[08:32] <nlsthzn> Test from mx4 web app
[08:32] <nlsthzn> OK I guess :p
[08:32] <nlsthzn> bai
[08:47] <Kilos> morning all
[09:16] <Langjan> Oh my, not again! Hi Kilos 
[09:17] <Kilos> hahaha hi Langjan 
[09:17] <Kilos> whats happening
[09:17] <Langjan> Het jy lekker geslaap?
[09:17] <Kilos> ja dankie
[09:17] <Kilos> en jy?
[09:18] <Langjan> Mooi. Ek ook dankie. Nothing much, Asus support says they will get back to me. Meanwhile I see you mentionng that gremble may be able to help?
[09:19] <Kilos> he is clever so could figure out the flashrom tool in linux
[09:19] <Kilos> was too involved for me
[09:21] <Langjan> OK so perhaps when he comes online again? I tried to install K4Dirstat before the bios went dead but it kept freezing the machine after about 200 minutes - strange, it installed in mine in seconds.  
[09:21] <Langjan> 20 minutes
[09:21] <Kilos> find the cmos battery a take it out for an hour
[09:21] <Kilos> and the main battery
[09:22] <Langjan> I have tried to find the cmos battery, don't think that model has one
[09:23] <Kilos> they all must have otherwise bios will foget everytime main battery is removed
[09:24] <Langjan> Google says all laptops dont have cmos battery, they must have another source of power...
[09:24] <Kilos> oh my
[09:24] <Kilos> give me that model
[09:24] <Langjan> anyway, I could not figure out how to open that case
[09:24] <Kilos> asus something
[09:24] <Kilos> oh my
[09:24] <Langjan> X55A
[09:25] <Kilos> ya thats massive work
[09:26] <Kilos> look here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRjcZQ59SSY
[09:26] <Langjan> Unless they have some jumper arrangement but I could not find anything, there does not seem to be much to goole about that model
[09:28] <Kilos> Maaz  google Asus X551CA CMOS Battery Replacement
[09:28] <Maaz> Kilos: "Asus X551CA CMOS Battery Replacement - iFixit" https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Asus+X551CA+CMOS+Battery+Replacement/24938 :: "Asus X551CA Repair - iFixit" https://www.ifixit.com/Device/Asus_X551CA :: "Asus X551- HDD, RAM, Keyboard, Battery, CMOS Battery, Cooing ..." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsQFt9c6E0Q :: "ASUS X551M Laptop Battery Removal - YouTube"
[09:28] <Maaz> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWB35_tNJMI :: "Laptop screen replacement / How to replace la…
[09:28] <Kilos> hi gremble 
[09:28] <gremble> Hey Kilos 
[09:28] <Kilos> Langjan  https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Asus+X551CA+CMOS+Battery+Replacement/24938
[09:30] <Kilos> i have a horrible job trying to fix office 2010 in xp sigh
[09:30] <Kilos> so dont fight if im slow to answer
[09:32] <Langjan> Ok thks, but I dont know if I can get thro all that without breaking something else. Why hide a cmos battery like that? Its crazy. 
[09:32] <Kilos> lol
[09:33] <gremble> Because, generally you wouldn't replace it
[09:33] <gremble> Why are you trying to replace it?
[09:33] <Kilos> so you can take it to a pc shop and spread the wealth
[09:33] <Kilos> we want cmos to clear itself gremble 
[09:33] <Langjan> OK thks, hi gremble , is there a way out for me though? 
[09:34] <Langjan> No, Kilos  thinks it will solve my issue if I let the cmos die so bios will reset
[09:34] <nlsthzn> *yawn*
[09:34] <nlsthzn> sup all?
[09:34] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn 
[09:35] <gremble> I don't know what you're trying to do Langjan. And hello :)
[09:35] <Langjan> hi nlsthzn 
[09:35] <Kilos> hows you and family lad
[09:35] <gremble> Hey nlsthzn. Haven't seen you in forever
[09:35] <gremble> :P
[09:35] <nlsthzn> still all good thanks
[09:35] <nlsthzn> got a few days of so now I babysit :p
[09:36] <Kilos> lol
[09:37] <Langjan> Kilos, if my problem started when I reset the bios, will it not just reset again and back to square 1 if I disconnect cmos?
[09:38] <Kilos> it goes back to factory settings normally
[09:38] <Kilos> sometimes that restore default lies
[09:39] <Kilos> as in how can there be no c drive to use
[09:39] <Kilos> and not even let you choose boot priority to dvd
[09:39] <Langjan> It will break my heart (if not anything else) if I go thro all that and it does not work...
[09:39] <Kilos> oh my
[09:40] <Kilos> maybe wait for asus to reply first then
[09:40] <nlsthzn> what is the main problem?
[09:40] <Kilos> cant choose what to boot from and now only boots as far as bios
[09:41] <Kilos> like it doesnt accept c: as the drive even
[09:41] <nlsthzn> what happened before this started?
[09:42] <Kilos> ubuntyu cd couldnt see windows installed there
[09:42] <nlsthzn> so windows was installed initially on the system
[09:43] <Kilos> then defaults in bios killed  the bios from being able to set stuff
[09:43] <Kilos> yes
[09:43] <Kilos> and working too
[09:43] <Langjan> it had win 8, then downgraded to 7
[09:43] <Kilos> granny  wanted ubuntu alongside
[09:44] <nlsthzn> ok so bios was reset to defaults yes?
[09:44] <Langjan> correct
[09:44] <nlsthzn> any of the defaults changed after that|
[09:44] <nlsthzn> ?
[09:45] <Langjan> I tried many options to try to get out 
[09:45] <nlsthzn> out of the bios?
[09:46] <Langjan> to try to get it to boot, yes
[09:46] <nlsthzn> ah ok
[09:46] <nlsthzn> does the hard drive show in bios?
[09:47] <Langjan> yes but not in boot, only in advenced
[09:48] <nlsthzn> make model of pc so I can try and find bios info / screen shots of it ?
[09:48] <Langjan> Asus X55A
[09:48] <nlsthzn> thx
[09:53] <nlsthzn> eufi enabled or disabled under boot?
[09:54] <nlsthzn> Langjan, ^^
[09:54] <Langjan> yes nlsthzn 
[09:54] <nlsthzn> also, did you try the option that says "add new boot option"?
