[00:33] <daftykins> i reported in ops before things got too dumb
[00:33] <daftykins> :)
[00:33] <daftykins> yeah could be one of our fans!
[00:34] <pauljw> support is really weird tonight isn't it?
[00:39] <Bashing-om> Papa OerHeks said there would be days like this .
[00:39] <pauljw> :)
[00:46] <daftykins> but he never told me what to do ;_;
[00:52] <Bashing-om> daftykins: Oh dear, I bet you just were not listening ? ( dashing my mental image of daftykins -- crash )
[00:56] <daftykins> :D
[01:03] <wileee> please release me, put me in ignore ;)
[01:07] <daftykins> tgm4883: not sure why you're backing up clowns today
[01:08] <tgm4883> daftykins: I'm not?
[01:08] <tgm4883> daftykins: I suppose I'm kinda tired of people not being able to troubleshoot off script
[01:09] <daftykins> hmm?
[01:09] <Bashing-om> users ! Is this a friday, or is this a friday ?
[01:10] <daftykins> :D
[01:10] <tgm4883> daftykins: it just seems like (not you specifically) that #ubuntu has become a place where if someone asks a question about something that is a slightly non-standard way of doing something that we just give up and make them conform to our standards
[01:11] <daftykins> yeah but look what happened... user fucked up
[01:11] <daftykins> now he/she is withholding information too from being too butthurt over what i said
[01:11] <daftykins> and i might add, that's after telling two different tales about what happened :)
[01:11] <tgm4883> daftykins: probably yes, but hammering them with "why did you do that you don't need to do that" is not helpful. Asking them for the parted info is more helpful. Asking for the parted info first would have gotten us the info
[01:12] <tgm4883> daftykins: so while yes, you got to berate the user for doing it wrong, now we're in a standoff
[01:12] <daftykins> i think you're reading into it with too much emotion
[01:12] <daftykins> i asked why it was done the way it was done
[01:12] <wileee> their attitude was a stand off waiting till leaving or banned
[01:15] <tgm4883> daftykins: I'm pointing out that for 5 minutes of "troubleshooting" you could have asked for the parted info (or for the partitioner log), instead you just kept telling them they didn't need to partition first, despite that not being a reason the partitioner should fail
[01:15] <tgm4883> logs or parted output would prove what you suspected
[01:15] <tgm4883> in any case, someone should file a bug against partman if they can reproduce that
[01:16] <daftykins> we only got to the partition layout deduction once the user gave the real, second version of events
[01:16] <daftykins> so i don't greatly appreciate a judging in hindsight
[01:16] <daftykins> i'm sure all your support is perfect :)
[01:17] <shreyash> Hi, My name is Shreyash! I love Ubuntu and have been using it for a long time. I would like to contribute! Can anyone give me some guidance??
[01:17] <tgm4883> daftykins: second thing he said "guest24234> i set up a duel boot using gparted and its hanging when i choose something else" First thing he said was he was having an issue with the 15.04 installer
[01:18] <Bashing-om> shreyash: A place to start : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributeToUbuntu .
[01:18] <daftykins> right which ended up being a lie
[01:18] <tgm4883> through deduction, I figured out he was having an issue with the partitioner, which leads me to believe I should look at partman logs
[01:18] <tgm4883> daftykins: was that a lie? I didn't see that anywhere
[01:18] <tgm4883> shreyash: what do you know how to do?
[01:18] <daftykins> well yeah because then we're told it's installing
[01:19] <shreyash> Installer usually appears to hang during installation if there is is a lot of drive area/multiple drives involved. I don't really know the issue but I'm pretty good with the installer. I've done some hackintosh installation as well.
[01:20] <shreyash> I'm good at programming in c++, web development, a bit of java... Also I'm familiar with git
[01:21] <tgm4883> shreyash: I agree, a good place for you to start would be that wiki page
[01:21] <shreyash> Going through it right now :)
[01:21] <tgm4883> daftykins: did I back up any other clowns today?
