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infinityslangasek: No, but ubuntu-touch-meta and ubuntu-core-meta are the only metas (because of the whole "sdk libraries" thing) that directly depend on libraries, so it makes them much harder to deal with.01:02
infinityslangasek: Other metas are mostly a non-issue.  You need to keep them installable, but that can be done by transitioning a few of their deps at a time, rather than ALL of them.01:03
xnoxinfinity: can you please new gunicorn?01:09
xnoxhttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/wily/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=gunicorn01:09
xnoxoff to sleep. good night. there is too much things to new.01:14
xnoxok thanks.01:14
dokoxnox, why? https://people.debian.org/~doko/logs/gcc5-20150813/archive-gcc-08-13-2015/gnuradio_3.7.8-1_unstable_gcc5.log you are delaying the transition. we will continue to offload your packages05:42
dokoinfinity, slangasek: all arm64 buildds down. contacted is, but no reply yet06:12
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* Laney screams at gnuradio08:32
cyphermoxLaney: still looking at gnuradio?09:08
* slangasek cleans up octave Breaks: to match the actual Ubuntu versions09:56
slangasekso what's still wrong with gnuradio?09:57
Laneynow needs a transition10:07
slangasekhar, and software-center is rendered uninstallable because debtags in wily-proposed has dropped the python2 support10:07
slangasekLaney: a new one?10:07
slangasekit was already transitioning from 3.7.5 to 3.7.810:08
slangasekah10:08
slangasekxnox: nack on gnuradio 3.7.8-1ubuntu3, this needs reverted10:08
slangasekxnox: for packages that are mixed up in the big transition, it's worth 5 minutes of discussion before upload to save 5 hours of compile time10:12
slangasekxnox: also, to summarize the current status: all first-level libraries that are affected by the ABI change have already been transitioned in wily; so unless you run into a package build failure due to a library in the archive still having old symbols (which will basically mean this library didn't get detected in the Debian rebuild because it FTBFS), there shouldn't be any more transitions needed10:14
slangasekif anyone cares to look at it, pocl has an interesting build failure - rebuild needed for llvm3.5, but build segfaults with a stack trace pointing into llvm3.5 itself10:20
slangasek(not sure why llvm-toolchain-3.5 is still in main in wily, given that mesa has moved to 3.6 - but if mesa's moved I'm not so worried about it that I'll block the 3.5 transition)10:22
slangasekremoving pcl binaries on ppc64el, the source looks incompatible with current eigen310:27
slangasekso I can't see any reason that the autohinter is including debtags in the hint, considering nothing in update_excuses depends on it and it makes stuff uninstallable.  It may be a mis-hint that the autohinter will figure out when we get closer, or it may be something that'll require a manual hint to avoid10:36
slangasekbut I am amused that debtags has dropped python2 support before software-center has switched to python310:36
Laneyuwsgi FTBFS in some not immediately obvious how to fix way10:37
Laneylooks like yade needs fixing/removing too10:37
slangasekyade was on my list already, I don't know why it didn't make it to removal10:38
xnoxslangasek: ok.10:38
slangasekLaney: you at the venue?10:38
Laneyyeah10:38
Laneythe smaller talk room10:39
Laneyoh actually, yade dropped of the list for this run10:39
xnoxslangasek: the thing that tripped me up, is that it's still red in boost tracker, yet it clearly has been built against boost 1.58.10:39
* xnox traces.10:39
slangasekxnox: interesting; I would blame the tracker for still getting the wrong answer when there are different binary names between wily and wily-proposed, except gnuradio 3.7.8 did already transition to wily (but has to get rebuilt again and transition again with the group, because uhd)10:41
slangasekxnox: maybe it's NBS binaries?  looking now10:41
slangasekxnox: it is not NBS binaries10:41
slangasekanyway, at a bit of a stopping point so wandering to the debconf venue now10:42
xnoxok10:42
slangasekLaney: ah I remember why I hadn't gotten around to removing yade yet though, it's because it looked suspiciously like a vtk6 bug rather than a yade bug10:43
LaneyI'm hoping it got disentangled10:46
Laneyslangasek: OK to sync new libsidplayfp?10:46
Laneylooks like upstream bumped SONAME10:46
Laney(blocks https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sidplayfp/1.4.0-1/+build/7793291)10:46
* Laney does it10:48
Laneyrebuild plasma-mediacenter12:05