[09:54] <nlsthzn> yes, enabled or disabled or did you try both?
[09:55] <Langjan> let me check
[09:55] <nlsthzn> on a laptop typically restore to defaults should work perfectly and everything in BIOS should be optimal for the lappy
[09:55] <Langjan> where is eufi?
[09:56] <nlsthzn> under boot in bios, first option in the screen shots I have
[09:56] <nlsthzn> then again the bios might differ
[09:56] <nlsthzn> :/
[09:56] <Langjan> nothing there about eufi
[09:56] <nlsthzn> I am looking at manual http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/nb/X55A/E_eManual_X55A_VER7748.pdf
[09:56] <nlsthzn> section A4
[09:59] <Langjan> there is noeufi, only fast boot enabled and launch csm ddisabled
[10:03] <Langjan> There is also no add new boot option
[10:10] <Langjan> nlsthzn,  do you think I should try to remove cmos battery? 
[10:13] <nlsthzn> Langjan, can't say
[10:13] <nlsthzn> shouldn't be needed imo
[10:14] <nlsthzn> sorry baby being difficult
[10:14] <nlsthzn> will be back later
[10:14] <Langjan> sorry to bother
[10:14] <Langjan> fine, thks
[10:30] <nlsthzn> Langjan, did you try and install ubuntu or not yet?
[10:34] <Langjan> Hi nlsthzn , I tried but it did not see win7 and I did not want to delete it so started to see why, which ended with bios reset
[10:35] <Langjan> Baby ok? 
[10:36] <Langjan> I have downloaded bios file from Asus, should I not just use Easy Flash?
[10:44] <Langjan> you there Kilos ?
[10:44] <Kilos> yessir
[10:44] <Kilos> if the easy flash sees the file then i would do it
[10:45] <Langjan> do you think so, you were so nervous about it that you have contaminated me
[10:45] <Kilos> lol normally built in tools like that work ok
[10:45] <Langjan> ok let me try, the manual seems to imply its straightforwrd
[10:46] <Kilos> good
[10:51] <Langjan> does not seem to see the right file
[10:51] <Kilos> eish
[10:52] <Kilos> i had one pc here that upgraded bios online
[10:52] <nlsthzn> baby sleeping (for now)...
[10:52] <Langjan> good
[10:52] <nlsthzn> so it seems there is a bios reason for not wanting to boot
[10:53] <nlsthzn> not a botched installation or anything
[10:53] <Kilos> yes
[10:53] <Langjan> correct
[10:55] <Langjan> I have downloaded the flash bios file, but flash utility does not seem to see it, it only says "program files" so I am nervous to "enter" 
[10:55] <nlsthzn> but the hdd not showing under the boot options menu in bios?
[10:55] <Kilos> http://drivers.softpedia.com/get/Other-DRIVERS-TOOLS/Asus/ASUS-X55C-BIOS-Flash-Utility-2410-for-Windows-7-x64.shtml
[10:55] <Langjan> no
[10:56] <Langjan> Kilos,  thats the 64 bit versin, is it ok?
[10:56] <nlsthzn> and you have used F9 and then F10?
[10:56] <Kilos> no
[10:56] <Kilos> ai!
[10:56] <Langjan> yes
[10:57] <nlsthzn> don't use a flash utility for windows... it seems this bios has built in flash utility
[10:57] <nlsthzn> just need the right firmware to use easy flash
[10:57] <Langjan> f9, then f10 the same way?
[10:57] <nlsthzn> in advanced in bios there should be option for Easy Flash
[10:58] <nlsthzn> but again this shouldn't be needed.
[10:58] <nlsthzn> there is most probably just one setting wrong somewhere and it is causing this headache
[10:58] <nlsthzn> but the manual I have is not the same as the bios on the laptop for somereason
[10:58] <nlsthzn> which makes it difficult
[10:59] <Langjan> reset deleted most of the options that we need
[10:59] <Langjan> yes I do have the flash option in advanced
[11:00] <nlsthzn> reset won't change the option that are available
[11:00] <nlsthzn> it simply puts the options to pre-configured settings
[11:00] <Langjan> no, I have tried that
[11:00] <Langjan> correct
[11:01] <nlsthzn> well if you want to you can find the correct and latest firmware from the asus website and try and flash iy
[11:01] <nlsthzn> *it
[11:01] <nlsthzn> but must make sure it is the correct version or it could brick the laptop
[11:02] <nlsthzn> and even then it won't magically set the correct parameters to make the hard drive available to boot from
[11:02] <Langjan> By firmware you mean bios file? 
[11:02] <nlsthzn> yes
[11:02] <Langjan> there are 7 versions, which to select
[11:02] <nlsthzn> link please
[11:02] <Langjan> just a sec pse
[11:07] <Langjan> Sorry for delay, http://www.asus.com/support/Download/3/117/0/5/NUYyeZFtCN8qAIo4/29/  and I downloaded the first one
[11:10] <Langjan> version 417
[11:10] <Kilos> ty for helping nlsthzn 
[11:10] <Langjan> and you Kilos 
[11:11] <Kilos> nono he knows much more
[11:11] <Langjan> Kilos,  its a zip file, do I have to do something to it before trying to use it? 
[11:12] <Langjan> unzip?
[11:12] <Kilos> unzip and leave them both there
[11:13] <Kilos> the zip and the unzip
[11:13] <Kilos> by rights it should see the zip file but who knows
[11:14] <Langjan> Unzipped its 6MB, from 2,5
[11:16] <Kilos> leave both on stick
[11:17] <Kilos> it will hopefully find wwhat it wants
[11:17] <Langjan> now it sees it
[11:17] <Kilos> yay
[11:17] <Langjan> just need nlsthzn to confirm whether ist the right version
[11:19] <Langjan> or you
[11:19] <Kilos> all i can say is if it sees it must be the right one
[11:19] <Kilos> bios is very fussy
[11:21] <Langjan> there are 9 versions, this one is "improve memory margin" but nlsthzn  indicated it could brick the lappie if its not right
[11:22] <Kilos> lets hear what he says
[11:22] <Langjan> its X55AAS417
[11:23] <Langjan> has it warmed up by you?