[01:22] <daftykins> nope just that one :)
[01:22] <tgm4883> heh ok
[01:22] <daftykins> though hopefully second guessing doesn't become a regular thing
[01:23] <tgm4883> I didn't recall, I was backing up some developers on a mailing list the last few days
[01:25] <tgm4883> oh I wasn't second guessing you, I agree the user didn't need to partition first. I just flat outl think that was bad support. It's similar to if a user said, "I'm having trouble with qbittorrent" and all you said was "hey you dummy, use transmisssion instead".
[01:26] <tgm4883> I mean, sure, tell him once, but then get on with the troubleshooting
[01:26] <tgm4883> also, I really like bringing this discussion out into this channel. Gives us a chance to see both sides
[01:29] <daftykins> i think that's a poor comparison but i know what you're getting at
[01:29] <daftykins> i was really hoping the response was going to be "well i went that way because it didn't work when i..."
[01:29] <daftykins> but we didn't get that.
[01:30] <tgm4883> heh, yea usually we get a "I did this because I thought it would be amazballs!"
[01:31] <daftykins> i suspect that one will be back after 30+ minutes of trying to create a swap partition and wondering why it's refusing
[01:32] <tgm4883> daftykins: yea probably
[01:33] <tgm4883> daftykins: sorry you were the target there. It's more a reflection of where #ubuntu is going. It just seems to be that the only thing that gets support is "This is how we've always done it, so you must do it this way or get no support".
[01:34] <tgm4883> #ubuntu has been doing that increasingly the last few years anyway
[01:35] <daftykins> hrmm can't say i've noticed that myself
[01:36] <daftykins> though i don't pay too much attention to the issues i know nothing about :>
[01:40] <tgm4883> daftykins: meh, I just like figuring out how stuff works so I'm willing to dig in a bit
[01:40] <tgm4883> my favorite was when 12.04 came around with the switch to dnsmast and resolvconf
[01:41] <tgm4883> people couldn't access certain things and rather than troubleshoot the status quo for #ubuntu was "all you have to do is uninstall dnsmasq"
[01:41] <tgm4883> like that should be a valid final answer
[01:45] <daftykins> ;)
[01:45] <daftykins> first thing i do on my servers is purge resolvconf, reboot and hardcode my DNS + set static IP :D
[01:46] <tgm4883> resolvconf isn't bad. It just generates the resolv.conf file. It's dnsmasq that makes troubleshooting more difficult
[01:46] <tgm4883> although I fixed mine from earlier (well, figured out what the issue was)
[01:48] <tgm4883> configuring static addresses in /etc/network/interfaces with dns-nameservers puts the right addresses in there anyway
[01:48] <tgm4883> in /etc/resolv.conf that is
[01:48] <daftykins> i thought it appended once, which wasn't ideal
[01:50] <tgm4883> I believe it regenerates it any time there is a network connection change, but it's easy enough to force extra info in there (whether it's in the interfaces file or in the /etc/resolv.conf.d/ files)
[01:50] <tgm4883> we ran it on all our servers without issue
[02:41]  * ObrienDave gives up
[02:50] <daftykins> this one needs euthanising
[02:50] <ObrienDave> yup ;p
[02:53] <wileee> looks like the same troll honestly
[02:54] <daftykins> same as which nick?
[02:54] <wileee> the one banned earlier and has had nics starting with k
[02:55] <wileee> probably not slight difference, there are so many out there stopping by
[02:55] <ObrienDave> k80s ?
[02:55] <wileee> kidoro or something
[02:56] <wileee> up till today there were Koning
[02:56] <wileee> then changed to koning today
[03:09] <daftykins> well i guess my first victim with the ubuntu graphics driver PPA didn't work out
[03:10] <ObrienDave> that one on you? for shame ;P
[03:13] <daftykins> XD
[09:17] <lordievader> o/
[14:26]  * daftykins groans
[14:38] <pauljw> unreal...
[16:55] <Limberian> Guys, hello.
[16:56] <Limberian> Is there any browser plugin or anything that automatically deletes history every  hour?
