[01:31] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[01:34] <daftykins> o/
[01:34] <daftykins> how are you lotuspsychje ?
[01:35] <lotuspsychje> hey daftykins
[01:35] <lotuspsychje> all ok here mate, have been moving to another house and internet works again now
[01:40] <daftykins> huzzah!
[01:40] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: I had noticed the absense . New house, move'n on up ?
[01:40] <lotuspsychje> hey Bashing-om
[01:40] <daftykins> i shall await my housewarming invite with glee
[01:40] <daftykins> :>
[01:41] <lotuspsychje> yep its a temp house solution rental, until we buy new house
[01:43] <OerHeks> hi lotus
[01:44] <lotuspsychje> hello OerHeks :p
[05:48] <ObrienDave> are the loony toons out in force tonight? ;P
[06:05] <ObrienDave> oops, asked that a BIT early ;P
[06:08] <wileee> heh, you've been schooled
[06:09] <wileee> grade schooled  "rim shot here'
[07:10] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:24] <tintedwindows> anybody know of an alternative linux software for cheat engine
[14:04] <ubuntuser24> How many of you still use an Ubuntu version older than 14.04?
[14:09] <lordievader> Not here, Kubuntu doesn't want a lot of testing done for precise.
[14:11] <ubuntuser24> I never said anything about Kubuntu
[14:12] <ubuntuser24> And is precise pangolin 9.04, or 9.10?
[14:13] <lordievader> ubuntuser24: I know, but I am a Kubuntu tester. The only reason I might still have Precise (12.04) is to test stuff on there.
[14:14] <ubuntuser24> But if Kubuntu is Ubuntu with the KDE desktop, why is Kubuntu's version number for Precise pangolin different than Ubuntu's?
[14:16] <lordievader> It isn't.
[14:16] <lordievader> Precise = 12.04
[14:16] <Oer> lordievader +1
[14:17] <lordievader> Oer: No longer a witch?
[14:17] <Oer> yeah just noticed, brb
[14:17] <ubuntuser24> Are more of you using Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Xubuntu 15.04 than anything else?
[14:18] <OerHeks> :-)
[14:18] <ubuntuser24> I mean anything older than Vivid Vervet
[14:18] <lordievader> I got 14.04, 15.04 and 15.10 installed on my test box. 15.10 is most used.
[14:19] <lordievader> But then again, I ain't your typical Ubuntu user ;)
[14:19] <ubuntuser24> So nobody uses 11.10, 11.04, 10.10, or 10.04 anymore?
[14:19] <OerHeks> Nope, those are EOL, end of life
[14:20] <lordievader> ^ that.
[14:20] <OerHeks> no updates, no security fixes. and the servers are offline.
[14:21] <TJ-> what servers are offline?
[14:21] <ubuntuser24> No wonder you guys most likely don't use those releases anymore
[14:22] <ubuntuser24> He means the package servers
[14:22] <TJ-> They most certainly are not!
[14:23] <ubuntuser24> No, the packages for 11.10 and older are unsupported
[14:23] <TJ-> Everything back to Warty (4.10) is still online
[14:23] <OerHeks> There is however one server running, for special purposes, you need to do some tricks to get that running > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades#Upgrading
[14:23] <ubuntuser24> You are correct, but those are certainly not supported
[14:24] <ubuntuser24> Pretty soon, those really old packages should be purged from archive.ubuntu.com
[14:25] <OerHeks> why? it is fun, crawling trough openoffice 2.2 and such
[14:25] <ubuntuser24> And what is that server, I suppose?
[14:25] <TJ-> I have several older release images running, and it's just a case of a 'sed' against sources.list to insert old-releases
[14:26] <ubuntuser24> OK then, you might find unstable releases in there so be careful
[14:26] <ubuntuser24> I would think eventually, the old releases would get purged
[14:26] <lordievader> I'm sure TJ- knows what he is doing ;)
[14:26] <TJ-> :P
[14:26] <ubuntuser24> Does archive.ubuntu.com ever go down for maintainence?
[14:27] <TJ-> ubuntuser24: It's a cluster so shouldn't do
[14:28] <ubuntuser24> Hey guys, look. The same person from ##networking is in here too, awesome :)
[14:29] <ubuntuser24> Why is it fun crawling through old packages?
[14:29] <TJ-> oh, it's firmwarefun24
[14:30] <ubuntuser24> And I just mean the packages for anything older than 9.04 should be purged, because nobody uses 9.04 or below anymore :(
[14:31] <lordievader> ubuntuser24: Heh, you'd be surprised...
[14:31] <ubuntuser24> Those lazy people should at least upgrade to 12.04....
[14:31] <lordievader> And what if that ain't possible?
[14:32] <ubuntuser24> Then they will switch to Macs, if they had the money
[14:33] <lordievader> ubuntuser24: We have a server with 8.04 running. And because we don't want to break it we cannot upgrade it. (We are working for a replacement though)
[14:34] <ubuntuser24> Upgrade to Ubuntu Server 15.04
[14:35] <lordievader> Like I said, not possible ;)
[14:36] <ubuntuser24> Until you guys get enough money for new hardware
[14:36] <lordievader> No, until the replacement is ready (which should be soon), but until that time...
[14:37] <ubuntuser24> How long have a guys had that server?
[14:38] <ubuntuser24> * you guys
[14:38] <lordievader> Let's not talk about that... :P
[14:39] <ubuntuser24> When did Ubuntu 8.04 come out?
[14:40] <lordievader> 2008-04 ;) name says it.
[14:41] <ubuntuser24> Then he must of had that server for 8 years, wow :)
[14:43] <lordievader> It is a vm actually.
[14:44] <ubuntuser24> You mean in Microsoft's Hyper-V, or virtualbox?
[14:44] <ubuntuser24> And why would you be working for a replacement?
[14:45] <ubuntuser24> A VM is a file, not a real computer
[14:45] <ubuntuser24> Unless you are running one of those screen sharing programs or something
[14:45] <lordievader> I think it is an lxc container, but I'm not sure might also be a kvm vm.
[14:46] <lordievader> A vm is a virtual machine, not a file.
[14:46] <lordievader> Yes, I know everything is a file in Linux ;)
[14:46] <TJ-> a psuedo-file to be exact :)
[14:47] <ubuntuser24> Oh, so you have a Linux server, and are using a KVM switch to control it from a remote location
[14:48] <lordievader> ubuntuser24: KVM can also mean Kernel Virtual Machine, as it does in this instance.
[14:49] <lordievader> ubuntuser24: http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/Main_Page
[14:53] <ubuntuser24> Oh, so it's the Linux version of Microsoft's Hyper-V
[14:59] <firmwarefun24> See TJ, now I changed my username to the one I was using on ##networking
[19:50] <daftykins> 'kadiro' is today's nick i see
[19:50] <OerHeks> happy sunday
[19:52] <daftykins> :D