[11:24] <Kilos> yes a lot better ty
[11:24] <Kilos> we at 7°c at night now
[11:24] <Langjan> good, was 15 this morn sunrise
[11:24] <Langjan> ok 7 is better than 0
[11:24] <Kilos> just hope no more cold fronts coming
[11:24] <nlsthzn> 417 is the latest version
[11:25] <Langjan> ok thks nlsthzn  should I go for it? 
[11:25] <nlsthzn> but are we sure it is the right one for this model laptop?
[11:26] <nlsthzn> X55A so it seems to be the right one
[11:26] <Langjan> well I searched win 7 32 bit and X55A, dont know if there are others among the 9 found that are more corrrect? 
[11:27] <Langjan> they seem to be for different specific aspects or needs
[11:27] <nlsthzn> no that is just what was added on this specific one
[11:27] <nlsthzn> all the other fixes are also in the last one
[11:28] <Langjan> ok so do I have the go-ahead? 
[11:29]  * nlsthzn takes no responsibility for this
[11:30] <Langjan> ok, but I see the old bios was version 417
[11:30] <nlsthzn> and I still can't say it will fix anythign
[11:30] <nlsthzn> ah then you are already on the latest
[11:30] <nlsthzn> so much easier having the machine infront of me :/
[11:31] <Langjan> yes, just a coorrupted latest, so it seems 
[11:31] <Kilos> try it
[11:31] <Kilos> you killing me here
[11:31] <Kilos> hehe
[11:31] <Langjan> lmga
[11:31] <Langjan> suspense
[11:31] <Langjan> prayer is best
[11:31] <Kilos> the flashrom guys rewrite bios manually
[11:32] <Langjan> but how do you rewrite into a dead system?
[11:32] <Kilos> they unbrick many
[11:32] <Kilos> i have no idea how
[11:33] <Langjan> It says build date is too old
[11:33] <Langjan> kihcuisyg
[11:33] <Kilos> ai!
[11:34] <Kilos> i mailed you the last flashrom mail i got
[11:34] <Langjan> So Asus says latest version, asus says too old
[11:34] <Kilos> they have a channel at #flashrom
[11:35] <Langjan> thks received but what do I do with it? 
[11:37] <Kilos> thats just to see who they are and what they do
[11:37] <Kilos> other mails have all the heavy stuff in
[11:37] <Langjan> ok thks
[11:38] <Langjan> so wait for asus support I suppose
[11:38] <Kilos> sigh
[11:38] <Kilos> looks like
[11:39] <spinza> what is wrong with the asus?
[11:39] <Langjan> wifey callas for lunch, baie dankie Kilos  en nlsthzn ons gesels weer, will keep you  in the loop
[11:40] <Langjan> bios set to default deleted all boot options 
[11:40] <Langjan> spinza, 
[11:41] <Kilos> anytime
[11:41] <Langjan> sorry I have to go for a while, let me know if you have any suggestions
[11:41] <Kilos> np
[11:41] <spinza> looks like bios update
[11:41]  * spinza is running ubuntu/wind10 dual on asus
[11:42] <Kilos> spinza  his one didnt see win from the ubuntu cd
[11:42] <Kilos> showed whole drive as unallocated
[11:43] <spinza> ok my asus has a wierd little os on it also.  fastboot or something also
[11:44] <Kilos> ya he has looked there too, tried disabling 
[11:44] <Kilos> no change
[11:44] <Kilos> bios reset messed up everything
[11:45] <spinza> oh my, i installed ubuntu a while back but haven't had any issues on the asus
[11:45] <Kilos> maybe see if you can give him some ideas when he gets back please
[11:45] <spinza> but my asus is also older 
[11:46] <spinza> https://www.asus.com/Notebooks/UL20FT/
[11:46] <spinza> this looks like his: https://www.asus.com/Notebooks/X55A/
[11:47] <Kilos> i have no idea why bios reset messed up everything
[11:47] <Kilos> maybe a bug in it
[11:49] <spinza> they have bios update utility also
[11:51] <Kilos> thats where we are battling
[11:51] <Kilos> says the latest update is too old
[11:53] <spinza> oh...
[11:53] <spinza> that's strange
[11:54] <Kilos> thats why i think there is a bug in the bios
[11:54] <Kilos> and flashing is the only cure
[11:55] <spinza> does he have a windows partition
[11:55] <spinza> i think you flash by putting the file in the root on windows
[11:55] <spinza> or on usb
[11:59] <Langjan> hi spinza , I cannot boot soo have nowhere to go except bios
[11:59] <Langjan> ans start easy flash option
[12:00] <Langjan> and
[12:04] <Kilos> Langjan  pull the batteries
[12:04] <Kilos> carefully
[12:05] <Kilos> lets hope it goes back past the corrution
[12:05] <Langjan> you mean the cmos?
[12:05] <Kilos> ya
[12:05] <Kilos> and main and charger
[12:06] <Langjan> OK will do that if asus support does not have a better idea
[12:06] <Langjan> yes, main and charger are automatic
[12:07] <Kilos> frustrating to sukkel like that
[12:07] <Langjan> Very
[12:07] <Kilos> them support peeps will only answer on monday
[12:07] <Langjan> I think it was messed up by the dealer who changed it from win 8 to 7
[12:08] <Kilos> maybe
[12:08] <Langjan> they messed up many other things also
[12:08] <Kilos> you can get virus in bios as well
[12:08] <Langjan> ok I suppose thats possible
[12:08] <Kilos> did you ask in #flashrom
[12:08] <Langjan> more likely the dealer
[12:09] <Langjan> no whats that?
[12:09] <Kilos> its a channel on irc where linux peeps sort bios probs
[12:09] <Langjan> the tech guys?
[12:10] <Kilos> flashrom is a package in ubuntu
[12:10] <Langjan> hi-tech?
[12:10] <Kilos> very
[12:10] <Langjan> eina
[12:10] <Kilos> when i went there i said im not a tech but need to fix a pc
[12:10] <Langjan> how do I get there, via the link?