Laney+ing12:06
slangasekLaney: I have no idea :)12:50
LaneyI did it anyway :P12:55
* cyphermox feels audacious13:13
slangasekLaney: right, so the answer is that libsidplay has added new uninstallables to the transition (audacious-plugins) which were otherwise ready to go, so you get to fix that :P14:04
slangasekand for questions of the general form "can I sync new version of $package_included_in_the_big_autohint that introduces a new ABI transition", the answer is "not until the hint finishes" ;)14:06
slangasekRiddell: why does plasma-workspace in wily-proposed conflict against the latest version of kio-extras present in wily-proposed?  plasma-workspace was uploaded 6 days ago, is a new kio-extras coming?14:20
slangasekRiddell: note that this is on the short list of < 6 remaining blocking issues for the main g++5 transition, and as this is a versioned breaks it doesn't look like something we can straightforwardly upload a fix to plasma-workspace for; so if we don't have a new kio-extras in -proposed by the time the hint is ready to go in (which I believe will be EOD today), we will probably need to break kubunt14:23
slangaseku-meta in wily to let the transition through14:23
slangasekLaney: which library transition entangles uwsgi?  I don't see any uploads of it to wily-proposed14:39
slangasekLaney: (an upload to wily-proposed would let us all look at the same build failure)14:39
slangasekok, libgloox14:40
slangasek(uploading)14:40
slangasekright, uwsgi build failure reproduced in the archive now; someone who likes both ruby and GNU make can debug that one14:46
slangasekmeanwhile, package removed from wily14:46
slangasekthe next p-m run should start to look interesting14:47
slangasekLaney: I've assumed that you are going to do the no-change rebuilds for new libsidplayfp (now that it's past new).  If not please let me know14:47
slangasekok, the debtags problem reveals itself - the old version is in C and depends on libept, the new version drops python2 support14:52
Laneyslangasek: It blocked some other package, and the transition was small - yes, will rebuild14:59
Laneyty14:59
cyphermoxanyone already looking at wusgi15:25
Laneyno I am15:25
* Laney watches him get up and walk out15:26
* Laney creepy15:26
cyphermoxLaney: ?15:26
LaneyBuilding uwsgi now15:27
LaneyOnly a crappy fix though, if it works15:27
cyphermoxok15:27
Laneybut we have multiple supported ruby versions which it seems breaks this15:27
cyphermoxdoesn't seem to be much else left15:27
Laneydebtags15:28
LaneyAFAICS15:28
Laney(remove that from proposed?)15:28
slangasekdebtags needs a fix; I just talked to enrico had he told me mvo has some insight on this15:34
slangaseks/had/and/15:35
LaneyThe version in wily-release too?15:35
slangasekyes, per above old debtags depends on libept which is an affected C++ lib15:36
slangasekand oh btw I think the hint just succeeded15:36
slangasekoops15:36
slangasekoops because whatever uninstallables someone had left in wily that are now resolved were uninteresting leaf packages, and they've been swapped for um ubuntu-desktop and friends15:37
slangasekso I hope this upgrade I've just started succeeds before the mirrors update?15:37
LaneyI mean that we can reupload a buildX of the last version which had python-debtagshw15:38
LaneyIf that helps15:38
Laneydon't see that it worked..?15:38
Laney    * amd64: audacious, audacious-dbg, audacious-plugins, audacious-plugins-dbg, audtty, autoradio, debtags, goplay, kubuntu-desktop, kubuntu-full, lubuntu-desktop, packagesearch, qmmp-plugin-projectm, remuco-audacious, wmauda15:38
Laneysometimes bits get nibbled off though15:39
slangasekLaney: oh, I see - right it didn't succeed at all it was an invalid hint because someone changed the version of qtdeclarative-opensource-src!15:41
slangasekwell I guess I can drop my hint now anyway in favor of the autohint now that we know what's up with debtags15:42
slangasekchanged the version of> or possibly that bit got in, as you say15:44
Laneylibsidplayfp has NBS in wily-proposed to clean up16:07
slangasekdebtags uploaded16:11
Laneyshould be it AFAICS16:11
Laneyplease to delete libsidplayfp3v516:11
slangasekLaney: done16:12
slangasekkubuntu-desktop will still be uninstallable, because of the kio-extras issue16:12
slangasekwhat are these new mozc uninstallables in the latest run?16:13
Laneynew upload, needs to clear excuses16:15
slangasekuim-mozc was NBS in wily-proposed, also removed now16:17
slangasekif nothing else changes, I guess the next run will be it aside from forcing kubuntu-desktop16:18
Laneywhere is this kio-extras 4:5.3.2+git20150710.0210?16:26
