with me
[23:15] <clivejo> and all my silly questions
[23:15] <valorie> that's how it works
[23:16] <valorie> we all started with "silly" questions
[23:16] <clivejo> should I use the note and put the url to patch beside it?
[23:16] <valorie> send it to the list, please
[23:16] <clivejo> list?
[23:16] <valorie> kubuntu-devel
[23:16] <clivejo> oh Im not on that
[23:17] <clivejo> maybe I should sort that out
[23:17] <valorie> !
[23:17] <valorie> yes indeed
[23:17] <valorie> you need to be there
[23:17] <valorie> irc is just too ephemeral
[23:17] <clivejo> I dont want to clog up my inbox
[23:17] <valorie> I hear you
[23:18] <valorie> but that's what filters and "delete" are for
[23:18] <clivejo> LOL plus aol is slow!
[23:18] <valorie> oh my, AOL
[23:18] <clivejo> dunno why I still use it
[23:18] <valorie> because you did genealogy
[23:18] <clivejo> well I do, its my oldest one
[23:18] <valorie> half my gen folks still do
[23:19] <clivejo> if all else fails thats the address to use
[23:19] <valorie> google is evil, but I use gmail
[23:20] <valorie> good spam filtering, and huge storage
[23:20] <clivejo> but spy on you!
[23:21] <clivejo> WTH does not-binnmuable-any-depends-all mean!
[23:22] <valorie> sure, I guess they do, but they'll die of boredom
[23:28] <clivejo> LOL
[23:31] <clivejo> valorie: how do I subsribe
[23:32] <soee> valorie: the problems was gone today
[23:32] <valorie> excellent
[23:33] <valorie> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel
[23:35] <soee> valorie: can yu report  this muon bug we talked yesterday ?
[23:35] <valorie> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/muon/+bug/1485212
[23:36] <valorie> I've not added my info yet there
[23:37] <valorie> trying to reply on my hubby's blog
[23:37] <valorie> giving up on FF again, and going back to chromium
[23:38] <soee> yup :) Chromium is much better
[23:38] <soee> didn't try latest Qupzilla though or Vivaldi
[23:39] <clivejo> soee: busy?!?
[23:39] <soee> clivejo: need some sleep soon :)
[23:39] <clivejo> could you push a few patches?
[23:40] <clivejo> kick off few rebuilds
[23:40] <soee> clivejo: i have no such power
[23:40] <clivejo> awwww :(
[23:40] <soee> you need Riddell or yofel probably
[23:41] <soee> clivejo: but i'm impressed how much you do lately :)
[23:42] <clivejo> LOL I’m eager to test KDEPIM
[23:46] <clivejo> soee: any clues as to what intra-source-package-circular-dependency means?
[23:51] <clivejo> W: akonadi-search source: intra-source-package-circular-dependency libkf5akonadisearch-plugins libkf5akonadisearchcore5 libkf5akonadisearchxapian5
[23:53] <clivejo> too tired to fix that, Ill just create the patch for what Ive done so far, its only a warning anyways
[23:56] <soee> clivejo: nope, i'm not yet familar with packaging
[23:57] <clivejo> no prob :)
[23:57] <clivejo> neither am I!
[23:59] <clivejo> Riddell shadeslayer : can someone please review and push this patch for akonadi-search - http://paste.ubuntu.com/12093125/
[23:59] <soee> google shows this https://lintian.debian.org/tags/intra-source-package-circular-dependency.html