[12:11] <Kilos> and one guy helped me like helping a noob
[12:11] <Kilos>   /j #flashrom
[12:11] <Langjan> ok im there
[12:11] <Kilos> no spaces first
[12:11] <Kilos> but they all over the world
[12:12] <Kilos> so you have to wait for someone to wake up lol
[12:12] <Kilos> just say what youve tried and whats happening there now
[12:12] <Langjan> I see you there also
[12:13] <Kilos> bad sick bios
[12:13] <Kilos> yes i went now now too
[12:14] <Langjan> siesta time
[12:14] <Kilos> lol
[12:14] <Kilos> explain what it isnt doing
[12:15] <Kilos> and what the flash thing says with what version flash filke
[12:15] <Langjan> Ok, will never set bios default again
[12:15] <Kilos> so when someone arrives they dont have to then only start asking questions
[12:15] <Kilos> lol
[12:16] <Kilos> its normally safe
[12:20] <Kilos> last i was on that channel there were only 30 peeps so its growing
[12:20] <Kilos> i go lie down for a while
[12:24] <Langjan> ok me also
[12:26]  * Symmetria sighs
[12:26] <Symmetria> my box with the longest uptime goes down in less than 24 hours
[12:26] <Symmetria> and will never come back again
[12:26] <Symmetria> (lol, I think even if they TRIED to boot it, once its turned off, I seriously doubt it will ever start up again)
[12:31] <gremble> Why is it going off and why won't it come back on?
[12:31] <Symmetria> heh gremble the host is shutting down that rack
[12:31] <Symmetria> and it wont come back because its been on so long that hardware typically doesnt come back once it cools down after that
[12:31] <Symmetria> lol, it will be dry jointed as hell
[12:32] <Symmetria> aalston@irc ~ $ uptime
[12:32] <Symmetria>  2:22PM  up 2543 days,  4:41, 3 users, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
[12:32] <Symmetria> :P its been up just under 7 years
[12:32] <gremble> That is quite the uptime
[12:33] <gremble> It has practically no load average though. Is that because it was dead, but spinning?
[12:41] <Symmetria> gremble heh no thats because irc servers dont need much cpu power or anything else
[12:41] <gremble> AH
[12:41] <Symmetria> aalston@irc ~ $ netstat -na |grep -c ESTABLISHED
[12:41] <Symmetria> 571
[12:41] <Symmetria> heh box is very much alive and working
[12:42] <gremble> If I could make another me, I will use that technology to make many of me and do EE and SysAdmin too. Such interesting fields
[12:45] <Symmetria> back in a while
[12:57] <spinza> Langjan, what about loading a usb stick with the rom flash?
[14:15] <Langjan> Hi spinza , ok what rom flash are you referring to? 
[14:19] <Langjan> If you mean the bios file from Asus, I did that. The reply was that the file build date was too old - it was the latest file from Asus, the same one that the machine came with, version 417
[14:20] <spinza> what does it do when you turn it on?
[14:21] <Langjan> You mean the laptop?
[14:21] <spinza> yes
[14:21] <Langjan> It opens up on bios
[14:21] <Langjan> Aptio setup utility 
[14:23] <spinza> secure boot issues?
[14:25] <Langjan> don't really know what that means, but the machine has no boot options, therefore it cannot boot, not even on live CD
[14:25] <spinza> have you disabled secure boot in bios?
[14:26] <Langjan> there is no such option
[14:26] <spinza> ok that's all i've head of. 
[14:27] <spinza> this might be relevant: http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2005969/asus-x55a-boots-bios.html
[14:27] <Langjan> OK you made me have a look, there is now an add boot option 
[14:29] <Langjan> Thks, I have been to that site, not sure if its the same problem, hope not. 
[14:30] <Langjan> But something has happened here, I now have an add boot option open...
[14:32] <spinza> lol yay
[14:34] <Langjan> it gives me, in "select file system" [PCI(14 0) \USB (2,0) \...] 
[14:37] <Langjan> Or add boot option window to type into
[14:38] <Langjan> Kilos, or spinza you there?
[14:57] <Langjan> Kilos, spinza, something must have happened when I ran the flash setup, I now have add boot options and others, eg. secure boot options etc 
[14:57] <Langjan> Just help me from here please, so I dont break something again
[15:04] <gremble> From here, I think, you want to either select your boot devices (if you are able to) or add devices to your boot options otherwise.
[15:04] <gremble> Langjan: ^^
[15:05] <Langjan> hi gremble 
[15:05] <gremble> Hello Langjan :)
[15:05] <Langjan> do I begin in security or boot?
[15:06] <gremble> Boot. You want to select a boot option (Your HDD most probably)
[15:06] <Langjan> Seems I must add boot devices
[15:07] <Langjan> ok in boot I have fast boot enabled, launch csm disabled
[15:07] <Langjan> then boot option priorities
[15:07] <gremble> Alright. Do you have any boot devices?
[15:08] <Langjan> no, only boot option #1 then add new boot option
[15:09] <Langjan> specify name a to z characters
[15:10] <Langjan> you mean boot devices in advanced? 
[15:10] <gremble> Sec. Reading the manual
[15:10] <Langjan> there is hard disc
[15:10] <gremble> Ah
[15:10] <gremble> yes
[15:11] <gremble> Try that
[15:11] <Langjan> what to do?
[15:11] <Langjan> type hard disk in new device?
[15:12] <gremble> No, it should have a hardware probe and know the name or UUID of the harddrive
[15:13] <Langjan> theres a small blue window with typing prompt that says "Add booot option"
[15:13] <gremble> Hmm alright. 
[15:14] <gremble> You have the X55A, right? Not the X55U?
[15:14] <Langjan> yes
[15:14] <Langjan> X55A
[15:15] <gremble> Ok, I have the UEFI screen infront of me. Let me have a quick read
[15:15] <Langjan> thks
[15:16] <gremble> On the boot menu, you should have a heading: Boot Configuration. Underneath that there is Fast Boot [Enabled] and Launch CSM [Disabled] then Heading: Driver Option Priorities then Heading: Boot Option Priorities then Add New Boot Option, Delete New Boot Option. Correct?