ianorlinThe lubuntu desktop live build failed19:22
cyphermoxianorlin: I can check, maybe there is something I can do19:37
ianorlinit looked to fail build the livefs19:38
cjwatsonwe're mid g++ 5 transition, lots of stuff is failing across the board, not just lubuntu19:39
cjwatsonin this case the specific failure is19:39
cjwatson blueman : Depends: bluez (>= 4.61) but it is not going to be installed19:39
cjwatson bluez-alsa : Depends: bluez but it is not going to be installed19:39
cjwatsonbut it's probably just uncoinstallable for real at the moment ...19:39
cyphermoxwell, these should have been to -release already19:40
cyphermoxoh19:40
cjwatsonyeah but that probably means that something else in the install set depends on non-v5 libraries19:40
infinitybluez-alsa is dead.19:48
infinityI removed it from seeds, but it needs meta updates.19:48
infinitySomeone needs to upload all the metas that include it.19:48
infinityWhich is all the desktops except mate, cause I fixed theirs.19:48
infinityI can do that.19:48
infinityNot sure about the blueman->bluez thing, though.19:49
cyphermoxlubuntu-core19:49
infinityOh, that'll be the same failure.19:49
infinityBecause bluez C/R bluez-alsa.19:49
cyphermoxyes19:50
infinitySo rebuilding all the metas will fix that.19:50
infinityI'll grab 'em all and upload.19:50
cyphermoxok19:50
* cyphermox is still too slow at this debugging race19:50
ianorlinah ok I grabbed an alternate and it is almost done installing19:51
infinitycyphermox: Thanks for adding the C/R, BTW.19:51
cyphermoxinfinity: yeah, apparently I'm sure I did it with that previous upload, but someone it didn't get through19:51
cyphermox*somehow19:52
infinityHeh.19:52
infinityEditors are fickle.19:52
cyphermoxnot that much :)19:52
cyphermoxI see some stuff appeared in that update_output of doom.19:53
infinitycjwatson: Does germinate respect apt's proxy configs?19:53
* infinity guesses no.19:53
infinityWould make these updates a tad faster.19:53
* infinity notes that a number of these haven't been updated since vivid...19:58
infinityAnd mythbuntu, not since utopic.  Awesome.19:58
infinityOh well, I needed something to do while waiting on laundry before my flight.19:59
ari-tczewcyphermox: we are not so far to FeatureFreeze, what about Network Manager 1.0 in wily?20:17
cjwatsoninfinity: It uses Python's urllib.request - should respect the proxy environment variables, but not apt's config20:25
infinitycjwatson: I probably live in a fantasy world, but I'm of the opinion that anything downloading from Debian archives should respect the system apt proxy configs.20:30
infinitycjwatson: (I know, I know, patches welcome)20:30
cjwatsonIt's probably not hopelessly difficult with python-apt.20:35
cjwatsonI don't immediately have time though20:36
infinitycjwatson: I was just going to parse `apt-config dump`, but switching from urllib to python-apt might be a better long-term thing, dunno.20:38
cyphermoxari-tczew: NM is no longer my primary responsibility, so it's up to free time. thanks for reminding me, I'll get at least the git migration started right now20:42
ari-tczewcyphermox: so who is the next one?20:44
cyphermoxari-tczew: unknown, possibly "awe_", or you, if you're interested20:44
cyphermoxI'd think I would do 1.x and leave the package in a nice enough state for somebody else to take over20:45
cyphermox(although the 1.x release shouldn't be very hard to do)20:45
ari-tczewcyphermox: would be nice, but I think I haven't enough knowledge20:45
dokowhere are you all now? youth hostel, or the hotel?20:46
cyphermoxdoko: I thought you had left already, I'm back to my room20:46
cjwatsoninfinity: Doesn't need to switch to python-apt for the retrieval, just use apt.Config20:46
cyphermoxI have no idea where the others are20:46
cjwatsonor whatever it is20:46
cyphermoxari-tczew: knowledge comes from experience, we all start with relatively 0 knowledge about package *p20:49
ari-tczewcyphermox: you're right20:50
cyphermoxari-tczew: maybe we should move this to #u-devel20:51
dokocyphermox, mvo, Laney, and me are at the hotel bar20:51
cyphermoxah!20:51
ari-tczewcyphermox: +120:51
cyphermoxwell, I guess I'll have to pass for tonight :)20:52
infinityAlright, metas all uploaded, now to finish packing and call a cab...20:52
dokocjwatson, infinity: anything to look at for the big migration?20:53
cjwatsondoko: I've been away for a week, I know nothing20:57
cyphermoxdoko: update-output-helper, unblock the megablob?21:00
cyphermoxdoko: that's the last info I had21:00
cyphermoxthere isn't much left there21:01

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