[16:56] <cfhowlett> why ask here?  that's a support questoiin
[16:57] <Limberian> It seemed like a which browser is better discussion to me - but okay. :(
[18:46] <tgm4883> OerHeks: am I taking crazy pills here or is #ubuntu just crazy
[18:55] <daftykins> :D
[18:55] <daftykins> i think that's why some of us aren't quite so idealistic, we get worn down by the masses
[18:56] <OerHeks> or this makes you stronger
[18:59] <daftykins> just earlier i pushed someone in the direction of a solution in another help channel, only to be told i was ignored for my attitude when i suggested that their problematic firewall software may need reconfiguring if it is to work properly
[18:59] <daftykins> i swear there's what i type, then there's what people read :D
 tokam: hmm, ideally you'd want another disk to backup to first
 ok. let's assume I did this...
[19:33] <daftykins> sums it up really doesn't it :)
[19:35] <Bashing-om> Yeah, Best practice forward. Protect important data - or the data is not important .
[20:15] <daftykins> that kairo fellow looks like the same k* angry type from the last week
[20:18] <Bashing-om> I seem to think I have seen the nick before .
[20:18] <daftykins> angry Frenchman again
[20:19] <daftykins> or French person, i should say
[20:20] <Bashing-om> American expression : "looking a gift horse in the mouth"; Will not get one very far here !
[20:20] <daftykins> :D
[20:20] <daftykins> indeed
[20:22] <OerHeks> Bashing-om, just noticed in Debian a domain got banned beiing a honeypot. same one hops in/out in ubuntu with different names too
[20:23] <daftykins> o rly
[20:24] <OerHeks> or are they just joking, as reaction on the flood?
[20:26] <Bashing-om> OerHeks: K; We standby for heavy rolls .
[20:27] <OerHeks> "ban on *!*@ARennes-359-1-236-66.w2-2.abo.wanadoo.fr$##not-a-honeypot"
[20:36] <daftykins>  -!- kmuuc [~kmuuc@ARennes-359-1-250-47.w2-2.abo.wanadoo.fr]
[20:36] <daftykins> well well.
[20:37] <daftykins> and now Izotr
[20:37] <daftykins> clearly a trouble maker
[20:38] <OerHeks> and those fbx.proxad.net i do not trust either.
[20:38]  * OerHeks looks out of the window
[20:48] <daftykins> Called "Ubuntu AFter INstall" - as in UAFIN a laugh - </London accent>
[20:52] <tgm4883> daftykins: you should also be able to get the BIOS version from dmidecode
[20:52] <tgm4883> 'sudo dmidecode | grep -i BIOS -A 5
[20:52] <tgm4883> '
[20:53] <daftykins> tgm4883: yep, but of course the user couldn't boot so i figured why make them :)
[20:53] <daftykins> well, they could boot legacy but that's not what they're after
[20:53] <tgm4883> oh didn't read back that far :)
[20:53] <daftykins> :D
[21:10] <daftykins> warning, ablest is a nasty customer
[21:13] <OerHeks> i know, a debian guy
[21:13] <daftykins> oh :(
[21:14] <OerHeks> hang in debian too man, then you notice some funny movements.
[21:15] <daftykins> that could well be handy i guess
[21:34] <daftykins> hrmm, should changnesia not be seeing a mount point on the EFI partition in his/her image? http://i.imgur.com/Mxzjgzl.jpg
[21:35] <daftykins> or does it do that later..
[21:46] <wileee> I was curious to see how this plays out, heh you got them this far.
[21:53] <shabonix> Quick Question for anyone here at the moment...Currently not happy with windows 10 and all the tracking, etc that they are doing. Want to switch to ubuntu...I have two drives in my system. Boot Drive is an ssd with windows install and the other is a 500gb storage drive. Would moving files over to the storage drive, erasing boot drive, installing ubuntu, then mounting the storage drive into ubuntu be a good way of installing? 
[21:58] <wileee> shabonix, I would have an external back up no matter what. That is a UEFI install most likely, have you read the wiki?
[21:59] <shabonix> Partially, thats one of the main reasons I came to the irc.
[21:59] <wileee> this is not really a support channel as well
[21:59] <shabonix> Ok. Thanks for the info!
[21:59] <wileee> try #ubuntu