[15:17] <Langjan> yes
[15:18] <gremble> Ok, now you should disable fast boot and secure boot, and enable CSM. Then you save and exit and enter the bios again (if you have not done so already). If you move the cursor over one of the Boot Option links (the blue ones under the heading) and press enter, a pop-up should appear with Options to choose from. Tell me if your HDD is on that list then
[15:19] <Langjan> ok
[15:21] <Langjan> it disables csm when it opens again, will try once more
[15:21] <Kilos> sorry Langjan 
[15:21] <Langjan> and pxe oprom? is disabled
[15:21] <Kilos> was fetching sheep and pumping water
[15:22] <Kilos> lemme read log
[15:22] <Langjan> gremble, it keeps on disabling csm
[15:23] <Langjan> and with fast boot disabled, it seems to have lost the "add boot device" option
[15:24] <Kilos> ai!
[15:25] <gremble> So now you have Heading: Boot Configuration with Launch CSM [Disabled] and underneat that, indented, Launch PXE OpROM [Disabled] Heading: Driver Option Priorities Heading: Boot Option Priorities: Boot Option #1 [SOME-BOOT-OPTION] and then three links CD/DVD ROM Drive BBS Priorities, Network Device BBS Priorities, Delete Boot Option?
[15:25] <Langjan> Kilos,  the flash must have activated something, I now have some options 
[15:25] <gremble> Right?
[15:25] <Kilos> im sure old bios was corrupt
[15:25] <Langjan> no gremble 
[15:26] <gremble> So it does not change the way your Boot menu looks after enabling CSM and pressing F10
[15:26] <gremble> ?
[15:26] <Langjan> I have boot config, fast boot disabled, launch csm disabled, driver option priorities, boot option prioroties, delete boot option 
[15:26] <Kilos> what is csm
[15:27] <gremble> Uefi compatibility support module
[15:27] <Kilos> ok ty
[15:27] <gremble> It is similar to Legacy BIOS mode
[15:27] <Langjan> it disables csm when I restart
[15:27] <Kilos> ok
[15:28] <gremble> Even though you save and exit? Ie, restarting by pressing F10?
[15:28] <Kilos> can you see thdvdrom
[15:28] <Langjan> yes
[15:28] <Langjan> t gremble 
[15:28] <Langjan> noo to Kilos 
[15:28] <Kilos> oh my
[15:28] <gremble> ALright, what is the boot right of Boot Option #1 in Boot Option Priorities?
[15:28] <Kilos> put the ubuntu cd in and see if it sees it then
[15:29] <Langjan> difficult with two sets of q
[15:29] <Kilos> sorry gremble go on
[15:29] <gremble> It should be something like [Windows Boot Manager] if everything is fine
[15:29] <Langjan> there are no boot option priorities with fast boot disabled
[15:30] <gremble> So both fast boot and CSM is disabled?
[15:30] <Langjan> only the heading
[15:30] <Langjan> yes
[15:31] <Langjan> Kilos, ubuntuu cd is in, does not see it
[15:31] <Kilos> oi
[15:32] <gremble> Langjan. In your Security menu, is Secure Boot Control enabled?
[15:33] <Langjan> yes
[15:34] <gremble> Disable it (I just want to see if we can stop the recurring disabling of CSM, I am not sure why that is happening)
[15:34] <Langjan> ok
[15:34] <gremble> The idea is to get into a legacy mode, so that we can try and recover the boot settings
[15:34] <Langjan> done and checked
[15:35] <squish102> what is the best torrent app to install without having a gui, but need a web interface
[15:36] <gremble> Ok, go and enable CSM again after which you Press f10. After it shut down, (the internet suggests) a hard shutdown, so you don't let it restart. You press and hold the power button until it stops
[15:36] <Langjan> secure boot disabled
[15:37] <gremble> After it has powered down completely, turn it back on and press F9 and hopefully the recovery menu appears
[15:38] <Langjan> it says "load optimized defaults?" 
[15:38] <gremble> I'm reading from www.tomsguide.com/answers/id-1854127/solve-problem-aptio-setup-utility.html
[15:38] <gremble> Yes, try that
[15:38] <gremble> See what happens
[15:41] <Langjan> it has enabled fast boot and disabled csm
[15:42] <Langjan> and has lost the add noot device option
[15:42] <Langjan> boot device
[15:43] <Langjan> secure boot control has also been enabled again
[15:44] <Langjan> try again?
[15:45] <gremble> This is really strange
[15:46] <gremble> This sounds like you may have to take it to a tech
[15:46] <Langjan> i have win boot manager
[15:47] <Langjan> yay
[15:47] <gremble> Alright. Now see if it boots with it
[15:48] <Langjan> it says choose an operating systemlaunch starup repair? recommended
[15:48] <gremble> Do that
[15:48] <gremble> The recommended one
[15:48] <Langjan> loading files
[15:49] <Langjan> success!
[15:49] <Langjan> repair is checking, attempting repairs 
[15:52] <gremble> This is the kind of thing that annoys me about computers. Spent like a day to repair a simple thing such as this in order for your computer to not be an oversized paperweight, simply because the current BIOS/UEFI environment went to complete and utter shit
[15:53] <Langjan> lo
[15:53] <Langjan> l
[15:53] <Langjan> and can they be time-consuming
[15:54] <gremble> Almost makes all the more sense to get a chromebook with a terminal to just SSH into a VPS somewhere, where someone else worries about the hardware
[15:54] <Langjan> ive been at it 2 days
[15:54] <gremble> Is it booting up now?
[15:54] <gremble> Or still checking?
[15:54] <Kilos> this one was really bad
[15:54] <Langjan> its still attempting repairs
[15:54] <gremble> Alright.
[15:57] <Langjan> still running, I will report as soon as something happens, many thks thus far gremble  and Kilos  and the others
[15:57] <Kilos> good luck oom
[15:57] <gremble> Alright. I'll probably be around most of the evening. 
[15:57] <Langjan> thks sonny
[15:57] <Kilos> hehe
[15:57] <Langjan> thks gremble 
[15:57] <gremble> np Langjan 
[15:58] <Kilos> shame gremble this lappy is for an old granny to use ubuntu on and still have her 7
[15:58] <Kilos> 82 i think
[15:58] <Langjan> 88
[15:58] <Kilos> sjoe
[15:59] <gremble> My grandfather is 85. Luckily I don't have to show him how a computer works
[15:59] <gremble> :P
[16:00] <Langjan> she battled to connect with her vodacom dongle, then I put it in my 14.05 lappie, picked it up and connected in seconds, then reinstalled in win 7, took about 300 mins to do installation.
[16:00] <gremble> Even though he is brilliant with Chess and Mathematics, technology is not his strong suit
[16:00] <Kilos> whew
[16:01] <Langjan> well youre fortunate to just still have him around
[16:01] <gremble> Ubuntu plays very nice with the dongles. It is because network manager has excellent ppp support
[16:01] <Kilos> yeah
[16:01] <gremble> I am 
[16:01] <gremble> Closest thing that I have to a father :P
[16:01] <Langjan> great, and he is happy to be with you I am sure
[16:01] <Langjan> Have you lost your dad?
[16:02] <gremble> Yup. Passed away when I as 12
[16:02] <gremble> 20 June 2003
[16:02] <Kilos> aw
[16:02] <Kilos> thats sad
[16:02] <Langjan> so sorry, liife is hard
[16:03] <gremble> Life only gets hard when the bathroom tap decides to break at 23:00 and I am the only one that can fix it
[16:03] <gremble> ;'D
[16:03] <Kilos> hahaha
[16:03] <Langjan> It has restarted in startup repair, was unable to start normallly
[16:04] <Kilos> asi!
[16:04] <Langjan> going thro the same proces again
[16:04] <gremble> Mmm
[16:04] <Kilos> ai!
[16:04] <Langjan> Kilos,  the cd was in, I took it out for now
[16:04] <squish102> what is the best torrent app to install without having a gui, but need a web interface?
[16:04] <Kilos> ok
[16:05] <gremble> squish102: If I recall correctly, rtorrent is quite nice
[16:05] <gremble> But I think transmission also has a gui-free interface
[16:05] <squish102> i had rtorrent/rutorrent setup, but quite a mission to get working
[16:05] <gremble> It is 
[16:06] <Langjan> I have a repir log
[16:06] <gremble> What is a web interface though?
[16:06] <Langjan> repair
[16:06] <gremble> Does it say where it went wrong, Langjan ?
[16:06] <squish102> need to remotely upload .torrents and control it
[16:06] <gremble> Then I suspect rtorrent would be your best bet
[16:07] <gremble> From what I recall, this is the application for which it was made
[16:07] <gremble> I don't have much experience torrenting though
[16:07] <Langjan> root cause unspecified changes to system configuration
[16:08] <gremble> It is a good thing that microsoft is not vague about their error reports
[16:11] <Langjan> I must chose a recovery tool from startup repair, system restore, system image recovery, win memory diagnostic and command prompt
[16:11] <Langjan> then restart, which do I choose?
[16:12] <Langjan> option 1 is probably exhausted
[16:13] <gremble> System restore will require that you have a recent restore point, and is your best bet of you do. System image recovery will require you have a image to recover from the last two won't mean much, since I don't think that it is a memory issue and I don't know if anyone present is advanced enough to guide your through a manual recovery using the command prompt
[16:13] <Kilos> sjoe
[16:13] <gremble> I don't know whether it would help, but my next step would be to use a win7 cd to try and recover from that
[16:14] <gremble> if not, reinstall and start from scratch
[16:14] <Langjan> I deleted some system restore point that flled the hard drive a few days ago, eish
[16:14] <Kilos> are we still in bios
[16:14] <gremble> No Kilos, we are in the windows boot manager
[16:14] <Kilos> oh
[16:14] <Langjan> not in bios any more
[16:14] <Kilos> i go eat
[16:14] <gremble> So there are no more restore points Langjan?
[16:14] <Kilos> wbb
[16:15] <Langjan> shal I try reboot on ubuntu?
[16:15] <Langjan> dont think so
[16:15] <gremble> Unless you want to scratch the windows partition, I don't think that will help
[16:16] <gremble> Since it sounds like there is something iffy with your boot parition
[16:16] <Langjan> so try restore and hope for the best, may be theres a new automatically generated restore
[16:16] <gremble> Try it and see
[16:16] <Langjan> ?
[16:17] <Langjan> no restore points
[16:17] <gremble> win7 cd I think
[16:17] <Langjan> Will ry to find one
[16:41] <Kilos> ai!
[16:45] <Kilos> thanks for the help gremble 
[16:45] <Kilos> thats an evil lappy that
[16:49] <inetpro> good evening
[16:50] <Kilos> hi inetpro kul
[16:50] <Kilos> ai!
[16:51] <Langjan> back again Kilos 
[16:51] <Kilos> wb Langjan 
[16:52] <Kilos> whats happening
[16:52] <Langjan> I think we have made progress
[16:52] <Kilos> yay
[16:52] <Langjan> bios now gives boot optins
[16:52] <Kilos> you got a 7 dvd
[16:52] <Langjan> no
[16:52] <Kilos> oh ya i was watching
[16:52] <inetpro> wow! 
[16:53] <inetpro> gremble: thanks for helping oom Langjan
[16:53] <Kilos> bad stuff wrong in the bios
[16:53] <Langjan> but it looks like a boot problem  - perhaps a bios setting?
[16:53] <Langjan> yes, many thks gremble 
[16:53] <Kilos> i would try get a 7 cd and set it to boot from dvd
[16:54] <Kilos> 7 has some recovery options from dvd
[16:54] <inetpro> surely win7 does not control the bios boot options?
[16:54] <Langjan> ok O dont seem able to change priority which is set for hard drive then dvd
[16:54] <Kilos> nope i think it was a bug in bios inetpro 
[16:55] <Kilos> normally resting bios to defaults doesnt give probs after
[16:55] <Kilos> reseting
[16:56] <Kilos> Langjan  
[16:56] <Kilos> have you goit an xp cd
[16:56] <Kilos> got
[16:56] <Langjan> yes
[16:57] <Kilos> you can normally use that to fixmbr and fixboot
[16:57] <inetpro> well it looks like the OS was also broken by deleting critical files 
[16:57] <Kilos> but to get lappy to boot from cd has to be set frist
[16:58] <Langjan> ok I have changed boot priority to cd first
[16:58] <Kilos> ya die ou mense maak skoon as hulle spasie nodig het
[16:58] <Kilos> good
[16:59] <Kilos> then we go though it step by step
[16:59] <Langjan> so you think I must boot from xp? What about boot repair from ubuntu?
[16:59] <inetpro> lol
[16:59] <inetpro> Kilos: no 
[16:59] <Kilos> inetpro  no what
[16:59] <inetpro> it's not a mbr issue
[16:59] <Langjan> ok so do I boot from xp?
[17:00] <Kilos> yes man he doesnt need to fixmbr as well
[17:00] <Kilos> but fixboot might
[17:00] <inetpro> Langjan: why do you want to go back to XP?
[17:00] <Kilos> to fix the 7 boot sector
[17:00] <Langjan> no, Kilos  asked if I have xp cd
[17:00] <Kilos> hed doesnt have a 7 dvd
[17:00] <inetpro> won't help
[17:01] <Kilos> oh my
[17:01] <inetpro> it is not a boot sector issue
[17:01] <Kilos> then ubuntu and bootrepair is the only way till he gets a 7 dvd
[17:01] <Kilos> oh
[17:01] <Kilos> ok you help the poor man
[17:02] <inetpro> yes you'll have to repair win 7 with a win 7 cd
[17:02] <inetpro> or dvd
[17:02] <inetpro> Langjan: did you do the shrinking of the drive?
[17:03] <Langjan> not that I know of, did I Kilos ? 
[17:03] <Kilos> nope
[17:03] <inetpro> hmm...
[17:03] <Kilos> didnt get that far
[17:04] <gremble> Laptop still not booting properly Langjan?
[17:04] <Langjan> not on win 7, havent tried cd
[17:04] <Langjan> dvd
[17:04] <inetpro> try booting from Ubuntu dvd
[17:05] <Langjan> ok booting on ubuntu 14.04
[17:05] <Langjan> beautiful!
[17:06] <Kilos> hehe so tempting to say use the whole drive
[17:06] <Langjan> aye
[17:06] <Kilos> lol
[17:06] <Langjan> is there a config that will look like windows available on 14.04?
[17:06] <Kilos> open gparted and see if it sees that 7 partition
[17:07] <Langjan> still loading
[17:07] <Kilos> ok
[17:08] <Langjan> can I configure 14.04 to look similar to win 7?
[17:08] <Kilos> sjoe
[17:08] <Kilos> i dunno
[17:09] <Langjan> otherwise I must just train the old girl, she is gatvol for win anyway
[17:09] <Langjan> she saw me connect her dongle
[17:09] <Langjan> like magic
[17:09] <Kilos> isnt kde closer to win thatn other stuffs
[17:09] <Kilos> haha
[17:10] <gremble> Mint might be even closer
[17:11] <Kilos> Langjan  i find it easier to convert peeps to what i use then you have the advantage of being familiar with it at least
[17:11] <Kilos> but you too stubborn to use kde
[17:11] <Langjan> its asking if this is is a gpt partition table 
[17:11]  * Kilos hides
[17:11] <Langjan> hardegat is die woord
[17:11] <Kilos> did we try yes last time
[17:11] <Kilos> lol
[17:11] <Kilos> we tried no i think
[17:12] <Langjan> does not see the partition
[17:12] <inetpro> KDE vs. Windows 7 http://www.datamation.com/open-source/kde-vs.-windows-7-1.html
[17:12] <gremble> if you want to dualboot, it is MBR (windows uses it as far as I recall)
[17:12] <Langjan> shows the full drive unallocated
[17:12] <Kilos> eish back again
[17:12] <Langjan> yip
[17:13] <Kilos> tyupe in dash
[17:13] <Kilos> disk utility
[17:14] <Kilos> i think it has a repair thing in it as well
[17:15] <Kilos> filesystem repair or something
[17:16] <Langjan> disk usage analyzer?
[17:17] <Kilos> nope
[17:17] <Kilos> is that all you see
[17:17] <Kilos> do you have a 12.04 cd
[17:17] <Langjan> also startup sdisk creator
[17:17] <Kilos> nope
[17:18] <Kilos> maybe disk utility only comes after upgrading
[17:18] <Langjan> and disks shows hd and 981 MB loop device
[17:18] <Kilos> 12.04 has it in the cd i think
[17:18] <Kilos> tick on hd
[17:19] <Kilos> does it give info on the right
[17:19] <Langjan> it gives 3 partitions
[17:19] <Kilos> i think utility changed to disks yes
[17:19] <Kilos> there you go
[17:19] <Kilos> we getting there
[17:20] <Kilos> name them
[17:20] <Langjan> 1 is 105MB, 2 is ntfs, 3 is 1.4 MB free space
[17:20] <Kilos> one will be 100mB
[17:21] <Kilos> ok 105 thats where 7 stores it info
[17:21] <Kilos> the ntfs will be the big drive
[17:21] <Kilos> i dont remember id disks has a resize option
[17:22] <Kilos> if
[17:22] <Langjan> the 100MB is hpfs/ntfs and ntfs not mounted
[17:22] <Kilos> yes thats 7 boot info i think
[17:22] <inetpro> the easiest would be to simply install Ubuntu and forget about all your windows problems, but
[17:22] <inetpro> if you want to fix your windows problems you might want to look at The Windows 7 Boot Process (sbsl) http://social.technet.microsoft.com/wiki/contents/articles/11341.the-windows-7-boot-process-sbsl.aspx
[17:22] <Kilos> look at 2
[17:22] <Langjan> let me speak to granny about the options and convince her to go for Linux 
[17:22] <Kilos> lol
[17:23] <Kilos> must easier to erase and use whole drive
[17:23] <inetpro> good luck with your troubleshooting
[17:23] <Langjan> thks inetpro 
[17:23]  * inetpro wbbl
[17:23] <Kilos> ty inetpro 
[17:24] <Langjan> tks all, will report back next exciting chapter, don't miss it!
[17:24] <Kilos> lol
[17:25] <Kilos> go well sir
[17:25] <Langjan> you also Kilos  thks
[17:25] <Langjan> en baie dankie vir al jou tyd en geduld
[17:25] <Kilos> 7 can be fixed but only with dvd
[17:25] <Kilos> ai!
[17:59] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[18:20] <Langjan> Question please kil
[18:21] <Langjan> kil
[18:21] <Langjan> kilos
[18:23] <Langjan> inetpro, question please
[18:23] <inetpro> ?
[18:24] <Langjan> If win 7 takes up about 50GB in a 320GB drive, where is it likely to be - neat the start, end, or somewhere in the middle?  
[18:25] <inetpro> hmm... does it matter?
[18:25] <Langjan> I/m hoping that if I partition away from it, I may be able to access some of the data via Ubuntu
[18:26] <inetpro> ai!
[18:26] <gremble> I think he is trying to preserve his windows partition? However, if you rewrite the partition table, the win partition is gone and that data is lost unless you get some pretty advanced data recovery assistence
[18:26] <Langjan> OK thks, not serious, I have backed up what is needed, except perhaps browser settings
[18:27] <inetpro> Langjan: if you want to keep the partition then I would recommend shrinking it
[18:27] <Langjan> ok, makes sense
[18:28] <inetpro> gparted can do it
[18:28] <Langjan> worth a try
[18:29] <inetpro> there's even a gparted live cd 
[18:29] <inetpro> http://gparted.org/livecd.php
[18:29] <Langjan> ok many thanks, looks handy. Have a good evening
[18:30] <inetpro> try that, it should show the ntfs partition
[18:31] <inetpro> I think the Ubuntu live cd may not have all the necesary file system info built in
[18:32] <inetpro> also see: http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-vista/using-gparted-to-resize-your-windows-vista-partition/
[18:38] <inetpro> oh and maybe take note of http://superuser.com/questions/821131/is-it-safe-to-resize-windows-partition-with-gparted
[19:18] <inetpro> superfly: are you at debconf15 this week?
[19:20] <inetpro> oom Langjan, are you getting there?
[19:26] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee on
[19:26]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[19:26] <inetpro> gremble: a hot cup of coffee? ^^
[19:30] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for inetpro!
[19:30] <inetpro> Maaz: dankie
[19:30] <Maaz> Groot plesier inetpro my vriend
[19:30] <gremble> I just got back with tea and milktart
[19:30] <gremble> :D
[19:33] <gremble> Going to SFD in Gauteng inetpro?
[19:34] <inetpro> so far yes
[19:34] <inetpro> but time is running way too fast for me
[19:34] <gremble> How so?
[19:35] <inetpro> I take things one day at a time
[19:35] <inetpro> wish we could have organised Ubuntu banners and stuff by now
[19:36] <gremble> That would've been cool
[19:38] <inetpro> I guess there's still time to get stuff but we'll have to start working on it
[19:38] <gremble> Yup. Luckily it is something that should it be done now, it'll be done for at least next year and the year after that as well
[19:40] <inetpro> we just need to keep talking about it, maybe someone knows somebody who can help us to get stuff
[19:41] <gremble> Can't you go ask the main ubuntu-people?
[19:42] <inetpro> having said that, I'm sure superfly is actually the exact right guy to talk to right now
[19:42] <inetpro> surely we have a few guys from cape town at debconf15 in germany right now
[19:44] <inetpro> and official Ubuntu guys should be there as well
[19:46] <gremble> Can we also get merch and stuff from ubuntu/FSF? :o
[19:47] <inetpro> would you buy it?
[19:47] <gremble> I would. I am broke as f, but I would none the less haha
[19:49] <inetpro> maybe we should print some stickers?
[19:49] <inetpro> http://www.fsf.org/resources/stickers
[19:51] <inetpro> oh gremble, did you enjoy the milktart?
[19:51] <gremble> I've had better. It was a picknpay one.
[19:51] <gremble> But it hit the spot
[19:51]  * inetpro getting all hungry again :-)
[19:55] <gremble> Make some milkfood
[19:59] <superfly> tumbleweed and a few others are at DebConf15, yes.
[20:08] <inetpro> superfly: can't you talk to somebody for us please? :-)
[20:08] <superfly> sorry, about what? banners and things?
[20:09] <superfly> I'm not at DebConf15
[20:09] <inetpro> banners, cd's, or any other handouts
[20:10] <inetpro> I mean you are our Team Contact after all ;-)
[20:11] <inetpro> I was thinking, with our postal services these things will never arrive in time for our FSD in September 
[20:11] <gremble> Is anyone here good with electronics? I can ask the CompSci department if we can have their freedom toaster
[20:12] <gremble> But it is broken
[20:12] <inetpro> gremble: what is wrong with it?
[20:12] <gremble> I have no idea
[20:13] <gremble> It ran out of work
[20:17] <inetpro> gremble: sounds like a nice collectable item, if only you could get it to work again
[20:21] <gremble> If only we could get it
[20:22] <gremble> I remember that we tried to get it in 2013 and they were rather reluctant
[20:22] <gremble> I will give them a whistle monday
[20:22] <gremble> Would it be inappropriate to tell them that I am affiliated with this LoCo (just to give my request some more credibility)?
[20:24] <inetpro> I'm sure that'll raise your scores for sure :-)
[20:27] <inetpro> you planning on displaying it at the SFD event?
[20:27] <gremble> Ya, if we can get it, and it's an easy fix, I can bring it along for sure
[20:28] <inetpro> sounds like a cool idea
[20:29] <superfly> gremble: say that you're part of the South African Ubuntu Team
[20:29] <superfly> inetpro: I have no more clout than you, I'm afraid
[20:29] <inetpro> ai!
[20:30] <gremble> Then I will
[20:31]  * inetpro wonders what processes maia followed 
[20:37] <inetpro> superfly: are you subsribed to the loco-contacts mailing list?
[20:37] <inetpro> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/loco-contacts
[20:40] <gremble> It seems like that is the kind of stuff we have to get ourselves
[20:41] <inetpro> see for instance: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/loco-contacts/2012-April/005806.html
[20:42] <inetpro> I know things have changed since then but I think the loco-contacts mailing list is probably the first point to ask
[20:43] <superfly> inetpro: I am
[20:44] <superfly> I'll keep an eye out for the mail
[20:44] <inetpro> and I know there's always been the general rule "...only a Loco team administrator can request.."
[23:16] <tumbleweed> indeed. o/ superfly
[23:20] <kulelu88> superfly: do you have a dockerfile for scipy/python data-stack?
[23:57] <gremble> Hey kulelu88